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the other day in Chicago I overheard some Actual Teens talking about Billie Eilish, and it's fairly uncommon for someone in the general alt-pop space to both be actually popular with actual young people who are not extremely online, and to make interesting music

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 27 July 2018 17:34 (one year ago) link

Saw her earlier this year at the Paradise in Boston and crowd was 95% under 18, super triple thrilled to be there and knew EVERY SINGLE WORD.

She has lots of really good tunes. "Idontwannabeyouanymore" is a classic.

Really liking the new single after what were a couple of misses for me. I like that she re-did that track w Vince Staples, but, thought it was trash compared to the album version.
Here's to hoping her love of hip-hop continues to get integrated better and better over time.

mr.raffles, Friday, 27 July 2018 18:00 (one year ago) link

second of those much more promising than first

imago, Friday, 27 July 2018 18:15 (one year ago) link

Thank you for starting this thread, katherine. I'm on board.

Jeff W, Friday, 27 July 2018 18:46 (one year ago) link

yeah, the second is my favorite thus far -- not so much in sound but in misanthropy it reminds me a lot of early laura marling

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 27 July 2018 22:12 (one year ago) link

I think this one is the song I like best from her discog to date

Jeff W, Monday, 30 July 2018 14:57 (one year ago) link

I love the attitude and conviction in these and that bass rumble in "you should see me in a crown" is >>>

boxedjoy, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 16:37 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

My 11-year-old stepkid is obsessed with her - not bad! A lot better than most of the other pop stuff she listens to, and I'm not even sure where she first heard Billie Eilish since it doesn't seem like she gets much radio play? Is she on a kids'/teen show soundtrack somewhere?

Roz, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 10:27 (eleven months ago) link

"Lovely" with Khalid was on the 13 Reasons Why soundtrack

Iain Mew (if), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 13:09 (eleven months ago) link

Hmm I haven't let her watch that show cause I don't think she's ready to handle the subject matter. She does listen to Khalid quite a bit though, so maybe just came across during a YouTube binge.

"you should see me in a crown" is v v good.

Roz, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 15:25 (eleven months ago) link

New song

Jeff W, Thursday, 18 October 2018 19:23 (eleven months ago) link

i like that one. its video is grippingly dramatic

dyl, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 04:51 (ten months ago) link

I noticed “when the party’s over” is in the top 20 of global spotify streams. What’s the story behind this? A movie/ad license? Was she famous prior to this single?

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 09:16 (ten months ago) link

Check her play counts on Spotify. She's been quietly big for awhile.
She was already on her way at the time, but the track w Khalid really pushed her over.

mr.raffles, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 12:44 (ten months ago) link

she seems to be similar to halsey in that she's been able to build up a very large teenage following prior to scoring any proper radio hits

dyl, Thursday, 1 November 2018 01:48 (ten months ago) link

I've tried to ignore her for some time because of her idolisation of and connection to XXXtentacion, but I'm pretty taken with this latest single. There's a lot of The Love Club EP about it.

monotony, Thursday, 1 November 2018 02:05 (ten months ago) link

I've tried to ignore her for some time because of her idolisation of and connection to XXXtentacion

this is a thing with young artists I've just given up on because it increasingly seems like one would have to write off the entirety of current pop artists (and that's just based on what's known and out there, god knows how many collaborations were planned/scrapped)

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 1 November 2018 21:19 (ten months ago) link

oh i didn't know that re: x

guess i'm not surprised tho

dyl, Saturday, 3 November 2018 02:12 (ten months ago) link

three weeks pass...

New single is great:

She keeps finding new wrinkles on what Billie EIlish songs are with all these singles. Great fun having her making so much music.

64th in the world on Spotify?
That's like Future (#60) level of fame. If "Fine China" or "Realer N Realer" don't take off, he's dust.

mr.raffles, Saturday, 24 November 2018 05:14 (nine months ago) link

1 more popular than Juice WRLD (#65).

mr.raffles, Saturday, 24 November 2018 05:18 (nine months ago) link

two weeks pass...

