Tears For Fears - POLLing The Seeds of Love (1989)

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Looking through and there's somehow no thread for the third Tears For Fears album, which isn't quite at the level of the first two but is still a towering moment in 80s pop! Which song is best??

Poll Results

OptionVotes
4. Advice For the Young at Heart 10
3. Sowing The Seeds of Love 5
7. Year of the Knife 4
1. Woman In Chains 3
2. Badman's Song 3
8. Famous Last Words 2
6. Swords and Knives 1
5. Standing On the Corner of the Third World 0


paul mccartney & whinge (voodoo chili), Monday, 18 June 2018 21:08 (two years ago) link

immediate reaction is either sowing the seeds or love or advice

advice

sunburst N snowblind (Ross), Monday, 18 June 2018 21:09 (two years ago) link

leaning towards either Woman in Chains (hooooly shit Orzabal's vocal) or Year of the Knife, which is the band's most ferocious rocker, like Boys of Summer but 250% more grandiouse

paul mccartney & whinge (voodoo chili), Monday, 18 June 2018 21:10 (two years ago) link

sidenote, this n elemental were my first cds as a teen, formative years

sunburst N snowblind (Ross), Monday, 18 June 2018 21:11 (two years ago) link

Woman in Chains (hooooly shit Orzabal's vocal)

And Phil Collins drums!

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 18 June 2018 21:20 (two years ago) link

Too many of the long songs ("Badman's Song," "Year of the Knife") are long to no purpose, but the pop songs are beautiful. "Advice For the Young at Heart" is my vote: it's a sophisti-pop song.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 June 2018 21:20 (two years ago) link

I recommend Oleta Adams' Orzabal-produced debut Circle of One too.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 June 2018 21:20 (two years ago) link

sophisti-pop is a good word to describe TFF's whole thing

paul mccartney & whinge (voodoo chili), Monday, 18 June 2018 21:24 (two years ago) link

actually, it's hard to pin them down: a miserabilist synth pop duo? An arena rock band? Lite jazz? That's why critical re-appraisal took a while.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 June 2018 21:26 (two years ago) link

yeah i get that. they were always mainstream-minded, even when they were experimenting, with an exceptionally broad sonic palette.

paul mccartney & whinge (voodoo chili), Monday, 18 June 2018 21:29 (two years ago) link

"year of the knife" imo

flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Monday, 18 June 2018 21:32 (two years ago) link

Too many of the long songs ("Badman's Song," "Year of the Knife") are long to no purpose

awful opinion

flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Monday, 18 June 2018 21:32 (two years ago) link

leaning towards either Woman in Chains (hooooly shit Orzabal's vocal) or Year of the Knife, which is the band's most ferocious rocker, like Boys of Summer but 250% more grandiouse

― paul mccartney & whinge (voodoo chili), Monday, June 18, 2018 2:10 PM (twenty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

voodoo chili knows what's up

flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Monday, 18 June 2018 21:33 (two years ago) link

hi Brad

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 June 2018 21:34 (two years ago) link

woman in chains or badman's

diamonddave85​​ (diamonddave85), Monday, 18 June 2018 21:36 (two years ago) link

hi Brad

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, June 18, 2018 2:34 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

in my head, there is a mirror
when i've been bad, i've been wrong

flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Monday, 18 June 2018 21:39 (two years ago) link

thought you were gonna quote MEN OF STONE

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 June 2018 21:41 (two years ago) link

Fresh out of being indoctrinated in hardcore feminism at Mt. Holyoke College, I adored "Woman In Chains" at the time, so that one.

It felt like Oleta suffered from being turned into Sade/Whitney/etc at the time.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 19 June 2018 01:36 (two years ago) link

what's wrong w/being Sade?

Orzabal preserved her empathetic cocktail-bar-singer-at-the-piano essence.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 01:38 (two years ago) link

I get the melody of "Advice" stuck in my head with a frequency disproportionate to the amount I actually listen to this album.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 19 June 2018 01:39 (two years ago) link

i love this album, it's their best imo. voting for the transcendent Woman in Chains

ufo, Tuesday, 19 June 2018 02:48 (two years ago) link

what's wrong w/being Sade?

Probably nothing, but in the 80s she was so overplayed that I grew to dislike her.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 19 June 2018 03:03 (two years ago) link

Now at 50, i’m amazed at how different my tff hierarchy might have been if i were 25 when the hurting came out.

Im not sure that makes any sense, but im voting for woman in chains here and now.

