2019 Rock N Roll HOF Nominees

I, for one, am mostly surprised they managed to resist the siren call of nominating the Dave Matthews Band.

feelin Devo this morning

Good list.

Surprised Rundgren isn't already in. Zombies maybe less so.

lol

Before they were nominated last year, Radiohead gave an interview where they discussed their disinterest in a potential Rock Hall induction. “I don’t care,” said Jonny Greenwood. “Maybe it’s a cultural thing that I really don’t understand. I mean, from the outside it looks like... it’s quite a self-regarding profession anyway. And anything that heightens that just makes me feel even more uncomfortable.” While Thom Yorke, Philip Selway, and Ed O’Brien also sounded apathetic, Colin Greenwood said, “I’d be grateful if we got in.”

Members of the British punk rock band The Sex Pistols, inducted in 2006, refused to attend the ceremony, calling the museum "a piss stain" and "urine in wine".[49]

On March 14, 2007, two days after that year's induction ceremony, Roger Friedman of Fox News published an article claiming that the Dave Clark Five should have been the fifth inductee, as they had more votes than inductee Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five. The article went on to say "Jann Wenner used a technicality about the day votes were due in. In reality, The Dave Clark Five got six more votes than Grandmaster Flash. But he felt we couldn't go another year without a rap act."[46]

Surprised MC5 aren’t already in.

they had to make room for journey and bon jovi

Life really is pretty great. What a treat to sit back and think about how grateful I am - that we all are - to have had such great rock and roll acts entertaining us throughout these years. Rocking, rolling, making us feel what they feel and have a great time doing it! We salute you, Def Leppard, Devo, Janet Jackson, John Prine, Kraftwerk, LL Cool J, MC5, Radiohead, Rage Against the Machine, Roxy Music, Stevie Nicks, The Cure, Todd Rundgren, Rufus & Chaka Kahn, and The Zombies!!! It's too hard to pick a favorite! THANK YOU for rocking us through these years and hopefully for many more to come!! Rock on :)

Sex Pistols OTM (xxxxpost)

Hopefully The Cure and Kraftwerk go in on the same night.

voted for rufus

MC5 probably due to their very short career? They seem to value bands for longevity.

Still surprised that Motorhead aren't in, along with AC/DC and the Ramones they're probably the most emblematic/canonical/iconic "rock 'n roll band" you could think of. Also, Stevie Nicks seems an odd choice, her solo career is even more of a footnote to her band than, say, Sting, Don Henley or Phil Collins. I can see the gender angle but Kate Bush would seem a lot more obvious. Anyway, it's always been difficult to see any consistency in these nominations.

voted for Def Lep, a Rock and Roll HOF without the band that brought us Rock! Rock! (Til You Drop), Rock of Ages, Rocket, Stagefright, and Let's Get Rocked is no Rock and Roll HOF.

i agree that def leppard should be in the rock and rock hall of fame

i voted for janet, roxy, radiohead, the cure, and the zombies, though it's hard for me to argue that def leppard shouldn't be in there when so many lessers of their era are in already.

at the official website, i mean, haven't decided who i'm gonna vote for here tho

Shocked that The Cure haven't already been inducted.

Still surprised that Motorhead aren't in, along with AC/DC and the Ramones they're probably the most emblematic/canonical/iconic "rock 'n roll band" you could think of.

That's an interesting comment; I don't think of Motorhead as "canonical" at all, at least in the Jann Wenner/rockcrit/RRHoF sense. I never heard about them growing up, reading rock mags, etc., and even as an adult I mainly only hear about them on places like ILM (or when Lemmy is in the news for something weird). I think of them as a long-running "cult" band that gets little mainstream attention, at least in the U.S. -- I couldn't even name one of their albums.

