Yeah
― yes, said (Ross), Friday, 7 September 2018 15:49 (four years ago) link
Troye Sivan is a better guitarist than Jimmy Page.
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 September 2018 15:53 (four years ago) link
LOL
― dig me out requiem (Ross), Friday, 7 September 2018 15:55 (four years ago) link
there are more chords, key changes, and tempo changes in The Beths' "Future Hates Me" than there are in the Cardiacs' entire discography
― ilxor-com-dog-meat-drawer-7-840-x-600.jpg (unregistered), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:07 (four years ago) link
king sucks
― dig me out requiem (Ross), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:13 (four years ago) link
I don't want to think about this, fortunately I made a bot for it. let's see what it comes up with:
"Is This It is the sonic equivalent of ghosting."
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:17 (four years ago) link
There were, at minimum, a couple dozen albums released in '67 which are better than Sgt. Pepper.
― I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:23 (four years ago) link
That's not controversial.
― Scottish Country Tweerking (Tom D.), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:26 (four years ago) link
R.E.M. is actually really boring
― Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 16:27 (four years ago) link
wow, thread finally delivers
― Chesapeake Bae (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:29 (four years ago) link
I liked R.E.M. a lot in high school and they are all smart, nice guys with good taste but man, I just never want to listen to them anymore. Somewhere around Monster I lost all interest. the limited guitar playing and lack of sonic depth, the boring arrangements, the mewling vocals, the poor production choices and terrible mandolin playing and clunky videos, their catalog feels very inert to me.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 16:35 (four years ago) link
like at best I can muster a "yeah that song's okay" for a number of tracks. but a whole album? ew, just never in the mood.
Most bands are boring tbh
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:41 (four years ago) link
all bands are excellent
― coetzee.cx (wins), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:43 (four years ago) link
^^^^
― Scottish Country Tweerking (Tom D.), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:47 (four years ago) link
rt
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:48 (four years ago) link
not all bands
― Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 16:55 (four years ago) link
bandsplaining
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:58 (four years ago) link
All duos are terrible.
― I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:00 (four years ago) link
All bands except R.E.M. are excellent
― Evan, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:00 (four years ago) link
more like blands amirite
― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:01 (four years ago) link
Any musician who has not experienced - I do not say understood, but truly experienced - the necessity of dodecaphonic music is USELESS.
― pomenitul, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:02 (four years ago) link
I feel like the Eagles worm has been turning for years now, but still no one is ready to say the Eagles are good. Until now folks. The Eagles are Pretty Good
― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:03 (four years ago) link
― coetzee.cx (wins), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:06 (four years ago) link
All solo artists are cowards.
― I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:10 (four years ago) link
lol
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:11 (four years ago) link
All trios are Norwegian.
― I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:11 (four years ago) link
All ILM posters are liars
― jmm, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:12 (four years ago) link
― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, September 7, 2018 1:03 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I have a constantly running loop of that lebowski clip in my head, but never more than last night when I was in a duane reade after hell commute that was playing take it easy
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:13 (four years ago) link
jmm otm
― Evan, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:14 (four years ago) link
― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, September 7, 2018 10:03 AM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
"i can't tell you why" is an amazing song but i can't join you here just yet
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:15 (four years ago) link
the eagles are good
i can't tell you why is really good
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:36 (four years ago) link
other eagles songs i like: hotel california, new kid in town, try and love again, take it easy, peaceful easy feeling, witchy woman
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:38 (four years ago) link
The High Llamas were (are?) a million times better than their 'parents', the Beach Boys.
― Daniel Giraffe, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:49 (four years ago) link
that's not controversial, it's just wrong
― Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:50 (four years ago) link
the only good Beach Boy was/is Mike Love.
― omar little, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:51 (four years ago) link
High Llamas relationship to the Beach Boys was always tangential at best (and related to a very brief period/narrow slice of their catalog) and was way over-emphasized in their press materials.
I would take even the low points of M.I.U. over the High Llamas tbh
― Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:52 (four years ago) link
No artist at all has a "New Jersey" - a huge event album that ultimately feels a bit hollow & signals a career decline
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:53 (four years ago) link
You could say that about any band that has the opportunity to develop someone else's idea further, if it works for you.
xps
― Evan, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:53 (four years ago) link
There are a bunch of good Eagles songs. Every one of them was released as a single, so a compilation is all you need. There's not one Eagles album worth listening to all the way through. The Long Run comes closest.
