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the other day in Chicago I overheard some Actual Teens talking about Billie Eilish, and it's fairly uncommon for someone in the general alt-pop space to both be actually popular with actual young people who are not extremely online, and to make interesting music

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 27 July 2018 17:34 (eleven months ago) link

Saw her earlier this year at the Paradise in Boston and crowd was 95% under 18, super triple thrilled to be there and knew EVERY SINGLE WORD.

She has lots of really good tunes. "Idontwannabeyouanymore" is a classic.

Really liking the new single after what were a couple of misses for me. I like that she re-did that track w Vince Staples, but, thought it was trash compared to the album version.
Here's to hoping her love of hip-hop continues to get integrated better and better over time.

mr.raffles, Friday, 27 July 2018 18:00 (eleven months ago) link

second of those much more promising than first

imago, Friday, 27 July 2018 18:15 (eleven months ago) link

Thank you for starting this thread, katherine. I'm on board.

Jeff W, Friday, 27 July 2018 18:46 (eleven months ago) link

yeah, the second is my favorite thus far -- not so much in sound but in misanthropy it reminds me a lot of early laura marling

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 27 July 2018 22:12 (eleven months ago) link

I think this one is the song I like best from her discog to date

Jeff W, Monday, 30 July 2018 14:57 (eleven months ago) link

I love the attitude and conviction in these and that bass rumble in "you should see me in a crown" is >>>

boxedjoy, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 16:37 (eleven months ago) link

two months pass...

My 11-year-old stepkid is obsessed with her - not bad! A lot better than most of the other pop stuff she listens to, and I'm not even sure where she first heard Billie Eilish since it doesn't seem like she gets much radio play? Is she on a kids'/teen show soundtrack somewhere?

Roz, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 10:27 (nine months ago) link

"Lovely" with Khalid was on the 13 Reasons Why soundtrack

Iain Mew (if), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 13:09 (nine months ago) link

Hmm I haven't let her watch that show cause I don't think she's ready to handle the subject matter. She does listen to Khalid quite a bit though, so maybe just came across during a YouTube binge.

"you should see me in a crown" is v v good.

Roz, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 15:25 (nine months ago) link

New song

Jeff W, Thursday, 18 October 2018 19:23 (nine months ago) link

i like that one. its video is grippingly dramatic

dyl, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 04:51 (eight months ago) link

I noticed “when the party’s over” is in the top 20 of global spotify streams. What’s the story behind this? A movie/ad license? Was she famous prior to this single?

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 09:16 (eight months ago) link

Check her play counts on Spotify. She's been quietly big for awhile.
She was already on her way at the time, but the track w Khalid really pushed her over.

mr.raffles, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 12:44 (eight months ago) link

she seems to be similar to halsey in that she's been able to build up a very large teenage following prior to scoring any proper radio hits

dyl, Thursday, 1 November 2018 01:48 (eight months ago) link

I've tried to ignore her for some time because of her idolisation of and connection to XXXtentacion, but I'm pretty taken with this latest single. There's a lot of The Love Club EP about it.

monotony, Thursday, 1 November 2018 02:05 (eight months ago) link

I've tried to ignore her for some time because of her idolisation of and connection to XXXtentacion

this is a thing with young artists I've just given up on because it increasingly seems like one would have to write off the entirety of current pop artists (and that's just based on what's known and out there, god knows how many collaborations were planned/scrapped)

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 1 November 2018 21:19 (eight months ago) link

oh i didn't know that re: x

guess i'm not surprised tho

dyl, Saturday, 3 November 2018 02:12 (eight months ago) link

three weeks pass...

New single is great:

She keeps finding new wrinkles on what Billie EIlish songs are with all these singles. Great fun having her making so much music.

64th in the world on Spotify?
That's like Future (#60) level of fame. If "Fine China" or "Realer N Realer" don't take off, he's dust.

mr.raffles, Saturday, 24 November 2018 05:14 (seven months ago) link

1 more popular than Juice WRLD (#65).

mr.raffles, Saturday, 24 November 2018 05:18 (seven months ago) link

two weeks pass...