Hunt3r, Tuesday, 19 June 2018 03:19 (two years ago) link

i just heard songs from the big chair for the first time, lol - man christ.

sunburst N snowblind (Ross), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 06:14 (two years ago) link

'Advice For The Young At Heart' ... This album took a little longer to get its claws in me than the two albums prior, but is now without doubt my favourite Tears For Fears album. There's nothing at all wrong with the longer songs. I really love every song on this album now.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 07:05 (two years ago) link

Advice is the only song that has stuck in my mind since first listen and until now. Other than the one that DJ shadow sampled from
A sample

sunburst N snowblind (Ross), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 07:49 (two years ago) link

'Famous Last Words' is one of the best songs Orzabal has ever written, too - that one never fails to move me every time.

The sun and the moon, the wind and the rain.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 08:08 (two years ago) link

^ OTM!

Just refreshing my memory of the whole thing after decades. It's not bad is it! Though I never knowingly heard another note of TFF after this, despite liking all of the first three LPs as a child. The Beatles-isms of the title track has consistently made me cringe from the outset and the blues-isms of "Badman" are still not entirely convincing, so...

Has to be one of "Chains", "Advice" or "Famous Last Words".

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 19 June 2018 09:34 (two years ago) link

had a real moment with the guitar solo in "swords and knives" last night

flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 11:17 (two years ago) link

badmansattva, will you take me by the hand?

paul mccartney & whinge (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 11:58 (two years ago) link

What do we think of "Tears Roll Down," now added to the reissue?

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 12:10 (two years ago) link

was having a moment with the swords and knives guitar solo right as i clicked on this thread now

ufo, Tuesday, 19 June 2018 12:18 (two years ago) link

Orzabal plays it, I assume.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 12:36 (two years ago) link

'Advice.. '.

piscesx, Tuesday, 19 June 2018 12:49 (two years ago) link

xpost to alfred, tears roll down is very good

ya done (Ross), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 14:44 (two years ago) link

going with the exhilarating year of the knife. im listening now and im exhilarated.

paul mccartney & whinge (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 14:59 (two years ago) link

TOOO LATE for the YOUNG GUN
to lead a simple life

paul mccartney & whinge (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 15:00 (two years ago) link

TSOL is a step down from the first two but there are still strong moments. I tend to skip the first 3 cuts and start with Advice. It's a pretty great listen from there, including the sketch-like bonus tracks. Best to stop with Music For Tables and avoid the cringe-worthy Johnny Panic, which is truly awful.

doug watson, Tuesday, 19 June 2018 15:12 (two years ago) link

as i discovered last year the roland orzabal solo record is good

flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 15:13 (two years ago) link

didn't he also produce the first emiliana torrini record?

ya done (Ross), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 15:13 (two years ago) link

lol i have no idea now why i brought that up xp

flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 15:14 (two years ago) link

https://img.discogs.com/Uoxyf_CynW_c1qG3Xx-dLEgR69E=/fit-in/526x536/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-190740-1159455722.jpeg.jpg

Weird that Johnny Panic thing.. they released it on its own, i never liked it much but clearly somebody did.

piscesx, Tuesday, 19 June 2018 15:23 (two years ago) link

It was definitely a product of its time

doug watson, Tuesday, 19 June 2018 15:31 (two years ago) link

This is such a strangely sequenced album, especially following "Big Chair," which is a perfectly sequenced record.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 June 2018 00:57 (two years ago) link

i like that. feels like you’re getting lost in it immediately

flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 00:58 (two years ago) link

how would you switch it up? i might switch advice and third world, but that's it

paul mccartney & whinge (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 00:58 (two years ago) link

I have no idea what "Third World" is trying to say beyond experimenting with sumptuousness and hanging it on imperialist tropes that may or may not be ironic; it's hard to tell from the singing.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 01:00 (two years ago) link

Good discussion here: Tears for Fears: C or D?

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 01:18 (two years ago) link

i could vote for any of these:

woman in chains
advice for the young at heart
swords and knives
year of the knife
famous last words

flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 02:24 (two years ago) link

Honestly the sequencing feels so random that you could probably just shuffle it up and it would work as well. I mean, "Woman in Chains" to "Badman's Song" is as radically oddball a contrast to start a hotly anticipated follow up to a blockbuster as anything since "Over and Over" to "The Ledge." So I don't know what would help the flow.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 June 2018 02:28 (two years ago) link

I've mentioned before my epiphany that Tears For Fears is one of the few bands (or at least Big Chair one of the few albums) clearly influenced by '80s Genesis, which is why I find it so ironic that the album that finds them totally breaking from that is the one that features Phil Collins.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 June 2018 02:30 (two years ago) link

Brad otm those are the key tracks

I don't think the sequencing is very weird and it flows great, Woman in Chains to Badman's Song is the only transition that feels weird at all and I don't know how else you'd sequence it

ufo, Wednesday, 20 June 2018 03:51 (two years ago) link

The track order is perfect and not strange at all. It's also not a great idea to compare this record to Songs From the Big Chair because it's a very different record.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 06:09 (two years ago) link

I also don't hear any direct influence from Genesis in Tears For Fears - perhaps indirectly on the production since having a big drum sound was the "in thing" production-wise in 1985, but absolutely not in the songwriting.

