Lana Del Rey - Norman Fucking Rockwell (2019)

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Any takers

Ross, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 18:50 (one year ago) link

I'm not anybody's mom or anything, but one generic LDR thread seemed to be handling the discussion of this not yet released album just fine, and will do fine after it comes out as well.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 18:55 (one year ago) link

Don't people find those mega-threads unwieldy? The "pitchfork is dumb" thread crashes my browser if I try to expand it. Granted, LDR only has 3000 posts or so, but still, I'm not sure I totally get the anti-proliferation mentality.

enochroot, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 19:05 (one year ago) link

I was so bowled over by "Venice Bitch" I didn't properly appreciate the new, down-to-earth Lana on "Mariners Apartment Complex"

They mistook my kindness for weakness
I fucked up, I know that, but Jesus
Can't a girl just do the best she can?

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 19:09 (one year ago) link

i also like threads for new albums because it alerts me to something new from an artist i don't care enough about to check their one thread whenever it's updated.

macropuente (map), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 19:13 (one year ago) link

The other thread had a lot of hate tbh

Ross, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 19:40 (one year ago) link

this album is terrible

Mighty Seething Bat (sic), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 19:53 (one year ago) link

Who hurt u

Ross, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 19:56 (one year ago) link

If the consensus is to shut it down, Ok

Ross, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 19:59 (one year ago) link

i like the deluxe version with all the tracks in reverse order that costs twice as much and came out a year later

akm, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 19:59 (one year ago) link

i also like the deluxe version of this thread that has all the posts in reverse order and came out in 2025

akm, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 20:00 (one year ago) link

album of the year

akm, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 20:00 (one year ago) link

I'm not anybody's mom or anything, but one generic LDR thread seemed to be handling the discussion of this not yet released album just fine, and will do fine after it comes out as well.

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, September 19, 2018 8:55 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes. I don't see why we need a new thread suddenly just because she has a new album. The beauty of the Lana thread was that it occurred and flowed just like her career, following her twists and turns. I don't get the need for a new thread at all.

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 20:02 (one year ago) link

it's a bit nice that the other thread had all the hate, most of which has dwindled because why the fuck would anyone hate lana

akm, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 20:03 (one year ago) link

Don't people find those mega-threads unwieldy? The "pitchfork is dumb" thread crashes my browser if I try to expand it. Granted, LDR only has 3000 posts or so, but still, I'm not sure I totally get the anti-proliferation mentality.

― enochroot, Wednesday, September 19, 2018 9:05 PM (fifty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Either use bookmarks or get a better browser. It's not complicated. If ilx-threads (of all things online) crash your browser, it's you, not ilx.

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 20:03 (one year ago) link

The other thread had a lot of hate tbh

― Ross, Wednesday, September 19, 2018 9:40 PM (twenty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is such a lame take.

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 20:04 (one year ago) link

Alright, keep it to the other thread. I’m just a nerd

Ross, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 20:04 (one year ago) link

Dude lbi you now.....

Ross, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 20:04 (one year ago) link

Lock thread mod please

Ross, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 20:04 (one year ago) link

et tu, Bateau?

imago, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 20:05 (one year ago) link

There was love, there was hate, and now there was love again. a) who cares and reads back to the hate, when b) there is love now?

idgi

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 20:05 (one year ago) link

Lbi being harsh itt for real

Assuming we all have the same internet plan.

Ross, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 20:05 (one year ago) link

Lbi I don’t even have the internet

Chill on assumptions. I’m out of this thread

Ross, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 20:06 (one year ago) link

No need to talk to Enochroot like that

Ross, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 20:08 (one year ago) link

Ross, <3 u man but this doesn't seem worthy to brawl about. Use a bookmark and the thread won't load all 1000s of messages.

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 20:11 (one year ago) link

Okay cool no sweat

Ross, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 20:12 (one year ago) link

In my defence I created a thread for the new Florence album after ceremonials thread seemed irrelevant. Didn’t know that there are some Ilx rules I didn’t understand about general threads for artists.

Ross, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 20:17 (one year ago) link

et tu, Bateau?

