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the other day in Chicago I overheard some Actual Teens talking about Billie Eilish, and it's fairly uncommon for someone in the general alt-pop space to both be actually popular with actual young people who are not extremely online, and to make interesting music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBRi6aZJGj4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za8Ki4CCXgg

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 27 July 2018 17:34 (nine months ago) Permalink

Saw her earlier this year at the Paradise in Boston and crowd was 95% under 18, super triple thrilled to be there and knew EVERY SINGLE WORD.

She has lots of really good tunes. "Idontwannabeyouanymore" is a classic.

Really liking the new single after what were a couple of misses for me. I like that she re-did that track w Vince Staples, but, thought it was trash compared to the album version.
Here's to hoping her love of hip-hop continues to get integrated better and better over time.

mr.raffles, Friday, 27 July 2018 18:00 (nine months ago) Permalink

second of those much more promising than first

imago, Friday, 27 July 2018 18:15 (nine months ago) Permalink

Thank you for starting this thread, katherine. I'm on board.

Jeff W, Friday, 27 July 2018 18:46 (nine months ago) Permalink

yeah, the second is my favorite thus far -- not so much in sound but in misanthropy it reminds me a lot of early laura marling

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 27 July 2018 22:12 (nine months ago) Permalink

I think this one is the song I like best from her discog to date

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVUmSgzgOqs

Jeff W, Monday, 30 July 2018 14:57 (nine months ago) Permalink

I love the attitude and conviction in these and that bass rumble in "you should see me in a crown" is >>>

boxedjoy, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 16:37 (nine months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

My 11-year-old stepkid is obsessed with her - not bad! A lot better than most of the other pop stuff she listens to, and I'm not even sure where she first heard Billie Eilish since it doesn't seem like she gets much radio play? Is she on a kids'/teen show soundtrack somewhere?

Roz, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 10:27 (seven months ago) Permalink

"Lovely" with Khalid was on the 13 Reasons Why soundtrack

Iain Mew (if), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 13:09 (seven months ago) Permalink

Hmm I haven't let her watch that show cause I don't think she's ready to handle the subject matter. She does listen to Khalid quite a bit though, so maybe just came across during a YouTube binge.

"you should see me in a crown" is v v good.

Roz, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 15:25 (seven months ago) Permalink

New song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6WNdcZpDhQ

Jeff W, Thursday, 18 October 2018 19:23 (seven months ago) Permalink

i like that one. its video is grippingly dramatic

dyl, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 04:51 (six months ago) Permalink

I noticed “when the party’s over” is in the top 20 of global spotify streams. What’s the story behind this? A movie/ad license? Was she famous prior to this single?

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 09:16 (six months ago) Permalink

Check her play counts on Spotify. She's been quietly big for awhile.
She was already on her way at the time, but the track w Khalid really pushed her over.

mr.raffles, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 12:44 (six months ago) Permalink

she seems to be similar to halsey in that she's been able to build up a very large teenage following prior to scoring any proper radio hits

dyl, Thursday, 1 November 2018 01:48 (six months ago) Permalink

I've tried to ignore her for some time because of her idolisation of and connection to XXXtentacion, but I'm pretty taken with this latest single. There's a lot of The Love Club EP about it.

monotony, Thursday, 1 November 2018 02:05 (six months ago) Permalink

I've tried to ignore her for some time because of her idolisation of and connection to XXXtentacion

this is a thing with young artists I've just given up on because it increasingly seems like one would have to write off the entirety of current pop artists (and that's just based on what's known and out there, god knows how many collaborations were planned/scrapped)

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 1 November 2018 21:19 (six months ago) Permalink

oh i didn't know that re: x

guess i'm not surprised tho

dyl, Saturday, 3 November 2018 02:12 (six months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

New single is great:
https://youtu.be/xXFdnHiGwos

She keeps finding new wrinkles on what Billie EIlish songs are with all these singles. Great fun having her making so much music.

