late 80s/early 90s uk streetsoul (bass and breakbeats and r&b vocals)

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through the wonder of Youtube and its recommendations algorithm this is all I seem to ever listen to these days. Everybody knows Soul II Soul and Massive Attack but it was this recent reissue of Bovel's "Check 4 U" that really switched me on to this stuff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qyi2pqXDp30

there's a whole ocean out there of stuff like this: thick house basslines, slowed-down breakbeat grooves, unpolished soul divas with the sweetness of lovers rock reggae. Some of it is cheap and easy to find through the usual channels, some of it seems rare and prohibitively expensive. It's the story of Smith & Mighty and The Wild Bunch, but also all the anonymous and forgotten 12" singles and overpriced Discogs compilations that were bigger in Manchester than in London. This stuff was being released when I was barely a toddler so I have no sense of it as a "scene" or how it figured in club culture but I know that I like a lot of it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhETbyU8wo0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzsrBaRoiL8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgPkq1780vo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWqp3C0hFg0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppKK42zKRo0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVfenMeCTR0

thinking of it as a reaction to US r&b, not so much an imitation but a distinctly British take on styles, and seemingly undergoing a resurgence if you're reading the same articles and listening to the same radio shows as I am

so, this is a thread to post your own recommendations and so forth

boxedjoy, Monday, 15 October 2018 21:49 (five years ago) link

garden of life is GOAT

brimstead, Monday, 15 October 2018 21:54 (five years ago) link

Hard to find 12"s in this genre have been getting reissued a lot lately, which is likely where the chatter / airplay is coming from. Be With records maybe?

brotherlovesdub, Monday, 15 October 2018 22:36 (five years ago) link

This has a big overlap with what was labeled ‘acid jazz’, no?

Siegbran, Monday, 15 October 2018 23:28 (five years ago) link

Yeah, does Jhelisa count? Friendly Pressure sounds like these songs to me.

https://youtu.be/YAMtlnvJeo4

brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 02:14 (five years ago) link

Deluxe - I've got a feeling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHBPpDfojg0

Tib, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 02:20 (five years ago) link

I love this sound. Check:

Alison Williams - I Need Your Lovin'

Fresh Four - Wishing on a Star

The Chimes - 1-2-3 (UK Raw Mix) / Heaven / I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For

Beats International - Dub Be Good To Me (Smith & Mighty Remix)

Diana Brown & Barrie K Sharpe – Blind Faith (Brixton Bass Mix)

There's also a lot of stuff that feels like it fits even though it's not from the UK, such as The Family Stand's "Ghetto Heaven" (which also and appropriately got an amazing remix from Soul II Soul).

Tim F, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 02:45 (five years ago) link

i like this stuff too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUpP_a8vAjA

the late great, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 03:47 (five years ago) link

i guess i know more about the acid jazzier end of the spectrum, which tends toward a more polished sound

i'd never heard that bovel track, it is pretty incredible and i'd love to hear more stripped down tracks like that

the late great, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 03:49 (five years ago) link

Innocence - Natural thing?

Tib, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 04:51 (five years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHSPzry7cH8

Fresh 4 feat. Lizz-E • Wishing On A Star

breastcrawl, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 07:11 (five years ago) link

Smith & Mighty DJ Kicks is U&K

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UCIxA2qpKg

Neil S, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 07:27 (five years ago) link

Ah, Tim F already mentioned the Fresh 4 track. (Alyson Williams was/is a US singer, btw)

Love the Bô’vel track, don’t remember ever having heard it before. Is there an actual Dennis Bovell connection or is the name a homage to “Silly Games”/UK lovers rock?

breastcrawl, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 07:35 (five years ago) link

Yeah I should have specified with the Williams that I meant the extended version produced by Soul II Soul.

Tim F, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 08:23 (five years ago) link

I manage to seperate this stuff from acid jazz in my mind purely by how this stuff uses minimalism and bottom-end - to me, acid jazz is radio-friendly and home-listening whereas this is much more club-functioning. There is a lot of crossover and I can imagine this stuff was played alongside acid jazz and post-disco 80s boogie but there's a distinct sonic framework to this stuff that excites me more.

I have no idea about who Bovel is or where the name comes from, I'm not sure I even want or need to, really

boxedjoy, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 11:49 (five years ago) link

Loafs of good recs here though! I didnt know S&M had done a DJ Kicks.