(Kids redacted)

— Stephen malkmus (@dronecoma) December 11, 2018

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 01:54 (seven months ago) link

one month passes...

debut album scheduled for release march 29th. i semi-consistently enjoy her new releases so i guess i'm anticipating it!

dyl, Thursday, 31 January 2019 05:59 (five months ago) link

is it wild to say that this one almost reminds me of róisín circa ruby blue

monotony, Thursday, 31 January 2019 06:45 (five months ago) link

ICYMI, this was pretty interesting

that's not my post, Thursday, 31 January 2019 06:53 (five months ago) link

is it wild to say that this one almost reminds me of róisín circa ruby blue

― monotony, Thursday, January 31, 2019 1:45 AM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not at all, it's very "night of the dancing flame"

theorizing your yells (katherine), Sunday, 3 February 2019 23:46 (five months ago) link

Good call.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 4 February 2019 03:52 (five months ago) link

two weeks pass...

this songs pretty good and I like the production but the current trend of suicide ideation as a sign of artistic credibility annoys the fuck out of me

. (Michael B), Sunday, 24 February 2019 11:32 (four months ago) link

Michael, I notice that too. Inwards aggression.

nathom, Sunday, 24 February 2019 15:51 (four months ago) link

billie could u not

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 03:10 (four months ago) link

whatever u say abt her she's much better than lorde

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Saturday, 9 March 2019 20:01 (four months ago) link

Based on those lyrics that seems... implausible

Simon H., Saturday, 9 March 2019 20:02 (four months ago) link

i haven't spent much time with lorde's music really but that seems like a perfectly defensible position to me

dyl, Sunday, 10 March 2019 01:40 (four months ago) link

I like Billie Eilish but wow that seems totally wrong to me.

Call me when she's released something as good as "The Louvre" or "Writer in the Dark".

Roz, Sunday, 10 March 2019 02:46 (four months ago) link

no one in history has ever described what they like about "the louvre" without mentioning its sole memorable line

dyl, Sunday, 10 March 2019 05:40 (four months ago) link

it's good tho so i feel bad for dissing it

dyl, Sunday, 10 March 2019 05:40 (four months ago) link

i always thought lorde was insanely overrated (esp by press ppl eager to have a young woman star or w/e during peak poptimism) so i have something of a bias here...the amt of hype leading into her soph project was ridic considering how quickly it faded afterward

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Sunday, 10 March 2019 11:02 (four months ago) link

but to me billie eilish whatever her other faults sells u on her as a kind of auteur in a way i never got from lorde personally

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Sunday, 10 March 2019 11:02 (four months ago) link

I've tried listening a few times and I wish she should speak up a little more.

☮ (peace, man), Sunday, 10 March 2019 12:53 (four months ago) link

I'm getting to the point where I can't really even listen to anyone who seems like a rich kid

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 10 March 2019 15:41 (four months ago) link

her music is dreck and the claim that she's better than lorde is simply outrageous

calumy (rip van wanko), Sunday, 10 March 2019 15:50 (four months ago) link

which artist's hit tune contains the line "i'm kind of over getting told to throw my hands up in the air, so there"

dyl, Sunday, 10 March 2019 19:21 (four months ago) link

Yea the 'so there'part almost seems like it was written by a self mocking teenager - I think her lyrics have come on a fair bit since then

Hinklepicker, Sunday, 10 March 2019 20:22 (four months ago) link

fwiw I think most of the songs in this thread are better than "the louvre" or "writer in the dark"

theorizing your yells (katherine), Sunday, 10 March 2019 20:52 (four months ago) link

two weeks pass...

So this is like soundcloud rap but pop/r&b? Everything madd my teenagers now seems to have this overriding note of bleakness that’s different than merely “sad” or “angsty”. (Not a critique—an observation).

this is the first wave of new music that’s made me feel old and out of the loop.

Trϵϵship, Friday, 29 March 2019 08:12 (three months ago) link

I think musically lana del rey is a better reference point than lorde, btw, but this is coming from a slightly different emotional place. (love lana)

Trϵϵship, Friday, 29 March 2019 08:18 (three months ago) link

it is that overriding note of bleakness that makes one feel out of the loop. i got it with brockhampton too. it is the music of *prepares self for trenchant overload* people raised by smart technology rather than humans, and therein lies the bleakness

PPL+AI=NS (imago), Friday, 29 March 2019 08:30 (three months ago) link

I don’t want to go too far in saying why this kind of music is resonating with people born after 1995 but it certainly is. i’m wondering what exactly the musical qualities are that i’m picking up on

Trϵϵship, Friday, 29 March 2019 08:41 (three months ago) link

I learned about Billie Ellish from the 9-year-old.