The Beach Boys have, like, two good songs ("Good Vibrations" and "Don't Worry Baby"), and I could happily go the rest of my life without hearing either one of them ever again.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:53 (four years ago) link
Can't think of any.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:54 (four years ago) link
Black metal sucks. Even the "good" stuff is bad enough that it's worth handing the whole genre over to the Nazis and walking away. Let 'em have it.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:56 (four years ago) link
Does it have to be a controversial opinion that we actually hold or are we allowed to just say something we think might wind people up?
― Daniel Giraffe, Friday, 7 September 2018 18:00 (four years ago) link
Saying a band or genre you don't like sucks isn't controversial or even a wind-up tbh.
― everything, Friday, 7 September 2018 18:01 (four years ago) link
that late-90s Brian Wilson worship was so tiresome
― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:03 (four years ago) link
Counterpoint: at a Silver Jews show, D. Berman did a sneering routine of saying, "What's the big deal with Brian Wilson? He's so overrated," etc.; which was equally annoying.
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:05 (four years ago) link
It could have been John Prine who wrote "Margaritaville."
― Pesto Mindset (Eazy), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:09 (four years ago) link
Here's an (actually held) controversial opinion: while I've been into the Silver Jews since I first ran across "The Arizona Record" (filed under Pavement on a rack), and I think they have some terrific records, I also think Berman is significantly overvalued as a lyricist by most fans. He has some good one-liners, but his lyrics tend to be strings of "clever" non-sequiturs that only sometimes land. He's seen as some kind of rock poet.
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:10 (four years ago) link
― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, September 7, 2018 10:03 AM
We have a daily listening thread that'll prove you wrong.
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:16 (four years ago) link
you could make a dud list for most anybody
― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:18 (four years ago) link
malkmus's best songs were with pavement but all those albums range from somewhat to wildly inconsistent, while real emotional trash is just great jams from start to finish
― ufo, Monday, 20 March 2023 09:32 (one week ago) link
I still like "Losing My Edge" and "41:33" but meh to the rest of LCD
This is my camp. I quite honestly rate "Losing My Edge" as an all-time great single, I did so in 2002 and still do. I have little-to-no tolerance for all other LCD. I would probably prefer to leave a space than subject myself to "North American Scum" and/or "Daft Punk" and/or "All My Friends". Bad songs! The worst is when, too, people rated such terrible music so highly and I just didn't understand why they did so and still don't
My best friend has probably more adventurous tastes in music than I do, and generally is a few chapters ahead of me at all times in every genre except classical. He tried to convince me that LCD's third album is "actually terrific" and so I listened to it a few times and I can safely say that it is, without hyperbole, the worst album ever recorded in history, and competes with Schnittke's first symphony as the worst piece of music ever conceived
The most weirdly insulting thing about that album is the forthright "covers" of "White Light White Heat" and "Heroes", two songs I have never particularly rated that highly (but sure, they're good songs), and hearing them twisted and dis-improved as LCD did put me in this unbelievably awful position of multiple strains of feeling:
1. I hated the song I was listening to2. I was finding that I liked the song the track was "covering" less, in addition to this3. I found myself feeling weirdly 'protective' of the original material, like I was a docent asking James Murphy to please sir don't smear shit on the painting4. I found myself feeling complicated in my feelings of 'protectiveness' because I'm not a huge fucking fan of either "Heroes" or "White Light White Heat", and it feels weird and bad when you're put into a position of having to care more about something than you actually do, like you've been drafted into a war that you don't want to fight
I do REALLY like "what DFA were trying to do", though. I love that Rayna and Delia album. I love that they signed planningtorock. I loved the shit out of their vol. 2 compilation. I literally actually cried a little bit when listening to the Liquid Liquid re-work, I loved it so much, and got so excited about the prospect of new Liquid Liquid material (which never came, but ah well).
it's also possible to like the first two albums and loathe "Losing My Edge" as a tired joke even in 2002.
And this is the opposite of my camp.
― touche pas ma planète (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 20 March 2023 10:50 (one week ago) link
And the opposite of camp.
― the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 March 2023 11:11 (one week ago) link
they have a fair few good songs but no great albums. by the third album he was largely out of ideas and settling for more directly ripping from others, instead of at least coming up with interesting combinations - "all my friends" being new order + eno was great. even the best track on it ("dance yrself clean") is a blatant rip, just of something much more obscure ("jaimaca running" by the pool) than most of his reference points.
it's a shame they ended up there because they do sound genuinely inspired on like, "beat connection", "yeah", etc. - shame they couldn't keep that up
― ufo, Monday, 20 March 2023 11:46 (one week ago) link
afaic. the Juan MacLean were the only DFA group worth a shit in the long term. GMELT, particularly the Cajmere remix, are all time bangers
― Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Monday, 20 March 2023 11:50 (one week ago) link
Nancy Whang brought the attractive blankness to her vocals that Murphy thought was beneath him or something.
