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the other day in Chicago I overheard some Actual Teens talking about Billie Eilish, and it's fairly uncommon for someone in the general alt-pop space to both be actually popular with actual young people who are not extremely online, and to make interesting music

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 27 July 2018 17:34 (two years ago) link

Saw her earlier this year at the Paradise in Boston and crowd was 95% under 18, super triple thrilled to be there and knew EVERY SINGLE WORD.

She has lots of really good tunes. "Idontwannabeyouanymore" is a classic.

Really liking the new single after what were a couple of misses for me. I like that she re-did that track w Vince Staples, but, thought it was trash compared to the album version.
Here's to hoping her love of hip-hop continues to get integrated better and better over time.

mr.raffles, Friday, 27 July 2018 18:00 (two years ago) link

second of those much more promising than first

imago, Friday, 27 July 2018 18:15 (two years ago) link

Thank you for starting this thread, katherine. I'm on board.

Jeff W, Friday, 27 July 2018 18:46 (two years ago) link

yeah, the second is my favorite thus far -- not so much in sound but in misanthropy it reminds me a lot of early laura marling

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 27 July 2018 22:12 (two years ago) link

I think this one is the song I like best from her discog to date

Jeff W, Monday, 30 July 2018 14:57 (two years ago) link

I love the attitude and conviction in these and that bass rumble in "you should see me in a crown" is >>>

boxedjoy, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 16:37 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

My 11-year-old stepkid is obsessed with her - not bad! A lot better than most of the other pop stuff she listens to, and I'm not even sure where she first heard Billie Eilish since it doesn't seem like she gets much radio play? Is she on a kids'/teen show soundtrack somewhere?

Roz, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 10:27 (two years ago) link

"Lovely" with Khalid was on the 13 Reasons Why soundtrack

Iain Mew (if), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 13:09 (two years ago) link

Hmm I haven't let her watch that show cause I don't think she's ready to handle the subject matter. She does listen to Khalid quite a bit though, so maybe just came across during a YouTube binge.

"you should see me in a crown" is v v good.

Roz, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 15:25 (two years ago) link

New song

Jeff W, Thursday, 18 October 2018 19:23 (two years ago) link

i like that one. its video is grippingly dramatic

dyl, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 04:51 (two years ago) link

I noticed “when the party’s over” is in the top 20 of global spotify streams. What’s the story behind this? A movie/ad license? Was she famous prior to this single?

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 09:16 (two years ago) link

Check her play counts on Spotify. She's been quietly big for awhile.
She was already on her way at the time, but the track w Khalid really pushed her over.

mr.raffles, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 12:44 (two years ago) link

she seems to be similar to halsey in that she's been able to build up a very large teenage following prior to scoring any proper radio hits

dyl, Thursday, 1 November 2018 01:48 (two years ago) link

I've tried to ignore her for some time because of her idolisation of and connection to XXXtentacion, but I'm pretty taken with this latest single. There's a lot of The Love Club EP about it.

monotony, Thursday, 1 November 2018 02:05 (two years ago) link

I've tried to ignore her for some time because of her idolisation of and connection to XXXtentacion

this is a thing with young artists I've just given up on because it increasingly seems like one would have to write off the entirety of current pop artists (and that's just based on what's known and out there, god knows how many collaborations were planned/scrapped)

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 1 November 2018 21:19 (two years ago) link

oh i didn't know that re: x

guess i'm not surprised tho

dyl, Saturday, 3 November 2018 02:12 (two years ago) link

three weeks pass...

New single is great:

She keeps finding new wrinkles on what Billie EIlish songs are with all these singles. Great fun having her making so much music.

