The accompanying tableau is something else:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emasculation
― pomenitul, Monday, 1 February 2021 20:30 (three years ago) link
ok folks i've cut off my penis and testicles. what next?
Write a symphonic pop suite, duh.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 1 February 2021 20:31 (three years ago) link
You could call it, "When They Go Low, We Go High."
or learn to juggle
― Evan, Monday, 1 February 2021 20:32 (three years ago) link
lol Josh
― pomenitul, Monday, 1 February 2021 20:32 (three years ago) link
They say I got brainsBut they ain't doing me no goodI wish they couldEach time things start to happen againI think I got something good goin' for myselfBut what goes wrongSometimes I feel very sadddd
― A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 1 February 2021 20:34 (three years ago) link
Basic biology says you cut off the testicles, not the penis.
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Monday, February 1, 2021 3:18 PM bookmarkflaglink
Yes, afaict the penis was only cut off when mistakes were made during a performance
― Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Monday, 1 February 2021 20:39 (three years ago) link
I fucking hate the shit out of 'Wouldn't It Be Nice'.
Tempo fluctuations are masterful on that track, the percussion alone justifies the hype imo
'No Surprises' is a direct reference to the little intro riff, isn't it? There's quite a lot of Pet Sounds homage on Ok Computer. Heh >:)
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Monday, 1 February 2021 21:01 (three years ago) link
There's plenty to like about the album from a technical standpoint, but the way it's deployed is a complete and utter waste. I don't begrudge bands that took their cues from PS's more innovative facets, I just can't deal with its jejune tone.
― pomenitul, Monday, 1 February 2021 21:06 (three years ago) link
Things I found out relatively recently: cutting off one or both knackers is called an orchidectomy.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Monday, 1 February 2021 21:11 (three years ago) link
I figured orchidectomy might be an ilx-whack but no - an imago post from 2015:
When we started, we were teenagers, fucking around and just learning to play, but we quickly learned the techniques we needed to create our vision, inspired by tons of sick bands like Infested Blood, Brodequin, Pustulated, Bound and Gagged, Orchidectomy, Amputated Genitals, Urinary Tract Infection From Severe Pus Clots, Guttural Secrete, Foetopsy, Anal Birth, Liturgy, Haemotodipsomania, Paracoccidioidomicosisproctitissarcomucosis, Wormed, Last Days Of Humanity, blah blah blah.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Monday, 1 February 2021 21:16 (three years ago) link
pom, it kinda sounds like you're diminishing pet sounds for being a pop album that's about the stuff that pop albums are usually about
― tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Monday, 1 February 2021 21:21 (three years ago) link
i was singing along to “rooster” by Alice In Chains the other week and i was sounding the best when I sung in really really high voice, like a Mr Bill voice
― brimstead, Monday, 1 February 2021 21:22 (three years ago) link
if you can't just like pet sounds on a gut level it's not for you. n.b. i loved pet sounds at a young age but didn't care for very much "twee indie" that was supposedly inspired by it. the lyrics aren't jejune, they're direct and powerful. they have resonance. if they aren't reaching you, you're far from them, and that's ok. "wouldn't it be nice" is a queer anthem if you ask me.
― Joses Chrust (map), Monday, 1 February 2021 21:25 (three years ago) link
A puerile atmosphere is hardly a staple of all pop, thank Christ. I think I just despise kiddie music, whether self-conscious or not. See also: bubblegum bass, which has got to be the worst recent musical trend.
― pomenitul, Monday, 1 February 2021 21:26 (three years ago) link
you dislike kiddie music, but you like "sloop john b," which is the only song on the record that really merits that description
― tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Monday, 1 February 2021 21:28 (three years ago) link
I hate it less than the others because it's folk music.
― pomenitul, Monday, 1 February 2021 21:28 (three years ago) link
I'm working on a book with someone who underwent an orchidectomy. Under local anesthesia.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 1 February 2021 21:33 (three years ago) link
haha i thought that said "about someone" instead of "with someone" for a second
― Joses Chrust (map), Monday, 1 February 2021 21:44 (three years ago) link
A puerile atmosphere is hardly a staple of all pop, thank Christ.