Yes odd - worldwide they were huge right up to the end. I had tickets for their last (obv cancelled) tour in an arena that booked Celine Dion, Metallica etc. They even had their own ski's.

at least in the Jann Wenner/rockcrit/RRHoF sense. I never heard about them growing up, reading rock mags, etc.

this is because all those assholes hated metal

those pricks inducted Bon Jovi because they supposedly had enough Springsteen type roots rock in their glam sandwich, even though they were basically the Jack Morris of '80s pop metal. Def Leppard were the true kings. Motorhead of course was huge, as canonical among hard rock fans as AC/DC and the Ramones, i think. they just didn't have the radio hits (though you hear them more and more now, and i think they'll get in eventually.)

But Motorhead was never really a metal band, all their stuff is essentially 1950s rock 'n roll played on 10. They're really much closer to AC/DC and the Ramones than to say Maiden or Priest.

they ignored hard rock for a long time, only relenting for no-doubters like AC/DC, Sabbath, and Led Zep.

Deep Purple finally got in 2016

I always got the sense that Motorhead was a band that the punk kids and the metal kids agreed on, like Black Sabbath.

i think the Misfits as well.

I always got the sense that Motorhead was a band that the punk kids and the metal kids agreed on, like Black Sabbath

my first exposure to Motorhead was in a Love + Rockets comic where this literally happens (the punk kid and the metal kid can't agree on anything to listen to except for "Ace of Spades")

punk + metal, the two genres the RRHOF has always shown a great affinity for amirite

the Jack Morris of '80s pop metal

this is a devastating burn

Radiohead vs Rundgren, not sure, unless Def Leppard comes up the middle.

Roxy Music, but they'll never get in.

I could see a compelling case for basically every nominee. I went with Radiohead, Roxy, Kraftwerk, Janet, and The Cure.

Are the Fall in the HoF already? Suspend any newcomers until the Fall enter imo.

(RnR HoF is the most USA being USA shit there is)

It's boring and meaningless but also kind of fun to talk/argue about. (Also, LOL @ the idea of The Fall ever making it in.)

I can see the case for all these nominees except RATM, whom I think are fucking horrible and (thankfully) don't have much of a rep anymore, so they fail on both counts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-EUKdn1FEk

If this doesn't seal a RnR HoF deal, I don't know what Mark E. Smith could've done more.

(voted Roxy Music, obv)

Mark would spit at least three of his teeth at LL Cool J, after the latter busted them out of his mouth.

LL Cool J a HoF contender, smdh

Surely Limp Bizkit will be in before RATM?

I've been on an island with RATM for years now. I think they're maybe the most unjustly denigrated band of the past two decades. I don't know why everyone else derives so much glee from shitting on them (I mean, partly I do, it's the whole agitprop-for-fratbros thing) but I think they kicked fucking ass.

I'll be voting for the Cure, Devo, Kraftwerk, Radiohead, and I don't know who else. Maybe the MC5, though I don't actually love any of their official albums and Wayne Kramer's autobiography was surprisingly dull. The New Year's Day 1970 show that used to be available as Teen Age Lust and is now part of a live box set is better than anything they released in their creative lifetime. Fuck Def Leppard forever.

xp people hold it against them that they started the whole rap-rock thing, tho they did it much much better than anyone else (not much of a RATM fan, but I still think it's true)

they started the whole rap-rock thing

haha waht

lmao

John Prine's a fun choice. Give it to him while he's here to get it.

Would like to see Roxy Music in there, but Kraftwerk the most important act by a mile, unless they aren't "rock", but that's a silly thing in the first place.

they started the whole rap-rock thing

haha waht

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, October 9, 2018 2:26 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol they weren't the first group to combine rap and rock obv, but they were the most prevalent influence to the punchline bands of the late '90s

I still can’t get over the fact that THE CURE not only aren’t in the HOF but that they’ve been eligible for.... 15 years? WTF? I know it’s all up to Jann but that’s as much of a no brainer as Talking Heads or Nirvana or whoever else got in on their first year. Maybe RS pissed off RS.

