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yes, said (Ross), Friday, 7 September 2018 15:49 (two years ago) link

Troye Sivan is a better guitarist than Jimmy Page.

The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 September 2018 15:53 (two years ago) link

LOL

dig me out requiem (Ross), Friday, 7 September 2018 15:55 (two years ago) link

there are more chords, key changes, and tempo changes in The Beths' "Future Hates Me" than there are in the Cardiacs' entire discography

ilxor-com-dog-meat-drawer-7-840-x-600.jpg (unregistered), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:07 (two years ago) link

king sucks

dig me out requiem (Ross), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:13 (two years ago) link

I don't want to think about this, fortunately I made a bot for it. let's see what it comes up with:

"Is This It is the sonic equivalent of ghosting."

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:17 (two years ago) link

There were, at minimum, a couple dozen albums released in '67 which are better than Sgt. Pepper.

I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:23 (two years ago) link

That's not controversial.

Scottish Country Tweerking (Tom D.), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:26 (two years ago) link

R.E.M. is actually really boring

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 16:27 (two years ago) link

wow, thread finally delivers

Chesapeake Bae (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:29 (two years ago) link

I liked R.E.M. a lot in high school and they are all smart, nice guys with good taste but man, I just never want to listen to them anymore. Somewhere around Monster I lost all interest. the limited guitar playing and lack of sonic depth, the boring arrangements, the mewling vocals, the poor production choices and terrible mandolin playing and clunky videos, their catalog feels very inert to me.

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 16:35 (two years ago) link

like at best I can muster a "yeah that song's okay" for a number of tracks. but a whole album? ew, just never in the mood.

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 16:35 (two years ago) link

Most bands are boring tbh

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:41 (two years ago) link

all bands are excellent

coetzee.cx (wins), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:43 (two years ago) link

^^^^

Scottish Country Tweerking (Tom D.), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:47 (two years ago) link

rt

princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:48 (two years ago) link

not all bands

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 16:55 (two years ago) link

bandsplaining

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:58 (two years ago) link

All duos are terrible.

I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:00 (two years ago) link

All bands except R.E.M. are excellent

Evan, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:00 (two years ago) link

more like blands amirite

strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:01 (two years ago) link

Any musician who has not experienced - I do not say understood, but truly experienced - the necessity of dodecaphonic music is USELESS.

pomenitul, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:02 (two years ago) link

I feel like the Eagles worm has been turning for years now, but still no one is ready to say the Eagles are good. Until now folks. The Eagles are Pretty Good

strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:03 (two years ago) link

All duos are terrible.


smh

ACAB (all combos are bands)

coetzee.cx (wins), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:06 (two years ago) link

All solo artists are cowards.

I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:10 (two years ago) link

lol

princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:11 (two years ago) link

All trios are Norwegian.

I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:11 (two years ago) link

All ILM posters are liars

jmm, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:12 (two years ago) link

I feel like the Eagles worm has been turning for years now, but still no one is ready to say the Eagles are good. Until now folks. The Eagles are Pretty Good

― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, September 7, 2018 1:03 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I have a constantly running loop of that lebowski clip in my head, but never more than last night when I was in a duane reade after hell commute that was playing take it easy

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:13 (two years ago) link

jmm otm

Evan, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:14 (two years ago) link

I feel like the Eagles worm has been turning for years now, but still no one is ready to say the Eagles are good. Until now folks. The Eagles are Pretty Good

― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, September 7, 2018 10:03 AM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"i can't tell you why" is an amazing song but i can't join you here just yet

princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:15 (two years ago) link

the eagles are good

i can't tell you why is really good

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:36 (two years ago) link

other eagles songs i like: hotel california, new kid in town, try and love again, take it easy, peaceful easy feeling, witchy woman

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:38 (two years ago) link

The High Llamas were (are?) a million times better than their 'parents', the Beach Boys.

Daniel Giraffe, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:49 (two years ago) link

that's not controversial, it's just wrong

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:50 (two years ago) link

the only good Beach Boy was/is Mike Love.

omar little, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:51 (two years ago) link

High Llamas relationship to the Beach Boys was always tangential at best (and related to a very brief period/narrow slice of their catalog) and was way over-emphasized in their press materials.

