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yes, said (Ross), Friday, 7 September 2018 15:49 (two years ago) link

Troye Sivan is a better guitarist than Jimmy Page.

The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 September 2018 15:53 (two years ago) link

LOL

dig me out requiem (Ross), Friday, 7 September 2018 15:55 (two years ago) link

there are more chords, key changes, and tempo changes in The Beths' "Future Hates Me" than there are in the Cardiacs' entire discography

ilxor-com-dog-meat-drawer-7-840-x-600.jpg (unregistered), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:07 (two years ago) link

king sucks

dig me out requiem (Ross), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:13 (two years ago) link

I don't want to think about this, fortunately I made a bot for it. let's see what it comes up with:

"Is This It is the sonic equivalent of ghosting."

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:17 (two years ago) link

There were, at minimum, a couple dozen albums released in '67 which are better than Sgt. Pepper.

I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:23 (two years ago) link

That's not controversial.

Scottish Country Tweerking (Tom D.), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:26 (two years ago) link

R.E.M. is actually really boring

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 16:27 (two years ago) link

wow, thread finally delivers

Chesapeake Bae (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:29 (two years ago) link

I liked R.E.M. a lot in high school and they are all smart, nice guys with good taste but man, I just never want to listen to them anymore. Somewhere around Monster I lost all interest. the limited guitar playing and lack of sonic depth, the boring arrangements, the mewling vocals, the poor production choices and terrible mandolin playing and clunky videos, their catalog feels very inert to me.

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 16:35 (two years ago) link

like at best I can muster a "yeah that song's okay" for a number of tracks. but a whole album? ew, just never in the mood.

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 16:35 (two years ago) link

Most bands are boring tbh

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:41 (two years ago) link

all bands are excellent

coetzee.cx (wins), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:43 (two years ago) link

^^^^

Scottish Country Tweerking (Tom D.), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:47 (two years ago) link

rt

princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:48 (two years ago) link

not all bands

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 16:55 (two years ago) link

bandsplaining

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:58 (two years ago) link

All duos are terrible.

I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:00 (two years ago) link

All bands except R.E.M. are excellent

Evan, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:00 (two years ago) link

more like blands amirite

strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:01 (two years ago) link

Any musician who has not experienced - I do not say understood, but truly experienced - the necessity of dodecaphonic music is USELESS.

pomenitul, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:02 (two years ago) link

I feel like the Eagles worm has been turning for years now, but still no one is ready to say the Eagles are good. Until now folks. The Eagles are Pretty Good

strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:03 (two years ago) link

All duos are terrible.


smh

ACAB (all combos are bands)

coetzee.cx (wins), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:06 (two years ago) link

All solo artists are cowards.

I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:10 (two years ago) link

lol

princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:11 (two years ago) link

All trios are Norwegian.

I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:11 (two years ago) link

All ILM posters are liars

jmm, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:12 (two years ago) link

I feel like the Eagles worm has been turning for years now, but still no one is ready to say the Eagles are good. Until now folks. The Eagles are Pretty Good

― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, September 7, 2018 1:03 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I have a constantly running loop of that lebowski clip in my head, but never more than last night when I was in a duane reade after hell commute that was playing take it easy

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:13 (two years ago) link

jmm otm

Evan, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:14 (two years ago) link

I feel like the Eagles worm has been turning for years now, but still no one is ready to say the Eagles are good. Until now folks. The Eagles are Pretty Good

― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, September 7, 2018 10:03 AM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"i can't tell you why" is an amazing song but i can't join you here just yet

princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:15 (two years ago) link

the eagles are good

i can't tell you why is really good

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:36 (two years ago) link

other eagles songs i like: hotel california, new kid in town, try and love again, take it easy, peaceful easy feeling, witchy woman

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:38 (two years ago) link

The High Llamas were (are?) a million times better than their 'parents', the Beach Boys.

Daniel Giraffe, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:49 (two years ago) link

that's not controversial, it's just wrong

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:50 (two years ago) link

the only good Beach Boy was/is Mike Love.

omar little, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:51 (two years ago) link

High Llamas relationship to the Beach Boys was always tangential at best (and related to a very brief period/narrow slice of their catalog) and was way over-emphasized in their press materials.

I would take even the low points of M.I.U. over the High Llamas tbh

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:52 (two years ago) link

No artist at all has a "New Jersey" - a huge event album that ultimately feels a bit hollow & signals a career decline

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:53 (two years ago) link

You could say that about any band that has the opportunity to develop someone else's idea further, if it works for you.

xps

Evan, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:53 (two years ago) link

There are a bunch of good Eagles songs. Every one of them was released as a single, so a compilation is all you need. There's not one Eagles album worth listening to all the way through. The Long Run comes closest.