64th in the world on Spotify?
That's like Future (#60) level of fame. If "Fine China" or "Realer N Realer" don't take off, he's dust.

mr.raffles, Saturday, 24 November 2018 05:14 (two years ago) link

1 more popular than Juice WRLD (#65).

mr.raffles, Saturday, 24 November 2018 05:18 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

(Kids redacted)

— Stephen malkmus (@dronecoma) December 11, 2018

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 01:54 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

debut album scheduled for release march 29th. i semi-consistently enjoy her new releases so i guess i'm anticipating it!

dyl, Thursday, 31 January 2019 05:59 (two years ago) link

is it wild to say that this one almost reminds me of róisín circa ruby blue

monotony, Thursday, 31 January 2019 06:45 (two years ago) link

ICYMI, this was pretty interesting

that's not my post, Thursday, 31 January 2019 06:53 (two years ago) link

is it wild to say that this one almost reminds me of róisín circa ruby blue

― monotony, Thursday, January 31, 2019 1:45 AM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not at all, it's very "night of the dancing flame"

theorizing your yells (katherine), Sunday, 3 February 2019 23:46 (two years ago) link

Good call.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 4 February 2019 03:52 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

this songs pretty good and I like the production but the current trend of suicide ideation as a sign of artistic credibility annoys the fuck out of me

. (Michael B), Sunday, 24 February 2019 11:32 (two years ago) link

Michael, I notice that too. Inwards aggression.

nathom, Sunday, 24 February 2019 15:51 (two years ago) link

billie could u not

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 03:10 (two years ago) link

whatever u say abt her she's much better than lorde

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Saturday, 9 March 2019 20:01 (two years ago) link

Based on those lyrics that seems... implausible

Simon H., Saturday, 9 March 2019 20:02 (two years ago) link

i haven't spent much time with lorde's music really but that seems like a perfectly defensible position to me

dyl, Sunday, 10 March 2019 01:40 (two years ago) link

I like Billie Eilish but wow that seems totally wrong to me.

Call me when she's released something as good as "The Louvre" or "Writer in the Dark".

Roz, Sunday, 10 March 2019 02:46 (two years ago) link

no one in history has ever described what they like about "the louvre" without mentioning its sole memorable line

dyl, Sunday, 10 March 2019 05:40 (two years ago) link

it's good tho so i feel bad for dissing it

dyl, Sunday, 10 March 2019 05:40 (two years ago) link

i always thought lorde was insanely overrated (esp by press ppl eager to have a young woman star or w/e during peak poptimism) so i have something of a bias here...the amt of hype leading into her soph project was ridic considering how quickly it faded afterward

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Sunday, 10 March 2019 11:02 (two years ago) link

but to me billie eilish whatever her other faults sells u on her as a kind of auteur in a way i never got from lorde personally

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Sunday, 10 March 2019 11:02 (two years ago) link

I've tried listening a few times and I wish she should speak up a little more.

☮ (peace, man), Sunday, 10 March 2019 12:53 (two years ago) link

I'm getting to the point where I can't really even listen to anyone who seems like a rich kid

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 10 March 2019 15:41 (two years ago) link

her music is dreck and the claim that she's better than lorde is simply outrageous

calumy (rip van wanko), Sunday, 10 March 2019 15:50 (two years ago) link

which artist's hit tune contains the line "i'm kind of over getting told to throw my hands up in the air, so there"

dyl, Sunday, 10 March 2019 19:21 (two years ago) link

Yea the 'so there'part almost seems like it was written by a self mocking teenager - I think her lyrics have come on a fair bit since then

Hinklepicker, Sunday, 10 March 2019 20:22 (two years ago) link

fwiw I think most of the songs in this thread are better than "the louvre" or "writer in the dark"

theorizing your yells (katherine), Sunday, 10 March 2019 20:52 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

So this is like soundcloud rap but pop/r&b? Everything madd my teenagers now seems to have this overriding note of bleakness that’s different than merely “sad” or “angsty”. (Not a critique—an observation).

this is the first wave of new music that’s made me feel old and out of the loop.

