2019 Rock N Roll HOF Nominees

The Cure will never be voted in in my lifetime, they are far to weird. I do give the hall props for actually nominating them after all these years.

I suppose they are weird, but they released one of the most gorgeous pop songs of the past 40 years -- not to mention a handful of other standards -- and many groups already in the Hall produced far, far less. I have a hard time imagining the 1980s without the Cure. The fact that they aren't in already and are presumably facing stiff competition from the likes of John Prine and Chaka f-ing Kahn is ridiculous.

These nominations lists are quite successful at enraging me on an annual basis.

The baseball HOF is another beauty. I mean Babe Ruth got 95% of the vote, meaning 5% of writers thought Babe Ruth was undeserving of induction.

Which--not to derail the thread--is why that silly tradition continues today: Ruth didn't get 100% of the vote, so no one can.

The fact that they aren't in already and are presumably facing stiff competition from the likes of John Prine and Chaka f-ing Kahn is ridiculous.

I like the Cure but the Cure never sang "Street Player" or "Ain't Nobody" or fuckin' "I'm Every Woman" or, for the love of God, "Tell Me Something Good." One of the most gorgeous pop songs of the last 40 years? Try dance songs that still drive everybody out to the floor thirty-five years after they charted. Prine's a better songwriter than Robert Smith, too, but that's neither here nor there, the point is that Rufus murders everybody else on the list without breaking a sweat, not for nothing was Bruce Swieden mixing those amazing, perfect albums

Radiohead vs Rundgren

Voted Rundgren since he has been eligible far longer

Morello became part of the nominating committee around 2013-14, and his first act of advocacy was for Kiss. He and Questlove were brought in after Jon Landau et al had done a house cleaning of committee members who were very focused year after year on, say, various doo wop artists who had not been inducted, in favor or younger people: at one time every single younger member was a Rolling Stone staffer. I imagine both are still on the committee, and while his entire public posture is that of an unbending leftist, Morello is a HUGE schmoozer who was and surely still is quite comfortable in the most corporate corners of the music industry. If dave marsh is still on the committee, I'm sure he would advocate for RAtM and would continue to viscerally disdain the likes of the Cure.

I bet Questlove is a big todd stan, as Todd appeared on Fallon a few years ago, and the Roots and Q in particular played the SHIT out of "Couldn't I Just tell you," and so it might be a philly thing. Q played it unmistakably like he had been waiting many years to tear it up with Todd.

Link Wray still hasn’t been inducted.

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, October 10, 2018 12:13 AM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is a crime

Which--not to derail the thread--is why that silly tradition continues today: Ruth didn't get 100% of the vote, so no one can.

― clemenza, Wednesday, October 10, 2018 6:47 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

some guys are taking the same approach to the rock hall

Van Halen didn’t go into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame the first year they were eligible. Does Pearl Jam need to? If Van Halen had to wait — I think they waited like 10 years! As great as Pearl Jam is and as relevant as Pearl Jam is, really, first time, first ballot? No, not in my book, not when you have countless iconic bands still on the sidelines.

it's very dumb

Link Wray still hasn’t been inducted.

Not to mention Dick Dale!

Stevie Nicks or Roxy, but went with Roxy

That Velvets performance is so goddamn poignant. I don't care that it's a dandelion puff of a song. Their grief bound them together.

that lou smile at mo at 2:59 is everything.

Is there anywhere I could watch that Todd+Roots version of "Couldn't I Just Tell You", because it seems to have vanished from the internet for entirely Jimmy Fallon-related custodial reasons

Was looking for that too

I took a bit of a dive into Rundgren's catalog in the past year and while I do like bits here and there the general impression I got was one of fairly off-putting cynicism. might have been the gross way "Slut" is tagged onto the end of all the scatterbrained genre exercises of "Something/Anything" that cemented that impression for me.

reminds me of Zappa a bit, that combination of bitterness/sarcasm and ego and inclination towards being a show-off

that combination of bitterness/sarcasm and ego and inclination towards being a show-off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSMR9CfDioM

reminds me of Zappa a bit, that combination of bitterness/sarcasm and ego and inclination towards being a show-off

Yes, but by no means all the time - unlike Zappa.

Todd said not long ago that he would consider zappa comparisons a compliment. But I look at it as zappa is to G clinton as Todd is to Stevie… and furthermore, as much as he is a smart aleck who tired of doing perfect pop quickly, he would very often invest his shit with a lot of heart, which Zappa refused to or was incapable of doing. Throughout his 50 plus year career, when he did power-pop, soul or what have you, he was not saying "fuck everything but Edgar Varese and Johnny guitar watson, I'm going to make a quick buck off this crap, and improve it with with Steve vai and my Carl stallings interludes." rather he was wanted to be sincere at least, oh, 50% of the time.

I watched that todd/roots thing the day after it was on, by whatever means NBC wanted Fallon shit to be watched on the innuhnet. Is it not on Hulu?