(Kids redacted)

— Stephen malkmus (@dronecoma) December 11, 2018

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 01:54 (nine months ago) link

one month passes...

debut album scheduled for release march 29th. i semi-consistently enjoy her new releases so i guess i'm anticipating it!

dyl, Thursday, 31 January 2019 05:59 (seven months ago) link

is it wild to say that this one almost reminds me of róisín circa ruby blue

monotony, Thursday, 31 January 2019 06:45 (seven months ago) link

ICYMI, this was pretty interesting

that's not my post, Thursday, 31 January 2019 06:53 (seven months ago) link

is it wild to say that this one almost reminds me of róisín circa ruby blue

― monotony, Thursday, January 31, 2019 1:45 AM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not at all, it's very "night of the dancing flame"

theorizing your yells (katherine), Sunday, 3 February 2019 23:46 (seven months ago) link

Good call.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 4 February 2019 03:52 (seven months ago) link

two weeks pass...

this songs pretty good and I like the production but the current trend of suicide ideation as a sign of artistic credibility annoys the fuck out of me

. (Michael B), Sunday, 24 February 2019 11:32 (six months ago) link

Michael, I notice that too. Inwards aggression.

nathom, Sunday, 24 February 2019 15:51 (six months ago) link

billie could u not

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 03:10 (six months ago) link

whatever u say abt her she's much better than lorde

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Saturday, 9 March 2019 20:01 (six months ago) link

Based on those lyrics that seems... implausible

Simon H., Saturday, 9 March 2019 20:02 (six months ago) link

i haven't spent much time with lorde's music really but that seems like a perfectly defensible position to me

dyl, Sunday, 10 March 2019 01:40 (six months ago) link

I like Billie Eilish but wow that seems totally wrong to me.

Call me when she's released something as good as "The Louvre" or "Writer in the Dark".

Roz, Sunday, 10 March 2019 02:46 (six months ago) link

no one in history has ever described what they like about "the louvre" without mentioning its sole memorable line

dyl, Sunday, 10 March 2019 05:40 (six months ago) link

it's good tho so i feel bad for dissing it

dyl, Sunday, 10 March 2019 05:40 (six months ago) link

i always thought lorde was insanely overrated (esp by press ppl eager to have a young woman star or w/e during peak poptimism) so i have something of a bias here...the amt of hype leading into her soph project was ridic considering how quickly it faded afterward

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Sunday, 10 March 2019 11:02 (six months ago) link

but to me billie eilish whatever her other faults sells u on her as a kind of auteur in a way i never got from lorde personally

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Sunday, 10 March 2019 11:02 (six months ago) link

I've tried listening a few times and I wish she should speak up a little more.

☮ (peace, man), Sunday, 10 March 2019 12:53 (six months ago) link

I'm getting to the point where I can't really even listen to anyone who seems like a rich kid

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 10 March 2019 15:41 (six months ago) link

her music is dreck and the claim that she's better than lorde is simply outrageous

calumy (rip van wanko), Sunday, 10 March 2019 15:50 (six months ago) link

which artist's hit tune contains the line "i'm kind of over getting told to throw my hands up in the air, so there"

dyl, Sunday, 10 March 2019 19:21 (six months ago) link

Yea the 'so there'part almost seems like it was written by a self mocking teenager - I think her lyrics have come on a fair bit since then

Hinklepicker, Sunday, 10 March 2019 20:22 (six months ago) link

fwiw I think most of the songs in this thread are better than "the louvre" or "writer in the dark"

theorizing your yells (katherine), Sunday, 10 March 2019 20:52 (six months ago) link

two weeks pass...

So this is like soundcloud rap but pop/r&b? Everything madd my teenagers now seems to have this overriding note of bleakness that’s different than merely “sad” or “angsty”. (Not a critique—an observation).

this is the first wave of new music that’s made me feel old and out of the loop.

Trϵϵship, Friday, 29 March 2019 08:12 (five months ago) link

I think musically lana del rey is a better reference point than lorde, btw, but this is coming from a slightly different emotional place. (love lana)

Trϵϵship, Friday, 29 March 2019 08:18 (five months ago) link

it is that overriding note of bleakness that makes one feel out of the loop. i got it with brockhampton too. it is the music of *prepares self for trenchant overload* people raised by smart technology rather than humans, and therein lies the bleakness

PPL+AI=NS (imago), Friday, 29 March 2019 08:30 (five months ago) link

I don’t want to go too far in saying why this kind of music is resonating with people born after 1995 but it certainly is. i’m wondering what exactly the musical qualities are that i’m picking up on

Trϵϵship, Friday, 29 March 2019 08:41 (five months ago) link

I learned about Billie Ellish from the 9-year-old.

