Jive Bunny: Classic Or Dud?

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Tom (Groke), Thursday, 14 November 2002 13:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

dud, dud, dud - sorry but thee whole megamix thing was one of the worst ideas ever perpetrated on music. it wasn't just the jive bunny / stars on 45 content and crummy jingles, it was the whole concept of reducing music to a soundbite. music, even music designed for mixing needs room to breathe which is probably why i always look incredulous when someone excitedly tells me that jeff mills mixed 4567 records in three minutes - so?????

fast mixing is easy, the trick to dj'ing is knowing how long to leave a record playing and having the patience to do so.

stirmonster, Thursday, 14 November 2002 13:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

dud but not as bad as everyone makes out...it comes down to whether you like megamixes or not really - and i fundamentally adore the concept of megamixes so even if the tracks and techniques used by Jive Bunny (it was Stock & Aitken behind this wasnt it?) arent exactly to my taste, i'm not too bothered

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 14 November 2002 13:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

jive bunny wasn't saw. one of the geezers now makes hard house. once a musical dolt, always a....

stirmonster, Thursday, 14 November 2002 13:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

music, even music designed for mixing needs room to breathe

it aint necessarily soooo...what about Playgroup Party Mix and Intro Inspection? granted they are a lot longer than the stuff you mentioned but still the same concept really

i've got a 13 minute 80s megamix on my hard drive that i love precisely because it reduces a lot of classic tracks to soundbites and does it very well...i might upload it in the very near future

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 14 November 2002 13:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

But isn't the idea that music can be reduced to a soundbite the founding principle of hip-hop (i.e. taking the best bit of a track and looping it)?

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 14 November 2002 13:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

But isn't the idea that music can be reduced to a soundbite the founding principle of hip-hop (i.e. taking the best bit of a track and looping it)?

yes, but, uh, that loops doesn't it.


it aint necessarily soooo...what about Playgroup Party Mix and Intro Inspection? granted they are a lot longer than the stuff you mentioned but still the same concept really

well, i can't stand either. really, they don't require much talent to do - just a lot of really anal patience. but, as you say, it comes down to whether you like megamixes or not. i don't.

stirmonster, Thursday, 14 November 2002 13:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeh, definitely, 'catchin' the break' and all that...i think you can do it well or you can do it bad and there was just something irevocably naff about mixing up all the old 50s and 60s tracks in the way Jive Bunny did - trite and instantly cliched/novelty - also maybe falling between two stools because kids dont really wanna hear old records and the grown-ups would rather just hear the ORIGINAL records they know and love so once the novelty waned Jive Bunny was dead in the water as far as releasing 3 minute smorgasboards of nostalgic rock n roll indulgence went

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 14 November 2002 13:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

the whole concept of reducing music to a soundbite.

is great! see akufen, todd edwards, osymyso, lots of house, lots of hip-hop. recontextualising is the present and the fyootcha. having said that, jive bunny were shit.

michael wells (michael w.), Thursday, 14 November 2002 13:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

one of the geezers now makes hard house. once a musical dolt, always a....

But, but...Tidy Trax is a great label!

Siegbran (eofor), Thursday, 14 November 2002 13:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sure it loops it but it's still not giving "Amen Brother" or "Funky Drummer" "room to breathe". I think megamixes are often lame, cf Mr Bunny, but with the Playgroup and Osymyso stuff there's a cumulative impact and effect which justifies the format for me. Actually I think many of the 'cheesy' megamixes do their job better than their original tracks - the four-minute compressed hit of Greaseness that is the "Grease Megamix" surely replaces any of the original music.

"Doesn't take much talent to do" - I'm not sure music should be rated on difficulty of production. OTOH if I made it myself I'm sure I'd feel like this.

(Stirmonster I think your "Jive Bunny for post-punks" comment on the Playgroup mix is pretty accurate BTW which is why I started the thread.)

