Nirvana: ENOUGH already!

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For lack of anything better to read over a sincerely dubious plate of scrambled eggs this morning, I picked up the latest (i think) issue of NME at my local newsstand, featuring still-quite-dead Kurt Cobain on the cover. Vainly hoping to see some tiny news nugget about "Killing Joke back in the studio with a new lease on life after death" or even something about a genuinely *NEW* band that might pique my curiosity, I was instead inundated with page after page after page of "the legacy of Nirvana" and whatnot. Witness this completely idiotic quote from Alex White of some band called The Electric Soft Parade:

"Kurt Cobain was the king of teenage angst, and when he committed
suicide, he was instantly a legend. His death added to the romance and
mystique of his lifestyle. He's up there now having a jam with Morrison and Hendrix, with Keith Moon on drums!"


Now, for a start, I've never heard of the Electric Soft Parade (but I can tell already they're not big on originality based on their name), so maybe I should know better, but c'mon......"the romance and mystique of his lifestyle"?!?!?!?!? He was a loser from Aberdeen, Washington who wore flannel, did smack, bitched about stomach pains and played in a garage band that basically appropriated the work of several other bands.....WHERE'S THE ROMANCE & MYSTIQUE IN THAT? And don't even get me started on that claptrap about "jamming with Morrison, Hendrix and Moon"....what a load of shit. Fuckin' graveside groupies!

Moreover, for all this talk about how the two other thirds of Nirvana were battling with Courtney about "cashing-in" and "exploitation" and "properly serving Kurt's memory," between the media blitz over the
frankly-not-wildy-impressive "new" track ("You Know You're Right," appended to a best-of that contains no other surprises but tracks that even passive fans probably already have a couple of times over) and the glossily published tome of Kurt's diaries (and.....really.....what the fuck is that about? Do you really think the sad little man himself would have wanted that shit published?) I'm left with just a sickening aftertaste of hypocrisy and opportunism.

The only justice will be if the album (let alone the forthcoming box set) fails to chart as spectacularly as expected and slidesjustifiably into for-fans-only obscurity.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 15 November 2002 18:28 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

what's your question? (you're kidding about the killing joke, right?)

dan (dan), Friday, 15 November 2002 18:36 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I'm sure the shy Mr. Kobain would be mortified at the release of his diaries. And I doubt he'd want to jam with flashy rock stars either, but who knows. Anyway, I don't think the Nirvana catalog has been milked in a spectacularly tasteless or overdone way; really, I'm actually surprised at DGC's restraint. That quote you read in the NME was stupid, Alex, but you shouldn't let it spoil your breakfast.

Sean (Sean), Friday, 15 November 2002 18:38 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

er, Cobain with a "C", Kurt with a "K"...

Sean (Sean), Friday, 15 November 2002 18:38 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

you're kidding about the killing joke, right?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 15 November 2002 18:39 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Way back when Nirvana first hit, I totally ignored them. The more hype I heard, the more I tuned out. By about last year I was convinced they were the most overrated band in history.

Finally, the new single came out, they started playing live footage of Nirvana, etc, etc. And I have come to realize, of all the grunge bands who "hit it big," they were probably the best. Granted, sometimes their distortion out-breaks were too much "GOD WE WANT TO BE SONIC YOUTH", but they had their merits and were a great pop band.

Also, "mystique", weren't they invented to be the anti-mystique?

David Allen, Friday, 15 November 2002 18:43 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"He's up there now having a jam with Morrison and Hendrix, with Keith Moon on drums!"

When Cobain killed himself the NME published a fan's tribute almost exactly like this and verbally ripped it to shreds.

Gen (Gen), Friday, 15 November 2002 18:57 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

especially since what the hell do they think Morrison would be DOING in said "jam"? reciting his goddam poetry? playing the musical zipper?

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 15 November 2002 19:01 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Whipping out his ghost dong!