In terms of US stuff that fits I have a huge soft spot for Chante Moore's "Love's Taken Over"

https://youtu.be/wH39-zajFtE

boxedjoy, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 11:51 (five years ago) link

A lot of this stuff, other than the obvious, seems to have been written out of history a bit, perhaps because there was so much else going on at the time, so this is a real blind spot for me. Looking forward to digging through this thread.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 11:51 (five years ago) link

People quickly realized the instrumentals were better than the vocals and Trip Hop got the fame.

brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 15:31 (five years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG8BVCCjTOw

Jill Francis - Make Love To Me (Gangster Mix)

Herb Achelors (NickB), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 15:45 (five years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1-GrHZSCbo

Irini ‎– 24/7 Love

Herb Achelors (NickB), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 16:00 (five years ago) link

Love that Jill Francis!

People quickly realized the instrumentals were better than the vocals and Trip Hop got the fame

This is probably true except for me the vocals are what take a lot of this stuff from enjoyable to excellent.

boxedjoy, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 16:04 (five years ago) link

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Choice-FMs-UK-Pressure-Vol-1/master/359554

This compilation I snagged for cheap recently is good, has both of NickB's selections, but everything on it has been edited down from a full-length mix.

boxedjoy, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 16:06 (five years ago) link

oh i didn't know about that comp, looks like a good launchpad for further investigations

Herb Achelors (NickB), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 16:15 (five years ago) link

i knew about the bovel cos they've been hammering it on nts

Herb Achelors (NickB), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 16:17 (five years ago) link

sorry that the sound on that irini YT is so fucked, it's a good one though

Herb Achelors (NickB), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 16:18 (five years ago) link

maybe a precursor for this sort of thing is mantronix's productions for joyce sims?

Herb Achelors (NickB), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 16:20 (five years ago) link

that stuff was 1987-ish i think

Herb Achelors (NickB), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 16:22 (five years ago) link

or Sly & Robbie producing Gwen Guthrie with Seventh Heaven, which came up in a mix I was listening to earlier, would be another good precursor

Neil S, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 16:42 (five years ago) link

just an excuse to post that fantastic track really

Neil S, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 16:43 (five years ago) link

ok lol turns out the one i posted is american too

the late great, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 19:29 (five years ago) link

I would be remiss in not mentioning Carlton's album 'The Call Is Strong' from 1990, produced by Smith & Mighty, which I consider the overlooked pinnacle of this sound. One of my great music tragedies is losing my copy of this.

Also "Any Love", the early Massive Attack single with Carlton on vocals and S&M on co-production, fits in this thread in a way their subsequent work doesn't.

Tim F, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 20:15 (five years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDZM4xXy17I

Rosaline Joyce - I Will Never Be Your Lover

Herb Achelors (NickB), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 20:20 (five years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcQTOQIlKHY

Fresh Cut ft Ann Cain - Don't Rush (Remix)

Herb Achelors (NickB), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 21:04 (five years ago) link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=25&v=yiWghyFnasU

FM Inc. Call Me Anytime .. Dub is good too

mmmm, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 21:14 (five years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCngWcH0GAg

Joanna Law / Soul 2 Soul connection

mmmm, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 21:17 (five years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzftzlfi36U

mmmm, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 21:18 (five years ago) link

... meant to post another Sarah Winton but the whole LP is top notch

mmmm, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 21:19 (five years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh2tFYgiIuU

Dazzle - Dazzle You. (Haul & Pull Up mix) 1989

Herb Achelors (NickB), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 21:36 (five years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPMyV7SOgxk

Fifth Of Heaven - Just A Little More

Herb Achelors (NickB), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 21:41 (five years ago) link

https://youtu.be/KaA7kt5DLLE

mmmm, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 21:48 (five years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zGXKBRT1gk

Carla Thomas - Things Ya Make Me Do (Summer Remix) (1994)

Herb Achelors (NickB), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 21:49 (five years ago) link

big tune:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVBTrudXcs8

Rick Clarke - Perfect Lady

Herb Achelors (NickB), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 05:44 (five years ago) link

don't think the importance of these guys can be overstated...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdKdnCSeJwQ
Loose Ends - Slow Down