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 14 November 2002 14:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

that said, i can see people getting fed up with 'Intro Inspection' too (some people i know were not impressed, seeing it as just needless 'showing off' - fair enough) - its not really something you stick on and listen to at home or while travelling, it seems to be designed purely for that novelty value - you hear it once or twice in a club/party or on the radio, laugh and nod in acknowledgement then move on. this doesnt mean it has no value as such, just that its a bit useless in the long run...like a lot art out there!

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 14 November 2002 14:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

reducing music to a soundbite is great. i make micro sampling music too. reducing music to a series of several hundred soundbites and then glueing them together a la playgroup party mix is not so great.

stirmonster, Thursday, 14 November 2002 14:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

Jive Bunny's videos are amazing, by the way.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 14 November 2002 14:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

maybe i'm being a bit harsh on 'intro inspection' there - i dont usualyl get the urge to listen to it but maybe this is just cos i heard it so much earlier this year...as a now and again thing it could still be quite nice, i'm just wondering if it could ever become a party/wedding classic because perhaps its too 'unorthodox' in that scenario

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 14 November 2002 14:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Doesn't take much talent to do"

very true - most of my fave music is made by talentless no marks. it's more that i think people are sometimes overimpressed by the 'wow' factor of these mixes and i like demystifying them. folk should have a go themselves.

stirmonster, Thursday, 14 November 2002 14:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

I can't see Intro-Inspection as a wedding classic, no. It's about the only track I've played for anyone this year which I've been forced to take off - something about it really seems to upset some people, even beyond the "goofy novelty"/waste-of-time aspect.

Stirmonster - I agree actually, that's what I like about the Playgroup mix, it's not a wow-factor at all, more joy that somebody with my record collection has been arsed to do it!

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 14 November 2002 14:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

tom, you actually have ALL those tracks on vinyl/cd/tape? gorblimeyguvnor...

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 14 November 2002 14:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well no not exactly, probably about 2/3s - I'm just saying there's no obscurity-factor or wow-thats-difficult factor coming in for me at least.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 14 November 2002 14:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

fair enough tom - we'll agree to disagree. i love about 90% of the music on it to death. if i had the time and f**ep**e had the bandwidth, i'd upload my ten hour version!

stirmonster, Thursday, 14 November 2002 14:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeh i listened to it earlier and i agree, it doesnt make you go 'wow, great mixing' but it does make you go 'wow, great track!' every 20 seconds

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 14 November 2002 14:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

The actual mixing on it is shocking in places!

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 14 November 2002 14:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

One member of Jive Bunny crossed picket lines during the miners strike. Very few Jive Bunny albums were bought in Barnsley/ Doncaster/ Rotherham etc. I can't be sure on this, but someone once told me that Tidy Trax don't do as well as you'd expect in the Gatecrasher heartland for the very same reason.

Anna (Anna), Thursday, 14 November 2002 15:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well, sorry, but I say CLASSIC.

I don't give a fuck about swing and would certainly never listen to an entire Glenn Miller record. But these were FUN. I was about 12-13 (I think) when these came out and they were a laugh. All the kids on the bus doing trombone motions and suchlike. And great videos. So much better than much of what was out at the time (remember, 'Swing the mood' knocked Sonia off the top spot).

The Doop was better, mind you...

Jacob, Thursday, 14 November 2002 15:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

i was 11/12 at the time and i thought it was a pile of shite...for fucks sake this was 1989 - there was an awful lot more fun, worthwhile, creative and important stuff going on in music!!!

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 14 November 2002 15:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'll have to go dig out my Jive Bunny tape now, heh

DG (D_To_The_G), Thursday, 14 November 2002 15:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

I was 16 which is surely scientifically verifiable as the absolute prime age for really really hating Jive Bunny. 16 year olds today - what have they got to hate? DJ Sammy? Don't make me larf.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 14 November 2002 15:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

Of course, and no-one would claim that Jive Bunny represented the pinnacle of western culture, but it's not as bad as this thread makes out. I'd say that Jive Bunny would make better listening now than 3/4s of the stuff that was in the charts at the time.