I would take even the low points of M.I.U. over the High Llamas tbh

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:52 (two years ago) link

No artist at all has a "New Jersey" - a huge event album that ultimately feels a bit hollow & signals a career decline

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:53 (two years ago) link

You could say that about any band that has the opportunity to develop someone else's idea further, if it works for you.

xps

Evan, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:53 (two years ago) link

There are a bunch of good Eagles songs. Every one of them was released as a single, so a compilation is all you need. There's not one Eagles album worth listening to all the way through. The Long Run comes closest.

The Beach Boys have, like, two good songs ("Good Vibrations" and "Don't Worry Baby"), and I could happily go the rest of my life without hearing either one of them ever again.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:53 (two years ago) link

Can't think of any.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:54 (two years ago) link

Black metal sucks. Even the "good" stuff is bad enough that it's worth handing the whole genre over to the Nazis and walking away. Let 'em have it.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:56 (two years ago) link

Does it have to be a controversial opinion that we actually hold or are we allowed to just say something we think might wind people up?

Daniel Giraffe, Friday, 7 September 2018 18:00 (two years ago) link

Saying a band or genre you don't like sucks isn't controversial or even a wind-up tbh.

everything, Friday, 7 September 2018 18:01 (two years ago) link

that late-90s Brian Wilson worship was so tiresome

strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:03 (two years ago) link

Counterpoint: at a Silver Jews show, D. Berman did a sneering routine of saying, "What's the big deal with Brian Wilson? He's so overrated," etc.; which was equally annoying.

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:05 (two years ago) link

It could have been John Prine who wrote "Margaritaville."

Pesto Mindset (Eazy), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:09 (two years ago) link

Here's an (actually held) controversial opinion: while I've been into the Silver Jews since I first ran across "The Arizona Record" (filed under Pavement on a rack), and I think they have some terrific records, I also think Berman is significantly overvalued as a lyricist by most fans. He has some good one-liners, but his lyrics tend to be strings of "clever" non-sequiturs that only sometimes land. He's seen as some kind of rock poet.

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:10 (two years ago) link

I feel like the Eagles worm has been turning for years now, but still no one is ready to say the Eagles are good. Until now folks. The Eagles are Pretty Good

― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, September 7, 2018 10:03 AM

We have a daily listening thread that'll prove you wrong.

The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:16 (two years ago) link

you could make a dud list for most anybody

strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:18 (two years ago) link

tbf there are also two New Jersey's geographically
and many more "New Jersey's", metaphorically

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 00:31 (one month ago) link

I always assumed he has a bigger audience in the southerly part

I think he is more Monmouth County/northerly guy.

dell (del), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 02:46 (one month ago) link

this is right I think, but in the North Jersey imagination any place that has beaches is "south"

John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 02:53 (one month ago) link

Need to get The Boss himself on here to settle this. Or Floyd, why not?..

dell (del), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 03:05 (one month ago) link

Great post, Lily, and the thing about trying so hard/too hard, he's said (or maybe it was Sugar Miami Steve) that there were other guys starting when and where they did who were better singers, songwriters, musicians, everything except at working as hard as possible, all the time---and he in particular said that if any muso, like in his employ especially, ever said, "Well maybe I should try junior college, at least part-time, or GED (eqivalent of high school degree, after dropping out), more time waiting tables...?", he would immediately agree, because if you were thinking about being less single-minded, you already were; there had to be NO QUESTION ABOUT DIRECTION.
On the other hand, he turned Born To Run, album three, into Make or Break by taking so many years, in the time scale of them days, at such expense, to finish product, and not by recording so many different songs, but so many many different takes---and the whiff of grim, almost over-the-top obsessiveness, although it paid off, in a sometimes carefully nuanced, and mostly broadly acceptable, not-too-weird-a-vibe-for-the-70s-way (what the hell, Apocalypse Now cost a lot more)
---nevertheless this kind of compulsive momentum led toward the shut-down later, when he was so embroiled in his mostly offstage legal battle w Mike Appel, even getting his ass forbidden to enter the studio---to where he found himself thinking (as I think he said in press material re expanded reissue of Darkness) that his career might be over, or in for a long hiatus (makine me think of Fogerty's feud with Saul Zaentz, Steve Forbert's with his suits:it happens, for sure) And he said he found his thoughts turning back to growing up in Freehold in the mid-60s, a place and time for which he'd always had Highway 61 Revisited, and later, "David Lynchian" associations, more than rockin' at the hop etc.
And yadda yadda, many years later, after much therapy, "The best day of my life was when I picked up a guitar, and the other best day was when I learned to put it down."

