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yes, said (Ross), Friday, 7 September 2018 15:49 (three months ago) Permalink

Troye Sivan is a better guitarist than Jimmy Page.

The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 September 2018 15:53 (three months ago) Permalink

LOL

dig me out requiem (Ross), Friday, 7 September 2018 15:55 (three months ago) Permalink

there are more chords, key changes, and tempo changes in The Beths' "Future Hates Me" than there are in the Cardiacs' entire discography

ilxor-com-dog-meat-drawer-7-840-x-600.jpg (unregistered), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:07 (three months ago) Permalink

king sucks

dig me out requiem (Ross), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:13 (three months ago) Permalink

I don't want to think about this, fortunately I made a bot for it. let's see what it comes up with:

"Is This It is the sonic equivalent of ghosting."

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:17 (three months ago) Permalink

There were, at minimum, a couple dozen albums released in '67 which are better than Sgt. Pepper.

I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:23 (three months ago) Permalink

That's not controversial.

Scottish Country Tweerking (Tom D.), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:26 (three months ago) Permalink

R.E.M. is actually really boring

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 16:27 (three months ago) Permalink

wow, thread finally delivers

Chesapeake Bae (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:29 (three months ago) Permalink

I liked R.E.M. a lot in high school and they are all smart, nice guys with good taste but man, I just never want to listen to them anymore. Somewhere around Monster I lost all interest. the limited guitar playing and lack of sonic depth, the boring arrangements, the mewling vocals, the poor production choices and terrible mandolin playing and clunky videos, their catalog feels very inert to me.

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 16:35 (three months ago) Permalink

like at best I can muster a "yeah that song's okay" for a number of tracks. but a whole album? ew, just never in the mood.

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 16:35 (three months ago) Permalink

Most bands are boring tbh

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:41 (three months ago) Permalink

all bands are excellent

coetzee.cx (wins), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:43 (three months ago) Permalink

^^^^

Scottish Country Tweerking (Tom D.), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:47 (three months ago) Permalink

rt

princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:48 (three months ago) Permalink

not all bands

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 16:55 (three months ago) Permalink

bandsplaining

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:58 (three months ago) Permalink

All duos are terrible.

I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:00 (three months ago) Permalink

All bands except R.E.M. are excellent

Evan, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:00 (three months ago) Permalink

more like blands amirite

strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:01 (three months ago) Permalink

Any musician who has not experienced - I do not say understood, but truly experienced - the necessity of dodecaphonic music is USELESS.

pomenitul, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:02 (three months ago) Permalink

I feel like the Eagles worm has been turning for years now, but still no one is ready to say the Eagles are good. Until now folks. The Eagles are Pretty Good

strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:03 (three months ago) Permalink

All duos are terrible.


smh

ACAB (all combos are bands)

coetzee.cx (wins), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:06 (three months ago) Permalink

All solo artists are cowards.

I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:10 (three months ago) Permalink

lol

princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:11 (three months ago) Permalink

All trios are Norwegian.

I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:11 (three months ago) Permalink

All ILM posters are liars

jmm, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:12 (three months ago) Permalink

I feel like the Eagles worm has been turning for years now, but still no one is ready to say the Eagles are good. Until now folks. The Eagles are Pretty Good

― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, September 7, 2018 1:03 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I have a constantly running loop of that lebowski clip in my head, but never more than last night when I was in a duane reade after hell commute that was playing take it easy

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:13 (three months ago) Permalink

jmm otm

Evan, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:14 (three months ago) Permalink

I feel like the Eagles worm has been turning for years now, but still no one is ready to say the Eagles are good. Until now folks. The Eagles are Pretty Good

― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, September 7, 2018 10:03 AM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"i can't tell you why" is an amazing song but i can't join you here just yet

princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:15 (three months ago) Permalink

the eagles are good

i can't tell you why is really good

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:36 (three months ago) Permalink

other eagles songs i like: hotel california, new kid in town, try and love again, take it easy, peaceful easy feeling, witchy woman

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:38 (three months ago) Permalink

The High Llamas were (are?) a million times better than their 'parents', the Beach Boys.

Daniel Giraffe, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:49 (three months ago) Permalink

that's not controversial, it's just wrong

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:50 (three months ago) Permalink

the only good Beach Boy was/is Mike Love.

omar little, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:51 (three months ago) Permalink

High Llamas relationship to the Beach Boys was always tangential at best (and related to a very brief period/narrow slice of their catalog) and was way over-emphasized in their press materials.

I would take even the low points of M.I.U. over the High Llamas tbh

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:52 (three months ago) Permalink

No artist at all has a "New Jersey" - a huge event album that ultimately feels a bit hollow & signals a career decline

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:53 (three months ago) Permalink

You could say that about any band that has the opportunity to develop someone else's idea further, if it works for you.

xps

Evan, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:53 (three months ago) Permalink

There are a bunch of good Eagles songs. Every one of them was released as a single, so a compilation is all you need. There's not one Eagles album worth listening to all the way through. The Long Run comes closest.