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5rqP8QTAbU
Loose Ends - Don't Be A Fool

Herb Achelors (NickB), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 11:48 (five years ago) link

^ when I saw this thread Loose Ends came to mind immediately but I couldn't remember any of their songs so wasn't sure if I was on the right track

I've got a Fresh Four 12", not mentioned yet it's this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIF7HFEYYXY

(nearly, the 12" I've got is the Smith & Mighty remix, not the version in the youtube)

Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 11:58 (five years ago) link

Diane Charlemagne should get a mention. Cool Down Zone ‎– Lonely Hearts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgIZJnMSjqY

mmmm, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 12:01 (five years ago) link

when I saw this thread Loose Ends came to mind immediately but I couldn't remember any of their songs so wasn't sure if I was on the right track

Hanging On A String is the obvious one and that exact same drum pattern appears in about half the clips i posted above tbh

Herb Achelors (NickB), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 12:10 (five years ago) link

thanks for posting these Herb. I started buying UK Soul 12's and comps from 1992 onwards so missed some of the earlier ones. Occaisional trips to Unity and Blackmarket records armed with lists from Blues and Soul magazines and scraps from Kiss FM.

mmmm, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 12:11 (five years ago) link

Bygraves - Do the Right Thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lwt1qzypBQ

mmmm, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 12:13 (five years ago) link

When I first saw this thread the first thing that came to mind was Sweet Harmony by Liquid, but the more I listen to these the more I feel like it marks the end of this subgengre, so not what you're looking for at all. Is that right?

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 12:18 (five years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo4B8uo55nU

Everis - Love Has Arrived

Herb Achelors (NickB), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 12:31 (five years ago) link

A Joanna Law I don't think I've heard before !!!

Joanna Law - Love is not enough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCngWcH0GAg

MrEnergizer, Saturday, 27 February 2021 22:53 (three years ago) link

Her big tune was Forever.. First time I heard it was by Broadway and I always thought the intro was saying Animal (Wayne - one of BW's DJ's nickname). I thought it was a special (dubplate).

Here's an undercover 12

Claudia Patrice ‎– Unknown Title
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf_AHXHQlcQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5MjHpig-Fs

MrEnergizer, Saturday, 27 February 2021 23:21 (three years ago) link

Massive tune from back in the day

Alisha Warren - Discover Me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSTufxJPTvo

MrEnergizer, Saturday, 27 February 2021 23:31 (three years ago) link

Mica's sister!

MrEnergizer, Saturday, 27 February 2021 23:35 (three years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Oh hello, V4 Visions double LP comp just announced with sleevenotes by Simon Reynolds:

https://v4visions.bandcamp.com/album/v4-visions-of-love-androids

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Saturday, 5 February 2022 23:08 (two years ago) link

I love both the Maureen Mason tracks on that

boxedjoy, Monday, 7 February 2022 10:21 (two years ago) link

three weeks pass...

THIS SONG:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2oERW0Hq1E

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Tuesday, 1 March 2022 00:29 (two years ago) link

i love that space ghost has been zoning in on this sound recently - check out eg 'emotional healer (back room mix)' from last year's album. new track on the ON LOOP comp is mega: https://onloop.bandcamp.com/track/space-ghost-used-to-it

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Sunday, 6 March 2022 12:16 (one year ago) link

i dunno why i briefly went all caps there btw, i don't have a shouty bone in my body tight now

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Sunday, 6 March 2022 12:18 (one year ago) link

right now not tight now jfc my brane

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Sunday, 6 March 2022 12:32 (one year ago) link

Just wanted to say thank you to everyone who has contributed to this thread over the years. I know nothing about this stuff, but whenever I see it revived, I end up playing songs posted in here for an hour or more every single time. Solid jams all around, cheers.

Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Sunday, 6 March 2022 16:36 (one year ago) link

:)

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Sunday, 6 March 2022 20:26 (one year ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdJlJh6zWOs

^ Did this ever get posted here? Probably not, because it really isn't very street at all tbh, but it is an absolute jam. Classic late 80s wine bar vibe, should be on a million comps but i've never even been able to find a decent rip of it. what a song though

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Sunday, 6 March 2022 23:43 (one year ago) link

I love when NickB bumps this thread <3

boxedjoy, Monday, 7 March 2022 13:30 (one year ago) link

this bangs and is only buttons on the cogs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0_iA97Asps

Angels And Images – Hold Me Tight

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Monday, 7 March 2022 22:09 (one year ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi10mI0RTqc

Shades of Rhythm going streetsoul in 1988

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 23:01 (one year ago) link

This is one of my best finds, but the video here seems pitched down a little compared to my 12"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWJZ87gzdVU

.xlsm (P. Flick), Monday, 14 March 2022 20:17 (one year ago) link

Or maybe this more boogie? Too early?

.xlsm (P. Flick), Monday, 14 March 2022 20:18 (one year ago) link

nice find, sounds a bit like 52nd Street

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Monday, 14 March 2022 21:18 (one year ago) link

tbh it was the similarity with 52nd st that led me to post that one, but playing much of the other videos here it's a little out of sync

Oddly, the b side is Lovers Rock and it seems from discogs that their earlier single is too

.xlsm (P. Flick), Monday, 14 March 2022 21:58 (one year ago) link

yeah was looking at their discogs, they do seem to be coming from a lovers/reggae background. producer was mark lusardi (linda's brother!) who worked on loads of reggae things and was also in jah wobble's band for a while. you can actually hear kind of a reggae bassline in the tune you posted, wonder if they tried it out as a straight reggae number first and then thought fuck it, lets get the synths in!

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Monday, 14 March 2022 22:18 (one year ago) link

If I ever start a cult our mission statement will be "fuck it, let's get the synths in"

boxedjoy, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 09:57 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

not exactly sure where to put this Mr. Ho track I’ve been obsessed with recently. The beat seems really streetsoul-y to me and it’s got reggae vocal samples so idk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg2repuHhOo

brimstead, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 00:07 (one year ago) link

it's such a good track. the beat is of course the soul ii soul beat aka the ashley's roachclip break.

stirmonster, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 01:31 (one year ago) link

Gold In The Shade reissue coming out on Heels & Souls:

https://heelsandsouls.bandcamp.com/album/over-you-shining-through-hsrec004

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Tuesday, 9 August 2022 17:12 (one year ago) link

cheers for the heels and souls link — lot of other great stuff to look into there!

nothing to add, just another quick thank you for this thread. feel like i owe you guys money or something for all the jams. also lol "simple solution" is tagged with artist name J DILLA on spotify. even with my novice experience, that makes my inner librarian feel physical pain.

ミ💙🅟 🅛 🅤 🅡 🅜 🅑💙彡 (Austin), Thursday, 11 August 2022 03:18 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

Ashaye - Dreaming (Jungle Mix)

― the creator has a mazda van (NickB), Friday, September 27, 2019 3:50 PM

according to my last.fm-
first listen was 1 april 2022 11:33pm and have registered 62 plays total. probably one of my favorite song discoveries of the past several years.

thread delivers once again.

ミ💙🅟 🅛 🅤 🅡 🅜 🅑💙彡 (Austin), Tuesday, 13 September 2022 04:38 (one year ago) link

big up all the sunshine crew

boxedjoy, Tuesday, 13 September 2022 06:39 (one year ago) link

amazing song, no doubt about it

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Tuesday, 13 September 2022 09:09 (one year ago) link

hardly on the same level, but have been enjoying this one a lot, even though the bass sounds like pure mud:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAiqInbHmJI

Yolanda Warrington - Is This Love

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Tuesday, 13 September 2022 09:10 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

this is fantastic. thank you. DINTE always hits

adam, Saturday, 21 January 2023 18:00 (one year ago) link

That label totally rules

not too strange just bad audio (brimstead), Saturday, 21 January 2023 19:12 (one year ago) link

five months pass...

flair's "chasin' the rain" getting a reissue via heels & souls:

https://www.phonicarecords.com/product/view/189158?mc_cid=987253cda0&mc_eid=f1ee688a08

donna rouge, Monday, 3 July 2023 18:45 (eight months ago) link

fantastic news! absolute bliss tune

NickB, Monday, 3 July 2023 19:55 (eight months ago) link

did i ever post this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LzotzSlNFk
Julianne - I've Been There

(there is a remix with a breakbeat but it's a bit on the busy side imo)

NickB, Monday, 3 July 2023 20:01 (eight months ago) link

two months pass...