He probably found her not from TV or a movie, but through a combination of TikTok, YouTube and Roblox.

Meanwhile, my Discover Weekly playlist on Spotify thinks I need more Canned Heat in my life.

pplains, Friday, 29 March 2019 08:45 (five months ago) link

My discover weekly wants to firmly keep me mentally in 2007. All the comfort food indie of my college years plus a bit of tasteful postpunk for when I feel retro. Maybe spotify is trying to protect me from something.

Trϵϵship, Friday, 29 March 2019 08:48 (five months ago) link

The idea of a 9 year old liking a song like “when the party’s over” is baffling to me.

Trϵϵship, Friday, 29 March 2019 08:55 (five months ago) link

You guys and your "lyrics," I swear! ;D

(It also sounds like Ke$ha, does she remind you of her as an artist?)

the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Monday, 22 July 2019 21:32 (one month ago) link

to clarify, it's mostly in her vocal delivery and ~vibe~ that i hear LDR but it might be that i'm just ignorant of some common ancestor of the two. also, i'm a LDR fanatic so the comparison is meant as a compliment! i'll do some more listening and come up with some concrete examples in the next few days

diamonddave85​​ (diamonddave85), Monday, 22 July 2019 21:37 (one month ago) link

Her vibe is more Fiona Apple than LDR to me

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 22 July 2019 22:04 (one month ago) link

For me, Lorde is such a hugely obvious musical antecedent, I have a hard time calling anyone else to mind.

Just listen to "Watch" (from Eilish's 2017 EP) -- if you had told me this was a Lorde track, I would have absolutely believed it (it's a great track, btw):

the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Monday, 22 July 2019 22:14 (one month ago) link

I've found that like BE's earlier stuff a whole lot more than the new album.

the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Monday, 22 July 2019 22:16 (one month ago) link

(It also sounds like Ke$ha, does she remind you of her as an artist?)

If you can find some topping-from-below lyrics from Ke$ha, go for it...

... (Eazy), Monday, 22 July 2019 22:56 (one month ago) link

Realized that the Ellish/Lana connection I was making was partly between Bad Guy and the "I'm your man" persona in "Mariner's Apartment Complex."

... (Eazy), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 22:55 (one month ago) link

LDR? Are you guys serious?

Matt DC, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 23:12 (one month ago) link

the only LDR I hear is in the croony bridge to "Bad Guy" which is clearly a joke, since the track goes sicko mode trap breakdown after it

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 23:24 (one month ago) link

the connection might be dependent on how familiar you are with ldr deep cuts? i don't want to make any assumptions though.

i hear some "ride" in "when the party's over", some "lolita" in "you should see me in a crown". the chorus of "my strange addiction" reminds me of one i can't put my finger on. borrowing classic rock melodies is another of ldr's tricks and i definitely heard the "people are strange" melody somewhere on the album. to a lesser extent, i hear some trip hop w/ modern beats vibez on the album which (as far as i know) ldr helped pioneer. also she cites ldr as an influence so there's that too

diamonddave85​​ (diamonddave85), Thursday, 25 July 2019 00:18 (one month ago) link

In fairness, I despise virtually everything I’ve heard by Lana Del Rey so I have invested zero time in investigating her deep cuts

brigadier pudding (DJP), Thursday, 25 July 2019 00:29 (one month ago) link

TBF, me neither.

the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Thursday, 25 July 2019 00:45 (one month ago) link

I don't hear it myself, but fwiw BE herself says LDR is one of her favourite artists and a major influence.

Roz, Thursday, 25 July 2019 00:49 (one month ago) link

It's not so much about their sound as their relationship to men.

... (Eazy), Thursday, 25 July 2019 01:04 (one month ago) link

Oddly enough the artist she reminds me the most is Emilie Simon but I'm not sure if she was popular at all in the US so it might be an obscure reference.