The Beach Boys have, like, two good songs ("Good Vibrations" and "Don't Worry Baby"), and I could happily go the rest of my life without hearing either one of them ever again.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:53 (two years ago) link

Can't think of any.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:54 (two years ago) link

Black metal sucks. Even the "good" stuff is bad enough that it's worth handing the whole genre over to the Nazis and walking away. Let 'em have it.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:56 (two years ago) link

Does it have to be a controversial opinion that we actually hold or are we allowed to just say something we think might wind people up?

Daniel Giraffe, Friday, 7 September 2018 18:00 (two years ago) link

Saying a band or genre you don't like sucks isn't controversial or even a wind-up tbh.

everything, Friday, 7 September 2018 18:01 (two years ago) link

that late-90s Brian Wilson worship was so tiresome

strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:03 (two years ago) link

Counterpoint: at a Silver Jews show, D. Berman did a sneering routine of saying, "What's the big deal with Brian Wilson? He's so overrated," etc.; which was equally annoying.

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:05 (two years ago) link

It could have been John Prine who wrote "Margaritaville."

Pesto Mindset (Eazy), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:09 (two years ago) link

Here's an (actually held) controversial opinion: while I've been into the Silver Jews since I first ran across "The Arizona Record" (filed under Pavement on a rack), and I think they have some terrific records, I also think Berman is significantly overvalued as a lyricist by most fans. He has some good one-liners, but his lyrics tend to be strings of "clever" non-sequiturs that only sometimes land. He's seen as some kind of rock poet.

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:10 (two years ago) link

I feel like the Eagles worm has been turning for years now, but still no one is ready to say the Eagles are good. Until now folks. The Eagles are Pretty Good

― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, September 7, 2018 10:03 AM

We have a daily listening thread that'll prove you wrong.

The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:16 (two years ago) link

you could make a dud list for most anybody

strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:18 (two years ago) link

I think I would rather go clubbing in the 80s

rumpy riser (ogmor), Monday, 3 August 2020 23:48 (one month ago) link

You could fuck a guy and die!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 August 2020 23:49 (one month ago) link

sad lol

pomenitul, Monday, 3 August 2020 23:51 (one month ago) link

What about Aaliyah, Mary J. Blige, Babyface, Janet Jackson, Notorious BIG, and Missy Elliott? An extraordinary R&B and hip-hop era!

I'll concede it was a golden age for rap and r&b, but in the case of the former the most innovative shit (Native Tongues, Nas, Main Source, Hieroglyphics, Hit Squad, etc etc etc) all took place in the first half of the decade, with many carrying over from the 80s (PE, BDP, Ultramagnetic MCs). After 94 or 95, my prevailing memory of the decade is Puffy and Faith Evans

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 3 August 2020 23:52 (one month ago) link

Like, I'm not sure how many people a decade older than me - who "came of age" in the '80s - are really into Pavement; I get the sense that Pavement are too derivative for the crowd that came up with SST bands, Husker Du, etc. in the '80s. (The Pavement guys themselves are that age, of course.)


Really? Pavement were touted in the early 90s as being more Fall derivative I thought. I was into the SST bands and the Fall before and Pavement never clicked with me apart from a few songs. Maybe that’s why.

Boring, Maryland, Monday, 3 August 2020 23:52 (one month ago) link

I think we shouldn't think of "innovative" as a yardstick imo, especially since it's an adjective most often applied retroactively.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 August 2020 23:52 (one month ago) link

and how were Missy Elliott, Blige, Aaliyah, etc NOT innovative? As outgrowths of rap-influenced R&B, they sounded like nothing before the Teddy Riley productions of the late eighties.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 August 2020 23:53 (one month ago) link

can't argue with objective opinion

À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 August 2020 23:54 (one month ago) link

I'm going try an 19th century style diet of found-on-teh-pavement-next-to-dogshit festering maggot bacon and raw cabbage & liquorice to see if explosive farts smelled much better back then as well..... -=≡~ξ-_-*) yeah they did!

calzino, Monday, 3 August 2020 23:57 (one month ago) link

Scott Miller was a v clever man but he's always struck me as not understanding exactly what made his own music so good - he was always much more original than he thought he was

imago, Monday, 3 August 2020 23:58 (one month ago) link

numerology is for feebs; go 66-75, 76-85, 86-95 or go home

rumpy riser (ogmor), Monday, 3 August 2020 23:59 (one month ago) link

I'm going try an 19th century style diet of found-on-teh-pavement-next-to-dogshit festering maggot bacon and raw cabbage & liquorice to see if explosive farts smelled much better back then as well..... -=≡~ξ-_-*) yeah they did!