He probably found her not from TV or a movie, but through a combination of TikTok, YouTube and Roblox.

Meanwhile, my Discover Weekly playlist on Spotify thinks I need more Canned Heat in my life.

pplains, Friday, 29 March 2019 08:45 (three months ago) link

My discover weekly wants to firmly keep me mentally in 2007. All the comfort food indie of my college years plus a bit of tasteful postpunk for when I feel retro. Maybe spotify is trying to protect me from something.

Trϵϵship, Friday, 29 March 2019 08:48 (three months ago) link

The idea of a 9 year old liking a song like “when the party’s over” is baffling to me.

Trϵϵship, Friday, 29 March 2019 08:55 (three months ago) link

The irony is that the first I had ever really heard of Ariana Grande was when Problem came out, but I feel that song actually helped make Iggy Azalea a big star first!

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 July 2019 17:14 (one week ago) link

My wife went and saw Billie Eilish and said it was like nothing she’d ever seen before. I mean the mania with the fans was apparently just unreal. She sold out three consecutive nights at three different venues in L.A. If anything she’s probably bigger than we realize.

omar little, Friday, 12 July 2019 17:19 (one week ago) link

Have her fans given themselves a whimsical nickname yet, like beliebers or little monsters?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 July 2019 17:24 (one week ago) link

I feel like the popularity of ASMR videos may have anticipated the success of her whispery muttering.

stan by me (morrisp), Friday, 12 July 2019 17:25 (one week ago) link

No, clearly it was all set in motion by "Wait (The Whisper Song)" by the Ying Yang Twins.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 July 2019 17:35 (one week ago) link

billie eilish is bigger than ariana grande was at this point in her career and i’d guess will be bigger overall when all’s said and done. she’s already bigger than ldr imo

flopson, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:05 (one week ago) link

Is Billie Eilish the first massive pop star who feels like she belongs to the next decade rather than this one?

this is how i feel yeah... she prob hasn't even heard the xx

J0rdan S., Friday, 12 July 2019 18:13 (one week ago) link

she's gonna be big for a while... ppl really connect w the persona and her music still feels like it's in its molecular stages to me

J0rdan S., Friday, 12 July 2019 18:15 (one week ago) link

It’s no contest between Billie Eilish and LDR right now.

I think BE just is arriving at the right time and tbh there are so many kids out there who are over so much of what they *perceive* as the usual gorgeous rich pop star bullshit and Eilish feels more real and her extreme I can’t even-ness is something they’re really into. This is just based on now several separate conversations but the young kids (8-11 yr old range) I’ve heard discuss her feel like she’s one of them and is more understanding of them.

omar little, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:16 (one week ago) link

i saw her in boston and the merch lines were long, the mr. yuk-green sweatshirts were everywhere, and the moms were singing along too

maura, Friday, 12 July 2019 19:24 (one week ago) link

there are so many kids out there who are over so much of what they *perceive* as the usual gorgeous rich pop star bullshit

kids OTM

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 12 July 2019 20:10 (one week ago) link

if been waiting for the backlash to the luxury brand name dropping IG infuncer bullshit forever but it just keeps going.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 12 July 2019 20:14 (one week ago) link

I think Billie Eilish is a result of the low key backlash, I mean there are millions of kids out there who looked at all these megastars and didn’t see anyone who represented an empathetic figure who looked and acted like them. BE is like an extreme representation of what a lot of kids are feeling and at least one kid said exactly that to me kind of directly.

omar little, Friday, 12 July 2019 20:20 (one week ago) link

Vape Store (crüt) at 11:44 12 Jul 19

(For the record Gaga felt like the equivalent pop star from 2009 and that played out, sonically as well as individually).