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Friday, 15 November 2002 19:18 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Andtrying on various leather pants. Which gives the better whipping out action.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 15 November 2002 19:31 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Hendrix isn't playing with them. He's playing air hockey with Ben Franklin. Getting his ass kicked too.

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 15 November 2002 19:46 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Wasn't "Ghost Dong" a Jim Jarmusch movie?

TMFTML (TMFTML), Friday, 15 November 2002 19:47 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Kurt Cobain's gone to hell because he committed suicide, though. Don't these fuxxors know anything about theology?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 15 November 2002 19:49 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

He's jamming with Rudolph Hess, Ghengis Khan, and Lucky Luciano.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 15 November 2002 19:50 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Wonderful OTM intro essay, Alex.

I'd peek into Jaz Coleman's diaries any day over those from the Seattle crown prince of frat rock.

Count me in with the crowd of people who think Nirvana were just an average band. Maybe slightly above average, but who's counting?

Tim D, Friday, 15 November 2002 20:24 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

calum to thread!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 15 November 2002 20:25 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

''what's your question? (you're kidding about the killing joke, right?)''

the frightening is that he isn't. its quite funny when DJ martian rants abt NME and then says that there's no news abt the new killing joke. you know, a whole rant abt them not coverring new music and then he spoils it by talking abt killing joke.

actually those two should get married. i think that would be appropriate.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 15 November 2002 20:29 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Well, for what it's worth, Julio, Killing Joke *DO* have a *NEW* album about to come out (slated February `03), produced by Andy Gill. So it wasn't that unrealistic a hope to spot some semblance of a Joke reference in a new music periodical. But, it's true -- NME have a long-standing fatwa against all things Killing Joke, possibly due to some incident involving a valentine's box filled with maggots and a cow's heart being dumped on a journalist's desk at one point.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 15 November 2002 20:46 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

that woz Melody Maker, Alex.

the facts, Julio:

It woz me that alerted Alex to ILM last year.

first website to report the name of Killing Joke's new album and full tracklisting - my weblog. Tuesday 5th November - breaking news relayed from The Gathering Killing Joke mailing list. Still no news from the NME, they ignore bands such as The Chameleons and Killing Joke.

slagging off of no mark NME approved trad britpoppers Electric Soft Parade - earlier this year - my weblog.

Nirvana are an average band - I have always acknowledged this year, and again stated this last week on my weblog.

providing Info on (reissue) and new albums released this year by Derek Bailey, and many other improvised/avant garde types e.g Tony Conrad, Sun Ra, Iannis Xenakis - i.e rated by Julio - read my weblog !

...the only place on the web to cover all these things,

DJ Martian's Page essential music info on the web in one place.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 15 November 2002 21:08 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

that was a joke BTW (only because I've recently read the killing joke thread otherwise I didn't know that you (martian) thought they were 'the most improtant band for 20 years' or what not).

The thing is if Killing joke had packed it in and NME did a special on them you two wouldn't be complaining, I reckon.

''...the only place on the web to cover all these things''

all these 'weird' and 'wonderful' things eh martian. its all good.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 15 November 2002 21:28 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Julio, but why don't you read my weblog anymore? As you indicated the other day. It's not just new music - I provide info on reissues as well.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 15 November 2002 21:40 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Julio, NME is more of a music now magazine - except for their big historical approved bands that they cover in a retro style.

I hope that Uncut - would do a Killing Joke special - e.g a front cover to tie in with the new album and retro feature, why not? would make a change from the same boring 60s types.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 15 November 2002 21:47 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Martian- sorry, i think it is informative and you provide useful links.

its just that a lot of the music you're into i don't like really (but that's not so important). However, I think there's too much list making and too many anti-NME rants (I did stop reading yr blog a while ago so I don't know if its changed). the thing is yr rants are OTM but for me the NME doesn't exist. its the whole i wish NME were dead tomorrow thing that gets tiresome after a while.

but also i only pick up what i see on the shops here in london. i don't feel the need to keep up with what's happening in music this year etc. I don't think the date on the back of a record is of any importance whatsoever.

so the way i'm thinking abt things has changed.

but also I do put all my internet time on both ILM AND ILE now but anyway keep it up martian. your blog is a fantastic source of info and i might return to it someday.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 15 November 2002 22:02 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

''I hope that Uncut - would do a Killing Joke special - e.g a front cover to tie in with the new album and retro feature, why not? would make a change from the same boring 60s types.''

x starts buying recs in the 80s, rants at mags doing covers on 60s types.

y starts buying recs in the 00s, rants at mags doing covers on 80s types.

and on it goes...