Trϵϵship, Friday, 29 March 2019 08:12 (two years ago) link

I think musically lana del rey is a better reference point than lorde, btw, but this is coming from a slightly different emotional place. (love lana)

Trϵϵship, Friday, 29 March 2019 08:18 (two years ago) link

it is that overriding note of bleakness that makes one feel out of the loop. i got it with brockhampton too. it is the music of *prepares self for trenchant overload* people raised by smart technology rather than humans, and therein lies the bleakness

PPL+AI=NS (imago), Friday, 29 March 2019 08:30 (two years ago) link

I don’t want to go too far in saying why this kind of music is resonating with people born after 1995 but it certainly is. i’m wondering what exactly the musical qualities are that i’m picking up on

Trϵϵship, Friday, 29 March 2019 08:41 (two years ago) link

I learned about Billie Ellish from the 9-year-old.

He probably found her not from TV or a movie, but through a combination of TikTok, YouTube and Roblox.

Meanwhile, my Discover Weekly playlist on Spotify thinks I need more Canned Heat in my life.

pplains, Friday, 29 March 2019 08:45 (two years ago) link

My discover weekly wants to firmly keep me mentally in 2007. All the comfort food indie of my college years plus a bit of tasteful postpunk for when I feel retro. Maybe spotify is trying to protect me from something.

Trϵϵship, Friday, 29 March 2019 08:48 (two years ago) link

The idea of a 9 year old liking a song like “when the party’s over” is baffling to me.

Trϵϵship, Friday, 29 March 2019 08:55 (two years ago) link

It does sound tailored for movie/tv though

✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 22 January 2021 06:13 (three months ago) link

I think this is great

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Friday, 22 January 2021 15:47 (three months ago) link

fantastic song

get down, get down, get down / why piano wenza so? (breastcrawl), Saturday, 23 January 2021 15:02 (three months ago) link

as a matter of fact it’s incredible

Long Tall Arsetee & the Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 22:26 (three months ago) link

it's not what i expected but i still find it ehhhhhh

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 22:33 (three months ago) link

I don't "hear" it; it's pleasant but barely there for me.

You have treated my messenger with contempt. (morrisp), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 22:39 (three months ago) link

there's something about how it ends that i feel like could have been improved but i haven't any idea how

dyl, Wednesday, 27 January 2021 22:41 (three months ago) link

it kind of just stops playing, right?

You have treated my messenger with contempt. (morrisp), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 22:41 (three months ago) link

there’s no resolution no, but it makes that last line land extra hard

Long Tall Arsetee & the Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 22:59 (three months ago) link

three months pass...

kinda surprised no one's talking about her new single because it's really good

ufo, Friday, 30 April 2021 16:20 (one week ago) link

It is good. Are the lyrics about someone/something specific?

smoking grass, poor caddying. (morrisp), Friday, 30 April 2021 16:41 (one week ago) link

Taylor Swift?

Long Tall Arsetee & the Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Friday, 30 April 2021 16:49 (one week ago) link

“This is one of my favorite songs I’ve ever written,” Eilish wrote on Instagram. “I feel very vulnerable putting this one out because I hold it so close to my heart. This is about many different situations that we’ve all either witnessed or experienced. I hope this can inspire change.”

smoking grass, poor caddying. (morrisp), Friday, 30 April 2021 17:11 (one week ago) link

Last night I taught myself a few Billie Eilish songs on piano; they were surprisingly fun to play. Good chords.

jaymc, Friday, 30 April 2021 17:17 (one week ago) link

I was just about to bump this thread for this song, which is great

80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Friday, 30 April 2021 20:26 (one week ago) link

Very Feist-y to these old ears--I like the subtle sub wubs btw 1:18-1:45/2:32-3:00 (at which point there's a decent visual pun w/r/t to her singing "If they kill your contract" while the boa's finally in full constriction position)

Kangol In The Light (Craig D.), Friday, 30 April 2021 20:45 (one week ago) link

(Also, main verse melody's somewhat similar to "Re: Stacks" by Bon Iver, innit?)