― imago, Wednesday, September 19, 2018 10:05 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://i.giphy.com/media/9RNapaMXnaZhK/200.gif

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 20:20 (one year ago) link

Imagine there's only one Radiohead thread
I wonder if you cann

Mark G, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 20:21 (one year ago) link

If there was only Radiohead thread, then I assume it would be this one:
Radiohead LP9 Anticipation, Fangirling and random Cheesecake Thread (Do not read if you hate Radiohead or us)

MarkoP, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 20:32 (one year ago) link

well, i actually didn't know about bookmarks until just now, so i guess thanks bateau for being a jerk?

(but seriously, expand all the posts on the "pitchfork is dumb" thread, scroll to the bottom, and tell me your browser doesn't crash)

enochroot, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 20:37 (one year ago) link

I'm not anybody's mom or anything, but one generic LDR thread seemed to be handling the discussion of this not yet released album just fine, and will do fine after it comes out as well.

It's a good idea for the album to have a thread after it's been released or there are more tracks to discuss, this thread launch is maybe a bit premature, that's all.

Zach Same (Tom D.), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 20:37 (one year ago) link

I'm p sure I wasn't a jerk, Enochroot. It was just a tip. Beyond that, I feel the original Lana thread served all our Lana purposes, and I didn't and don't see the need for anew thread. Also because the original Lana thread tracks her evolution - and ours, reaction to it - so succinctly.

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 20:41 (one year ago) link

album title alone deserves its own thread

flappy bird, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 21:03 (one year ago) link

gay album title imo

rip van wanko, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 21:08 (one year ago) link

picturing mr roper bangin the dude who sang somebody's watching me

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 21:14 (one year ago) link

Dammit. I was just about to make that same joke.

MarkoP, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 21:16 (one year ago) link

gay album title imo

― rip van wanko, Wednesday, September 19, 2018

It's not called Get Thee Behind Me, Sailor

The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 21:16 (one year ago) link

Except with the guy from Psycho instead of Three's Company.

MarkoP, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 21:16 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

lmao that she has another (very nice) new one called "How to Disappear" -- she really wants to keep baiting Radiohead huh

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:31 (eleven months ago) link

where'd that slip out to? youtube?

akm, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 22:11 (eleven months ago) link

played live at some apple thing

https://youtu.be/m3tkGiOx85k

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 22:21 (eleven months ago) link

it's a tiresome and rockist observation, but still! seeing artists you like performing and corporate events is just depressing. it being apple she probably got $150k for an afternoon's work and I don't begrudge here

rip van wanko, Friday, 2 November 2018 18:38 (eleven months ago) link

oops sorry, "at"/"her"

rip van wanko, Friday, 2 November 2018 18:39 (eleven months ago) link

why? take the money and run

flappy bird, Friday, 2 November 2018 18:43 (eleven months ago) link

the majority of venues she performs at are owned by corporations, what is the difference?

flappy bird, Friday, 2 November 2018 18:44 (eleven months ago) link

audience

rip van wanko, Friday, 2 November 2018 19:35 (eleven months ago) link

i feel like this and the 1975 record are never coming out

Greta Van Fleek (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 2 November 2018 19:37 (eleven months ago) link

take the money and run

^^Her next slowcore cover.

The Greta Van Gerwig (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 2 November 2018 19:41 (eleven months ago) link

this has been happening for ages, no? just more commonly recorded/broadcast online now

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 2 November 2018 20:01 (eleven months ago) link

I guess it does illustrate the principle, though, that someone can say a million nice things about you, and the one negative or ambiguous thing will stick in your craw. Like how artists say they only remember the few mean tweets out a barrage of nice ones.

