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I already loved her 2016 album 'At The Dam', but her new one 'Hundreds of Days' is like the dewy-eyed, overtly sentimental blissed-out ambient harp album I never knew I needed to listen to at all times just to survive. The concessions to "crossover" (as such) here - shimmering keyboard fills, mostly, plus the occasional drums and echoed vocals - just seem to enhance the bucolic-utopian vibe. Let's talk about it! And can ILX inform me of any of her collaborations that are totally essential?

Tim F, Monday, 21 May 2018 10:47 (four years ago) link

haven't heard the new one yet but have liked all her solo stuff that i've heard so far - was really into 'the withdrawing room' when that came out

didn't realise until recently that she plays on hop along's 'painted shut' album

chant down basildon (NickB), Monday, 21 May 2018 11:12 (four years ago) link

I have nothing to add here but I'm a fan, I love the new album, and she is great

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 21 May 2018 11:29 (four years ago) link

i love this album so much, it’s all i’ve listened to for weeks

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 21 May 2018 12:21 (four years ago) link

this is some of the worst music in the world.

seems v much of a piece with the more recent wave of post-takoma guitarists who show their cloth-ears by treating the new age copycats & originals as being much of a muchness. sure there's a lot of detail which can be hard to concentrate on, but if you unfocus your ears it all blurs into a sweet mellow vibe. it's utopian in the way a show-home is utopian, bland and featureless.

if ppl's anhedonia has rendered them numb to all but the most cartoonishly saccharine & they retreat into this mush as an act of self-care then they have my sympathies. mb ppl will find the strength to engage more intensely when the political climate improves, or mb it's just indicative of ppl tending to be at their most boringly self-involved and incurious between 30 & 50. in any case I'm managing fine with solids, ta

ogmor, Monday, 21 May 2018 13:08 (four years ago) link

well that was awful

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 21 May 2018 13:10 (four years ago) link

the problem with this record is i gotta stop drinking soylent and calling myself a snowflake

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 21 May 2018 13:23 (four years ago) link

I don't think it's sensitive at all, it's aspiring to an unworldly lack of awareness, the 'incurious reverie' that I think rtc meant to charge ilx w before he departed

ogmor, Monday, 21 May 2018 13:47 (four years ago) link

it was incurious revelry iirc

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 21 May 2018 13:50 (four years ago) link

it was, but I thought incurious reverie was a much more astute indictment given the way the board has gone and so hoped that's what he'd meant

ogmor, Monday, 21 May 2018 13:52 (four years ago) link

ah yes what rtc was talking about was ilx’s inability to ingest solids

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 21 May 2018 13:55 (four years ago) link

Listening to the new one now and tbh i am a bit taken aback by the melodic guilelessness of it, i totally get where ogmor is coming from. otoh as that first song went on I was pulled deeper into its world. Second song is nice, sounds like a cross between Juliana Barwick and Popol Vuh?

chant down basildon (NickB), Monday, 21 May 2018 13:58 (four years ago) link

Getting a very Virginia Astley/From Gardens Where We Feel Secure vibe from this

chant down basildon (NickB), Monday, 21 May 2018 14:00 (four years ago) link

if ppl's anhedonia has rendered them numb to all but the most cartoonishly saccharine & they retreat into this mush as an act of self-care then they have my sympathies

this is condescending horseshit and as incurious as the “reverie” rtc meant to identify or whatever

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 21 May 2018 14:03 (four years ago) link

I was trying to entertain the idea that fondness for this music was not just based on a lack of familiarity w/ more flavoursome instrumental music. obv I do mean to condescend but I'm not incurious

ogmor, Monday, 21 May 2018 14:09 (four years ago) link

iirc you were implying fondness for this music could emerge from a deep anhedonia

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 21 May 2018 14:11 (four years ago) link

i disagree with the substance of what ogmor's said, but i can't say i don't find his invective refreshing. not because i think lattimore necessarily deserves to be dunked on in such a manner - i don't think she does - but because there is a certain amount of polite clubbiness to ilx of late, almost a _collegiality_. rock critic savagery is a terrible thing to behold and i kind of miss it a little. occasionally i want to just completely dunk on, say, greta van fleet in a cruel and unhlpeful manner.