If you've never caught so much as a whiff of a pleasant fragrance, they most certainly did!

pomenitul, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:00 (one month ago) link

originality = booshit
algebra = booshit
(controversial) opinions = booshit
innovation = oh god gak

À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:01 (one month ago) link

numerology is for feebs; go 66-75, 76-85, 86-95 or go home

Either you're gerrymandering or current periodizations are already gerrymandered (inclined towards the latter hypothesis myself).

pomenitul, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:02 (one month ago) link

what non-gerrymandered taxonomy is there also who cares, i just think those periods are more coherent

rumpy riser (ogmor), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:10 (one month ago) link

Platonic taxonomy or bust

À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:13 (one month ago) link

How about 66-76 (Aristocracy), 77-89 (Timocracy), 90-00 (Oligarchy), 01-09, (Democracy), 10-20 (Tyranny)?

pomenitul, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:14 (one month ago) link

I love music

brimstead, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:15 (one month ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJZHm5_i1vI

pomenitul, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:16 (one month ago) link

2006 Steve Sinton Tomáš Bureš Olga Tikhonova Silvia Finocchi Ferreira
2007 Orazio Salvatori Orazio Salvatori Alina Popa Andrea Carvalho
2008 Alessandro Savi Lionel Beyeke Vivian Hijikema Maria Stukova
2009 Mahadev Deka Martin Kasal Larissa Cunha Dora Rodrigues
2010 Charles Mario Miha Zupan Valentyna Yefyemchuk Flora Conte

À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:21 (one month ago) link

xxp I definitely fall into the category of someone who grew up buying into the "80's sucked" ethos, however looking back and having a lot more knowledge of what came out during that era, I can firmly pinpoint my dislike on production and mixing fads and early digital technology being overused to a fault. Gated reverb, a renewed emphasis on upper midrange and high frequencies when mixing, near ubiquitous bass roll off after 1984, a new wave of digital FX, the way (non-punk/hardcore) distorted guitars were recorded and mixed, pre-emphasized CDs, etc.

Also the decade has two distinct flavors, the first being 80-84, which had a ton of great R&B, late disco and hybrid funk and other weird shit that retains some of that bass warmth of the 70's and groove while exhibiting some crisper arrangements and more forward thinking sounds (see Megatron Man, Computer World, The Dreaming, Straight from the Heart, etc etc).

85-90 is the second, and even after hearing a ton of things I like from this era, I still think it's one of the least interesting eras for studio albums. The club scene from this period however must have been lit, and that is where all the bass went, as it was certainly not found in the recordings. This production trend persists a few years into the 90's until maybe 92/93 when frequencies below 200hz start to make a comeback thanks to rap and house/techno making its way outside the club and onto the charts more. In fact I can think of very few fairly mainstream records from 85-89 where the production feels "timeless" like, say Talk Talk. Maybe Hounds of Love? I'm sure there's others, but it feels few and far between.

That said, the ideas expressed in the 80's, the influence of queer culture, the excitement of new sounds and genres being born or in their infancy (rap/hip hop, new jack swing, house, techno, hardcore, shoegazer, industrial music, dancehall) all make the decade something to be celebrated. I just wish it sounded better, but the 90's basically did that - refined those genres into polished gems.

octobeard, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:23 (one month ago) link

numerology is for feebs; go 66-75, 76-85, 86-95 or go home

― rumpy riser (ogmor), Monday, August 3, 2020 6:59 PM (eighteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

otm.

mozzy star (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:24 (one month ago) link

*bullshit alert* I feel sometimes like us nerds want pop music to have the same uhhh epistemological structure as sports or science or something but it ends up all boring subtanceless theology-y

brimstead, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:26 (one month ago) link

Tbf everything is boring substanceless theology.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:27 (one month ago) link

aw pom your mom doesn't make me think of theology at all

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:29 (one month ago) link

Theology comes in many shapes and sizes, Simon.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:30 (one month ago) link

some impressively sinewy and ripped posts itt tonight!

calzino, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:32 (one month ago) link

flatten the theology curve

XVI Pedicabo eam (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:33 (one month ago) link

theology, like all thought, is a mirror that judges the voyeur

religion is not on trial

À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:33 (one month ago) link

Just because there's no substance to it doesn't mean it lacks form amirite.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:34 (one month ago) link

enforcing the fairytale atmosphere by having the children and animals privy to a magical world denied to the adults

À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:35 (one month ago) link

some impressively sinewy and ripped posts itt tonight!

― calzino, Monday, August 3, 2020 8:

Music is the new gay thread

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:41 (one month ago) link

My 80s are Prince and Def Leppard and Chaka Khan and Bowie and Michael Jackson and the Clash and Steel Pulse and the Stones and Madonna and Kool & the Gang and the Police and Modern English and DeBarge and Cyndi and Thomas Dolby and Sparks and the GoGos and Peter Tosh and Bruce Springsteen and the Psychedelic Furs and Joan Armatrading and Dexy and Van Halen and Lionel Richie and Howard Jones and Wham and the Pogues and Whitney Houston and Journey and OMD and Joan Jett and Weird Al and Til Tuesday and Simple Minds and Terence Trent D'Arby and Cameo and Tears for Fears and Morris Day.