Spry at 78 (morrisp), Thursday, 3 October 2019 15:12 (two weeks ago) link

i can't tell if people are being serious that "personagate" turned them off this album

omar little, Thursday, 3 October 2019 15:56 (two weeks ago) link

it put me off it

i thought it was just all right to begin with though

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 3 October 2019 16:00 (two weeks ago) link

it didn't turn me off to it, in fact I don't care at all about htat. I just listened to the album constantly and needed a break.

seeing her live on Sunday. we'll see how that goes.

akm, Thursday, 3 October 2019 16:36 (two weeks ago) link

i can't tell if people are being serious that "personagate" turned them off this album

Generally speaking, when someone says something that makes you cringe with embarrassment for them, they meant it.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Thursday, 3 October 2019 16:46 (two weeks ago) link

imo artists aren't responsible for their fans being total assholes who are rabid to start monstering anyone who looks sideways at their idol, but they should probably be cognizant those fans exist and what the effects of offhandedly disagreeing with a review can entail

mh, Thursday, 3 October 2019 16:51 (two weeks ago) link

She played in Seattle last night and the bus stops were full of teenage girls wearing too much eye makeup. Seems popular. Kind of like the Taylor Swift crowd but double the eyeliner and none of the unicorn scrunchies.

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 3 October 2019 16:53 (two weeks ago) link

that's how it was the last time I saw her. It was kind of amazing. I find her fan base somewhat endearing.

checked out a youtube video of a show in NY last week, hard to hear over the people singing along and the camera was very far away, but it's clear LDR has stepped up her live performances.

akm, Thursday, 3 October 2019 16:57 (two weeks ago) link

I wish she didn't rely so much on piped in vocal tracks

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 3 October 2019 17:28 (two weeks ago) link

seems to be par for the course for live pop acts unfortunately. she is doing chelsea hotel with just one person playing guitar though.

akm, Thursday, 3 October 2019 19:41 (two weeks ago) link

I like her Thunberg comments. Her read of the Powers story remains baffling but it seems like she got stuck on a phrase or two and extrapolated from there. Which if I were in her position I would probably do all the time

Simon H., Thursday, 3 October 2019 20:47 (two weeks ago) link

if you were in her position i would hope you wouldn't read your press

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 3 October 2019 20:48 (two weeks ago) link

If I were in her position, I'd wear makeup and heels to the market.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 October 2019 20:53 (two weeks ago) link

LDR and Jake Gyllenhaal would be such a Power Couple.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 3 October 2019 21:11 (two weeks ago) link

lol

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 3 October 2019 21:13 (two weeks ago) link

If I were LDR I would simply write my own reviews

mh, Thursday, 3 October 2019 21:22 (two weeks ago) link

LDR and Jake Gyllenhaal would be such a Power Couple.

― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), T

well, yeah

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 October 2019 22:42 (two weeks ago) link

ok listened to it again today for the first time in a week and a half and it's still extraordinary

akm, Friday, 4 October 2019 01:42 (two weeks ago) link

duh

johnny crunch, Friday, 4 October 2019 03:03 (two weeks ago) link

yeah I listened again and still liked it :(

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Friday, 4 October 2019 03:41 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah I’m still not tired of it although I have listened to it A LOT since its release. At this point I enjoy all the tracks.
It’s very weird in that it doesn’t sound at all like an album from one of the biggest popstars in 2019 (although it has the most ubiquitous co-writer/producer of the last few years).

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 4 October 2019 06:25 (two weeks ago) link

Show was great,particularly the stripped down and newer songs. She actually looked a little tired and not into doing Born to Die and Summertime Sadness. Highlight was that she brought out Joan Baez for two songs: East and Diamonds, which she sang on, and Dont Think Twice Its Alright, which LDR just sat in the back and listened to. She also did Chelsea Hotel with Adam Cohen who I rightly assumed was Leonard Cohen’s son since he looks and sounds just like him. Those moments made me kind of want her to do a stripped down country folk album or something, I think it’s be really good. Anyway, great time. She’s so much more comfortable on stage, seems incredibly lovely and love able, spent a good portion of the end of Venice Bitch signing things for people who had squished up front.

akm, Monday, 7 October 2019 19:21 (two weeks ago) link

Rust and Diamonds I meant; zing autocorrect

akm, Monday, 7 October 2019 19:22 (two weeks ago) link

might get something kinda like that eventually

Somewhere in the back of my mind, I’ve been coordinating this concept covers album called “Pacific Blue.” It would be a very low-key thing, like acoustic Beach Boys stuff, Elvis, Chris Isaak. People usually think your career is over when you record a covers album or a Christmas album. But my musician friends and I are always playing covers. We could probably do that album in a week.