According to quora: If you like self-made artists, listen to Clairo, Cuco, Gus Dapperton, the Marias, mxmtoon, Jessie Reyes, Cosmo Pyke, Khalid, Kali Uchis. If you're looking for more like Billie's style: Troye Sivan, Hailey Kiyoko, Lana Del Rey, Madison Beer, Marina and the Diamonds, Lorde

haha self-made. I also think Lorde is the closest, popular reference.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 25 July 2019 03:03 (one month ago) link

mmm Emilie Simon's discography isn't even complete on spotify, it's missing it's debut from 2003 which is the closest reference to Billie Eilish I can think of, so yeah I guess she's not that popular.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 25 July 2019 03:09 (one month ago) link

She also sounds similar to Soko in my mind.

She reminds me to a lot of french pop singers from the 00's.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 25 July 2019 03:11 (one month ago) link

Exhibit A:

Emilie Simon - to the dancers in the rain

ASMR, whisper vocals + baroque melodies on synths + beats

also see: flowers, i wanna be your dog (stooges cover), desert

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 25 July 2019 03:16 (one month ago) link

I was listening to Bad Guy the other day and it kept reminding me of something that I couldn't put my finger on. But then it hit me: AronChupa and Little Sis Nora.

Not in terms of any direct melodic or rhythmic swipe, you understand. Sparse basic dance pop. Pseudo-goth video vibe. European folkish melodic hook.

I dunno. No one else will hear it the way I hear it probably, but I just wanted to put this out there.

☮ (peace, man), Friday, 26 July 2019 11:49 (one month ago) link

"when the party's over" slayed me today

k3vin k., Sunday, 28 July 2019 05:05 (one month ago) link

her biggest heartbreaker for me too

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Sunday, 28 July 2019 06:20 (one month ago) link

i definitely heard the "people are strange" melody somewhere on the album

It was the first thing I thought of when I first heard "Bury a Friend". A quick Google suggests that the Internet has noticed this.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Sunday, 28 July 2019 11:58 (one month ago) link

It's a broad strokes kind of thing obv but the progression and the melodic line at the cadence are similar.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Sunday, 28 July 2019 12:10 (one month ago) link

Gen X rock stars like Dave Grohl, Eddie Vedder, Billie Joe Armstrong, and Thom Yorke have been taking their kids to see Eilish perform and stopping by to say hello to the pop star. “Yorke was a little tough,” says her manager, Brian Marquis. “He was just as you’d expect: curmudgeonly, perturbed.” Marquis says Yorke told Eilish, “You’re the only one doing anything fucking interesting nowadays.”

curmudgeon, Saturday, 3 August 2019 01:54 (one month ago) link

lol fuck thom yorke

Vape Store (crüt), Saturday, 3 August 2019 01:56 (one month ago) link

well obviously he was including himself in that

j., Saturday, 3 August 2019 02:07 (one month ago) link

Rough analogue of Bowie praising Lorde

60... 90... 120 Minute IPA (morrisp), Saturday, 3 August 2019 02:12 (one month ago) link

Recently, her family’s home address leaked online, and three fans showed up in a single day, including a creepy older guy who’d driven all the way from San Diego.

That sucks.

60... 90... 120 Minute IPA (morrisp), Saturday, 3 August 2019 02:21 (one month ago) link

Heavy interview. That Red Rocks show sounds wild.

60... 90... 120 Minute IPA (morrisp), Saturday, 3 August 2019 02:44 (one month ago) link

the quote from finneas about the particular instrumentation that does and does not work with billie's voice was very astute, I thought, the sort of observation that makes you (well, me) go back and re-listen and sure enough

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Saturday, 3 August 2019 05:55 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

the no. 1 artist in the country!

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 22 August 2019 19:10 (four weeks ago) link

what an amazing ascent. i hope she's handling it

husserl gang (rip van wanko), Thursday, 22 August 2019 19:16 (four weeks ago) link

I can see Bad Guy used in a lot of tv/movie preview montages and stuff

― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, April 10, 2019 2:30 PM

it's pretty ubiquitous on every MTV show commercial and reality TV montage

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 22 August 2019 19:17 (four weeks ago) link

the new Cannonball

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 22 August 2019 19:23 (four weeks ago) link

Billie Eilish fascinates me – it’d be interesting to see what she’s doing live. About the rest of them, I couldn’t give a God’s curse.

lol bless her

Number None, Thursday, 29 August 2019 22:34 (three weeks ago) link

the new Cannonball

That holds up.

