Lana Del Rey - Norman Fucking Rockwell (2019)

Any takers

I'm not anybody's mom or anything, but one generic LDR thread seemed to be handling the discussion of this not yet released album just fine, and will do fine after it comes out as well.

Don't people find those mega-threads unwieldy? The "pitchfork is dumb" thread crashes my browser if I try to expand it. Granted, LDR only has 3000 posts or so, but still, I'm not sure I totally get the anti-proliferation mentality.

I was so bowled over by "Venice Bitch" I didn't properly appreciate the new, down-to-earth Lana on "Mariners Apartment Complex"

They mistook my kindness for weakness
I fucked up, I know that, but Jesus
Can't a girl just do the best she can?

i also like threads for new albums because it alerts me to something new from an artist i don't care enough about to check their one thread whenever it's updated.

The other thread had a lot of hate tbh

this album is terrible

Who hurt u

If the consensus is to shut it down, Ok

i like the deluxe version with all the tracks in reverse order that costs twice as much and came out a year later

i also like the deluxe version of this thread that has all the posts in reverse order and came out in 2025

album of the year

I'm not anybody's mom or anything, but one generic LDR thread seemed to be handling the discussion of this not yet released album just fine, and will do fine after it comes out as well.

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, September 19, 2018 8:55 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes. I don't see why we need a new thread suddenly just because she has a new album. The beauty of the Lana thread was that it occurred and flowed just like her career, following her twists and turns. I don't get the need for a new thread at all.

it's a bit nice that the other thread had all the hate, most of which has dwindled because why the fuck would anyone hate lana

Don't people find those mega-threads unwieldy? The "pitchfork is dumb" thread crashes my browser if I try to expand it. Granted, LDR only has 3000 posts or so, but still, I'm not sure I totally get the anti-proliferation mentality.

― enochroot, Wednesday, September 19, 2018 9:05 PM (fifty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Either use bookmarks or get a better browser. It's not complicated. If ilx-threads (of all things online) crash your browser, it's you, not ilx.

The other thread had a lot of hate tbh

― Ross, Wednesday, September 19, 2018 9:40 PM (twenty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is such a lame take.

Alright, keep it to the other thread. I’m just a nerd

Dude lbi you now.....

Lock thread mod please

et tu, Bateau?

There was love, there was hate, and now there was love again. a) who cares and reads back to the hate, when b) there is love now?

idgi

Lbi being harsh itt for real

Assuming we all have the same internet plan.

Lbi I don’t even have the internet

Chill on assumptions. I’m out of this thread

No need to talk to Enochroot like that

Ross, <3 u man but this doesn't seem worthy to brawl about. Use a bookmark and the thread won't load all 1000s of messages.

Okay cool no sweat

In my defence I created a thread for the new Florence album after ceremonials thread seemed irrelevant. Didn’t know that there are some Ilx rules I didn’t understand about general threads for artists.

et tu, Bateau?

― imago, Wednesday, September 19, 2018 10:05 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://i.giphy.com/media/9RNapaMXnaZhK/200.gif

Imagine there's only one Radiohead thread
I wonder if you cann

If there was only Radiohead thread, then I assume it would be this one:
Radiohead LP9 Anticipation, Fangirling and random Cheesecake Thread (Do not read if you hate Radiohead or us)

well, i actually didn't know about bookmarks until just now, so i guess thanks bateau for being a jerk?

(but seriously, expand all the posts on the "pitchfork is dumb" thread, scroll to the bottom, and tell me your browser doesn't crash)

I'm not anybody's mom or anything, but one generic LDR thread seemed to be handling the discussion of this not yet released album just fine, and will do fine after it comes out as well.

It's a good idea for the album to have a thread after it's been released or there are more tracks to discuss, this thread launch is maybe a bit premature, that's all.

I'm p sure I wasn't a jerk, Enochroot. It was just a tip. Beyond that, I feel the original Lana thread served all our Lana purposes, and I didn't and don't see the need for anew thread. Also because the original Lana thread tracks her evolution - and ours, reaction to it - so succinctly.

album title alone deserves its own thread

gay album title imo

picturing mr roper bangin the dude who sang somebody's watching me

Dammit. I was just about to make that same joke.

gay album title imo

― rip van wanko, Wednesday, September 19, 2018

It's not called Get Thee Behind Me, Sailor

Except with the guy from Psycho instead of Three's Company.

lmao that she has another (very nice) new one called "How to Disappear" -- she really wants to keep baiting Radiohead huh

where'd that slip out to? youtube?

played live at some apple thing

https://youtu.be/m3tkGiOx85k

it's a tiresome and rockist observation, but still! seeing artists you like performing and corporate events is just depressing. it being apple she probably got $150k for an afternoon's work and I don't begrudge here

oops sorry, "at"/"her"

why? take the money and run

the majority of venues she performs at are owned by corporations, what is the difference?

audience

i feel like this and the 1975 record are never coming out

take the money and run

^^Her next slowcore cover.

this has been happening for ages, no? just more commonly recorded/broadcast online now

Yeah I’m still not tired of it although I have listened to it A LOT since its release. At this point I enjoy all the tracks.
It’s very weird in that it doesn’t sound at all like an album from one of the biggest popstars in 2019 (although it has the most ubiquitous co-writer/producer of the last few years).