The Beach Boys have, like, two good songs ("Good Vibrations" and "Don't Worry Baby"), and I could happily go the rest of my life without hearing either one of them ever again.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:53 (three months ago) Permalink

Can't think of any.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:54 (three months ago) Permalink

Black metal sucks. Even the "good" stuff is bad enough that it's worth handing the whole genre over to the Nazis and walking away. Let 'em have it.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:56 (three months ago) Permalink

Does it have to be a controversial opinion that we actually hold or are we allowed to just say something we think might wind people up?

Daniel Giraffe, Friday, 7 September 2018 18:00 (three months ago) Permalink

Saying a band or genre you don't like sucks isn't controversial or even a wind-up tbh.

everything, Friday, 7 September 2018 18:01 (three months ago) Permalink

that late-90s Brian Wilson worship was so tiresome

strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:03 (three months ago) Permalink

Counterpoint: at a Silver Jews show, D. Berman did a sneering routine of saying, "What's the big deal with Brian Wilson? He's so overrated," etc.; which was equally annoying.

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:05 (three months ago) Permalink

It could have been John Prine who wrote "Margaritaville."

Pesto Mindset (Eazy), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:09 (three months ago) Permalink

Here's an (actually held) controversial opinion: while I've been into the Silver Jews since I first ran across "The Arizona Record" (filed under Pavement on a rack), and I think they have some terrific records, I also think Berman is significantly overvalued as a lyricist by most fans. He has some good one-liners, but his lyrics tend to be strings of "clever" non-sequiturs that only sometimes land. He's seen as some kind of rock poet.

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:10 (three months ago) Permalink

I feel like the Eagles worm has been turning for years now, but still no one is ready to say the Eagles are good. Until now folks. The Eagles are Pretty Good

― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, September 7, 2018 10:03 AM

We have a daily listening thread that'll prove you wrong.

The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:16 (three months ago) Permalink

you could make a dud list for most anybody

strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:18 (three months ago) Permalink

what conclusion in the song would have been non-mocking, in your opinion?

The conclusion is fine. The children are what brings her back; that's actually nice. It's the portrayal I see as demeaning and somewhat sarcastic. Davies saw himself as a social critic.

timellison, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 00:26 (one week ago) Permalink

ray is absolutely not...

"Absolutely not" - the final word, then?

timellison, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 00:28 (one week ago) Permalink

and here i thought you had the final word with "i have explained myself enough."

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 00:33 (one week ago) Permalink

Love you guys anyway

timellison, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 00:38 (one week ago) Permalink

Also not a fan of "clutch empty milk bottles to their hearts" btw

timellison, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 00:38 (one week ago) Permalink

I have a controversial music question...

I haven't listened, and I'm not qualified to really judge either way, but would Lil Peep be rated as highly right now if he hadn't died?

Evan, Monday, 10 December 2018 16:45 (one week ago) Permalink

i thought he was super important before he died so... it wouldn't be the same but yeah

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 10 December 2018 16:48 (one week ago) Permalink

OK thanks. I really had no idea!

Evan, Monday, 10 December 2018 16:51 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah if anything he hasn't gotten the due he deserves in death, he died too young for a true martyr bump

flappy bird, Monday, 10 December 2018 18:12 (one week ago) Permalink

all the lil rappers are bad

Οὖτις, Monday, 10 December 2018 18:51 (one week ago) Permalink

(taking this back to real controversial content)

Οὖτις, Monday, 10 December 2018 18:51 (one week ago) Permalink

who was the first lil rapper anyway, lil bow wow?

Οὖτις, Monday, 10 December 2018 18:51 (one week ago) Permalink

kim!?

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 10 December 2018 18:52 (one week ago) Permalink

Lil Kim that is

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 10 December 2018 18:53 (one week ago) Permalink

idk Lil Bow Wow is '93 or so, isn't that before her?

Οὖτις, Monday, 10 December 2018 18:54 (one week ago) Permalink

wiki says his first album was 2000 and he was 13
unless he recorded before that?

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 10 December 2018 18:55 (one week ago) Permalink

Besides, he shed the 'lil' a couple of years later.

pomenitul, Monday, 10 December 2018 18:56 (one week ago) Permalink

lil kim released hard core in 1996, when bow wow was...9
so i think she was first of the two but maybe there was another lil before kim that i am forgetting/not aware of

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 10 December 2018 18:58 (one week ago) Permalink

There was also Lil' Keke. But I agree with LL, I think Lil Kim was the first.

pomenitul, Monday, 10 December 2018 18:59 (one week ago) Permalink

Lil' Rodney Cee from the Funky 4 + 1

Number None, Monday, 10 December 2018 19:09 (one week ago) Permalink

Hmm maybe Bow Wow Wow was the reason for confusion! Ha

Evan, Monday, 10 December 2018 19:10 (one week ago) Permalink

i knew there would be one before her i just am not familiar with who that is
thank you ilm

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 10 December 2018 19:12 (one week ago) Permalink

from lil bow wow's wiki

In 1993, he performed at a concert in Los Angeles, and was noticed by rapper Snoop Dogg, who subsequently gave him a stage name, "Lil' Bow Wow".[4]

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 10 December 2018 19:13 (one week ago) Permalink

The best album Mick Jones made was B.A.D’s ‘Megatop Phoenix’.