... (Eazy), Thursday, 29 August 2019 22:57 (three weeks ago) link


maura, Thursday, 29 August 2019 23:36 (three weeks ago) link

new song (kinda):

it's written by Billie and her brother Finneas and sung by Tate McRae (dance prodigy and youtube musician who has a pretty big following). it sounds more like Billie's don't smile at me material than anything she's recorded since, and I wonder if she originally intended to release it herself.

Finneas has also co-written a song with Rebecca Black, but we really don't need to talk about that.

hoostanbank de reason lyrics mp4 hd video download (unregistered), Monday, 2 September 2019 04:59 (two weeks ago) link

...We don’t?

what else are you all “over” (Champiness), Monday, 2 September 2019 07:09 (two weeks ago) link

Finally getting around to this album. There's definitely something there, even if I find it hard to get over one of her middle names being Pirate

imago, Monday, 2 September 2019 09:07 (two weeks ago) link

I like the middle name "Pirate" because it makes me feel less guilty for ripping her music off slsk :P

I feel like Billie doesn't get enough credit for being one of the most successful fanbase hijackers in history. in 2015 Melanie Martinez was the unchallenged queen of melodic, trap-influenced, slightly non-mainstream "edgy" teenpop aimed almost exclusively at 12-16-year-olds, and Billie rose to fame with a similar formula in 2017-2018 at a time when a lot of Melanie's fans had either outgrown her, cancelled her, or grown tired of waiting for a new album. a sizeable chunk of Billie's EP (COPYCAT, My Boy, Party Favor) is practically a tribute to Melanie, who was imho a more direct musical influence on her than Lorde or Lana. the difference between the two is that Melanie has boxed herself into the role of children's entertainer due to her single-minded obsession with dark childhood whimsy, whereas Billie's music has matured and evolved to the point where boomer critics and listeners have begun to take her seriously

^tbf this is mostly conjecture, and it's party undermined by the fact that people actually seem to care about Melanie's just-released multimedia monstrosity

hoostanbank de reason lyrics mp4 hd video download (unregistered), Friday, 6 September 2019 16:32 (one week ago) link

Absolutely otm if the example of my elder daughter is typical. Although I listened to Martinez with a mental eye-roll whereas it was instantly clear Billie was in a different league.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Friday, 6 September 2019 22:26 (one week ago) link

My elder daughter confirms that Billie absorbed Martinez's fans after some sort of scandal? But that Billie does it better.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 6 September 2019 22:33 (one week ago) link

haha, I appreciate the front line reporting from both of you. it looks like Billie namechecked Melanie Martinez shortly after the release of her EP (and a couple of months before Melanie was accused of raping a former friend), but even then she felt the need to disclaim that she didn't really listen to a lot of Melanie's music. she's right about 'Soap' being a good song, but I'm glad she never fully embraced the "Bop It is a metaphor for our sex life" school of songwriting, and there's very little of that on her album

hoostanbank de reason lyrics mp4 hd video download (unregistered), Saturday, 7 September 2019 02:46 (one week ago) link

i think the tomboying of martinez’s aesthetic (which when i saw her was very “nine year old left flat after her birthday party”) is a factor here too. the big mr yuk green sweatshirts and baggy shorts are much more accessible and appealing as an emulatabke look

maura, Sunday, 8 September 2019 10:05 (one week ago) link

Aaaah she was the one I was thinking about when trying to find the closest relative to Billie Eilish’s sound and completely blanked. Had no idea she was that popular it’s been a while since I heard anything about her. I wont be watching that k-12 video because it’s too long for me as I’m not a big fan of her so it’s not particularly directed to my interests but I feel glad that an hour and a half musical video is faring rather well in views. It’s an interesting way to deliver a conceptual album and hope it inspires other artists to present ambitious multimedia projects like this one. Last year it was Whack World. But we need more musical movies out there.

Having someone like say Janelle Monae or FKa Twigs or Grimes or Beyonce, hell even Billie Eilish do a multimedia album like this would be interesting.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 8 September 2019 14:35 (one week ago) link

uh Whack World is a god tier video album - the Martinez one is embarrassingly awful.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Sunday, 8 September 2019 19:48 (one week ago) link

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