Remember Richard Marx...

Jacob, Thursday, 14 November 2002 15:53 (twenty-one years ago) link


August 1989 UK top 20

1 Swing the mood Jive Bunny & the Mastermixers
2 Wouldn't change a thing Kylie Minogue
3 French kiss Lil Louis
4 Poison Alice Cooper
5 You'll never stop me from loving you Sonia
6 Don't wanna lose you Gloria Estefan
7 Toy soldiers Martika
8 Too much Bros
9 On our own Bobby Brown
10 You're history Shakespear's Sister
11 Losing my mind Liza Minneli
12 Ride on time Black Box
13 Blame it on the boogie Big Fun
14 Ain't nobody Rufus & Chaka Khan
15 Wind beneath my wings Bette Midler
16 London nights London Boys
17 Hey D.J. I can't dance to that music you're playing/Ska train Beatmaster feat. Betty Boo
18 Days Kirsty MacColl
19 Do the right thing Redhead Kingpin & the FBI
20 Back to life(However do you want me)

Jacob, Thursday, 14 November 2002 15:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Numbers 3,4,12,14 and 20 are tolerable, the rest are execrable.

Hence Jive Bunny rools.

Jacob, Thursday, 14 November 2002 15:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

LONDON BOYS!!!

8 good-to-really-good songs in that top 20 - Lil Louis, Shakespear's Sister, Liza, Black Box, London Boys, Beatmasters, Redhead Kingpin, and Soul II Soul

Definitely worse than J Bunny: Sonia, Big Fun, Bette Arsing Midler, Kirsty MacColl much as I like her other stuff.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 14 November 2002 16:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

yes Tom, that Kinks cover was prolly the worst song on McColl's album "Kite". The Redhead Kingpin track has one of the best lines in rap ever, especially on account of the speed in which he delivers it, "I asked my old man Winston what he did when he was young he said he learned to shoot a gun before the age of 21".

Wouldn't Change a Thing is my favourite Kylie track.

MarkH (MarkH), Thursday, 14 November 2002 16:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

But isn't the idea that music can be reduced to a soundbite the founding principle of hip-hop (i.e. taking the best bit of a track and looping it)?

Jive Bunny is axiomatically dud.

If hip-hop is like Jive Bunny, then hip-hop too is axiomatically dud.

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 14 November 2002 16:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

8 good-to-really-good songs in that top 20 - Lil Louis, Shakespear's Sister, Liza, Black Box, London Boys, Beatmasters, Redhead Kingpin, and Soul II Soul

hey! "ain't nobody" is the best record of all time. i'm amazed that you don't even rate it as 'good'.

michael wells (michael w.), Thursday, 14 November 2002 16:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's alright I suppose.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 14 November 2002 16:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

prefer 'I Feel For You' actually

mark H i believe that line in 'Do The Right Thing' actually went 'i asked my man victor what he used to do for fun he said you learned to shoot a gun before the age of 21' - i have an alarmingly decent memory for the lyrics of this track for some reason, witness...

do the right thing
not talking about a black or white thing
cos that would cause conflict and make this hit legit
but you're definition of legit, and illegitimate is confusing now the redhead one was sent
to make things clearer, cos in about a year or two
what you're gonna do is look up in the mirror
and what you'll see is the image of hate
that you shed(/shared) upon your others your sisters and your brothers
crime and abortion, all kinds of mind distortion
this is very important with just a little caution
of what you can do, just a clue and its true bro
dont want a new sweater (??) just make your life better
an do the right thing!

only i'm sure that line about Victor is in that first verse somewhere too...

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 14 November 2002 16:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

aw c'mon it was 13 years ago, gimme a break!

MarkH (MarkH), Thursday, 14 November 2002 16:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

"it lacks that certain punch, that certain edge...Betty Boo's the best thing since sliced bread! i've had enough yo i wanna cuss so take that old skool beat with you and dust cos lately you aint been up to scratch, and i cant dance to that!"