for what it's worth i have a deep anhedonia and find this latest record perhaps a little dull, though i liked her last one ok

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Monday, 21 May 2018 14:12 (four years ago) link

the appetite for hostility is more disturbing to me than the substance of this particular accusation against the harp music of mary lattimore.
this is a thread about mary lattimore and her harp music, which i like just fine but do not like the projection about why i may or may not enjoy it

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 21 May 2018 14:16 (four years ago) link

sorry i subscribe to the notion that rock critic invective has always sucked. would love to read a critique of mary lattimore that seemed actually engaged with her music instead of creating a fictional account of why people might like her, which i’m certainly not one of them, i listen to way better instrumental music than this

if you’re going to dunk dunk better

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 21 May 2018 14:17 (four years ago) link

am now up to track five and tbh this one does sound like the backing track off a panpipe record

chant down basildon (NickB), Monday, 21 May 2018 14:18 (four years ago) link

brad my uncharitable fiction was in response to tim's "I never knew I needed to listen to at all times just to survive" & similarly serious

ogmor, Monday, 21 May 2018 14:24 (four years ago) link

wow this thread went in a surprise direction

haven't really dug into this yet but she's opening for Iceage (?!) which should be interesting to catch

Simon H., Monday, 21 May 2018 14:27 (four years ago) link

i always appreciate ogmor's position as post fahey diaspora skeptic, and value the check on my own enthusiasms even if i don't always agree sometime they do point out flaws in things i like (and continue to like)

haven't heard this new one but have been a fan of lattimore

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 21 May 2018 14:27 (four years ago) link

i just came here to say that "wawa by the ocean" is a gorgeous tune

well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Monday, 21 May 2018 14:28 (four years ago) link

saw her last night in Denver, thought it was great! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

tylerw, Monday, 21 May 2018 14:43 (four years ago) link

gave this a slight listen earlier

being charitable, it seemed to be going for a similar vibe to the beatific and stunning coda to wilco's 'one sunday morning' except without the subtle shifts in emphasis or the sonic density

it obviously isn't for me and as a practical criticism exercise can't come across as much more than pablum, but i guess we all get medicated our own way. not everything has to be listened to consciously (let alone analytically)

rooting for ogmor inasmuch as something has *happened* on ilm, and inasmuch as i favour 'invention' and 'maximalism' over new-age or ambient (n.b. i know this is often a false dichotomy)

kas, nu-eno etc irritate me more as they appear to possess some kind of intellectual justification for their music which this afaict lacks. iirc ogmor was similarly scathing about that william tyler album which i didn't mind so much either - like this, it just felt like a pretty doldrum, nothing too self-important or even particularly cloying, despite the almost complete lack of melodic complexity or, well, art

imago, Monday, 21 May 2018 14:55 (four years ago) link

I like her

https://youtu.be/rpI6PoZGhSo

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 21 May 2018 15:33 (four years ago) link

Just IMO a broad dismissiveness of saccharine prettiness is itself a position I can never get with, but if people want to tell their mom the world sucks and go to their room without any dinner and post on 4chan all night then who am I to stop them or judge their aesthetic priorities.

Tim F, Monday, 21 May 2018 16:01 (four years ago) link

which are yr fav types of broad dismissiveness?

ogmor, Monday, 21 May 2018 17:01 (four years ago) link

eh it’s good to have some dissent on these threads, and ogmor is generally bright, witty and informed and certainly more entertaining than the dull likes of myself so bring it on our kid

chant down basildon (NickB), Monday, 21 May 2018 17:07 (four years ago) link

the more recent wave of post-takoma guitarists who show their cloth-ears by treating the new age copycats & originals as being much of a muchness

where and how do you draw this distinction? Like, because Eno and Steve Roach had to make do with comparatively primitive gear the sounds they achieved were somehow more artistic and musical than the guy who hears Emeralds or Oneohtrix and goes to Guitar Center and gets four pedals and an Arturia minibrute and creates sounds that to the average listener are indistinguishable from those made by the ambient 'pioneers?'