Invisible Touch has a bit of a Big Chair vibe about it in places, but it was released afterwards.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 06:25 (two years ago) link

Yup otm

lost in sublimation (Ross), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 06:37 (two years ago) link

and we will carry war
no more

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 27 June 2018 18:04 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 00:01 (two years ago) link

the sun and the moon

ant banks and wasp (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 03:04 (two years ago) link

will not accept
the greatness of man

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 03:12 (two years ago) link

I still can’t get into this album. The songs just go on forever.

“Woman in Chains” is pretty enough.

Police, Academy (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 03:55 (two years ago) link

it's impressive how great this album is despite it being a 'putting down the synthesizers in order to make something real' album where most of the tracks are 6+ minutes

ufo, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 04:56 (two years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 00:01 (two years ago) link

daaaaaaaaaamn!

I agree

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 00:03 (two years ago) link

Yup ^

Ross, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 06:36 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

Love this album but I'd still rather have a new album from them!

Vinnie, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 12:44 (two months ago) link

live-in-the-studio sessions

This is the most enticing bit. I'd totally listen to an album of Pino and Manu messing around.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 13:02 (two months ago) link

Nice! I look forward to assembling an alternate tracklisting for this album, parts of which I love, parts of which I can't stand.

doug watson, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 14:13 (two months ago) link

Can't stand seems a bit harsh.

Interested to know which ones they are

chonky floof (groovypanda), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 14:32 (two months ago) link

"Year of the Knife" does grate.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 14:34 (two months ago) link

Well, it's really just the title track that I can't stand. It seemed like a goofy pastiche when it was first released and then it was horribly overplayed during a summer job when all I had for music was a radio. I generally skip the first three tracks. Woman In Chains was also overplayed and while Badman's Song should've worked, I never warmed to it.

I love everything from Advice onwards, even Year Of The Knife. Wish the more percussive Tears Roll Down was about twice as long. It would've made a great opener (although maybe it wasn't recorded during the album sessions?)

doug watson, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 15:16 (two months ago) link

"Year of the Knife" does grate.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 14:34 (two hours ago) link

*great

3:10 to yur mom (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 17:32 (two months ago) link

I wish "Woman in Chains" had been overplayed in the States.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 17:33 (two months ago) link

i don't think it would be possible for a song as good as "woman in chains" to be overplayed

ufo, Thursday, 20 August 2020 03:10 (two months ago) link

unreleased demo version of "rhythm of life," which they eventually gave to oleta adams for her album: https://youtu.be/1Asyb8IY2hw

whiney on the moon (voodoo chili), Friday, 28 August 2020 16:56 (two months ago) link

My intro to her. VH-1 loved it.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 August 2020 17:00 (two months ago) link

i know the tff version is just a demo, but i think they made the right call in letting her have it.

whiney on the moon (voodoo chili), Friday, 28 August 2020 17:01 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

A....lot of music on this box set. The interesting stuff consists of jams that loosen the shackles from "Badman's Song" and "Standing on the Corner..."

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 28 September 2020 15:29 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

if you feel like polling the seeds once more, consider pulling the trigger for roland and oleta

Match E4!

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— World Cup Of Duets (@peoples_pop) October 13, 2020

covidiot wind, blowin every time you lift your mask (voodoo chili), Thursday, 15 October 2020 14:22 (two weeks ago) link

"Love Wars," man.

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 October 2020 14:23 (two weeks ago) link

ha yes, that song is also excellent. so is positive k. a shame that name recognition is pushing the pet shop bowies ahead

covidiot wind, blowin every time you lift your mask (voodoo chili), Thursday, 15 October 2020 14:28 (two weeks ago) link

The super deluxe reissue of "Seeds Of Love" arrived the other day, haven't spun it yet but the preview tracks have been intriguing. I'm most interested in the Townhouse jams and demos.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 15 October 2020 19:15 (two weeks ago) link

They're worth a listen.

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 October 2020 19:16 (two weeks ago) link


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