I'm sure I've linked to this site before, but its pretty much the best RRHoF watchdog thing that exists. http://www.futurerocklegends.com/… the guy who does it used to have a URL with some combination of "RRHoF" but he was threatened by Hall lawyers and changed it to be much more vague and innocuous. I checked it this morning and learned of this this podcast "who cares about the rock hall" podcast therein. I am listening to an episode where to hosts talk to Roy trakin (who once called me "boychik")who discusses being part of the nominating committee. No real good dirt yet…

That's an interesting site; but they consider it a "snub" every year an artist is eligible but not inducted? - http://www.futurerocklegends.com/The_Snub_List.php

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he would very often invest his shit with a lot of heart, which Zappa refused to or was incapable of doing

yeah he does not seem *quite* the asshole that Zappa was. Like, I don't detect any real ironic detachment in "I Saw the Light" for ex.

xp

Are we voting for who we want to get in/most deserving in our eyes? Or predicting who will get in?

Oblig.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd9cw1wquyw

My favorite RRHoF story involves a stone/cement mason hired to do some work around John Mellencamp's pool, in the early 2000s. The deck around the pool was all smashed up, and the mason asked what had happened. It turns out that when John learned he wasn't going to be inducted in the HoF in his first year of eligibility, he took a jackhammer to the deck in a fit of rage.

Ranked by giveashits:

Devo
Radiohead
The Zombies
Def Leppard
The Cure
Todd Rundgren
Stevie Nicks
Rufus & Chaka Kahn
MC5
Kraftwerk
Janet Jackson
Roxy Music
LL Cool J
Rage Against the Machine
John Prine

I don't get Stevie Nicks as a solo artist at all. George Harrison is iffy as a solo artist; Ringo's second induction is silly. Stevie Nicks would be even sillier.

Does the principal in School of Rock have a vote? That's the only explanation I can come up with.

That "Future Rock Legends" site is thorough. The first name listed on the Eligible Artists subsection is Adam Sandler.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIAbxI3r0rU

Everyone talks about the snubs, but whats the consensus on the most inconsequential artist to actually get in?

In the "Performers" category? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rock_and_Roll_Hall_of_Fame_inductees#Performers

They all seem pretty consequential to me (though I'm not familiar with a few of the early guys, or backing bands inducted on their own, like the Blue Caps and Famous Flames).

I feel like RHCP are too artistically mediocre to be in there (despite their obvious success), but I realize the same case could be made for others, depending on personal taste.

I went with Kraftwerk, Radiohead would have been my alternate.

Everyone talks about the snubs, but whats the consensus on the most inconsequential artist to actually get in?

― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, October 10, 2018 6:06 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The Dave Clark 5

Everyone talks about the snubs, but whats the consensus on the most inconsequential artist to actually get in?

it's not as if they induct artists of actually no consequence, but considering who they could've inducted and who they haven't inducted, dire straits and ringo starr seem highly questionable, and maybe jackson browne and tom waits should leave the museum and get back in line, out of respect for those they jumped in front of.

I think Joan Jett and the Blackhearts were maybe a questionable choice.

dire straits deserve to be in for making movies alone. also, they had an outsized influence on musicians in west africa, which is cool: https://africasacountry.com/2015/03/the-unexpected-popularity-of-dire-straits-in-north-african-tuareg-communities/

Dude waht joan jett is incredible

I don't get Stevie Nicks as a solo artist at all. George Harrison is iffy as a solo artist; Ringo's second induction is silly. Stevie Nicks would be even sillier.

― clemenza, W

by RHOF standards she qualifies: more than enough solo hits, distinctive enough from her full time gig. Influential? Undoubtedly. Whether the influenced distinguish Nicks solo from FM is another question.

Stevie is more defensible than Ringo by far, she at least has some iconic and unforgettable solo moments vs...whatever Ringo has done post-Beatles.

I would entertain a chat over drinks in which It Don't Come Easy, Early 1970, and Snookeroo >>> Stand Back, If Anyone Falls, etc

First two seasons of Thomas and Friends getting insufficient respect.

His role as the Pope in Listztomania too.

very cool story about dire straits' influence on tuareg musicians, but i'm voting tinariwen into my rrhof before i vote dire straits in.

Dude waht joan jett is incredible

this is a true fact.

^^This all just proves my point (about taste) when it comes to the batch of inducted artists... I don’t think there can be anything like a consensus “not quite worthy” pick.

I think I want to go with Chaka Khan & Rufus or mb the Zombies?

i always feel like you need to fill yr hall with the ones who came first before you start letting the later years in but it never happens

like it is crazy to me that Janet or Def Leppard could go in before Chaka & Rufus!

I must have looked away during Stevie Nicks's solo career. I like "Edge of Seventeen" and the song she did with Tom Petty. I know nothing else.

My list of people who warrant induction twice would be very small. John Lennon, Paul McCartney, Michael Jackson, Neil Young, Lou Reed, and probably Eric Clapton (for the Yardbirds and Cream, not necessarily for his own albums, although I guess Layla counts as an Eric Clapton record). I've probably forgotten somebody. When Beyonce and Justin Timberlake go in twice, I'll be happily dead.

Mick Jagger is a five-star solo artist. Surely he'll get a slot. We're just a few years away from the 20th anniversary of his peak!

Stevie is more defensible than Ringo by far, she at least has some iconic and unforgettable solo moments vs...whatever Ringo has done post-Beatles.

― omar little, Thursday, 11 October 2018 03:12 (nine hours ago) Permalink

fwiw, ringo got in with the hall's "Award for Musical Excellence," which according to wikipedia, "honors those musicians, producers and others who have spent their careers out of the spotlight working with major artists on various parts of their recording and live careers." other winners include leon russell, glyn johns, etc. he's not technically in the hall as a solo performer.