I ask this because I think you are onto something, and would agree to some extent that a lot of contemporary new age, ambient and drone music is naked emperor 101 (sidestepping, of course, the false dichotomies imago references) but I don't think Mary Lattimore falls into the latter category at all

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 21 May 2018 17:15 (four years ago) link

always love to see some ogmor shit-stirring

global tetrahedron, Monday, 21 May 2018 17:32 (four years ago) link

seems v much of a piece with the more recent wave of post-takoma guitarists who show their cloth-ears by treating the new age copycats & originals as being much of a muchness. sure there's a lot of detail which can be hard to concentrate on, but if you unfocus your ears it all blurs into a sweet mellow vibe. it's utopian in the way a show-home is utopian, bland and featureless.

if ppl's anhedonia has rendered them numb to all but the most cartoonishly saccharine & they retreat into this mush as an act of self-care then they have my sympathies. mb ppl will find the strength to engage more intensely when the political climate improves, or mb it's just indicative of ppl tending to be at their most boringly self-involved and incurious between 30 & 50. in any case I'm managing fine with solids, ta

this except for the part where it's all a bad thing

we æt so many shimripl (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 21 May 2018 17:36 (four years ago) link

Listening to this now, so I can pass the definitive judgment on it.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 21 May 2018 18:43 (four years ago) link

Shocked that Mary Lattimore's music could inspire such enmity. I saw her open for Parquet Courts a year ago in a church & it was beautiful, her music was obviously more suited to the venue than PC. New album is great. What's to hate?

flappy bird, Monday, 21 May 2018 18:46 (four years ago) link

she's been heading in a more dreamy direction lately, but some of her records (like the collabs with Jeff Ziegler) go into some wilder, more out zones. i like both sides of the coin.

tylerw, Monday, 21 May 2018 18:54 (four years ago) link

This is pleasant yet dull. I could see it being fine for when I want to be in a very chill headspace, but it isn't exactly exciting to listen to, and the harp playing is a bit too hazy lazy for my taste.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 21 May 2018 18:57 (four years ago) link

well, that's settled, then

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 21 May 2018 19:02 (four years ago) link

I loved seeing her play live last year.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Monday, 21 May 2018 19:10 (four years ago) link

Yep, you're welcome

xp

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 21 May 2018 19:10 (four years ago) link

There's an imprecision to the harp parts that makes me itchy if I focus too much on it.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 21 May 2018 20:37 (four years ago) link

the guy who hears Emeralds or Oneohtrix and goes to Guitar Center and gets four pedals and an Arturia minibrute and creates sounds that to the average listener are indistinguishable from those made by the ambient 'pioneers?

hey i think you'll find that actually i own a microbrute

bet I know the four pedals though

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 21 May 2018 22:49 (four years ago) link

it was, but I thought incurious reverie was a much more astute indictment given the way the board has gone and so hoped that's what he'd meant

― ogmor, Monday, May 21, 2018 1:52 PM (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

FWIW I do think "incurious reverie" works as well in terms of capturing what (I think) the original point meant, though second guessing is perhaps a dangerous game.

Conversely, though, any debate that frames ILX's "problem" around what people listen to rather than how they listen to music and talk about it is missing the point IMO - and further, the issue with trying to refract that kind of critique through a single artist or album or etc. is that it's basically impossible to move beyond the what to the how, except as part of a bad faith "people who listen to this are like that" exercise. Even if someone was listening to a piece of music as an act of "self-care" this doesn't really get very far as character diagnosis given they may well be listening to (insert your favourite difficult / challenging / politically subversive artist) next.

There's a reason why rtc tended to criticise ILX (or segments thereof) for what music people refused to engage with (and how they tended to refuse to engage) rather than the other way around - it's far more instructive. The problem with Patrick Bateman (who is the archetype for the kind of discussion we're having) is not that he was wrong about the records that he liked but that his aesthetic value system was so rigidly foreclosed.