Show was great,particularly the stripped down and newer songs. She actually looked a little tired and not into doing Born to Die and Summertime Sadness. Highlight was that she brought out Joan Baez for two songs: East and Diamonds, which she sang on, and Dont Think Twice Its Alright, which LDR just sat in the back and listened to. She also did Chelsea Hotel with Adam Cohen who I rightly assumed was Leonard Cohen’s son since he looks and sounds just like him. Those moments made me kind of want her to do a stripped down country folk album or something, I think it’s be really good. Anyway, great time. She’s so much more comfortable on stage, seems incredibly lovely and love able, spent a good portion of the end of Venice Bitch signing things for people who had squished up front.

Rust and Diamonds I meant; zing autocorrect

might get something kinda like that eventually

Somewhere in the back of my mind, I’ve been coordinating this concept covers album called “Pacific Blue.” It would be a very low-key thing, like acoustic Beach Boys stuff, Elvis, Chris Isaak. People usually think your career is over when you record a covers album or a Christmas album. But my musician friends and I are always playing covers. We could probably do that album in a week.

« Rust&Diamonds » is a weird choice of song to make a duet.
A cover album would be great though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv5PXH7T27Q&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1PPWgzoZzCNbUXBRxMbp_FbCNtt4Bq14Fs7HluKvRhGKPIMSpPjri-h1U

poo on Youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv5PXH7T27Q

This album is something

I hadn’t listened to it yet even though I’ve enjoyed her work before. This is better than the other ones, right? It’s also even more detached and meta—like this completely arch presentation, but utterly beautiful songs. In terms of like the overall gestalt it seems more lynch than warhol.

I think it's her best album, yes.

IT'S NOT ARCH TREESHIP HER LOVING IS HER ART

I was hoping her live Chris Isaak cover would be from Forever Blue or something but I looked it up and nope, Wicked Game.

The production on venice beach is so engrossing

Venice Bitch, sorry

The album seems kind of lost in time, which makes me like it more. So much atmosphere, so many layers, even hising behind the Lana del Rey construct, feels like an older lind kf idea about postmodernism, when ennui was thought to be the worst thing about late capitalism, like the album exists inside a Don DeLillo novel or something or maybe just 2009.

Like, the nostalgia isn’t for the period she allegedly evokes, but for the period when people were nostalgic about that.

Wait she said earlier in this album cycle that she didn’t hbe a “persona”? Sry i missed this.

Interesting.

fake it so real i am beyond fake

“If he’s a serial killer then what’s the worst that could happen to a girl whose already hurt? I’m already hurt.”

There’s no irony in this? It’s not playing with the idea of lana del rey and archetypes of femininity? It’s not provocative?

Come on lana

treesh

lol so I hate the album now right?

*U not I

No it’s fine. I’m just confused about what kind of art pop this is.

giving this threadbump 5 bags of popcorn and a web browser full of lana del rey interviews

It’s just funny watching you go through diving into the record and then getting to the interview and backlash in real time itt

Isn't this what Facebook and Twitter are for?

i mean maybe i'm the only one but i find her statement about persona both objectively falsifiable and completely truthful.

Maybe Father John Misty can clear this up!

“There’s something innately false about performance. I wanted to be authentically bogus rather than bogusly authentic.”

Thats good. And yeah, i dont think there is authwnticity on the one hand and “persona” on the other

I'm not going to open up this huge thread to find the answer (because I no longer care what people's opinions are on this album, no disrespect) but I do want to be reminded what Simon H's preferred track order was so that I can try it.

Simon?

Off the top of my head it's something like:

NFR / Cinnamon Girl / Doin' Time / How to Disappear / Love Song / Fuck it I Love You /Happiness is a Butterfly / Mariners Apartment Complex /Bartender / Venice Bitch / Looking for America / The Greatest / Hope is a dangerous thing...

thanks.

such a badly sequenced record!

father john misty was authentically boring as shit when I saw him live

well yeah. he’s got some tunes but they’re all pretty samey

Just unbearable, swanning around onstage like oh this is so post modern ok dude you're wearing sunglasses inside congrats on the half loaf soggy nilsson

the more i listen to this, the better it gets

her season of the witch cover verges into self parody

her what now

These days whenever I listen to LDR I keep hoping she'll do a Wonder Woman spin and transform into:

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SomberShockingArkshell-size_restricted.gif

nah, that cover is good

By "good" do you mean "bad and boring"?

if you don't like Her General Thing, I can't imagine soundtrack loosies are gonna change one's mind

her season of the witch cover verges into self parody

Obligatory: 'but isn't self-parody her whole shtick?'

original is pretty crap too tbrr

did I ever mention I saw her on tour recently? me and my friend, both of us 40ish years old

it was pretty ok? the stage dressing and framing was so-so

kinda burnt myself out on this album so I took a long break and it's still great and not in some corny "predicted the 2020 vibe" sorta way. I confess however that I slightly preferred the gonzo "cuts on his face 'cause he fucked too hard" to what I only just realized is the actual lyric, "fought"

Yeah I still love this album. and that song !

also I thought she was releasing a "spoken word album" but it turns out to be the audiobook version of a poetry collection? for some reason though the concepts are sonically identical, this configuration irks me less

wait, sorry, also does this mean pitchfork is going to review an audiobook