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 15 November 2002 22:07 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Didn't NME and Melody Maker merge a while back, though? Thus, wouldn't any long-standing grudge between Melody Maker and the Joke carry over?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 15 November 2002 22:28 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

No Alex, for about two weeks after the demise of Melody Maker - NME mentioned the MM on the cover - then nowt. Sadly the legacy of MM - has long gone, the NME soon focused on the single brand.

I don't think you can say something that happened back in 1986, would carry over to 2002. The only bloke at the NME now that would remember the incident would be Steve "I made a career out of music journalism" Sutherland. Sutherland is now the editorial director of the NME.

Killing Joke have never been a NME approved band.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 15 November 2002 22:42 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Julio, some sidetracked thoughts

Generation Y - don't read Uncut ! they more likely to read Kerrang and/or NME.

Anyway - when Q was launched in 1986 it covered the boring 60s stuff, then Mojo was launched early 90s - and covered more retro stuff than Q - and still in 2002 - Mojo covers the same 60s stuff again and again. Uncut has been boring of late re front covers choice in 2001 and 2002, too many of the same names recycled again and again.

Killing Joke for front cover of Uncut.

Blog in 2002 - actually there are less long lists - I have managed info better in 2002 re archives and better presentation of info/ less duplication compared with the blog in 2001/ 2000, also less anti NME rants - only when something particularly annoys me that I mention it, I don't do anti NME rants every week !

As I have said before if NME had some weekly competition that covered music that was closer in scope/coverage to my weblog - then I would not focus on my opposition to the NME, however I don't approve of NME's weekly monopoly position - and their bullshit generated worldview that goes unchallenged elsewhere in print, due to a lack of a weekly competitor. e.g Back in the late 80s I couldn't give a stuff about the NME's agenda - I had Melody Maker ans Sounds each week.

Re my weblog, In 2002 there is more of a focus on providing quality info re forthcoming releases so I/ the readers can explore things further - take from it whatever takes your interest. Sure I don't expect everyone to agree / or find everything of interest re: the scope of music i cover.

The blog is just a starting point (unlike a personal reviews site - that are after consumption oriented), I provide upfront information first..primarily focused on breaking news and forthcoming releases.

Yes I know you don't like the style of my rants, Julio and I can see why - there not rigorous or indepth serious, there often more in a Mr Abusing/ TTT olde Melody Maker styleee. There needs to be balance of coverage, between the serious and lighthearted coverage - something that i enjoyed back in the heyday of Melody Maker.

Re: but also i only pick up what i see on the shops here in london. i don't feel the need to keep up with what's happening in music this year etc. I don't think the date on the back of a record is of any importance whatsoever.

But this year's music 2002 - will be in few years time - music from the near past. By have a better understanding of the now, for me means i continually improve my ongoing personal perception/ appreciation/ enjoyment/ understanding of music. Music is constantly evolving.

Julio, surely we all live in the NOW - you can still mix the past and the present. Anyway if your approach works for you, then all the best. But I still can't see why the enforced disinterest in music of the NOW i.e this year?

Re: but also I do put all my internet time on both ILM AND ILE now but anyway keep it up martian. your blog is a fantastic source of info and i might return to it someday.

