Post a controversial music opinion

Also, Phil's opinion is wrong because some of the best bands only put out one album

though I would argue that Adam & the Ants 1st album wasn't their best, but partly because the Demos were better

My controversial opinion: Adam & the Ants was a better band than The Clash

About the Clash's 1st album not being their best...

Also, Phil's opinion is wrong because some of the best bands only put out one album

Controversial opinion: Bands that only put out one album suck. I'm not gonna sit here all day worrying about it, but off the top of my head I can't think of a single (rock/metal) band that only put out one album that I give a shit about. All the bands I like have exhibited some degree of longevity.

My controversial opinion: Adam & the Ants was a better band than The Clash

Good lord.

I can't think of a single (rock/metal) band that only put out one album that I give a shit about.

that's because you suck.

Modern Lovers

Modern Lovers

Sucked.

Haha ok

>:(

Modern Lovers sucking is def. controversial and wrong

They're what I think of as "well poisoners": not only did they suck, but they inspired dozens if not hundreds of other bands to suck, too!

not only did they suck, but they inspired dozens if not hundreds of other bands to suck, too!

also known as "The Nirvana Paradox"

xp You’re gonna have to show your work here, sir...

In one of those four-panel, expanding-brain memes, from the top (walnut brain) it goes: Pearl jam rocks; Pearl jam sucks; Pearl jam rocks; Pearl jam sucks

are there any good bands that didn't inspire a bunch of shitty bands?

and yet they still suck

re: modern lovers

unperson otm about poisoning the well and PP the nirvana paradox is a great name for that. Mac DeMarco a culprit

Explain why the Modern Lovers suck

Two words: Jonathan Richman.

His singing? Lyrics? Voice?

Xp. So wrong. Additionally it answers nothing. What is your problem with him? He is one of the funniest and nicest rock musicians. Such a strong presence and so charming. One of the best live acts around.

His singing? Lyrics? Voice?

Yes on all three counts. His supposedly endearing awkwardness rubs me the wrong way – there's no edge to it. I still like 'Roadrunner', though.

plenty of great bands that put out one album - or no albums! a good band is lightning in a bottle and most of them don't last. but feel free to piss on the united states of america if it'll make you happy

xp
He was a young guy in the ‘70s who still loved the ‘50s, he still loved the Old World

The Modern Lovers are terrific rock ‘n roll
songs sung by a guy who sounds like a normal person (instead of a rock star) and who had real personality and an interesting p.o.v. I’m super thankful, they existed and inspired what they inspired...

I can see why people wouldn't like him though.

morrisp otm

I've been quoting "Pablo Picasso" all week

All of Tom Scholz's solos sound the fucking same

The modern lovers totally had an “edge” but it doesn’t seem like one you all would like.

“Hospital” is an extremely creepy ballad of a man obsessed—passively aggressively putting down a drug addicted young women for her unhealthy decisions and setting himself up as a kind of savior... but it’s obvious he only cares about her insofar as he wants to be with her. “Nice guy syndrome to the max.”

Similar types of bitterness run throughout the album. Even “pablo picasso” is kind of like a complaint that all the cool guys get to harass women and he can’t. His pining for the “old world” can easily be seen in this vein as well—a kind of prefigure of the current MRA fetishization of a world before feminism. He doesn’t lay it out but looking at the album as a whole he definitely sees himself as a kind of doeky guy who doesn’t really cut it in the “new world” of sexual liberation.

More musicians should shit on their fans

I don’t think the presence of these uncomfortable themes make the album “bad” as I don’t need my music to align with my morality (to a point—there is still a line). It’s actually weirdly psychologically convincing—the catcher in the rye of proto punk or whatever genre it is.

Self xp

He’s not complaining that he doesn’t get to harass women; he’s trying to teach a lesson to creeps who do:

Oh well be not schmuck, be not obnoxious
Be not bellbottom bummer or asshole
Remember the story of Pablo Picasso

I also don’t read “Hospital” at all the way you do

When you get out of the hospital
Let me back into your life

idk man

it's not the time to be making romantic overtures

And when you get out of the dating bar
I'll be here to get back into your life

this is a song told from the perspective of a stalker.

I can't stand what you do
I'm in love with your eyes
Oh, I can't stand what you do
Sometimes I can't stand you

also the "story of pablo picasso" is that he could get away with trawling for girls, "not like you"

i'm not saying this is a horrible, evil album. i'm just saying the narrator of these songs isn't as much of a forrest gump type as he likes to think he is.

yes the ambiguity around the narrator's right-on-ness or lack of it is what gives those songs their depth of meaning iirc

yeah i think so. i don't think the album would have really broken through with the cool kids of the late 70s if there wasn't more to it than the kind of boppy nostalgia quality you get from the surface

modern lovers a persanolity band if there ever was one. anyways the guys a total gentleman, treeship calling him an mra is very impressive trolling tho

no way. this is yet another case of me being correct.

I think it’s the perspective of a young guy being hella emo
(xxp)

sure but hella emo guys with obsessive tendencies and many insecurities can often behave in damaging ways while still viewing themselves as the innocent party. i said this was the "catcher in the rye" of proto-punk albums, not the "american psycho"

in his best songs j richman is both scribbling "fuck you" and crossing it out at the same time which makes his music more interesting than either of those books

rock songs should never be written from an interesting, complex perspective