Number None, Monday, 7 October 2019 20:35 (two weeks ago) link

« Rust&Diamonds » is a weird choice of song to make a duet.
A cover album would be great though.

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 06:04 (two weeks ago) link

poo on Youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv5PXH7T27Q

akm, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 13:08 (two weeks ago) link

This album is something

treeship., Thursday, 17 October 2019 18:44 (six days ago) link

I hadn’t listened to it yet even though I’ve enjoyed her work before. This is better than the other ones, right? It’s also even more detached and meta—like this completely arch presentation, but utterly beautiful songs. In terms of like the overall gestalt it seems more lynch than warhol.

treeship., Thursday, 17 October 2019 18:50 (six days ago) link

I think it's her best album, yes.

akm, Thursday, 17 October 2019 19:51 (six days ago) link

IT'S NOT ARCH TREESHIP HER LOVING IS HER ART

j., Thursday, 17 October 2019 19:53 (six days ago) link

I was hoping her live Chris Isaak cover would be from Forever Blue or something but I looked it up and nope, Wicked Game.

Chris L, Thursday, 17 October 2019 19:56 (six days ago) link

The production on venice beach is so engrossing

treeship., Thursday, 17 October 2019 22:18 (six days ago) link

Venice Bitch, sorry

treeship., Thursday, 17 October 2019 22:19 (six days ago) link

The album seems kind of lost in time, which makes me like it more. So much atmosphere, so many layers, even hising behind the Lana del Rey construct, feels like an older lind kf idea about postmodernism, when ennui was thought to be the worst thing about late capitalism, like the album exists inside a Don DeLillo novel or something or maybe just 2009.

treeship., Thursday, 17 October 2019 22:22 (six days ago) link

Like, the nostalgia isn’t for the period she allegedly evokes, but for the period when people were nostalgic about that.

treeship., Thursday, 17 October 2019 22:25 (six days ago) link

Wait she said earlier in this album cycle that she didn’t hbe a “persona”? Sry i missed this.

Interesting.

treeship., Thursday, 17 October 2019 22:31 (six days ago) link

fake it so real i am beyond fake

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 17 October 2019 22:35 (six days ago) link

“If he’s a serial killer then what’s the worst that could happen to a girl whose already hurt? I’m already hurt.”

There’s no irony in this? It’s not playing with the idea of lana del rey and archetypes of femininity? It’s not provocative?

treeship., Thursday, 17 October 2019 22:39 (six days ago) link

Come on lana

treeship., Thursday, 17 October 2019 22:39 (six days ago) link

treesh

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 17 October 2019 22:41 (six days ago) link

lol so I hate the album now right?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 17 October 2019 22:41 (six days ago) link

*U not I

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 17 October 2019 22:42 (six days ago) link

No it’s fine. I’m just confused about what kind of art pop this is.

treeship., Thursday, 17 October 2019 22:44 (six days ago) link

giving this threadbump 5 bags of popcorn and a web browser full of lana del rey interviews

imago, Thursday, 17 October 2019 22:45 (six days ago) link

It’s just funny watching you go through diving into the record and then getting to the interview and backlash in real time itt

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 17 October 2019 22:47 (six days ago) link

Isn't this what Facebook and Twitter are for?

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 October 2019 22:51 (six days ago) link

i mean maybe i'm the only one but i find her statement about persona both objectively falsifiable and completely truthful.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 17 October 2019 22:54 (six days ago) link

Maybe Father John Misty can clear this up!

“There’s something innately false about performance. I wanted to be authentically bogus rather than bogusly authentic.”

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 17 October 2019 22:55 (six days ago) link

Thats good. And yeah, i dont think there is authwnticity on the one hand and “persona” on the other

treeship., Thursday, 17 October 2019 22:56 (six days ago) link


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