Julio, go on try to allocate some time each day. Also one weekend catch up with 2002 in the monthly Archives.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 15 November 2002 23:46 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

more david sylvian, please....

bahtology, Saturday, 16 November 2002 13:07 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

u may b sick of nirvana, understandably, but jst cos people have died is no reason to forget them and not still love their music. and by the way, jimi hendrix is god, so he's up there teachin the angels what it's like to live.

cathii (cathii), Saturday, 16 November 2002 16:03 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Sorry, but you're an idiot.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 16 November 2002 17:48 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

stick it the 16 yr old girls big man!!

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 16 November 2002 17:53 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Smallness of years does not excuse idiocy.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 16 November 2002 17:58 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Jimi Hendrix teaching the angels how to live = best post ever.

Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 16 November 2002 18:22 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Just be happy that there was only song to be released. It looks like Cobain will be spared the fate of Tupac who's had every demo he ever did released. Soon they'll just start releasing material with Tupac's name on it L. Ron Hubbard style.

Dave Beckhouse (Dave Beckhouse), Saturday, 16 November 2002 20:06 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

were the eggs runny? sorry if they were runny hun.

kephm, Saturday, 16 November 2002 22:04 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

i think he must be sharing needles with duane goettel.

kephm, Saturday, 16 November 2002 22:07 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Jimi hendrix is teaching angels how to live. I'm 23 years young.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 16 November 2002 22:10 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I can't wait to get to heaven now!!

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 17 November 2002 03:49 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Soon they'll just start releasing material with Tupac's name on it L. Ron Hubbard style.

In anticipation of this I have recorded a new song entitled "My Thugz They Don't Sweat Me." Acoustic guitar, 808 emulator and voice. I eager await releasing it under the Tupac imprimatur.

J0hn Darn13ll3 (J0hn Darn13ll3), Sunday, 17 November 2002 19:36 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

sixteen years pass...

D Growl so technically proficient and exact like a robot. Like every fill on “in bloom” is exactly the same as every other. Where’s the swing, where’s the improvisation? Ultimately boring

calstars, Monday, 7 January 2019 20:36 (two months ago) Permalink

Hot take!

kornrulez6969, Monday, 7 January 2019 20:45 (two months ago) Permalink

revive of the century

macropuente (map), Monday, 7 January 2019 21:01 (two months ago) Permalink

Imagine if in 1994 Cobain stayed in rehab and Grohl choked to death on a microwave burrito.

Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 7 January 2019 21:05 (two months ago) Permalink

Grohl could hold his own in improvisations though, especially 'Gallons of Rubbing Alcohol...' and 'The Other Improv'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44uSksPOHtg

flappy bird, Monday, 7 January 2019 21:09 (two months ago) Permalink

as far as being a more adventurous player, from what I've read Grohl was on his toes the entire time he was in the band, expecting to be fired eventually given their history with drummers. Kurt is pretty testy with him in Unplugged.

flappy bird, Monday, 7 January 2019 21:10 (two months ago) Permalink

On a Lou Reed scale of 1 to 10..

How testy was Kurt to Dave?

Mark G, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 08:31 (two months ago) Permalink

sixteen years pass...

Ouch.

Or, put it another way (and since this thread mentions the Chameleons), around the era of this thread ILM had got all Chameleonsed out and I read somewhere on here about how there was this old forgotten classic "Strange Times", seemed like p. much ancient history really but it was new to me. That record was 16 years old at the time, which was 16 years ago now...

a passing spacecadet, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 10:57 (two months ago) Permalink

The craziest Grohl Machine story I saw was the QOTSA recording of "No One Knows." I just Grohl played it first on maybe drum pads and live cymbals then again the exact same way with real drums and no cymbals, and then they blended the takes? Let me look it up. Hard to do, for sure, especially since the track is pretty busy.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 12:33 (two months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nncw_T6MKg8

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 12:43 (two months ago) Permalink

D Growl so technically proficient and exact like a robot. Like every fill on “in bloom” is exactly the same as every other. Where’s the swing, where’s the improvisation? Ultimately boring

― calstars, Monday, January 7, 2019 12:36 PM (yesterday)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmtbsFW0tCw

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:05 (two months ago) Permalink

Cheers, but reading some of the stuff I scribbled here over the years is sobering with a severity no "Dry January" could ever hope to touch.