I would argue that it is.
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Monday, 1 February 2021 21:45 (three years ago) link
If you work with the broadest possible definition of 'puerile', sure, it's a defensible take.
― pomenitul, Monday, 1 February 2021 21:47 (three years ago) link
You know, there's something castrato-esque about the Beach Boys's vocal harmonies.
One of Brian's recurring hang-ups was that people might think singing so high was unmanly.
― Waterloo Subset (Tom D.), Monday, 1 February 2021 21:47 (three years ago) link
I don't think you need to get broader than "childishly silly or trivial", which for good or ill describes a large amount of pop music
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Monday, 1 February 2021 21:50 (three years ago) link
A large amount, yeah, no doubt about it.
― pomenitul, Monday, 1 February 2021 21:52 (three years ago) link
in the case of "wouldn't it be nice," which is about the ache of wanting to always have love - if that's childish subject matter then i don't want "adult" music.
― Joses Chrust (map), Monday, 1 February 2021 21:52 (three years ago) link
I have no bone to pick with the sentiment itself, but the way it's musically expressed in that song makes me want to retch, sorry.
― pomenitul, Monday, 1 February 2021 21:54 (three years ago) link
just chiming in to say that pet sounds is overrated, but still kinda good. i prefer to listen to the accapella version these days.
brian's 2004 SMiLE is amazing and my preferred version of the album.
in the imagination of a child, all music is children's music. that is all.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 1 February 2021 22:01 (three years ago) link
Fwiw I very much agree with this and am for child-like rather than childish music – an admittedly fragile distinction.
― pomenitul, Monday, 1 February 2021 22:03 (three years ago) link
Is it controversial to suggest that Mike Love is an important element of the Beach Boys presentation, in that he adds an element of adult calculation and cynicism?
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 1 February 2021 22:05 (three years ago) link
Actually, my very first impression on hearing Pet Sounds was that it's way more emotionally sophisticated- mature even- than whatever else I was listening to at that time (probably OK computer, funnily enough).
The "kiddie" element is fairly superficial imo, if anything it's disarming. I've walked around the San Diego Zoo with PS playing in my headphones and felt much closer to it listening in my bedroom. I mean, it's introspective to the point of being self-absorbed at times.
I don't know what jejune means, even after googling. But... the lyrics are really abstract, really not a lot of specific, concrete imagery for sure. I wouldn't fault someone for saying they're a little plain, what's really neat imo is that the music provides all the visual detail, the bicycle bells etc, that you normally would get from the words which is an interesting and effective flip.
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Monday, 1 February 2021 22:13 (three years ago) link
Plus finger-guns.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 1 February 2021 22:13 (three years ago) link
Both; it's a memoir.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 1 February 2021 22:14 (three years ago) link
is "incel rock" a fake genre i'm gonna have to hear about now or can we cut it out as of today
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, February 1, 2021 1:30 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
i guess it fits "add it up" by the violent femmes
― tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Monday, February 1, 2021 1:31 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
Not unless the meaning of "incel" is stretched so broadly as to contain the whole landscape of male sexual frustration -- in my view it properly refers to a frustrated sense of sexual *entitlement* curdling into bitterness. Writing "Add It Up" and rocking out with your fellow lonely frustrated bros is an act of fellowship, it's what you do INSTEAD of becoming an incel.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 1 February 2021 22:21 (three years ago) link
Another way to put it: "Why can't I get just one fuck" is a rhetorical question, not a question whose implicit answer is "because women are evil and only want Chad"
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 1 February 2021 22:22 (three years ago) link
Fwiw I very much agree with this and am for child-like rather than childish music – an admittedly fragile distinction.― pomenitul, Monday, February 1, 2021 2:03 PM
― pomenitul, Monday, February 1, 2021 2:03 PM
but i know exactly what you mean — and i agree.
again using mike love as the example: mature package, childish contents. i would say that pet sounds itself is kind of the exact opposite of that: childish package, mature contents.
