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yes, said (Ross), Friday, 7 September 2018 15:49 (three years ago) link

Troye Sivan is a better guitarist than Jimmy Page.

The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 September 2018 15:53 (three years ago) link

LOL

dig me out requiem (Ross), Friday, 7 September 2018 15:55 (three years ago) link

there are more chords, key changes, and tempo changes in The Beths' "Future Hates Me" than there are in the Cardiacs' entire discography

ilxor-com-dog-meat-drawer-7-840-x-600.jpg (unregistered), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:07 (three years ago) link

king sucks

dig me out requiem (Ross), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:13 (three years ago) link

I don't want to think about this, fortunately I made a bot for it. let's see what it comes up with:

"Is This It is the sonic equivalent of ghosting."

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:17 (three years ago) link

There were, at minimum, a couple dozen albums released in '67 which are better than Sgt. Pepper.

I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:23 (three years ago) link

That's not controversial.

Scottish Country Tweerking (Tom D.), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:26 (three years ago) link

R.E.M. is actually really boring

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 16:27 (three years ago) link

wow, thread finally delivers

Chesapeake Bae (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:29 (three years ago) link

I liked R.E.M. a lot in high school and they are all smart, nice guys with good taste but man, I just never want to listen to them anymore. Somewhere around Monster I lost all interest. the limited guitar playing and lack of sonic depth, the boring arrangements, the mewling vocals, the poor production choices and terrible mandolin playing and clunky videos, their catalog feels very inert to me.

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 16:35 (three years ago) link

like at best I can muster a "yeah that song's okay" for a number of tracks. but a whole album? ew, just never in the mood.

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 16:35 (three years ago) link

Most bands are boring tbh

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:41 (three years ago) link

all bands are excellent

coetzee.cx (wins), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:43 (three years ago) link

^^^^

Scottish Country Tweerking (Tom D.), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:47 (three years ago) link

rt

princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:48 (three years ago) link

not all bands

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 16:55 (three years ago) link

bandsplaining

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:58 (three years ago) link

All duos are terrible.

I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:00 (three years ago) link

All bands except R.E.M. are excellent

Evan, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:00 (three years ago) link

more like blands amirite

strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:01 (three years ago) link

Any musician who has not experienced - I do not say understood, but truly experienced - the necessity of dodecaphonic music is USELESS.

pomenitul, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:02 (three years ago) link

I feel like the Eagles worm has been turning for years now, but still no one is ready to say the Eagles are good. Until now folks. The Eagles are Pretty Good

strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:03 (three years ago) link

All duos are terrible.


smh

ACAB (all combos are bands)

coetzee.cx (wins), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:06 (three years ago) link

All solo artists are cowards.

I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:10 (three years ago) link

lol

princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:11 (three years ago) link

All trios are Norwegian.

I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:11 (three years ago) link

All ILM posters are liars

jmm, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:12 (three years ago) link

I feel like the Eagles worm has been turning for years now, but still no one is ready to say the Eagles are good. Until now folks. The Eagles are Pretty Good

― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, September 7, 2018 1:03 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I have a constantly running loop of that lebowski clip in my head, but never more than last night when I was in a duane reade after hell commute that was playing take it easy

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:13 (three years ago) link

jmm otm

Evan, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:14 (three years ago) link

I feel like the Eagles worm has been turning for years now, but still no one is ready to say the Eagles are good. Until now folks. The Eagles are Pretty Good

― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, September 7, 2018 10:03 AM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"i can't tell you why" is an amazing song but i can't join you here just yet

princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:15 (three years ago) link

the eagles are good

i can't tell you why is really good

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:36 (three years ago) link

other eagles songs i like: hotel california, new kid in town, try and love again, take it easy, peaceful easy feeling, witchy woman

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:38 (three years ago) link

The High Llamas were (are?) a million times better than their 'parents', the Beach Boys.

Daniel Giraffe, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:49 (three years ago) link

that's not controversial, it's just wrong

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:50 (three years ago) link

the only good Beach Boy was/is Mike Love.

omar little, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:51 (three years ago) link

High Llamas relationship to the Beach Boys was always tangential at best (and related to a very brief period/narrow slice of their catalog) and was way over-emphasized in their press materials.

I would take even the low points of M.I.U. over the High Llamas tbh

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:52 (three years ago) link

No artist at all has a "New Jersey" - a huge event album that ultimately feels a bit hollow & signals a career decline

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:53 (three years ago) link

You could say that about any band that has the opportunity to develop someone else's idea further, if it works for you.

xps

Evan, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:53 (three years ago) link

There are a bunch of good Eagles songs. Every one of them was released as a single, so a compilation is all you need. There's not one Eagles album worth listening to all the way through. The Long Run comes closest.