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 10 January 2019 22:32 (two months ago) Permalink

Don't look back, you can never look back.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 10 January 2019 22:56 (two months ago) Permalink

He's an Artist..

Mark G, Friday, 11 January 2019 16:29 (two months ago) Permalink

I found the About a Son documentary to be lovely and compelling though also inevitably kind of sad.

o. nate, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 01:14 (two months ago) Permalink

My favorite example is probably Lithium--the first half of the chord progression is fairly common (D F#m Bm G), but the second half of the progression seems to modulate with every chord change (Bb C A C). Someone with more theory expertise can explain exactly what's going on, but that kind of progression is more common in, say, show tunes than rock music. It's surprisingly jaunty when you play it on the piano.

This is a good example. Bb works as bVI, which is a common chromatic substitutition for vi (Bm), borrowed from the parallel minor key; plenty of examples of this in Romantic music, e.g. Schubert's "Du bist die Ruh", m. 57. Interesting that it comes soon after the diatonic vi. ("Blackbird" puts them right after each other, btw.) C could suggest mixture from the Mixolydian mode (or maybe borrowing a dominant-functioning chord from the parallel minor key) but it's interesting that they use it before and after the diatonic A chord (V), which, of course, contains a C#, so the chromaticism is clear. Chris McDonald's "Exploring Modal Subversions in Alternative Music" (Popular Music, Vol. 9, No. 3 (Oct 2000), pp. 355-363) is pretty good on this broader subject. I could pass on a copy if anyone's interested in it and can't get their hands on one.

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 02:43 (two months ago) Permalink

I think the glammiest, poppiest end of hair metal was already basically dead by 1990-91. It was probably bands like GNR and Metallica as much as anyone who drove the stake into its poodle-coiffed, coke-engorged heart. After that, even hair metal had to be a bit harder or smarter. Skid Row came across as darker and edgier than the glam bands of a few years earlier. This was also the era of progressive and technical hair metal like Queensryche, Tesla, Extreme, Winger, etc. Sure they had long hair, but these guys were serious musicians, man. It was kind of a late-mannerist phase, at least in retrospect. When Nirvana came along, it wasn't thirst for "authenticity" so much as for the hooks and hummable melodies that had slowly drained out of the increasingly grown-up pop metal scene.

― o. nate, Tuesday, January 8, 2019 9:32 PM (six days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Also 'alternative metal' stuff like Living Colour, Faith No More, and King's X was getting played on the rock stations I listened to at 10-11 in 89-90. Even at that age, I could tell that 'hair metal' had run its course by 1990; it wasn't even necessarily that shocking that the next thing in rock might become something more like the 'alternative' music MuchMusic was playing on CityLimits. I wouldn't have suspected how big it would be, though. It was still spine-tingling to hear "Teen Spirit" for the first time.

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 02:56 (two months ago) Permalink

I know it's slowed down a full step on the record, but isn't the chord progression of Lithium (as played live / on a guitar)

Em Ab Db A C D B D

flappy bird, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 03:41 (two months ago) Permalink

that's the same progression a step higher

zwei dunkel jungen (crüt), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 03:46 (two months ago) Permalink

except it should be E Abm Dbm

zwei dunkel jungen (crüt), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 03:47 (two months ago) Permalink

Yeah, the intervals are the same.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 03:49 (two months ago) Permalink

i guess it's all power chords so in terms of what you play major/minor doesn't matter

zwei dunkel jungen (crüt), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 03:49 (two months ago) Permalink

E-G#m would be v different from Em-G#. I'd be surprised if it were the latter but tbh I was taking voodoo chilli's word. Will go double check right now.xp And power chords would be different too.