64th in the world on Spotify?
That's like Future (#60) level of fame. If "Fine China" or "Realer N Realer" don't take off, he's dust.

mr.raffles, Saturday, 24 November 2018 05:14 (six months ago) Permalink

1 more popular than Juice WRLD (#65).

mr.raffles, Saturday, 24 November 2018 05:18 (six months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

(Kids redacted) pic.twitter.com/wRF6TSLrBn

— Stephen malkmus (@dronecoma) December 11, 2018

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 01:54 (five months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUHC9tYz8ik

debut album scheduled for release march 29th. i semi-consistently enjoy her new releases so i guess i'm anticipating it!

dyl, Thursday, 31 January 2019 05:59 (three months ago) Permalink

is it wild to say that this one almost reminds me of róisín circa ruby blue

monotony, Thursday, 31 January 2019 06:45 (three months ago) Permalink

ICYMI, this was pretty interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm0MGnuRnH0

that's not my post, Thursday, 31 January 2019 06:53 (three months ago) Permalink

is it wild to say that this one almost reminds me of róisín circa ruby blue

― monotony, Thursday, January 31, 2019 1:45 AM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not at all, it's very "night of the dancing flame"

theorizing your yells (katherine), Sunday, 3 February 2019 23:46 (three months ago) Permalink

Good call.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 4 February 2019 03:52 (three months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

this songs pretty good and I like the production but the current trend of suicide ideation as a sign of artistic credibility annoys the fuck out of me

. (Michael B), Sunday, 24 February 2019 11:32 (three months ago) Permalink

Michael, I notice that too. Inwards aggression.

nathom, Sunday, 24 February 2019 15:51 (three months ago) Permalink

billie could u not https://genius.com/Billie-eilish-wish-you-were-gay-lyrics

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 03:10 (two months ago) Permalink

whatever u say abt her she's much better than lorde

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Saturday, 9 March 2019 20:01 (two months ago) Permalink

Based on those lyrics that seems... implausible

Simon H., Saturday, 9 March 2019 20:02 (two months ago) Permalink

i haven't spent much time with lorde's music really but that seems like a perfectly defensible position to me

dyl, Sunday, 10 March 2019 01:40 (two months ago) Permalink

I like Billie Eilish but wow that seems totally wrong to me.

Call me when she's released something as good as "The Louvre" or "Writer in the Dark".

Roz, Sunday, 10 March 2019 02:46 (two months ago) Permalink

no one in history has ever described what they like about "the louvre" without mentioning its sole memorable line

dyl, Sunday, 10 March 2019 05:40 (two months ago) Permalink

it's good tho so i feel bad for dissing it

dyl, Sunday, 10 March 2019 05:40 (two months ago) Permalink

i always thought lorde was insanely overrated (esp by press ppl eager to have a young woman star or w/e during peak poptimism) so i have something of a bias here...the amt of hype leading into her soph project was ridic considering how quickly it faded afterward

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Sunday, 10 March 2019 11:02 (two months ago) Permalink

but to me billie eilish whatever her other faults sells u on her as a kind of auteur in a way i never got from lorde personally

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Sunday, 10 March 2019 11:02 (two months ago) Permalink

I've tried listening a few times and I wish she should speak up a little more.

☮ (peace, man), Sunday, 10 March 2019 12:53 (two months ago) Permalink

I'm getting to the point where I can't really even listen to anyone who seems like a rich kid

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 10 March 2019 15:41 (two months ago) Permalink

her music is dreck and the claim that she's better than lorde is simply outrageous

calumy (rip van wanko), Sunday, 10 March 2019 15:50 (two months ago) Permalink

which artist's hit tune contains the line "i'm kind of over getting told to throw my hands up in the air, so there"

dyl, Sunday, 10 March 2019 19:21 (two months ago) Permalink

Yea the 'so there'part almost seems like it was written by a self mocking teenager - I think her lyrics have come on a fair bit since then

Hinklepicker, Sunday, 10 March 2019 20:22 (two months ago) Permalink

fwiw I think most of the songs in this thread are better than "the louvre" or "writer in the dark"

theorizing your yells (katherine), Sunday, 10 March 2019 20:52 (two months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

So this is like soundcloud rap but pop/r&b? Everything madd my teenagers now seems to have this overriding note of bleakness that’s different than merely “sad” or “angsty”. (Not a critique—an observation).

this is the first wave of new music that’s made me feel old and out of the loop.