I would entertain a chat over drinks in which It Don't Come Easy, Early 1970, and Snookeroo >>> Stand Back, If Anyone Falls, etc

First two seasons of Thomas and Friends getting insufficient respect.

His role as the Pope in Listztomania too.

very cool story about dire straits' influence on tuareg musicians, but i'm voting tinariwen into my rrhof before i vote dire straits in.

Dude waht joan jett is incredible

this is a true fact.

^^This all just proves my point (about taste) when it comes to the batch of inducted artists... I don’t think there can be anything like a consensus “not quite worthy” pick.

I think I want to go with Chaka Khan & Rufus or mb the Zombies?

i always feel like you need to fill yr hall with the ones who came first before you start letting the later years in but it never happens

like it is crazy to me that Janet or Def Leppard could go in before Chaka & Rufus!

I must have looked away during Stevie Nicks's solo career. I like "Edge of Seventeen" and the song she did with Tom Petty. I know nothing else.

My list of people who warrant induction twice would be very small. John Lennon, Paul McCartney, Michael Jackson, Neil Young, Lou Reed, and probably Eric Clapton (for the Yardbirds and Cream, not necessarily for his own albums, although I guess Layla counts as an Eric Clapton record). I've probably forgotten somebody. When Beyonce and Justin Timberlake go in twice, I'll be happily dead.

Mick Jagger is a five-star solo artist. Surely he'll get a slot. We're just a few years away from the 20th anniversary of his peak!

Stevie is more defensible than Ringo by far, she at least has some iconic and unforgettable solo moments vs...whatever Ringo has done post-Beatles.

― omar little, Thursday, 11 October 2018 03:12 (nine hours ago) Permalink

fwiw, ringo got in with the hall's "Award for Musical Excellence," which according to wikipedia, "honors those musicians, producers and others who have spent their careers out of the spotlight working with major artists on various parts of their recording and live careers." other winners include leon russell, glyn johns, etc. he's not technically in the hall as a solo performer.

reminds me of Zappa a bit, that combination of bitterness/sarcasm and ego and inclination towards being a show-off

― Οὖτις

but when the time came rundgren could be sincere, could write a love song, which zappa could never bring himself to do. god, what do you think zappa would have made of something like "healing"? and certainly zappa never could have written something like "just one victory".

Another thing is Rundgren seemed to have a fairly healthy ego/self-image whereas Zappa always seemed riddled with insecurity to me.

one redeeming factor that's always struck me personality-wise w/Todd (and this has absolutely nothing to do w his music, to be clear) is how highly Liv Tyler and Bebe Buell have publicly spoken of him re: being a father to Liv while she was growing up.

That whole story is so strange, ha.

ZOMS GLOM NOM; THOM'S QUALM

lmao is that real ?

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Wow, Kraftwerk, the Cure, and Radiohead?!

2019: the year the Rock HoF got good.

We'll find out in "December 2019" (they can't get more precise on that?)

*Dec. 2018

Radiohead 5 more votes than Def Lep GTFO

I agree, only 5 votes more!?

two votes for the zombies ?

y’all are crazy

roxy music lol gtfo

Are we voting for who we want to get in/most deserving in our eyes? Or predicting who will get in?

― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, October 10, 2018

This wasn’t (and still isn’t) clear to me, either...

I don’t think I’ve even followed any HoF ceremony. How many winners are there? Previous years give me like 4 or 5 winners unless I’m reading it wrong.

Stevie Nicks 0

lmao

So I started listening to that Rock Hall podcast mentioned upthread. It's pretty damn charming. I thought it would be something enjoyable to hate-listen while stuck in traffic, but I'm actually kind of hooked.

“Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2019 Inductees” (RockHall.com). The Zombies: two effectively Beatle-style Top 10 hits in 1965 (think of “She’s Not There” and “No Reply” — which one disappears in the face of the other?) and another one, boring even if the radio loves it, four years later. But when the Shangri-Las — “Remember (Walking in the Sand),” “Leader of the Pack,” “Give Him a Great Big Kiss,” “Out in the Streets” and “I Can Never Go Home Anymore” — three of them Top Ten in 1964 and 1965, one of them Number One, all of them not merely hits, but iconic — have never been nominated, let alone voted in, how can this mean anything at all? I don’t know if Janet Jackson or Def Leppard would agree, but I’d bet Stevie Nicks and Bryan Ferry would.