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 03:51 (two months ago) Permalink

Tbh, there's probably Nirvana bootlegs where various songs are played in different keys to the album versions. Not on purpose, but because the bands of the bands attitude to tuning.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 03:54 (two months ago) Permalink

Like, I'm quite sure I've seen footage where the guitar has gone out of tune, and Kurt is trying to tune to Krist, who is probably out of tune himself from thrashing his bass too hard and jumping around, or the other way around. The Nirvana live experience was never a polished affair.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 03:57 (two months ago) Permalink

The way Kurt would fret his power chords would accidentally generate a sus4 sometimes, e.g. the intro to 'Smells Like Teen Spirit'

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 03:59 (two months ago) Permalink

oh wait I mixed up where the Bb was

flappy bird, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 04:00 (two months ago) Permalink

If the chord progression starts on E, which is a "sharp" key rather than a "flat" one, and it's all power chords, then I'd write it: E5 G#5 C#5 A5 C5 D5 B5 D5, and in that progression only the C5 really sticks out to me.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 04:08 (two months ago) Permalink

Reviewed it. Guitar is def playing power chords. The vocal melody does put F#s over the D5, B over the G5, and D over the Bb5, making triadic analyses of those (as I, IV, and bVI) reasonable, as well as a Bb over the first C5, which could give it a 7th chord feel. The vocal melody sticks to diatonic major material over the first, diatonic part of the progression, but you get C natural and Bb over the second half ("today I found my friends").

xps (Wasn't going to comment on the sharp key thing but yeah)

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 04:13 (two months ago) Permalink

Bb over the first C5, which could give it a 7th chord feel.

(As bVII7 is even more common of a dominant substitution in jazz harmony, this could support voodoo chilli's Tin Pan Alley comparison perhaps?)

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 04:15 (two months ago) Permalink

Lol yeah, should be written as A#, but for whatever reason, when I’m playing the piano, my mind always thinks “Bb” when I play that triad. And I always think of the Gb/F# triad as F#.

harvey wall/barrier (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 04:16 (two months ago) Permalink

No, Bb is the correct notation for bVI in D! Reading Ab and Db in the key of D was hurting my head a little, though.

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 04:17 (two months ago) Permalink

Reading Ab and Db in the key of D

*key of E

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 04:17 (two months ago) Permalink

Good to know!

harvey wall/barrier (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 04:19 (two months ago) Permalink

Also I'm listening to Live Through This again, and I'm fairly confident that Kurt had close to fuck all to do with the songwriting on it, contrary to the rumours that were circling for years. The chord progressions don't really display many of his hallmarks, and Courtney's melodic sense is quite distinct from Kurt's. The closest it gets to Nirvana is the riff on 'She Walks on Me' and even then there's something not-quite-Kurt about it.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 04:24 (two months ago) Permalink

those rumors were largely fueled by sexism, there was never any "there" there.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 04:28 (two months ago) Permalink

Guitar magazine was one of the many shitty publications that, while not endorsing the rumors, gave way too much credence to it as a possibility

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 04:29 (two months ago) Permalink

in that progression only the C5 [Bb5 in the recorded D] really sticks out to me.

I might agree if e.g. he were just singing pentatonic or blues material over all of it but the melody (which started out completely diatonic in D) goes B-C#-D-C natural -Bb-Cnatural-A when the chords go G5-Bb5-C5, which does suggest a change, or at least mixture of mode

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 04:30 (two months ago) Permalink

Yeah, I was talking about it more in terms of just looking at that particular series of chords coldly as a sequence off paper/a screen, but yeah, of course any vocal melody is going to add colour, particularly as (like you say) a sung major/minor 3rd over a power chord is going to create a triad. It's the same with the bass, and there's an interesting bass part on 'Lithium' which adds further colour - it's not a "follow the root" bass part.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 04:56 (two months ago) Permalink

Guitar magazine was one of the many shitty publications that, while not endorsing the rumors, gave way too much credence to it as a possibility

― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, January 15, 2019 4:29 AM (twenty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Wait, seriously? In what way? Through musical analysis or just being dicks in general?