dow, Friday, 5 February 2021 20:39 (one month ago) link

Some of my friends who were raised Catholic (unlike me) saw it allll coming, very early.

dow, Friday, 5 February 2021 20:42 (one month ago) link

But speaking of Brits, those painfully earnest white boy vocals, even or especially among the middle-aging, were basis of my aforementioned nfacness re U-2, Radiohead, many others.

dow, Friday, 5 February 2021 20:45 (one month ago) link

Please don't tell me you're calling U2 British.

Waterloo Subset (Tom D.), Friday, 5 February 2021 20:47 (one month ago) link

uh oh

John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 5 February 2021 20:48 (one month ago) link

lol

A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 5 February 2021 20:48 (one month ago) link

Same vocal effect (and when there are so many good Irish male voices to be influenced by). But if you want to say he's a heartland/boondocks/grand battered-heritage overachiever like Bruce, so, Bono is indeed Irish-as-hell in that sense.
Wiki says Bruce is of Dutch, Irish, and Italian descent...Springsteen's Italian maternal grandfather was born in Vico Equense.[12] He emigrated through Ellis Island, and could not read or write when he arrived. He eventually became a lawyer, and impressed the young Springsteen as being larger than life.[13] The name Springsteen is topographic and of Dutch origin, literally translated as "jumping stone" but more generally a stepping stone used on unpaved streets or between two houses.[14] The Springsteens, originally from the province of Groningen,[15] were among the early Dutch families who settled in the colony of New Netherland in the 1600s.[16]

dow, Friday, 5 February 2021 20:57 (one month ago) link

Father worked as a bus driver nd held other jobs. Douglas Springsteen suffered from mental health problems throughout his life which worsened in his later years. "Larger than life" im midnight kitchen table encounters w son, as told in on-stage intro to "It's My Life, " when I saw him in '74 or '75.

dow, Friday, 5 February 2021 21:02 (one month ago) link

Not sure what that has to do with Bono or Bono's vocals?

Waterloo Subset (Tom D.), Friday, 5 February 2021 21:15 (one month ago) link

Buses flatten vocals

he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Friday, 5 February 2021 21:19 (one month ago) link

has to do with having to try harder, represent oneself as product of this underdog drama: Irish heritage, rich in culture, endlessly striving in other ways, so Bono and immigrant-heritage rebel son Bruce of the boondocks, tend to overdo things. Stated as sympathetically as possible, but I still don't care about Bono that much---he's had his moments, Springsteen had more, when I was keeping up with him.

dow, Friday, 5 February 2021 21:52 (one month ago) link

(Springsteen sounded very worn, wearier than ever, but indomitable, an old rock singer as old rock, v. recently on Saturday Night Live w E Street Band---a more discernible melody might have helped, or hurt.)

dow, Friday, 5 February 2021 21:55 (one month ago) link

Not really recognizing of Bono in there but neither of us are interested in him so nbd.

Waterloo Subset (Tom D.), Friday, 5 February 2021 22:06 (one month ago) link

They are both white guys who are in a band

baelien (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 5 February 2021 23:24 (one month ago) link

And frequently show up as talking heads in rock docs.

The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 5 February 2021 23:32 (one month ago) link

They both play to the back of the room, that’s for sure

John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 5 February 2021 23:37 (one month ago) link

Oh yes.

Waterloo Subset (Tom D.), Friday, 5 February 2021 23:57 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

daft punk was never anything other than predictable and boring.

just like this post i am currently writing.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:58 (one week ago) link

Homework sports a handful of classic tracks. I don’t need the rest of their discography.

pomenitul, Monday, 22 February 2021 20:03 (one week ago) link

There are good tracks on both of the first two albums and the Tron sequel soundtrack, and the live album is great. They disappeared pretty far up their own asses on albums 3 and 4, though.

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 22 February 2021 20:11 (one week ago) link

Homework has very good bits but is kind of mind numbing, Discovery was mostly good but pretty uneven, HAA was actively awful but worked pretty well live, RAM super professional and impressive but I never wanted to listen to it. in short, they are a land of many contrasts

frogbs, Monday, 22 February 2021 20:17 (one week ago) link

i had a really long post typed out about how daft punk was actually fucking awesome, but that it had nothing to do with their music. which brings me to my point: is there a "musical fan fiction" thread, by chance?