Dan Worsley, Monday, 10 December 2018 19:22 (one week ago) Permalink

Lil' Rodney Cee from the Funky 4 + 1

oh shit that's right! good lookin out

Οὖτις, Monday, 10 December 2018 20:02 (one week ago) Permalink

hs is great so may have to retract my controversial music opinion

TS: Big Rappers vs. Lil Rappers

Οὖτις, Monday, 10 December 2018 20:03 (one week ago) Permalink

Soft Machine wasn't truly great until Robert Wyatt left the band

Gong wasn't truly great until Daevid Allen left the band

(I am OK with the idea that these are a coincidences, as I enjoy both Wyatt and Allen quite a bit. But I much prefer the albums without them)

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 10 December 2018 20:14 (one week ago) Permalink

There is something pitiable and maybe even tragic about people in their forties and fifties who are still obsessed with the Misfits and the Ramones

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 10 December 2018 20:17 (one week ago) Permalink

or shellac and autechre

massaman gai (front tea for two), Monday, 10 December 2018 20:19 (one week ago) Permalink

Eh, people are attracted to different things. People could conceivably like the music even if the lyrics don't have significance for them in their forties and fifties.

timellison, Monday, 10 December 2018 20:25 (one week ago) Permalink

I consider everyone on ilx pitiable and tragic

ogmor, Monday, 10 December 2018 20:29 (one week ago) Permalink

is that really a musical opinion

Οὖτις, Monday, 10 December 2018 20:31 (one week ago) Permalink

or a controversial one?

big crime for a SPECIAL WHATEVER (voodoo chili), Monday, 10 December 2018 20:35 (one week ago) Permalink

that too

Οὖτις, Monday, 10 December 2018 20:36 (one week ago) Permalink

The best album Mick Jones made was B.A.D’s ‘Megatop Phoenix’.

it's top 3 for sure

sans lep (sic), Monday, 10 December 2018 20:38 (one week ago) Permalink

nothing per se bad abt being pitiable and/or tragic

massaman gai (front tea for two), Monday, 10 December 2018 20:40 (one week ago) Permalink

or vain, erudite and stupid

Ward Fowler, Monday, 10 December 2018 21:06 (one week ago) Permalink

I always wondered about that title. Does each word describe a specific band member? Bruce is definitely "erudite"

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 10 December 2018 21:10 (one week ago) Permalink

similar question (as long as I'm derailing): was "experimental, jet set, trash and no star" meant to describe the individual members of Sonic Youth? If so, I'd guess Lee, Kim, Thurston, Steve, respectively

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 10 December 2018 21:11 (one week ago) Permalink

p sure Thurston confirmed that explicitly in an interview (at least, that's my memory)

Οὖτις, Monday, 10 December 2018 21:16 (one week ago) Permalink

can't tell if you guys are joking but there's no comma after "experimental" and experimental jet set is a play on words

Josefa, Monday, 10 December 2018 21:32 (one week ago) Permalink

idgi

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 14:04 (one week ago) Permalink

"Not surprisingly, the title had no single explanation. It was either a play on their alter egos - Ranaldo, Gordon, Moore, and Shelly, respectively - or, as Moore told writer Alec Foege, it was inspired by the time Yoshimi P-We, the drummer of... the Boredoms, was in the company of Moore and Gordon and was approached by autograph-seeking kids. "No - no star!" she said, in broken English."

- David Browne, Goodbye 20th Century: A Biography of Sonic Youth, pp. 267-268

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:27 (one week ago) Permalink

I'm still waiting to learn how "experimental jet set" is a play on words

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:33 (one week ago) Permalink

That’s a great Yoshimi story

underqualified backing vocalist (morrisp), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:38 (one week ago) Permalink

I think maybe there was a joke that SY had become the 'experimental jet set' after signing to DGC? I don't see a play on words either.

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:43 (one week ago) Permalink

I guess because it's a combination of "experimental jet" and "jet set"?

jmm, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:45 (one week ago) Permalink

^ that, yeah

Josefa, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 16:28 (one week ago) Permalink

The Kinks 1964-1971 > The Beatles

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Saturday, 15 December 2018 22:47 (three days ago) Permalink

agree

Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 15 December 2018 22:51 (three days ago) Permalink


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