The Beach Boys have, like, two good songs ("Good Vibrations" and "Don't Worry Baby"), and I could happily go the rest of my life without hearing either one of them ever again.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:53 (three years ago) link

Can't think of any.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:54 (three years ago) link

Black metal sucks. Even the "good" stuff is bad enough that it's worth handing the whole genre over to the Nazis and walking away. Let 'em have it.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:56 (three years ago) link

Does it have to be a controversial opinion that we actually hold or are we allowed to just say something we think might wind people up?

Daniel Giraffe, Friday, 7 September 2018 18:00 (three years ago) link

Saying a band or genre you don't like sucks isn't controversial or even a wind-up tbh.

everything, Friday, 7 September 2018 18:01 (three years ago) link

that late-90s Brian Wilson worship was so tiresome

strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:03 (three years ago) link

Counterpoint: at a Silver Jews show, D. Berman did a sneering routine of saying, "What's the big deal with Brian Wilson? He's so overrated," etc.; which was equally annoying.

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:05 (three years ago) link

It could have been John Prine who wrote "Margaritaville."

Pesto Mindset (Eazy), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:09 (three years ago) link

Here's an (actually held) controversial opinion: while I've been into the Silver Jews since I first ran across "The Arizona Record" (filed under Pavement on a rack), and I think they have some terrific records, I also think Berman is significantly overvalued as a lyricist by most fans. He has some good one-liners, but his lyrics tend to be strings of "clever" non-sequiturs that only sometimes land. He's seen as some kind of rock poet.

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:10 (three years ago) link

I feel like the Eagles worm has been turning for years now, but still no one is ready to say the Eagles are good. Until now folks. The Eagles are Pretty Good

― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, September 7, 2018 10:03 AM

We have a daily listening thread that'll prove you wrong.

The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:16 (three years ago) link

you could make a dud list for most anybody

strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:18 (three years ago) link

I'd take "Fallen Angel" over "The Night Watch", and "One More Red Nightmare" over "The Great Deceiver", but not by much.

Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 18 January 2022 14:10 (yesterday) link

Yeah, KC were definitely way better after Muir & Cross left. Cross's violin lines on LTiA and S&BB are just weedy and Muir's percussive freakouts add little.

Completely disagree with this. I definitely hear the connective threads between Islands and Larks, though. All the albums between Court and Larks (yes, even Earthbound now that it's been expanded) are well worth hearing and stand up well.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 14:14 (yesterday) link

Just one?

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 18 January 2022 15:32 (yesterday) link

the foo fighters really reached a new level of musicality in the 2010s

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 18 January 2022 16:41 (yesterday) link

doolittle is the closest but the second side is still a big step down from the first - "hey", "no. 13 baby" and "gouge away" are all fanastic but "mr. grieves", "crackity jones" and "there goes my gun" are all only fine and "la la love you" and "silver" (sorry kim but it's pretty far from your best) really shouldn't have made the album at all

Otm….this is where Pixies are QUIRKY rather than engaging ly offbeat

Standard Liege & Lief (Master of Treacle), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 16:44 (yesterday) link

Red probably my favourite KC album.

The sensual shock (Sund4r), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 16:46 (yesterday) link

jeez this went from "post a controp" to "discuss shitty inexplicably canonized music" real fast.

leo kottke is a better guitarist than robert fripp.

get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 17:06 (yesterday) link

Lol, praising the guitar chops of Leo Kottke is truly where controversy resides.

The sensual shock (Sund4r), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 17:10 (yesterday) link

just trying to get things back on track.

get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 17:12 (yesterday) link

"Crackity Jones" might be my favorite pixies track, though the version I prefer by far is the one off the "Death to the Pixies" live disc:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fUTzBbF69k

So much energy in a 1:35 track!

silverfish, Tuesday, 18 January 2022 17:13 (yesterday) link

trying to work out whether austin is really good or really bad at this thread

imago, Tuesday, 18 January 2022 17:14 (yesterday) link

also amazing live versions of Rock Music, Broken Face and Something Against You from that same live album, far superior to the studio versions in my controversial music opinion

silverfish, Tuesday, 18 January 2022 17:15 (yesterday) link

just trying to get things back on track.

OK but unperson's KC opinion actually was controversial, which is why discussion resulted. "Leo Kottke > Robert Fripp" is just a pointless apples and oranges. They're both highly accomplished and well-respected guitarists who do entirely different things.

The sensual shock (Sund4r), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 17:16 (yesterday) link

trying to work out whether austin is really good or really bad at this thread

― imago, Tuesday, January 18, 2022 9:14 AM

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sund4r i counter that king crimson's discography is pointless. now what?

get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 17:18 (yesterday) link

it seems completely obvious that side b of doolittle (except hey and gouge away) is markedly inferior, the controp would be that side b is in the same ballpark of quality yeah

imago, Tuesday, 18 January 2022 17:18 (yesterday) link

side b is my favorite part of doolittle

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 17:20 (yesterday) link

side b has "no. 13 baby" ffs

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 17:21 (yesterday) link

anyway i'll stop posting completely uncontroversial opinions

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 17:21 (yesterday) link

also austin if you post controversial opinions about shitty canonized music you get discussion about shitty canonized music

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 17:21 (yesterday) link

"No. 13 Baby" > "Hey"

The sensual shock (Sund4r), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 17:22 (yesterday) link

Austin, Leo Kottke vs. Eddie Hazel?

Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 18 January 2022 17:24 (yesterday) link

Applause to Austin for leveling up his shitposting game in the past 30 minutes, and also for saying the things I was struggling to articulate. /a single tear

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 17:36 (yesterday) link

Lol, praising the guitar chops of Leo Kottke is truly where controversy resides.

― The sensual shock (Sund4r), Tuesday, January 18, 2022 11:10 AM (twenty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

leo kottke's biggest flaw is he's too good of a guitar player tbh

xp

*”their” sorry. I really need to completely nip assuming genders in the bud. And that’s no shitpost!

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 17:38 (yesterday) link

Austin, Leo Kottke vs. Eddie Hazel?

― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, January 18, 2022 11:24 AM (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

willie nelson vs. metallica
slick rick vs. erik satie
dawn richards vs. chuck berry
zz top vs. the modern jazz quartet

Guy Mann-Dude vs The RZA

Is ILM finally dividing into proggist vs punkist sects? Has this division always been here and I missed it?

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 17:41 (yesterday) link

americana vs thrash
jazz vs house

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 17:42 (yesterday) link

this thread is basically at the level of some 16 year olds arguing about xbox vs. playstation on a gaming forum 15 years ago i wouldn't draw many conclusions

Britney Spears vs The Music

sly cooper vs. gentle giant

J.S. Bach vs. Sebastian Bach

umami dearest (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 17:45 (yesterday) link

lol ums

I never listen to the Pixies b/c the Breeders exist but their best is their last and their best song is "Tame."

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 17:46 (yesterday) link

TS: ums vs. YMP

Yeah I know this thread is devoted to provocative opinions but I’d be surprised to see ~2005 gaming forum fites rise to this level of pretentious smugness.

It astonishes me that a band as dull as the goddamn Pixies can still provoke this kind of discussion.

My controversial opinion of the morning: King Crimson's 1972-74 lineup started great…

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 17:51 (yesterday) link

Tame! I'm gonna live torever

tame
makes a man take things harder

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 17:53 (yesterday) link

sund4r i counter that king crimson's discography is pointless. now what?

Kind of whatever unless you're a prog rock fan otherwise (beyond the stuff that gets classic rock airplay).

The sensual shock (Sund4r), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 17:53 (yesterday) link

yammering on about the oldies bugging you? in two weeks we'll have had the EOYs and a whole load of brand shiny new controps will be primed and ready

imago, Tuesday, 18 January 2022 17:54 (yesterday) link

i counter that the median value of this unmeasurable is sleven

Ssäm Sauce | Martha Stewart (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 17:56 (yesterday) link

TS: ums vs. YMP

― Presenting the Fabulous Redettes Featuring James (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, January 18, 2022 11:47 AM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i would never do a thunderdome with such a quality ilx poster!

and all the posters sayyyyy....

xp

rong, ums adds value, I just do drive-by quipping and stupid puns

umami dearest (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 18:01 (yesterday) link

Not a KC fan but I like Red and Discipline in equal measure, even if I file the latter next to Belew solo albums. Fripp's guitar orchestra thing is all-time also

flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 18 January 2022 19:01 (yesterday) link

Yeah, Discipline and ItCotCK also S tier

The sensual shock (Sund4r), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 19:08 (yesterday) link

I mean, I kind of agree that the Pixies aren't great in that I don't own any of their albums any longer, in any format, and associate them deeply with getting very stoned when I was in high school. Like many people, certain bands have been confined to that period of life for me— I just have no desire to hear their music any longer, though once in a while I get a hankering to hear "Bird Dream of the Olympus Mons"

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 19:14 (yesterday) link

The Malady album from last year was really good if you like early KC.

The sensual shock (Sund4r), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 19:22 (yesterday) link

jesus christ, i go for a walk and clean the house and this is how you guys behave???

(also thank you everyone for playing along. my ultimate point i was trying to make in here the past few days is that everyone and everything is ultimately pretty fantastic and absolutely terrible all at the same time. none of it actually matters, no matter how passionately we feel about any of it. isn't that funny?)

yammering on about the oldies bugging you? in two weeks we'll have had the EOYs and a whole load of brand shiny new controps will be primed and ready

― imago, Tuesday, January 18, 2022 9:54 AM

count me in!

eddie hazel, btw.

get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 19:35 (yesterday) link

my ultimate point i was trying to make in here the past few days is that everyone and everything is ultimately pretty fantastic and absolutely terrible all at the same time.

good point that i really did not get from anything you wrote

maybe b/c just saying something is absolutely terrible is not as persuasive as pointing out what's terrible about it?

The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 19 January 2022 04:22 (thirteen hours ago) link


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