RE: the "incel" angle — just, no. that word has become abused, much in the same sense of how "stan" was co-opted from "annoying super fan" into "mindless and unintelligent." and besides, in the 60s actual incels were creating and lobbying for prog rock. yes: shots fired. it's what i do and this is the topic for it.
good discussion in here today.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 1 February 2021 22:26 (three years ago) link
hah true, it is indeed a song about being "involuntarily celibate" but not in a way that fits the philosophy of that particularly toxic online subculture
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― tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Monday, 1 February 2021 22:27 (three years ago) link
using mike love as the example: mature package
Idk :)
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Monday, 1 February 2021 22:28 (three years ago) link
in the 60s actual incels were creating and lobbying for prog rock. yes: shots fired. it's what i do and this is the topic for it.
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― pomenitul, Monday, 1 February 2021 22:29 (three years ago) link
The Modern Lovers' "I'm Straight" always struck me as the perfect "self-proclaimed nice guy is actually a total creep" song
― rob, Monday, 1 February 2021 22:29 (three years ago) link
Surf's Up is rad but in my (controversial) opinion it's Carl who's really bringing the heat (Feel FLows, Long Promised Road).
Though obviously the title track remains one of the finest things they did
― Washington Generals D-League affiliate (will), Monday, 1 February 2021 22:30 (three years ago) link
'Pablo Picasso' also seems relevant here.
― pomenitul, Monday, 1 February 2021 22:31 (three years ago) link
pomenitul at 4:29 1 Feb 21in the 60s actual incels were creating and lobbying for prog rock. yes: shots fired. it's what i do and this is the topic for it.popcorn.gifPlease expand.I bet prog rock bands partied like everyone else, all this is now is some word to project on to music you don't likemore and more I think that Kogan theory that we have gut reactions to music then make up the reasons later is pretty much correct
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 1 February 2021 22:37 (three years ago) link
modern lovers is incel rock for sure. maybe not militant incel rock. but he's definitely planting some seeds there for sure. that's also an overrated but still listenable album.
as far as my prog thing, enh. a bit hyperbole maybe, but today's neckbeards are just yesterday's rabid genesis fans. i wasn't a person in 1975, but i can say 100% for certain that there were more than a few trench coats and fedoras worn to king crimson gigs. of course the bands partied hard — the fans would have too, had they been given the opportunity.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 1 February 2021 22:42 (three years ago) link
more and more I think that Kogan theory that we have gut reactions to music then make up the reasons later is pretty much correct
There's quite a bit of truth to that but gut reactions don't come out of nowhere. We're reacting to something in the music, even if the spectrum of responses is mind-bogglingly broad.
― pomenitul, Monday, 1 February 2021 22:45 (three years ago) link
gut reactions don't come out of nowhere. We're reacting to something in the music
getting far afield from pet sounds but as a general principle I'd say gut reactions very frequently come out of nowhere, and even when they come from somewhere, it's often from your own interior and isn't related to its ostensible outside referent
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 1 February 2021 23:00 (three years ago) link
tr33ship has a whole thing on this; I think we debated it on the thread devoted to this topic (songs where the singer is supposedly coming off as a creep).
― excuse me while I fold my pants (morrisp), Monday, 1 February 2021 23:02 (three years ago) link
or actually I think his thing was about the song "Hospital"
― excuse me while I fold my pants (morrisp), Monday, 1 February 2021 23:03 (three years ago) link
Nah, that's borderline solipsism. I think the range of possible responses is so wide that we tend to assume it could be literally anything, but that's not quite true, strictly speaking. Music is more than a Rorschach test imo.
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― pomenitul, Monday, 1 February 2021 23:05 (three years ago) link
xpHospital discussion rings a bell.
I think where I differ with a lot of "I'm Straight" takes is when I first heard it I assumed the point of the song was to mock the narrator (the bit where he begrudgingly pretends to also like Hippie Johnny cracks me up, his neuroses are so transparent), and no amount of learning about Richman will ever dislodge that interpretation from my brain.
― rob, Monday, 1 February 2021 23:07 (three years ago) link
xp It's not nothin. And you already related all this to a hatred of "kiddie" music that could go back to before you're aware. Let's explore!
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 1 February 2021 23:12 (three years ago) link