Tim F, Monday, 21 May 2018 23:15 (four years ago) link

1) who is rtc?
2) why does he (he?) get to determine the nature of our discussion of the harp music of mary lattimore?

trying to project your thoughts onto people who enjoy a certain artist's music is a fool's errand/exercise in irrelevance imo

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 21 May 2018 23:28 (four years ago) link

I listened to this and I like it

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 21 May 2018 23:29 (four years ago) link

but I get partly was ogmor is saying, there's a lot of cultural signifiers involved in why this is this and other stuff is on those CDs they play at massage places

but I'd suggest they opposite rather that we underrated or dismiss the latter instead of overrate the former

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 21 May 2018 23:35 (four years ago) link

yep

Tim F, Monday, 21 May 2018 23:38 (four years ago) link

Suzanne Ciani's new age recordings are niiiiice

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 21 May 2018 23:43 (four years ago) link

don't underestimate negative connotations and weird cultural associations with anything vaguely "yuppie"

also I blame punk rock for a lot of these idiot rockist opinions

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 21 May 2018 23:58 (four years ago) link

xp lay some steve mcclaren bait out

nxd, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 09:10 (four years ago) link

I don't get the Laraaji love. Based on what I've heard his music has two modes: boring and corny.

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 13:13 (four years ago) link

Now ogmor has made me self-conscious and I’m aftaid of listening to it and liking it. I need to revaluate my life

this is the opposite of what is supposed to happen when healthy discussion occurs

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 14:08 (four years ago) link

ok, ok, i'm convinced, we can go ahead and declare the death of hyperbole

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 14:27 (four years ago) link

There's a reason why rtc tended to criticise ILX (or segments thereof) for what music people refused to engage with (and how they tended to refuse to engage) rather than the other way around - it's far more instructive.

Ppl's lack of interest in something as niche as instrumental harp music doesn't seem like a refusal until they latch onto one particular example and then you wonder why this and not that. There's been quite an upturn in interest in instrumental string music in recent years but it's largely centred around this american scene, w/ a mixture of ppl from the previous early 00s takomish boom (& those they've inspired), the usual mix of often older psych and drone fans, and increasingly ppl who have followed their bliss from other scenes which have moved into more mellow, new age territory, which has become a converging point.

I've complained abt the guitarists more specifically in ilx brigade threads (despite what chinaski may remember), but a lot of it comes down to the perennial tension between composing and performing. When ppl pull back from cutting loose to go freeform and still restrict themselves to solid compositions while they get less and less composerly, you get some real turds. a fun glimpse at a glorious alternative world here is jack rose initially thinking that fare forward voyagers was improvised, bless him. I'd argue the interest in sarod, sitar & veena players beyond Sweet Modal Dronin' is as a model for how to have expressionist performance w/ some structure. A lot of ppl talk the same game as their predecessors (even dress the same) but the attempts to thrash out some sort of coherent sound have made it more cliche, less surprising, less engaged w/ other material, less structured, less varied, and increasingly insular as it veers closer to being pure mood music. what was timeless becomes ahistorical, what was deployed w/ deft irony is cack-handedly hammered home over and over w/ blunt sincerity. there's no ambiguity, only superficial depth, no stakes, no drama. cadillac desert.

The uncritical positivity around the scene belies its narrowed interest and, indeed, 'foreclosed value system'. why does ML get so many more ilx ears than, say, toumani & sidiki diabate's gorgeously fluid, shimmering, spacious, limber & fantastically pretty 2014 album? toumani's much more famous, he's worked with loads of accomplished performers, represents ~70 generations of kora playing tradition and plays this beautiful, expansive, lucid, tender music that you can v happily zone out to or focus on as you see fit. people will occasionally spend an afternoon Vibing To The World Tip but are consistently excited to check out the last person who opened for thurston moore, are ready to pay for a boutique reissue of some californian who recorded two pretty ok songs in 1973, or suddenly pay attention to some mediocrity who's been plugging away in rightful obscurity for decades who Looks The Part.

idk quite what to make of it. do foreign rhythms harsh the buzz? do ML fans turn their nose up at lost of other instrumental harp music? is it more generous to assume ppl just want something as simple as possible or that they just pay more attention to white americans in plaid? anyway this thread has reminded me to order this, am stoked:

https://img.discogs.com/N2-OH_VqHkEnYgNJzAft5dA2exc=/fit-in/600x592/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-9596328-1483387259-4446.jpeg.jpg

ogmor, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 14:37 (four years ago) link

lol ogmor william tyler really gets your aesthetic goat don't he?

again i'm not discounting some of your points, though i think certain players (sarah louise and ryley walker's new albums, chuck johnson's pedal steel stuff and what i expect from the next daniel bachman album based on his 1000 incarnations of the rose set) are breaking through to voices that are very distinctive...

also can i just say i love jack rose but the constant holding up as him and fahey as the "real deal" that can't be topped is its own form of blinkered that plagues the scene as much as the chumminess you're talking about

since we're basically rehashing mild brigade beefs here and it's getting attention outside of the regulars i'll repost Wu Fei, which you might dig?