Trϵϵship, Friday, 29 March 2019 08:12 (one month ago) Permalink

I think musically lana del rey is a better reference point than lorde, btw, but this is coming from a slightly different emotional place. (love lana)

Trϵϵship, Friday, 29 March 2019 08:18 (one month ago) Permalink

it is that overriding note of bleakness that makes one feel out of the loop. i got it with brockhampton too. it is the music of *prepares self for trenchant overload* people raised by smart technology rather than humans, and therein lies the bleakness

PPL+AI=NS (imago), Friday, 29 March 2019 08:30 (one month ago) Permalink

I don’t want to go too far in saying why this kind of music is resonating with people born after 1995 but it certainly is. i’m wondering what exactly the musical qualities are that i’m picking up on

Trϵϵship, Friday, 29 March 2019 08:41 (one month ago) Permalink

I learned about Billie Ellish from the 9-year-old.

He probably found her not from TV or a movie, but through a combination of TikTok, YouTube and Roblox.

Meanwhile, my Discover Weekly playlist on Spotify thinks I need more Canned Heat in my life.

pplains, Friday, 29 March 2019 08:45 (one month ago) Permalink

My discover weekly wants to firmly keep me mentally in 2007. All the comfort food indie of my college years plus a bit of tasteful postpunk for when I feel retro. Maybe spotify is trying to protect me from something.

Trϵϵship, Friday, 29 March 2019 08:48 (one month ago) Permalink

The idea of a 9 year old liking a song like “when the party’s over” is baffling to me.

Trϵϵship, Friday, 29 March 2019 08:55 (one month ago) Permalink

I get more Kate Bush than Lana Del Ray. Granted, I think i have barely heard any Lana Del Ray songs.

I don't feel old listening to this. It seems pretty universal pre-teen/teen all serious, mood and gloom.

Yerac, Sunday, 31 March 2019 16:49 (one month ago) Permalink

I think most teenage girls go through a phase where their parents think they are sociopaths.

Yerac, Sunday, 31 March 2019 16:51 (one month ago) Permalink

I am specifically referring to "^^You're being a dumb asshole for holding this opinion and then showing up in pop music threads to shit on it anyway. Stay the fuck away if you don't like it." this isn't a stan forum

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Sunday, 31 March 2019 17:02 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah that attitude is really childish. dissent is fine, it's just that turrican is really bad at it

brimstead, Sunday, 31 March 2019 17:28 (one month ago) Permalink

Don't say, I'm not your type
Just say that I'm not your preferred sexual orientation

how do grownups listen to this

Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 31 March 2019 18:12 (one month ago) Permalink

huh didn’t know she was afro latina

flopson, Sunday, 31 March 2019 19:20 (one month ago) Permalink

I apologize for getting hot under the collar; guess I was successfully trolled. FTR, though, it had nothing to do with suppressing dissent or wanting to see only stan posts — much less anything to do with this record, which as I said I haven’t even heard all the way through (I listened to a few tracks and decided it wasn’t even enough “for me” to have/express an opinion on).

IMO, pop is no different from hip-hop, metal, etc. — if your stated opinion is “it all sucks nowadays,” and yet you feel the need to pipe up and proclaim that you also think individual examples of it also suck (without even explaining why), you’re going to draw some heat. But I know I’m not the board police, so sorry again.

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Sunday, 31 March 2019 19:47 (one month ago) Permalink

you still don't get it -- you were not trolled, you encountered someone whose opinion about a piece and/or genre of music differed from yours.

