THE HOUSE OF SUN-EL: Sun-El Musician, Simmy, Mlindo The Vocalist, and other related artists

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the album to follow-up board favourite single Akanamali is out and it's all gorgeous afro-house in the same vein. one of my favourite pop albums so far this year

ufo, Thursday, 19 April 2018 15:58 (one year ago) link

Akanamali was by far my favorite discovery from the year-end poll, will definitely check this out.

bhad gon' hurt your bhack (voodoo chili), Thursday, 19 April 2018 16:01 (one year ago) link

Probably as good a place as any to put this, which I've never seen mentioned on ILM

omar little, Thursday, 19 April 2018 16:02 (one year ago) link

wait is this on the album too?

omar little, Thursday, 19 April 2018 16:03 (one year ago) link

Ubala is really excellent, one of his best though it's not on the album

ufo, Thursday, 19 April 2018 16:04 (one year ago) link

never mind it's on a mix he put out with the same name:

omar little, Thursday, 19 April 2018 16:04 (one year ago) link

album tracklist:
1. With You (feat. Desiree Dawson)
2. Akanamali (feat. Samthing Soweto)
3. Sengimoja
4. Life We Live (feat. Les-Ego & Nontu X)
5. No Stopping Us (feat. S-Tone)
6. Goodbye (feat. DJ Charl & Lelo Kamau)
7. Umalukatane (feat. S-Tone)
8. Sonini (feat. Simmy & Lelo Kamau)
9. Ntaba Ezikude (feat. Simmy)
10. Random
11. The Wave
12. Bamthathile (feat. Mlindo the Vocalist)
13. Yere Faga (feat. Oumou Sangaré) [Sun–El Musician Remix]

ufo, Thursday, 19 April 2018 16:07 (one year ago) link

if there is even 1 song on here that's half as good as sonini then this'll probably be my favorite album of the year

brendon urine (diamonddave85), Thursday, 19 April 2018 16:16 (one year ago) link

super excited for this, but it doesn't seem particularly available yet? (at least in Canada)

rob, Thursday, 19 April 2018 17:40 (one year ago) link

it's out on the 20th digitally (which it is here) but when I posted this thread I thought it had been released digitally a few days ago since it seems to have gotten a surprise physical release then in South Africa

ufo, Thursday, 19 April 2018 23:28 (one year ago) link

Oh, lol, it's in Denmark as well now. I don't think they accounted for summer time.

Frederik B, Friday, 20 April 2018 00:15 (one year ago) link

excited to hear this! "akanamali" is still achingly beautiful

dyl, Friday, 20 April 2018 03:16 (one year ago) link

I really love the interplay between the scatting vocals and the brass on Sengimoja

ufo, Friday, 20 April 2018 05:10 (one year ago) link

this album is exactly what i could've hoped for, about an hour of songs that scratch the same itch as akanamali

bhad gon' hurt your bhack (voodoo chili), Friday, 20 April 2018 23:23 (one year ago) link

been looking forward to this, haven't heard it yet

Dan S, Friday, 20 April 2018 23:49 (one year ago) link

really quite impressed on first listen. the back half might be my favorite, with the two purely instrumental cuts toward the end being big highlights, "the wave" in particular.

"akanamali" really deserved to conquer the world. as much as i hate to keep singling it out for praise, it deserves all of it and more.

dyl, Saturday, 21 April 2018 02:50 (one year ago) link

for whatever reason the follow-up single to "akanamali", "bamthathile", has not clicked with me tho

dyl, Saturday, 21 April 2018 02:52 (one year ago) link

oh man i love bamthathile. loving this so far

Heez, Saturday, 21 April 2018 03:03 (one year ago) link

This is great.

Tim F, Sunday, 22 April 2018 01:30 (one year ago) link

good timing for summer around the corner

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Sunday, 22 April 2018 05:15 (one year ago) link

what a good album

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Sunday, 22 April 2018 13:45 (one year ago) link

god bless a record that goes out of its way to make me feel like i'm on a boat

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Sunday, 22 April 2018 13:51 (one year ago) link

aw :)

Yeah, this album is really good.

Frederik B, Sunday, 22 April 2018 15:53 (one year ago) link

Hate to make this comparison, but some of this sounds like an Innervisions release or something I expect Dixon to be remixing.

But yeah, enjoying this a lot anyway.

MikoMcha, Monday, 23 April 2018 08:45 (one year ago) link

Haha yeah I remember Culoe de Song’s early stuff sounded a lot like this.

Tim F, Monday, 23 April 2018 08:58 (one year ago) link

Nothing off this has stood out as much as Akanamali, which is a one-in-a-million amazing song, but it's neat so far.

brand new universal harvester (dog latin), Monday, 23 April 2018 13:29 (one year ago) link

If you ever get to go on a sunset drive down the motorway, whack that song tout-de-suite

brand new universal harvester (dog latin), Monday, 23 April 2018 13:30 (one year ago) link

this is amazing

Nourry, Monday, 23 April 2018 22:17 (one year ago) link

Okay so I still think Akanamali is a unique piece of work that towers over p much everything here. About 50% of the rest of this sounds like passable vocal house and doesn't really interest me. I definitely prefer the stuff that's more obviously African/South African styling but I need to listen a few more times.

brand new universal harvester (dog latin), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 08:46 (one year ago) link

It may be classic vocal house, but I like its light-luminous-breezy character so imo it compares favorably to classic house (a genre I've only brushed admittedly). Akanamali will likely remain the crowd favorite, but the rest is really consistent and agreeable, with some glorious layers and a great sense of melody. I haven't bought a CD in ages, but I'd buy this to play it in the car yeah. Impressive debut.