New comp coming out on AOTN:

https://aotns.bandcamp.com/album/just-a-touch-pre-order

tracklist:

Bovel - "Coming Back"
Sam - "Life" (club mix)
Marcelle Moncrieffe - "Take Me There"
Kofi - "Step By Step"
Pure Silk - "What You Do For Me"
Jenny B - "Sexy Eyes"
Sonja Ryshard - "Step Back"
Cavalier - "Don't Touch"
Purely Fizzycal - "Straight To The Top"
Dennis Planter - "I Still Dream Of You"
Taffy - "Passion"
Weekend In Paris - "Hold Your Head Up"

blazin' squab (NickB), Friday, 29 September 2023 17:16 (five months ago) link

...which handily crosses off a whole bunch of things on my wantlist.

The Taffy one is great (and yes, it's *that* Taffy!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFiOrrjB68Q

blazin' squab (NickB), Friday, 29 September 2023 17:26 (five months ago) link

AOTN killing it as per

boxedjoy, Saturday, 30 September 2023 07:16 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

hi.💙

thank you to nick and bj and donna and everyone who posts in here. i lurk frequently and sometimes feel like a spongey poseur type for just taking all this wisdom and smiling to myself for hours on end. threads like this are a public service and we are indebted. this is me bowing down.

i wanted to make a post with some sidebar relevance to the main theme here. am sorry if this is not a good place for this post. please redirect if so.

lately, we've been digging into what i would relate as a kind of contemporary equivalent to the main topic of discussion here... kind of dub/step beats with r+b vocals. i am a novice when it comes to this stuff, but i wanted to share some examples of what i'm referring to (because i may not even be using these terms and labels correctly; again- novice). here's some big favorites recently—

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naB3CgNpGdI
von d+phephe — "show me" (2009 — i think?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIRzAWk8nwA
geoim feat. marita — "reminissin'" (2008)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJPdQaX7Xsw
andreya triana — "a town called obsolete (mount kimbie remix)" (2010)

i stumbled onto these just by wandering around playlists and threads like this but i can't get enough lately. is there a compilation or something where i have more? please?

"another slice of death, please." (Austin), Saturday, 25 November 2023 16:31 (three months ago) link

Those are cool I like them! Do you know this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlw_edzvCS0
Nat Home ft Ms Ray - Witching Hour

blazin' squab (NickB), Saturday, 25 November 2023 18:17 (three months ago) link

(bit more recent, bit more housey)

blazin' squab (NickB), Saturday, 25 November 2023 18:21 (three months ago) link

nope, don't know this! it's kind of... acid-y??!?! very cool stuff. thank you!

that andreya triana mount kimbie rmx is the prototype i'm looking for right now; lowkey wonky beats and pensive crooning. fuck yeah.

"another slice of death, please." (Austin), Saturday, 25 November 2023 18:28 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

smokin' hottt...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ButOd7iZQbI
Sisters On The Groove - Weekend Love

blazin' squab (NickB), Saturday, 3 February 2024 22:15 (one month ago) link

quite a strong freestyle influence there, sweet tune

blazin' squab (NickB), Saturday, 3 February 2024 22:18 (one month ago) link

bit of pricey one though :(

blazin' squab (NickB), Saturday, 3 February 2024 22:21 (one month ago) link

Ruf Dug has taken the gig of being Roisin Murphy's 2024 EU tour DJ :/

boxedjoy, Thursday, 8 February 2024 07:43 (three weeks ago) link

yeah i saw that, very disappointing ruffy mate

blazin' squab (NickB), Thursday, 8 February 2024 08:14 (three weeks ago) link

Doesn’t surprise me. Is Ruff Dug on the street soul bandwagon now?

mmmm, Thursday, 8 February 2024 09:38 (three weeks ago) link

How have I never seen this thread before?!? I'm utterly unfamiliar with this genre but I'm completely obsessed with this era of pop music (been contemplating a thread dedicated to the hundreds of freestyle and freestyle-inspired songs churned out over this handful of years) and this is like a huge missing chunk that I didn't even realize was missing. Gonna need some time to properly digest.

Great-Tasting Burger Perceptions (Old Lunch), Thursday, 8 February 2024 10:59 (three weeks ago) link


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