― the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 March 2023 11:56 (one week ago) link
I can't jettison 'All My Friends'; it means too much to me as a marker of a particular time in my life: I was mid-30s, coping with being a dad for the first (and second time); doing a poor job of it, in honesty; desperately trying to cling on to an older version of my life. As such, it's pretty much irony-proof for me; and the rush of the final few minutes is as real as it ever was, tinged with the same mixture of tainted euphoria, guilt and nostalgia.
And I'm with Brad on 'Something Great'. Love the version of it on 45:33 too.
― Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Monday, 20 March 2023 15:55 (one week ago) link
I like the ending rockout section of "new body rhumba" because it sounds kind of like early Stereolab with that bassline (and the rock instrumentation)
― Evan, Monday, 20 March 2023 21:26 (one week ago) link
We set controls for the heart of the sun
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 20 March 2023 22:05 (one week ago) link
they have a fair few good songs but no great albums.
I still love Sound of Silver.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 20 March 2023 22:06 (one week ago) link
Gave Sound of Silver a try yesterday, which I mostly loved at the time, though the final track bothered me then even. So many highs and lows. Couldn't stomach "North American Scum" which felt genuinely witty at the time.
― Terrycoth Baphomet (bendy), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 11:06 (one week ago) link
This Is Happening is the best LCD album.
The best New Order albums are Movement, Technique, and Waiting For The Sirens’ Call.
― castanuts (DJP), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 11:51 (one week ago) link
I won't argue.
― the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 12:59 (one week ago) link
Satanic Majesties is the best Stones album.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 13:04 (one week ago) link
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 21 March 2023 14:33 (one week ago) link
it's not the best but I really love it, my pet crackpot take being that "2000 Light Years from Home" feels like the first krautrock song
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 14:59 (one week ago) link
Satanic Majesties is the best Stones album.― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, March 21, 2023
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, March 21, 2023
i don't know the stones well enough to say such things, but i will say this: that's the only one of theirs that i have chosen to listen to in full on numerous occasions. "citadel" is a top 5 stones jam.
― ''can be prusuaded to show gayness'' (Austin), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 15:24 (one week ago) link
Ozzmosis is a fun album with agreeably melodic songs, hilarious production choices and the most undead vocal performances of his career. Everything corny about it just underscores the creepiness of his vocals. If this is Ozzy's worst album I don't think he's made any bad albums.
― The field divisions are fastened with felicitations. (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 22 March 2023 00:30 (one week ago) link
I do really really like that album, more than a few stones classics.. “citadel” and “light years” are both magic.
― brimstead, Wednesday, 22 March 2023 00:44 (one week ago) link
― brimstead, Wednesday, 22 March 2023 00:47 (one week ago) link
t's not the best but I really love it, my pet crackpot take being that "2000 Light Years from Home" feels like the first krautrock song
It does sound like a hairy ancestor of a Can track on Future Days.
― the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 March 2023 00:57 (one week ago) link
Nothing controversial here until you start defending the jams on "Sing This All Together" and "Gomper".
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 22 March 2023 02:11 (one week ago) link
i agree about SMJ— also the only Stones record I have a first vinyl pressing of, a gift from a friend
― Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Wednesday, 22 March 2023 20:24 (one week ago) link
xpost thx brimstead!
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 22 March 2023 20:25 (one week ago) link
np the circle and the herd are both better than the first three wipers albums
― brimstead, Wednesday, 22 March 2023 22:41 (one week ago) link
dance yrself clean's wordless vocal line in the intro in the beginning sounds a lot like this chorus (around 1:18):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAwkmBrWbGE
― fpsa, Wednesday, 22 March 2023 23:00 (one week ago) link
that's a great tune!
here's his supervillain origin story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYCz06bS380
kinda seems like a nice guy who'd be a valuable poster
― corrs unplugged, Thursday, 23 March 2023 07:29 (six days ago) link
I don't always sleep unshavenly in a dress shirt
But when I do I aspire to sleep in a dress shirt with the same unshaven aplomb as James Murphy of LCD Soundsystem
― carne asana (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 23 March 2023 13:43 (six days ago) link
xpost to "Use other words please." maybe?
cheesy, corny, sappy
^^^can be complimentary and should be used in such a way more frequently; if not at least in a more "neutral description" sort of way. reclaim these the same way as "dated." because for some listeners, they are not negative qualities. i like a dumb gimmick and a big crescendo. that stuff sells the song sometimes and seals the deal for me. sure some people go too far and become afroman, but with the right amount you're basically bowie or prince.
(and let's not forget all those corny personas stevie wonder would conjure. has that ever been properly addressed? what were those songs about anyhow?)