Wu Fei is a native of Beijing & a current Nashville resident, is a master of the guzheng, the ancient 21-string Chinese zither. She was trained as a Western classical composer, a vocalist, & plays beautifully in the guzheng's vernacular–a musical language which is at least 2,000 years old. She mixes Western & Chinese traditional sensibilities with a contemporary idiosyncratic, experimental dialect

https://wufeimusic.bandcamp.com/

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 15:05 (four years ago) link

Weird to single her out, though - especially given the amount of actual more rigidly obvious post-Takoma stuff that seems to get a pass.

― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Tuesday, May 22, 2018 3:23 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

but yeah ogmor is right he's def critical of many nu-post-takoma players in his defense

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 15:06 (four years ago) link

haha, i think ogmor's making interesting/valid points, but I also think that accusing people who are listening to and enjoying an obscure instrumental harpist of being musically incurious and self-absorbed (and maybe racist?) is a weird way to go about it. i own and love several diabate records fwiw.

tylerw, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 15:12 (four years ago) link

thing about this record though is that it doesn't really feel like part of that that whole post-takoma thing (even though that might be part of mary's background? i don't know tbh). i can't really hear any connection with american primitivism or any other kind of quasi-rootsy authenticity. it's more that meeting point between new age and the gauzy ambientish indie of juliana barwick, colleen, benoit pioulard etc. would totally encourage people to go listen to toumani diabate though - 'new ancient strings' with ballake sissoko was a real game changer for me

chant down basildon (NickB), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 15:17 (four years ago) link

haha, i think ogmor's making interesting/valid points, but I also think that accusing people who are listening to and enjoying an obscure instrumental harpist of being musically incurious and self-absorbed (and maybe racist?) is a weird way to go about it. i own and love several diabate records fwiw.

― tylerw

it seems a bit strawmanny to be honest, i'm not entirely convinced that there are loads of people who go ape over lattimore to the _detriment_ of diabate. ilx spending more time discussing a record that came out this year (and most of that discussion centering around ogmor's post, if not for it this thread would've died at ten posts) than a record that came out in 2014 should be a surprise to nobody.

that wu fei record is great, sorry i missed it when it came out but in my defense i had a lot going on in 2007

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 15:31 (four years ago) link

I meant in 2014 obv. I will check the wu fei. I quite like sarah louise but those other three are the worst offenders imo, but anyway, I'll leave you to yr healthy discussion, but tbh this biz is not what i'm about: constant holding up (of rose) and fahey as the "real deal" that can't be topped - something can be a v desperate copy without the thing it's copying being untoppable, but obv that wld require understanding exactly what it is that yr trying to top (for example: his curiosity). fahey is the real deal in that he's what everyone's copying; rose is a different, transitional figure. it all went wrong with james blackshaw, who was at least ahead of the curve, and some of you wld probably like a lot

ogmor, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 15:45 (four years ago) link

can't abide by james blackshaw tbh

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 16:00 (four years ago) link

blackshaw isn't the worst point of comparison tbh - there's a latent medievalism in both their work rather than anything blues based

chant down basildon (NickB), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 16:12 (four years ago) link

or blues derived rather

chant down basildon (NickB), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 16:13 (four years ago) link

fahey is the real deal in that he's what everyone's copying

You accuse the ML fans / Diabete ignorers of engaging in (I guess hype-centered?) myopia and then you say this.