This made me laugh, because I've seen the same point made a thousand times in relation to Barry Bonds and/or Roger Clemens. I've always resisted the formulation when applied to baseball because, agree or disagree, I've always known why Bonds and Clemens have not (yet) been voted in--it's not some inexplicable mystery.

When it comes to the Shangri-Las, he may be onto something.

(Greil Marcus--was going to post that on his thread but moved it over here.)

I'm all for putting the Shangri-Las in the MLB hall of fame

did dude just shit on "Time of the Season"

Shirelles and Ronettes are in; Shangs absolutely should be, too.

i love time of the season and i think this year's rock hall class is a perfectly decent one, all things considered, and i'd take the shangri-las over every single one of 'em in a heartbeat.

and now that alan trammell's in the mlb hall, i'd be happy to devote my efforts to getting the shangri-las in there too.

also, he didn't even mention "train from kansas city"

to continue the baseball HOF analogy, using the Zombies' lower number of top ten hits against them is like Adrian Beltre making the HOF and some someone grousing about the fact that he made only 4 All Star games.

did dude just shit on "Time of the Season"

― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, December 27, 2018 12:34 AM (twenty hours ago)

i think he also just shit on "no reply" (tho, as so often with greil, you can't always be sure -- i assumed for years he hated the faces because of a line in his old rod stewart essay that seemed like a dismissal, but he said recently in the ask-GM column that he loved them).

somehow i'd missed that the shangri-las aren't in the hall of fame -- that's inexcusable.

I thought he was being out and out dismissive of the Zombies, describing the first hits as "effectively" Beatles-esque before bringing in the genuine article for comparison (BTW, were the Zombies included in his discog in Stranded? Don't have a copy anymore to check.) Which is classic Greil down to how off-base it is as an argument--I get a feeling he hasn't heard much else of their work since it was new, and if he had, perhaps he'd realize there was way more to the band than the three hits.

He's right that The Shangri-Las should be considered, although it's understandable that they haven't given the bias of the voting body towards Rock vs. Girl Group Pop. Looking at the inductees list (and discounting the Supremes and Martha & The Vandellas, because MOTOWN), the Shirelles ('96), the Ronettes ('07) and Darlene Love ('11) are literally the only performers from the genre that have made it in.

They're not as cool, but one could make the same argument he made for the Crystals, Lesley Gore, or Dionne Warwick (holy shit @ that one too).

wait, dionne warwick isn't in? wtf is wrong w/people???

Slayer should be in the Hall and so should Dionne Warwick and they should collabo on a medley of "Seasons in the Abyss/Walk on By" at the ceremony

I love how the usual argument by haters against the Warwicks, etc is that "omg it's the ROCK AND ROLL hall of fame", which conveniently gets ignored when one of their favorite "not rock but rock-adjacent" acts gets in.

[the usual argument by haters against the Warwicks, etc is that "omg it's the ROCK AND ROLL hall of fame"

instead, they should say, "oh shit, we just assumed we'd already inducted her! sorry!" that would be a better, and more believable, argument.

I’m gonna be hella cyclical and say the Shirelles are in b/c the Beatles, and Ronettes b/c Phil Spector.

*Cynical (lol)

It really should just be renamed the Pop Music HoF anyway.

It should be renamed "A List of a Bunch of Musicians"

Greenwich/Barry are in as non-performers, at least: https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/ellie-greenwich-and-jeff-barry

Slayer probably is still too controversial?

oh yeah I was totally kidding about them

I’m really surprised the NY Dolls aren’t in, either... How deep does the “Great Big Kiss” conspiracy go??