Kangol In The Light (Craig D.), Friday, 30 April 2021 20:50 (one week ago) link

It is good. Are the lyrics about someone/something specific?

fans think it's mostly about her ex-bf 7:AMP

ufo, Friday, 30 April 2021 21:47 (one week ago) link

Oh, he was her bf (whom she calls "Q") in the World's a Little Blurry doc.

jaymc, Friday, 30 April 2021 22:10 (one week ago) link

I love the video and I love the guitar tone but this is a little underwhelming overall to me, it feels a lot more conventional than I would expect from her.

boxedjoy, Saturday, 1 May 2021 10:26 (one week ago) link

there's enough with the subtle bass synth etc. going on to make it a little more interesting than being just a straight acoustic ballad

ufo, Saturday, 1 May 2021 11:17 (one week ago) link


Cocteau Twinks (jed_), Sunday, 2 May 2021 00:00 (one week ago) link

not sold on this yet, a ballad is not what i was expecting or wanted from her right now

Bee OK, Sunday, 2 May 2021 00:21 (one week ago) link

Then wait for the album, it will probably be great in context.

1. "Getting Older" 4:04
2. "I Didn't Change My Number" 2:38
3. "Billie Bossa Nova" 3:16
4. "My Future" 3:30
5. "Oxytocin" 3:30
6. "Goldwing" 2:31
7. "Lost Cause" 3:32
8. "Halley's Comet" 3:54
9. "Not My Responsibility" 3:47
10. "Overheated" 3:34
11. "Everybody Dies" 3:26
12. "Your Power" 4:05
13. "NDA" 3:15
14. "Therefore I Am" 2:53
15. "Happier Than Ever" 4:58
16. "Male Fantasy" 3:14

smoking grass, poor caddying. (morrisp), Sunday, 2 May 2021 00:51 (one week ago) link

it’s a really awesome song and it’s not like her releasing ballads as singles is unprecedented

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 2 May 2021 02:17 (one week ago) link

It has some really cool things going on in the production that makes it stand out from the usual ballad: the synth bass, how busy the first chorus sounds when compared with how stripped it is the second time, the synths in the second verse. loving how every backing part is never the same twice and how tasteful it all sounds. Is Finneas the one behind the whole production?

✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 2 May 2021 04:59 (one week ago) link

I love this song, flippant remark above notwithstanding. as in many of her ballads I find her voice/vocal mesmerising.

Long Tall Arsetee & the Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Sunday, 2 May 2021 18:50 (one week ago) link

Who came up with this idea of releasing one of the slow ones at the end of the album first, instead of the front-end bangers? Wolf Alice just did the same putting out track 9, a slow piano ballad. Lana did the same in advance of Norman Fuckin Rockwell.

piscesx, Sunday, 2 May 2021 23:31 (one week ago) link

it's actually the third single so far

a little disappointed that "everything i wanted" isn't on the album like the other post-when we all fall asleep singles though

ufo, Sunday, 2 May 2021 23:39 (one week ago) link

“Everything I wanted” was included in the reissue/deluxe version of her previous album

✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 3 May 2021 00:11 (six days ago) link

I too would have preferred if they have saved it for this new one instead but I guess they needed a plus factor for the reissue/deluxe.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 3 May 2021 00:14 (six days ago) link

I also feel like it naturally belongs to that previous “era” for her. (morrisp), Monday, 3 May 2021 00:26 (six days ago) link

she’s really changin up her look:

“It's all about what makes you feel good”
Billie is on the cover of @BritishVogue. Read the cover story now:

— billie eilish (@billieeilish) May 2, 2021 (morrisp), Monday, 3 May 2021 00:38 (six days ago) link

i hope she doesn't completely stop dressing like a jojo character

ufo, Monday, 3 May 2021 00:41 (six days ago) link

I think gen z is less hung up on consistency. Embracing a totally different aesthetic from one day to the next is more common and accepted than it would be in the grunge era or something—there’s less meaning attached to it, less concern about seeming inauthentic or “selling out” idk. True postmoderns this gen

treeship., Monday, 3 May 2021 01:35 (six days ago) link

changing up looks for album cycles is hardly new to gen z though lol especially in the pop world

ufo, Monday, 3 May 2021 01:56 (six days ago) link

but also bowie etc. obviously

ufo, Monday, 3 May 2021 01:56 (six days ago) link

Yeah – she’s obv not Madonna, but she’s still a pop star… just a kind that didn’t exist (in the US, anyway) until fairly recently.