I mean... maybe for a few years? Gaga hasn’t felt relevant since the early ‘10s

was never big on Gaga but I felt like A Star is Born was a pretty huge deal and brought her back into the pop culture convo

it was a good movie really exceeded my expectations

I wonder if LDR's album was delayed at all by the record company due to Eilish's continually rising star? she says it'll be out in September now but it was supposed to be out at the beginning of the year. The one time I saw LDR btw (before the last album) she played the Shoreline in the bay area, it was sold out, and the crowd was insane; I was completely not expecting that.

akm, Friday, 12 July 2019 21:46 (one week ago) link

Shallows is a banger

flopson, Friday, 12 July 2019 22:22 (one week ago) link

she prob hasn't even heard the xx

This is really interesting, I never would have made this connection... I hear the musical similarities, but I feel like they occupy entirely separate aesthetic universes somehow.

stan by me (morrisp), Friday, 12 July 2019 22:34 (one week ago) link

LDR's kind of weird because a lot of of her continuing fame comes from her huge social media presence. Also massive on youtube.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 12 July 2019 22:37 (one week ago) link

there are so many kids out there who are over so much of what they *perceive* as the usual gorgeous rich pop star bullshit and Eilish feels more real and her extreme I can’t even-ness is something they’re really into.

def true for my 12yo stepkid, a diehard BE fan. These are kids whose parents started instagram accounts for them even before they could hold a phone, and have grown up realising that they can't look like Ariana or Taylor no matter how much they tried.

Eilish, eye-rolling at everyone in her sneakers and baggy outfits, feels more real to them, like a cool girl at school they could actually hang out with.

related: this girl Joana Ceddia is the biggest Youtuber/IG-er among kids right now, and the most striking thing about her is how much she *doesn't* look like an IG influencer - charmingly goofy/intentionally "ugly" selfies shot in her badly lit bedroom with no filter.

Roz, Saturday, 13 July 2019 09:32 (one week ago) link

I can see her possibly running into a followup problem. Either she goes for a more streamlined pop approach, losing a lot of the support from critics and the indie audience or she goes even more leftfield, losing her mainstream following by msking her "The Dreaming" or "Neither Fish or Flesh".

Being this experimental at such a young age, I can see her following the second path and becoming a David Sylvian/Talk Talk style mainstream-gone-cult act.

The GeirBot (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 13 July 2019 09:48 (one week ago) link

I checked out a few of her videos... they’re well done and I agree more compelling than just listening to the tracks alone; and I get the anti-fashion thing & see why kids like her.

It’s still not something I could personally get into, and feels so specifically sub-Lorde to me, but yeah.

stan by me (morrisp), Saturday, 13 July 2019 21:09 (one week ago) link

The videos are what first got me into her. "Hostage" is one of her best, I think. The astonishing Radio One Big Weekend set sealed it; her Glastonbury set didn't quite get there, but friends who were there tell me her vocals were buried in the mix, so that must have lessened the impact.

mike t-diva, Saturday, 13 July 2019 21:19 (one week ago) link

To quote treesh from upthread, there's a (mild) bleakness to billie eilish's aesthetic that I don't hear in Lorde at all so the former has my preference by default. I haven't seen any of her videos.

pomenitul, Saturday, 13 July 2019 21:27 (one week ago) link

“Hostage” is a good video, I like the song too

stan by me (morrisp), Saturday, 13 July 2019 21:28 (one week ago) link

The Glastonbury crowd was a broad range of ages but there was definitely a large group of (mostly) young girls and some actual children who knew every single word and sang them all back to her very loudly. You could just tell that there was a real and intense connection and that something was happening.

Matt DC, Sunday, 14 July 2019 14:15 (one week ago) link

The Bieber verse/chorus on the "Bad Guy" remix has such flat and familiar flexes compared to everything that makes this song work.

... (Eazy), Sunday, 14 July 2019 23:49 (one week ago) link

Yeah, the remix is awful.


triggercut, Monday, 15 July 2019 04:45 (one week ago) link

this album is really good!

k3vin k., Monday, 15 July 2019 10:15 (one week ago) link

it’s funny reading this thread and seeing all the surprise that something this popular could be this good and weird, because listening to her record yesterday — and this was afaik my first exposure to her — my first thought was “the teens are into this? it seems that every young woman I know is into her

geir otm

k3vin k., Monday, 15 July 2019 11:24 (one week ago) link

I might have drinked a couple ot glasses of wine tonight, but speaking as a very cynical person: this video of her reacting to her fans covering her songs and then her fans reacting to her reactions makes me love everyone involved. Great idea by glamour, her fans react very honestly and she seems overall very charming and cool. Kind of weird this is a really long video (almost 20 mins!?) when the real audience that is directed to would lose interest way before it ends. Hell, I lost interest and was loving the idea but 20 minutes is just too much... love the concept, but I would either trim it down or divide it into two or three parts.