To say "everyone" is copying Fahey is so completely and demonstrably false, as you well know. I'd love to hear what exactly Nathan Salsburg, Cian Nugent, Paul Metzger, or Rick Bishop have to do with Fahey, to name four completely different acoustic guitarists we've mentioned on this thread and others. The frustrating thing for me about the so-called post-Takoma stuff (and things like the Thousand Incarnations festival) is that it shoves a lot of very distinctive players into this "American Primitive" box, which is imo probably the least musically interesting music being made by solo guitar players in 2018. Fahey / Rose copycats are everywhere because it's the easiest style to passably imitate. No one is "doing" Bert Jansch, to say nothing of Debashish Bhuttacharya, because that shit is way more difficult than figuring out how to play Mississippi John Hurt tunes for audiences raised on At The Drive In and Built To Spill.

This is not at all to discount the talent (and in many cases genius) of players like Fahey and Rose (and Bachman, who I think is a pretty huge cut above a lot of his contemporaries). I just think those guys should be the final word on "Sunflower River Blues" and sidelong slide guitar ragas because enough already.

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 16:15 (four years ago) link

yah i feel like blackshaw is way more descended from UK folk by way of Philip Glass than Am Priv

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 16:16 (four years ago) link

UK folk by way of Philip Glass

What is the best Blackshaw album to listen to for this sound? I've only listened to Apologia, which I like a lot but seems Ampriv/country blues-rooted to me. That description sounds awesome, though.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 16:33 (four years ago) link

because that shit is way more difficult than figuring out how to play Mississippi John Hurt tunes for audiences raised on At The Drive In and Built To Spill.

this cuts deep

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 16:37 (four years ago) link

Sund4r - try The Glass Bead Game

chant down basildon (NickB), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 16:39 (four years ago) link

Oh, 4m in, Glass Bead Game is definitely up my alley.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 17:10 (four years ago) link

way more difficult than figuring out how to play Mississippi John Hurt tunes for audiences raised on At The Drive In and Built To Spill.

actually takes some practice champ try it sometime

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 17:15 (four years ago) link

sorry harp threads make me aggro

#side2mywar

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 17:20 (four years ago) link

At The Drive In and Built To Spill

would attend this co-headlining tour, mary lattimore opening ofc

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 17:23 (four years ago) link

hope mary lattimore doesn't start dating elon musk or shit is gonna get ugly itt

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 17:29 (four years ago) link

sorry harp threads make me aggro

how soon ye forget the wars of the newsom

chant down basildon (NickB), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 17:34 (four years ago) link

man, god forbid someone just thinks lattimore's songs are pretty

alpine static, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 21:49 (four years ago) link

If there's one cynical opinion that ogmor's arguments are reminding me that I've flirted with, it's that sometimes a hip and respected artist can make anything normally dull and uninspired interesting to their audience just because they're doing it. Is that kind of what ogmor is getting at here?

Fahey / Rose copycats are everywhere because it's the easiest style to passably imitate.

Yes and no. It depends on who you ask. How do you feel about abstract expressionist or color field painting?

Evan, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 01:36 (four years ago) link

I know that for every Jackson Pollock or Rothko, there are a thousand pretenders who think "I can do that," and they are usually dead wrong and end up producing something that bears only the slightest and most superficial resemblance to the genuine article.

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 12:22 (four years ago) link

folks would we even be having this massive struggle session if we were talking about MARIO Lattimore? makes u think

Simon H., Wednesday, 23 May 2018 12:50 (four years ago) link

mario lattimore bravely challenges the culture of toxic masculinity on his new harp album

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 12:55 (four years ago) link

I think that guy did my kitchen tiles, but he pronounced it "latta-MOR-ay"

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 13:07 (four years ago) link

his tiling is sharp
then he plays you his harp
latta-MOR-ay

chant down basildon (NickB), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 13:13 (four years ago) link

I've seen kora players in The Gambia and I like Marion Lattimorus, so check the size of my spuds.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 13:18 (four years ago) link

the appetite for hostility is more disturbing to me than the substance of this particular accusation against the harp music of mary lattimore.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, May 21, 2018 3:16 PM (two days ago)

This is seriously OTM, LL.

emil.y, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 13:32 (four years ago) link

his tiling is sharp
then he plays you his harp
latta-MOR-ay

Ok, I LOLed

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 14:19 (four years ago) link

anyway the brigade threads have been generally the best and nicest threads on ilm for a long time and i really love all the regulars so i'm glad all this shit got hashed out in another thread, though lattimore probably has little to do with it.