― ''can be prusuaded to show gayness'' (Austin), Saturday, 25 March 2023 18:44 (four days ago) link
I'd say this topic needs its own thread and would be surprised if it doesn't already have at least one.
― The field divisions are fastened with felicitations. (Deflatormouse), Saturday, 25 March 2023 22:08 (four days ago) link
"corny"
I hate the adjective "Corny".
Cheesy
gr8 post from Tom Ewing in that last one re: Emotionally Maniupulative vs. Intellectually Manipulative
― The field divisions are fastened with felicitations. (Deflatormouse), Saturday, 25 March 2023 22:13 (four days ago) link
"real good, real nice"
― ''can be prusuaded to show gayness'' (Austin), Saturday, 25 March 2023 23:43 (four days ago) link
Most music on the broader pop spectrum takes a stance on this unavoidably and usually shows some process of deliberation on this question, I think.
― The field divisions are fastened with felicitations. (Deflatormouse), Sunday, 26 March 2023 00:03 (three days ago) link
Not just pop but i mean this isn't something e.g. carnatic music has to address.
― The field divisions are fastened with felicitations. (Deflatormouse), Sunday, 26 March 2023 00:10 (three days ago) link
Fela sounds better without sax solos
― liberal with a capital LIE (Hunt3r), Monday, 27 March 2023 17:15 (two days ago) link
I don't know that that's so controversial, I don't think many people rate Fela's sax playing!
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Monday, 27 March 2023 17:22 (two days ago) link
does he have a lot of tracks where he doesn't play sax? (I assume so, but I also just imagined that he did a little sax solo on each one)
I prefer his keyboard playing, but have never really had any issue with his sax honking.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 27 March 2023 17:31 (two days ago) link
I can't think of many where he doesn't play sax at some point. He isn't very good but I'm not that bothered about that.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Monday, 27 March 2023 17:36 (two days ago) link
Sun Ra's discovery of the synthesizer, though responsible for producing some sublime music, was ultimately a net loss for the discography
― Paul Ponzi, Monday, 27 March 2023 18:09 (two days ago) link
fela’s opening solo on “gentleman” is pretty badass imo
― brimstead, Monday, 27 March 2023 18:27 (two days ago) link
i'm accepting i'm really uncertified for my controversial opinion. opinion rescinded. going back to just listening and enjoying.
― liberal with a capital LIE (Hunt3r), Monday, 27 March 2023 20:11 (two days ago) link
the other horns on fela tracks are sublime enough for me not to notice the subpar sax
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 27 March 2023 20:20 (two days ago) link
(i do agree the horn sections generally are awesome to my ears all the way)
― liberal with a capital LIE (Hunt3r), Monday, 27 March 2023 20:32 (two days ago) link
I love "corny", the word that is, and people using it when it's required, I don't like things that are corny.
"Cheesy" and "sappy" can kick rocks
― touche pas ma planète (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 27 March 2023 21:17 (two days ago) link
Have to agree
― Xennial’s School for Jaded Oldsters (morrisp), Monday, 27 March 2023 21:35 (two days ago) link
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 27 March 2023 22:12 (two days ago) link
Mmmm, the horn parts themselves are iconic and oft-imitated, but the trumpets are often pretty weak, you don't really want to hear any of them solo for too long.
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 27 March 2023 22:30 (two days ago) link
right but solo isn't what the horns do -- imo the horns punctuate rather than take center stage. i like it!
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 27 March 2023 22:56 (two days ago) link
Are we talking technical proficiency ? The horns are maybe not essential to the funk groove but they bring energy and personality and are integral to the melodic themes. Colonial mentality, Expensive Shit, Water no Get Enemy, Go Slow, Trouble Sleep Yanga Wake Am, Why Black Man Dey Suffer, Alu Jon Jonki Jon ... all the most glorious Kuti songs have soaring sax / horns lines. They don't have a clean sound like James Brown, but that's also part of Fela's live feel.
― Nabozo, Tuesday, 28 March 2023 06:35 (yesterday) link
sorry to interrupt this with a total random thing—
—i don't have any thoughts because i always figured horns were such an integral part of fela's sound and he was the band leader and a better sax player than at least half the audience, so why the hell not just ride the groove a bit? i like neil young riffing on the theme for "cortez the killer" so fela honkin along to "water no get enemy" isn't much of a stretch—
—and now, to my very unrelated point:
jamiriquai : r+b :: the eagles : classic rock
and to quote a very cliched thing, i fucken hate the eagles, man.
― ''i am the kanye west kanye west thinks he is.'' (Austin), Wednesday, 29 March 2023 02:26 (two hours ago) link