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 22 February 2021 20:29 (one week ago) link

"music facts that are 100% false" maybe???

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 22 February 2021 20:30 (one week ago) link

My controversial DP opinion is that playing their albums (as albums, from front to back) is the worst way to listen to them.

stuck in the version layer (morrisp), Monday, 22 February 2021 20:33 (one week ago) link

homework and discovery are pretty much flawless, imo, the live albums are sick, the rest is okay -> bad

brimstead, Monday, 22 February 2021 21:09 (one week ago) link

these are not controversial opinions

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 21:24 (one week ago) link

human after all is fucking sick

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 21:25 (one week ago) link

My controversial DP opinion

Um

illumi-naughty (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 22 February 2021 22:14 (one week ago) link

I said on Twitter that while I recognize Daft Punk were Important, they didn't mean much to me. I tried. When hip-hop and R&B artists like Kanye and The Weeknd folded their melodies or absorbed their ethos, they were at their most beautiful, though. "I Feel It Coming" and "Stronger" sound more amazing than ever.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 February 2021 22:15 (one week ago) link

If you folks insist it's not a controversial observation to say DP isn't really an album band, I'm fine to withdraw that descriptor. People seem to love at least their first few albums (as albums).

stuck in the version layer (morrisp), Monday, 22 February 2021 22:21 (one week ago) link

late period Can albums (Saw Delight, Landed, s/t) may have some goofy and underwhelming tunes, but the good stuff on those records rivals anything the band ever recorded

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 22 February 2021 22:56 (one week ago) link

Dunno if I consider Landed late period, maybe the last of their classic period?

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 February 2021 22:59 (one week ago) link

U2 are best thought of as a singles band.

29 facepalms, Monday, 22 February 2021 23:03 (one week ago) link

Junior Jack's "Thrill Me" >>>> Daft Punk's "Burnin'"

boxedjoy, Monday, 22 February 2021 23:09 (one week ago) link

Saw Delight is the first CAN album I heard and is still a favorite along with Landed and Soon Over Babaluma

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 22 February 2021 23:13 (one week ago) link

U2 are best thought of as a singles band.


I raise you: Pet Shop Boys are best thought of as an albums band

brimstead, Monday, 22 February 2021 23:14 (one week ago) link

da funk was my gateway to house music, no shame, I wasn’t hangin with Gavin hardkiss and hawke when I was 13

brimstead, Monday, 22 February 2021 23:15 (one week ago) link

not that I am now I don’t know what the point of that name drop was, sorry

brimstead, Monday, 22 February 2021 23:16 (one week ago) link

Dunno if I consider Landed late period, maybe the last of their classic period?

Agreed.

I'm Going to Bring a Watermelon to Mark Grout Tonight (Tom D.), Monday, 22 February 2021 23:17 (one week ago) link

Rob Zombie's solo albums are a) better than you think and b) better than the White Zombie catalog, most of which was pretty uninspired and some of which (Make Them Die Slowly) was actively horrible.

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 22 February 2021 23:22 (one week ago) link

Pet Shop Boys are best thought of as an albums band
― brimstead, Monday, February 22, 2021 3:14 PM

for the first four or five albums, yes absolutely.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 22 February 2021 23:28 (one week ago) link

Can never made a bad album, besides Out of Reach

frogbs, Monday, 22 February 2021 23:37 (one week ago) link

oh wait they had that reunion album too

frogbs, Monday, 22 February 2021 23:53 (one week ago) link

Daft Punk were good/great at times, but Around The World is a mediocre song (that vocoder thing gets old after about 10 seconds) and a horrible music video, the whole concept is that everything is synced to the music and everything is a half-beat out, I can't even watch it.

Bastard Lakes (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 23 February 2021 00:03 (one week ago) link

I dunno if it's controversial or he's best thought of as singles artist or not, but for me Bowie rules as A Great Singles Artist of late 60s-early 80s, though I love all of black starand enjoy all of several others, though there are some I never heard, don't remember at all, may never hear or re-hear---the singles don't leave that much foreground in the headspace.

dow, Tuesday, 23 February 2021 00:07 (one week ago) link


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