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Sunday, 31 March 2019 21:43 (one month ago) Permalink

(it's particularly weird with regard to an album like this, where it's not hard to see why it might be polarizing for some people -- it isn't engineered for maximum likability, it is gen z as fuck without leaning into "omg so precociously beyond her years!" in the music itself, it is clearly influenced by genres a lot of people really, really hate, like soundcloud rap)

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Sunday, 31 March 2019 21:47 (one month ago) Permalink

I must be thick, to me it just sounds like a well engineered dark pop record with a sense of humour.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Sunday, 31 March 2019 21:53 (one month ago) Permalink

Trolled, “triggered,” whatever — sorry again.

I hear enough “pop music sucks” IRL that I guess I reached a breaking point.

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Sunday, 31 March 2019 21:55 (one month ago) Permalink

(Though IMO spreading unproductive hate in threads about a genre you’ve already stated you don’t like is a kind of trolling.)

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Sunday, 31 March 2019 21:58 (one month ago) Permalink

I must be thick, to me it just sounds like a well engineered dark pop record with a sense of humour.

― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Sunday, March 31, 2019 5:53 PM (forty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, this is my stance, but I've read so many comments on reviews/profiles that are like "sorry this actually sucks," and then there was that whole attempt at a mini-backlash a few days ago

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Sunday, 31 March 2019 22:41 (one month ago) Permalink

"Xanny" could be like a '73/'74 era Roxy track.

If you like melody, modernism and a colorful personality, she really ain't that hard to enjoy?

mr.raffles, Monday, 1 April 2019 03:24 (one month ago) Permalink

I hear enough “pop music sucks” IRL that I guess I reached a breaking point.

― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Sunday, March 31, 2019 9:55 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Well, I'd be the last person to say that pop music sucks. I like pop music, and some days believe there's very little that beats the thrill and rush of a really good pop song/track. I just really hate it when creators of pop music insult the artform by either getting lazy or putting out shite, and I've heard a lot of music which falls under this umbrella this decade.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 00:38 (one month ago) Permalink

'putting out shite'

cheese canopy (map), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 02:36 (one month ago) Permalink

what is lazier than literally anyone who records anything is what turrican says about music he doesn't like.

cheese canopy (map), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 02:39 (one month ago) Permalink

Judging by the music, I completely disagree.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 02:42 (one month ago) Permalink

my 10 year old goddaughter is really interested in this album, which makes me want to listen to it

Dan S, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 03:10 (one month ago) Permalink

Music and cultural "taste" is backed up with correct arguments and facts, not "digging".

― Banaka™

⅋ (crüt), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 16:12 (one month ago) Permalink

I was ready to hate this, but all the kids are right. It's great.

triggercut, Saturday, 6 April 2019 08:25 (one month ago) Permalink

Yep.

pomenitul, Saturday, 6 April 2019 09:26 (one month ago) Permalink

I think most teenage girls go through a phase where their parents think they are sociopaths.

That's the (somewhat winking) conclusion this excellent book comes to, which I almost highly recommend to anyone, not just parents of girls:

https://www.amazon.com/Untangled-Guiding-Teenage-Transitions-Adulthood/dp/0553393057/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=untangled&qid=1554554652&s=gateway&sr=8-2

That said, my older girl seems into this person, and yeah, "gen z as fuck" seems like a good way to sum up her appeal and also why she might turn someone off. For some reason when she plays here this summer she is doing an early and late show, which doesn't seem like something that happens very often anymore.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 6 April 2019 12:47 (one month ago) Permalink

(book is called "Untangled: Guiding Teenage Girls Through the Seven Transitions into Adulthood")

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 6 April 2019 12:48 (one month ago) Permalink

Never been a teenage girl iirc but you'd be forgiven for thinking I too was a sociopath at that age.

pomenitul, Saturday, 6 April 2019 13:08 (one month ago) Permalink

I don’t think she seems like a sociopath, just (in the songs) a little bit of a zombie.