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 05:00 (two months ago) Permalink

It was in one of the opening sections of the mag, where they just dumped every bit of industry gossip into a two page spread. They talked about the "Live Through This" rumor, I guess there was a claim that a tape had been unearthed of Kurt playing a demo/guide track for one of the songs, and Guitar was running with it like this was the truth, and hypothesizing that a longer recording of him demoing the entire rest of the album might exist as well.

Of course said 'demo' tape never really existed but Guitar was, as I said, a shitty magazine, so....

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 05:08 (two months ago) Permalink

it smacked of 'aww how cute, this pretty young woman thinks she wrote da whole widdle album all by herself" patronizing bullshit

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 05:09 (two months ago) Permalink

Christ. I mean, there is a recording of Kurt singing a backing vocal on a demo of 'Asking For It' alongside Courtney (I've heard it) but that's not the same thing as "Kurt wrote the song and demoed it" ... I would say Kurt's input on the writing of that song was zero - it sounds nothing like a Kurt song.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 05:20 (two months ago) Permalink

yeah, they were framing it like it was a solo demo, which even then wouldn't have proven anything other than "he thought it was a good song and played it"

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 05:26 (two months ago) Permalink

xpost I don't understand all this music jargon but this guy loves deconstructing songs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMUkMGNX0Uk

that's not my post, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 05:39 (two months ago) Permalink

yeah the Live Through This bs doesn't even withstand the timeline, Courtney wrote Doll Parts & some others before they ever hooked up... agree that her melodic sensibility & her and Eric's guitar playing are pretty distinct from Kurt's. the riff & beginning of verse melody in "She Walks On Me" = "Tourettes"

flappy bird, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 06:20 (two months ago) Permalink

It sounded more like Kurt singing along to a track in his kitchen

Mark G, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 07:38 (two months ago) Permalink

I've got mega-cable where I'm living now, so I usually wrap up my Sunday nights with 120 Minutes on MTV Classic. They played an edit of the '92 VMA "Lithium" last night, and just...damn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9cxMsGFgQ8

The whole thing is something that feels like a lot of rules were quickly created so it won't happen again.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 02:08 (one month ago) Permalink

LOL @ how nervous Dana Carvey looks when he reads that Nirvana is the winner

i stan corrected (morrisp), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 02:17 (one month ago) Permalink

Who's playing "Michael Jackson"? I don't remember any of this...

i stan corrected (morrisp), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 02:19 (one month ago) Permalink

IIRC, it was a professional MJ impersonator they hired.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 02:21 (one month ago) Permalink

tab soren, true professional, doesn't even flinch or get weird about it when 1993's Dumbest Man in Rock acts upon his impulse to immediately 'dip' the lady interviewer interviewing him

this is a guy who - on national television! - tossed his electric bass guitar 20 feet in the air only to have it draw blood when connecting with his face on the way back down

and she just laughs and it off and smiles cause she knows her hair was more perfect than his career will ever be, and she was right

good stuff, and fuck you dad for trying to tell me over dinner last week that 1963-1973 was the objectively "greatest" decade in popular music

del griffith, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 02:23 (one month ago) Permalink

remember joseph goebbels

del griffith, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 02:37 (one month ago) Permalink

that performance of Lithium is the peak of the band imo - at least the rock side

flappy bird, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 03:50 (one month ago) Permalink

What does he sing after "I'm so r---"? "I can't take the salads out"??

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 06:21 (one month ago) Permalink

Casting a vote for this live clip (never got to see them myself, sadly):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zagAeZ5eH94

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 06:26 (one month ago) Permalink

xpost Sund4r: "I can't take a sedative"

alpine static, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 07:54 (one month ago) Permalink

Boyz II Men and Wilson Phillips.

Sam Weller, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 08:42 (one month ago) Permalink

Ah

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 15:05 (one month ago) Permalink

god krist is so annoying

my tweet portal is whack (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 15:32 (one month ago) Permalink

he was the worst in that infamous nardwuar interview too

my tweet portal is whack (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 15:32 (one month ago) Permalink


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