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 14:37 (four years ago) link

“Ppl's lack of interest in something as niche as instrumental harp music doesn't seem like a refusal until they latch onto one particular example and then you wonder why this and not that. There's been quite an upturn in interest in instrumental string music in recent years but it's largely centred around this american scene, w/ a mixture of ppl from the previous early 00s takomish boom (& those they've inspired), the usual mix of often older psych and drone fans, and increasingly ppl who have followed their bliss from other scenes which have moved into more mellow, new age territory, which has become a converging point.“

This seems fair and reasonably likely to me though apart from a few isolated examples (e.g. Blackshaw) I don’t know much of the American music you’re referring to - case in point, I discovered Lattimore off a friend who has a shared love of the new agey end of Balearic revivalism. My go-to reference points for Lattimore when first listening (and especially her latest album) would be stuff like Wolf Muller & Cass rather than Toumani and Sidiki Diabate, though obviously if viewed in terms of the choice of lead instrument the latter makes sense. I had heard Toumani before, but not the 2014 album, and it is magical, though in ways that feel very different to me than ML.

In that sense my entry point and frame for ML are perhaps precisely the sonic trappings which you’d consider represent aesthetic choices which are wrong or dubious or cynical, I dunno.

Tim F, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 22:12 (four years ago) link

man, god forbid someone just thinks lattimore's songs are pretty

Davey D, Thursday, 24 May 2018 06:39 (four years ago) link

three months pass...

https://threelobed.bandcamp.com/album/ghost-forests

velko, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 05:43 (four years ago) link

excited for this!

the only track available is lush, reminds me of grouper a bit

nxd, Wednesday, 12 September 2018 09:08 (four years ago) link

Beautiful song

flappy bird, Thursday, 13 September 2018 03:51 (four years ago) link

two months pass...

Painter of Tygers sounds just like His Name is Alive circa 1992. Gorgeous

john. a resident of evanston. (john. a resident of chicago.), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 14:52 (four years ago) link

meant to post here that if anyone is craving more fresh instrumental harp music SOAR by Catrin Finch and Seckou Keita (on kora) is v v good

https://open.spotify.com/album/2s5WYOg1fezE42u6X0GqJc?si=NPVnH4Q7T06un-ZMOtnG_w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urnm8Aync5s

niels, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 14:57 (four years ago) link

Enjoying this, thanks.

jmm, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 15:05 (four years ago) link

five months pass...

Mary Lattimore on the PBS @NewsHour just now! Very cool 👏 pic.twitter.com/vkbeFymeVX

— Nicky Smith (@nickyotissmith) April 20, 2019

flappy bird, Saturday, 20 April 2019 21:45 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

I just came to say her new album is rather lovely and then I re-read the thread...

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Saturday, 14 November 2020 09:54 (two years ago) link

I will state ftr that I'm in the upper reaches of the 30-50 bracket and have very much given up.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Saturday, 14 November 2020 09:57 (two years ago) link

She is fantastic and I love the new one

change display name (Jordan), Saturday, 14 November 2020 13:36 (two years ago) link

I think this album is her strongest yet & ogmor can suck it

real muthaphuckkin jeez (crüt), Saturday, 14 November 2020 14:42 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

https://bfplny.com/event/electric-appalachia/

Jan 25 at 7:30pm
SILENT FILMS / LIVE MUSIC:
ELECTRIC APPALACHIA
Electric Appalachia is scored and performed by Mary Lattimore and William Tyler.

Experience the first evening of the Silent Films/Live Music series with the New York premiere of “Electric Appalachia.” Using found archival footage, the film offers a meditation on electricity and modernity in East Tennessee. Compiled by Eric Dawson (director at the Tennessee Archive of Moving Image and Sound – TAMIS) with score written and performed by guitarist William Tyler and harpist Mary Lattimore.
No RSVP is required. Seating is first come, first served. Free popcorn while supplies last.

POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 18 January 2023 20:45 (two weeks ago) link


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