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 6 April 2019 13:18 (one month ago) Permalink

The album is better than i thought though. But gloomy and dull by design—that’s the sound of the moment

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 6 April 2019 13:21 (one month ago) Permalink

When the party’s over is the best one i think

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 6 April 2019 13:24 (one month ago) Permalink

dang I forgot to vote for "Stay". you all would loooooove my falsetto on that one

L'assie (Euler), Saturday, 6 April 2019 13:25 (one month ago) Permalink

gloomy and dull by design

My jam. Nothing makes me feel more alone than the sound of enforced happiness.

pomenitul, Saturday, 6 April 2019 13:26 (one month ago) Permalink

oops wrong thread, should say here, you all would loooooove my falsetto on "Bad Guy"

L'assie (Euler), Saturday, 6 April 2019 13:26 (one month ago) Permalink

I thought you were going to say '8'.

pomenitul, Saturday, 6 April 2019 13:28 (one month ago) Permalink

it's not really a falsetto album, I was scrambling

L'assie (Euler), Saturday, 6 April 2019 13:31 (one month ago) Permalink

so have we settled the matter?

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 6 April 2019 13:36 (one month ago) Permalink

If it’s good or not? I think it’s a very characteristic album for this era. That’s all I’vd really been saying.

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 6 April 2019 13:39 (one month ago) Permalink

i think it's good. i'm not taken by all the tracks yet but still compelled to keep listening. bizarrely "you should see me in a crown", which i didn't like much as a single, has grown on me in the context of the full album

dyl, Saturday, 6 April 2019 15:08 (one month ago) Permalink

weird that pre-teens are now listening to witch house tracks. this stuff is surprisingly good though.

plax (ico), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 17:09 (one month ago) Permalink

I like this a lot. yeah her voice does sound like LDR. whatever. the music is good too.

akm, Tuesday, 9 April 2019 18:50 (one month ago) Permalink

I don’t hear the LDR comparisons... it sounds closer to say, Sofi Tukker to me.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 20:16 (one month ago) Permalink

this podcast on her music was good, ends with an interview of her brother

https://www.switchedonpop.com/billie-eilish-is-a-different-kind-of-pop-star/

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 15:36 (one month ago) Permalink

I haven't listened to Switched-on Pop in a while. Thanks for the reminder.

☮ (peace, man), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 16:44 (one month ago) Permalink

i'm getting a little hooked on some of this

Nick Chiveon (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 16:47 (one month ago) Permalink

it's interesting because her brother's solo music is... well, not bad, but not as good as this

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 18:25 (one month ago) Permalink

I can see Bad Guy used in a lot of tv/movie preview montages and stuff

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 18:30 (one month ago) Permalink

it's interesting because her brother's solo music is... well, not bad, but not as good as this

Weird, because my takeaway from this album was that the brother is as much a discovery as Billie herself. It takes something special to make the soporific sound of the moment wake up a bit while still ticking all the pertinent streaming-friendly boxes, but as far as I’m concerned they’ve done it.

You can't see it but I had an epiphany (Champiness), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 18:40 (one month ago) Permalink

(Of course it’s possible that I’ve just sorely missed the sound of a 4/4 kick drum at a tempo above 110, and “bad guy” and “bury a friend” are very much scratching that itch. But even the trappier stuff like “you should see me in a crown” still feels like a novel twist on the given formula.)

You can't see it but I had an epiphany (Champiness), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 18:42 (one month ago) Permalink

I really like this, especially the 2nd half. "I Love You" is beautiful

Dan S, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 23:57 (one month ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Tricky being in there makes a lot of sense.

Matt DC, Sunday, 5 May 2019 11:09 (three weeks ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

hi i'm old and all the "who is billie eilish? WHY is billie eilish?" writing somehow made me not getting around to listening to her music for a while and.. i really like it!

also otm:
have people confused about why teens like angsty music ever been teens

― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Saturday, March 30, 2019 9:22 AM (one month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

mh, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 18:55 (four days ago) Permalink


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