I kind of hate that fucking youtube keeps pushing Billie Eilish content on my feed daily just because it knows I mostly tune in for music-related content. She’s making her familiar and likeable to me even though I still feel very lukewarm about her music.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 05:33 (five days ago) link

Sorry if my post is hard to read. English is not my first language and my opinions are not very interesting.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 05:34 (five days ago) link

your English is better than a lot of native English speakers and I, for one, always enjoy your posts, Moka.

the "reacting to Billie listening to my cover" video got me, too. very cute all around.

alpine static, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 05:54 (five days ago) link


✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 06:42 (five days ago) link

finally gave this album a couple listens and i like it! she's definitely a direct descendant of lana del rey in terms of music and persona (as expressed thru the music--i'm unfamiliar with the social media/celeb news side channels) but manages to make it her own.

diamonddave85​​ (diamonddave85), Monday, 22 July 2019 17:36 (five hours ago) link

I hear absolutely no connection to Lana Del Rey here

brigadier pudding (DJP), Monday, 22 July 2019 20:32 (three hours ago) link

Me neither, I don't really get where that's coming from...

the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Monday, 22 July 2019 20:34 (three hours ago) link

idgi either.

pomenitul, Monday, 22 July 2019 20:35 (three hours ago) link

Be it only in terms of perceived (in)authenticity, they're treading very different grounds imho.

pomenitul, Monday, 22 July 2019 20:36 (two hours ago) link

they're more like each other than, say, ariana grande or any of a half-dozen other woman-led vocalist acts

that is, discounting the new charlie's angels song tie-in (?)

untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 22 July 2019 20:55 (two hours ago) link

Haven't heard it myself yet, but I overheard my daughter and her friends dissing the new collab with Justin Bieber? They didn't blame her, just him, whose voice was apparently "wrong" for the song.

Me, I think Billie Eilish fits comfortably in the mode of singers that sound like they just woke up, which is not a bad sound.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 22 July 2019 21:00 (two hours ago) link

not a baaaaaad sound


TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 July 2019 21:15 (two hours ago) link

Daughter and her friends OTM

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 22 July 2019 21:23 (two hours ago) link

They sound nothing alike obvs but I get Lady Sovereign flashbacks when I see Eilish.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 22 July 2019 21:23 (two hours ago) link

This feels very Lana-ish as far as showing power and agency through performative choices:

I like it when you take control
Even if you know that you don't
Own me, I'll let you play the role
I'll be your animal

... (Eazy), Monday, 22 July 2019 21:26 (two hours ago) link

You guys and your "lyrics," I swear! ;D

(It also sounds like Ke$ha, does she remind you of her as an artist?)

the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Monday, 22 July 2019 21:32 (two hours ago) link

to clarify, it's mostly in her vocal delivery and ~vibe~ that i hear LDR but it might be that i'm just ignorant of some common ancestor of the two. also, i'm a LDR fanatic so the comparison is meant as a compliment! i'll do some more listening and come up with some concrete examples in the next few days

diamonddave85​​ (diamonddave85), Monday, 22 July 2019 21:37 (one hour ago) link

Her vibe is more Fiona Apple than LDR to me

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 22 July 2019 22:04 (one hour ago) link

For me, Lorde is such a hugely obvious musical antecedent, I have a hard time calling anyone else to mind.

Just listen to "Watch" (from Eilish's 2017 EP) -- if you had told me this was a Lorde track, I would have absolutely believed it (it's a great track, btw):

the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Monday, 22 July 2019 22:14 (one hour ago) link

I've found that like BE's earlier stuff a whole lot more than the new album.

the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Monday, 22 July 2019 22:16 (one hour ago) link

(It also sounds like Ke$ha, does she remind you of her as an artist?)

If you can find some topping-from-below lyrics from Ke$ha, go for it...

... (Eazy), Monday, 22 July 2019 22:56 (thirty-eight minutes ago) link

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