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 14 November 2002 16:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

hey mark, you might be right about it being Winston tho...

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 14 November 2002 16:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

seven years pass...

So Tom's been tackling the Jive Bunny singles on Popular now (here and here so far) and WTF at this cover image:

http://s1.e-monsite.com/2009/03/13/05/23265319jive-bunny-that-s-what-i-like-jpg.jpg

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 14:30 (thirteen years ago) link

Was going to post last week's update, but I was embarrassed to look for Jive Bunny threads.

raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 14:31 (thirteen years ago) link

Hahah!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 14:32 (thirteen years ago) link

Actually this thread's pretty interesting for the initial debate between FT/Optimo aesthetics! Kinda.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 14:33 (thirteen years ago) link

yes - good to read again (and surprisingly not bad for my early days on ILM), thanks. i actually have no idea what the Playgroup Party Mix is now.

altho reviving this more for the racial-cariacture artwork basis is almost worthy of a hatcat...

sock lobster (blueski), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 15:14 (thirteen years ago) link

Playgroup Party Mix was some kind of sub-2ManyDJs mix album wasn't it?

Matt DC, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link

You would have thought that English people in 1989 who were into forties/fifties music wouldn't be horrible racists oh wait.

Ain't Gonna Play Sim City (King Boy Pato), Thursday, 7 October 2010 10:54 (thirteen years ago) link

You would have thought that English people in 2010 who were into sixities/seventies music wouldn't be horrible racists oh wait.

Ain't Gonna Play Sim City (King Boy Pato), Thursday, 7 October 2010 10:55 (thirteen years ago) link

recontextualising is the present and the fyootcha

Recontextualising may not have been so much the past in 2002 as it is now. Recontextualising is SOOOOOO 90s.

Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 7 October 2010 11:47 (thirteen years ago) link

Actually, “Swing The Mood” does do one intriguing thing: it erases the distinction between the Glenn Miller bed of the track and the late-50s records it frames – 1941 and 1959 are both just “oldies” now, a cultural redshift taking place as the rock’n'roll era drops out of sight.

this is actually the most striking thing about the original track -- it's pointedly collapsing two eras of youth culture into one track. and the fact that they were both already vintage youth movements just made the novelty that much greater.

they played this at my 30 year old little cousin's wedding in new jersey this summer, I couldn't believe it. the kids didn't stop dancing & the parents & grandparents beelined, what's to say

Milton Parker, Thursday, 7 October 2010 17:24 (thirteen years ago) link

One half of Jive Bunny actually linked to that piece on Twitter, despite the 3/10 rating.

Matt DC, Thursday, 7 October 2010 23:27 (thirteen years ago) link

One member of Jive Bunny crossed picket lines during the miners strike. Very few Jive Bunny albums were bought in Barnsley/ Doncaster/ Rotherham etc. I can't be sure on this, but someone once told me that Tidy Trax don't do as well as you'd expect in the Gatecrasher heartland for the very same reason.

― Anna (Anna), Thursday, November 14, 2002 9:29 AM (7 years ago) Bookmark

zvookster, Thursday, 7 October 2010 23:38 (thirteen years ago) link

playgroup partmix was that ridiculously loaded 80s mix, superfun and awesome, still a fave. http://www.trevor-jackson.com/content/extras/djmixes/mp3/TJPlaygroupPartymix.mp3

balls, Thursday, 7 October 2010 23:43 (thirteen years ago) link

thanks, had never even heard of that. totally my speed for being both an archival time capsule overview & also total fun

Milton Parker, Friday, 8 October 2010 22:21 (thirteen years ago) link

Jive Bunny 'The Album' is the only album (contemporary or otherwise) that me and my grandmother have ever had in common from our collections

Morcheeba, simply happening. (PaulTMA), Friday, 8 October 2010 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link


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