I don’t know how you’d even (roughly) describe her in terms of artists from decades past… Alanis meets Björk, but a superstar? (morrisp), Monday, 3 May 2021 04:05 (six days ago) link

(not that there’s a particular reason to try describing any current artist in such terms – but I find it interesting to imagine if artists today had existed when I was high school or college, which kids would be into them, etc. Like I assume there aren’t still “pop kids” and “alternative kids,” and those milieus have broken down?) (morrisp), Monday, 3 May 2021 04:08 (six days ago) link

Doesn't seem that weird that someone would dress differently on the cover of Vogue from the way they dress in ordinary life or even on stage.

Lily Dale, Monday, 3 May 2021 04:16 (six days ago) link

I love the cover look so much, she looks incredible

given how selfconscious she is, its v exciting that she has taken such a big step

i hope that the feedback is positive bc i would hate for something like this to backfire somehow & make her feel ashamed/horrified/etc

idk i get weirdly parental about her! we must protect her at all costs bc she rules

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 3 May 2021 04:41 (six days ago) link

According to the LA Times article in which I read about the Vogue cover (that’s how dad-hip I am):

In March, her Instagram reveal of her new hair color reached a million likes in just six minutes and became the third-most-liked post on the platform within 48 hours.

—so she clearly has fan support for her changing looks (as one hopes/assumes she would). (morrisp), Monday, 3 May 2021 05:07 (six days ago) link

thx for explaining how a fanbase works lol i meant like, ppl in general

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 3 May 2021 05:19 (six days ago) link

sorry - I was just trying to add to your comment(?) I wasn’t trying to explain anything, just enjoying the conversation… (morrisp), Monday, 3 May 2021 05:25 (six days ago) link

Gotta say, up til now I always respected how she dressed for utility and aesthetic without feeling the need for "hotness". Seemed like a very grounded and healthy attitude and a super positive influence for her fans, I know both my daughters really admired it. Going mainstream followed by a pivot to movie-star blonde and revealing clothing seems like a large step backward in those terms. She was always beautiful of course, and yet it seemed like it didn't matter, but now it does which I find disappointing.
I know as a middle aged cishet dude my opinion is pretty much irrelevant on this matter, and I know that dressing that way can be a form of empowerment depending on the intention. But the lowkey playfulness of her previous image was really appealing and strong to me.

assert (MatthewK), Monday, 3 May 2021 05:28 (six days ago) link

xpost sorry idk why i said that, yr good

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 3 May 2021 05:54 (six days ago) link

there is power in her image thus far for sure & it made a lot of ppl struggling w body image feel like they were/are understood

but that struggle isnt always a circle - it can be a line

showing her figure isnt to say she isnt still struggling. it says that grappling with body image doesnt always have to look like one thing. achieving a vision of her self that is within reach. and there is power in owning the gaze in this moment that could be game changing for her. it could be terrifying. it could be both.

its exciting to see her try. that’s what we should support. for her or anyone.

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 3 May 2021 06:04 (six days ago) link

I keep forgetting she’s only 19. She looks older than some of my cousins in their late 20s.

I guess this photoshoot is consistent with the teaser for “happier than ever”. That same sort of golden vintage look.

I don’t think it’s that “hot” of a photoshoot? I mean yeah sure she’s in underwear but something about the poses and the vintage feel doesn’t really scream “omg sexy” to me... i don’t think they were even going for a “hot” vibe but I might be too old or too latin to tell the difference.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 3 May 2021 06:43 (six days ago) link

well said VG, that's an enlightening counterpoint thank you

assert (MatthewK), Monday, 3 May 2021 07:10 (six days ago) link

Actually I see she addresses every point talked about in here in the actual article.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 3 May 2021 13:57 (six days ago) link

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