If you want to conflate all that into "DX7s and gated reverb" be my guest, but it looks like a decent panoply of sounds and musical concepts to me.

we slept on the banks on the leaves of a banyan tree (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 01:05 (one month ago) link

I get the sense that Pavement are too derivative for the crowd that came up with SST bands, Husker Du, etc. in the '80s

I think this describes me. I liked and *saw* many of the SST bands (as well as the Fall) but I just couldn't relate to Pavement - not sure whether if it was their "derivativeness" or their vibe or their feel... It could be just that I was a teenager going to SST shows but was 22 or so when I first heard Pavement, so maybe had different tastes by then or a different mindset.

I simultaneously believe that the '80s were a great decade for music and that there were long stretches of it when it was really boring to listen to Top 40 radio. Underground/club stuff always fun though. Even though I love freestyle - mostly a post-'84 trend - I agree with the notion that '80-'84 had more appealing grooves before production got all cluttered.

Josefa, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 01:16 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

I have no idea whether this is controversial or not but when I'm listening to ambient music nothing turns me off more than spoken word passages.

pomenitul, Monday, 14 September 2020 16:21 (one week ago) link

avoid anything on Fax records (aka some of the greatest ambient music ever made)

But I feel your pain because this is me w/ jazz

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 14 September 2020 16:31 (one week ago) link

I'm like that with jazz too, barring a couple of exceptions (Matana Roberts, for instance).

pomenitul, Monday, 14 September 2020 16:35 (one week ago) link

Yeah agree about Matana, she can do no wrong tbh

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 14 September 2020 16:35 (one week ago) link

agree except if it's words in a language I don't understand. then it's ~mysterious~.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 14 September 2020 16:42 (one week ago) link

Mostly agree, except if it's done supremely well, a la Robert Ashley,

And having said that, there's a moment if I'm playing a podcast and switch apps to play music, when the two crossover and I have an experience of what I understand as pure ASMR - to the point where, if I'm driving, I'll almost have to pull over. Weird.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Monday, 14 September 2020 16:46 (one week ago) link

That should have been 'but having said that...'

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Monday, 14 September 2020 16:47 (one week ago) link

Disagree, particularly if there are samples involved, I dig it. CF. Bill Nelson - Sleeplessness

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 14 September 2020 17:18 (one week ago) link

Samples do make it more bearable, but it's still a nope from me 99% of the time. Basically any bits of intelligible speech are too much, unless we're talking about a brief interlude (e.g. the amusingly bizarre intrusion of 'toujours humecter la mouture, toujours', cribbed from 37° 2 le matin aka Betty Blue, on Stars of the Lid's ...and Their Refinement of the Decline).

pomenitul, Monday, 14 September 2020 18:53 (one week ago) link

The Pulitzer Prize for DAMN. should have at the least been divided between all of the credited composers on the album, if not the producers as well.

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Monday, 14 September 2020 18:59 (one week ago) link

kind of agree on vocal jazz. never really been able to get down with it, as it honestly sounds kind of corny to me. even including folks like ella and billie. i respect it, but given a choice, i'm going with instrumentals 100% of the time.

same re:spoken parts in ambient music. great way to ruin it.

my challop for the day: there never has been, and there never will be, a time when electric blues is more appealing than acoustic blues. especially on studio recordings.

also xpost sund4r: that's a valid point, but the same could be made about a lot of pulizter and nobel prize winners. everyone's got their respective "tribes."

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 14 September 2020 19:04 (one week ago) link

I don't think it could be said of most Pulitzer winners in music, no: there is usually one credited composer for the pieces that win most years. Unless you mean librettists should share in the award when it is given to an opera or that e.g. Ornette's band should have shared his award, both of which I would consider valid.

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Monday, 14 September 2020 19:08 (one week ago) link

The Seattle Symphony/Ludovic Morlot's performance of John Luther Adams's Become Ocean feels less integral to the piece's success than the quasi ghostwriters behind DAMN..

xp yep

pomenitul, Monday, 14 September 2020 19:11 (one week ago) link

If the academy is to expand the definition of "distinguished composition", they also need to expand their definition of composition accordingly, if you catch my drift.

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Monday, 14 September 2020 19:16 (one week ago) link

Kendrick is a state of mind.

pomenitul, Monday, 14 September 2020 19:17 (one week ago) link

so is equally crediting those responsible for said state of mind.

ahh shit, i got us stuck in a feedback loop. sry.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 14 September 2020 19:26 (one week ago) link


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