Nabozo, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 10:45 (one year ago) link

I'll say it's a bit unfortunate to open with With You given some of the tracks that follow, it'd have made more sense to have Simmy instead of the American accent of that Canadian chick. I'm also questioning it because the latter part of the album (from Sonini to Bamthathile) sounds so strong to me, though I can't complain about Akanamali - No Stopping Us - Goodbye.

Nabozo, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 11:05 (one year ago) link

If you like Akanamali, this one is for sure the closest

Nabozo, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 11:29 (one year ago) link

I'm kinda addicted to 'Sengimoja' and 'Goodbye'.

Nourry, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 11:49 (one year ago) link

Nabozo OTM. With You is kind of hedging its bets, but overall it's a pleasant (sometimes erring on the safe/generic side) listen. The last part of the album is much more like it as far as I care so far. This'll make great BBQ music whatever happens

brand new universal harvester (dog latin), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 14:13 (one year ago) link

With You is one of the weaker tracks but it's still nice for the vocal loop that comes in at the end.

ufo, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 14:21 (one year ago) link

Sengimoja is the one.

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 19:18 (one year ago) link

I was listening to Sonsini and thinking how amazing it would be to be dancing to this song at sunrise and then the soft rock guitar came in and just slayed me. That one might actually be better than Akanamali.

The rest of this album = let vibes be unconfined.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 08:03 (one year ago) link

Sonini slightly reminds me of Time is Over (for sheer technoish sky-suspended brilliance). Qamata sonini.

Nabozo, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 12:20 (one year ago) link

Okay I listened to the whole album twice while driving this morning and it's really growing on me. Still not a big fan of the first track but the rest is wonderful. Definitely great in the right context

brand new universal harvester (dog latin), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 14:08 (one year ago) link

since I rinsed Akanamali last year, I find starting on track 3 works really well

rob, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 14:27 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

Testing the waters with the Sun-El fandom: I posted this slightly trippy SA gem on the Afropop thread, but over there no one’s biting.

Zinaro ft. JB (of Thee Legacy) & Dust, “Dali Wami”

breastcrawl, Thursday, 10 May 2018 10:51 (one year ago) link

As for the S-EM album, “No Stopping Us”, which didn’t do much for me when it dropped in February alongside “Bamthathile”, really shines in the album context. It wears its generic Robin Schulziness extremely well.

breastcrawl, Thursday, 10 May 2018 10:52 (one year ago) link

Every English-language voice on this is kind of unwelcome even when the music is amazing - that first track is a case in point, when she drifts into the background and the vocal loops come in it's completely sublime but before that nah.

Matt DC, Thursday, 10 May 2018 11:38 (one year ago) link

Agree on “With You” (but it’s as much the melody and the vocal itself as the English) and maybe “Life We Live”, but I’m fine with the English on “No Stopping Us” and “Goodbye”. NSU feels to me like an open invitation to play Janelle’s “Screwed” next.

breastcrawl, Thursday, 10 May 2018 12:18 (one year ago) link

is there a way of buying this album without having to go via iTunes? I don't want a stupid iTunes format file, I want an MP3 or pref a FLAC/WAV?

Hire Planes (dog latin), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 22:23 (one year ago) link

I don't know if it's available digitally in FLAC/WAV anywhere but Google Play has it in 320 mp3

ufo, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 23:06 (one year ago) link

“Sonini”, the track with Simmy and Lelo Kamau, is the new single and has a video to go with it:

breastcrawl, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 21:57 (one year ago) link

i think that's my second favourite after Akanamali

Hire Planes (dog latin), Thursday, 24 May 2018 08:20 (one year ago) link

The entire run from Sonini to the end is absolutely faultless and glorious.

Matt DC, Thursday, 24 May 2018 10:09 (one year ago) link

i'm looking forward to this being my sunny road trip album this summer

dyl, Saturday, 26 May 2018 18:30 (one year ago) link

Aight, let’s move the amapiano stuff to the rolling afro thread then!

― human and working on getting beer (longneck), maandag 17 februari 2020 21:05

Not sure if you're joking, I meant to say that I look at it on a track-to-track basis. Amapiano of the "Akulaleki" kind is at home here, but "Labantwana Ama Uber"s aren't. And Sha Sha's "Water" isn't amapiano to begin with, nor is it Sun-El'ly, but it's definitely afroboppy.

In short, this thread -imvho- is a thread for Beauties; Bops and Bangers belong elsewhere.

breastcrawl, Monday, 17 February 2020 20:22 (one month ago) link

just a rule of thumb, nothing set in stone, pinch of salt, et cetera.

breastcrawl, Monday, 17 February 2020 20:27 (one month ago) link

Only half-joking, I’m afraid. I do find the division between beauties and bangers to be somewhat... academic? I mean, these tracks mix well enough and belong to adjacent subgenres and sometimes even to the same genre. So maybe just maybe we need a SA thread? Or a dedicated Amapiano thread? Idk.

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Monday, 17 February 2020 20:30 (one month ago) link

Not sure about academic, but I’m aware it’s not at all clear-cut and a bit arbitrary. Still, and very still, I’d argue that this particular thread (which wasn’t even started by me, so who am I to talk) has kept a remarkably unified musical feel over the years. It’s never become a catch-all thread for SA music, people seem to know what fits and what doesn’t and seem to appreciate it all the more for it - and that’s the beauty of it (pun pretty much intended). I’m thinking it should stay that way?

And yeah, it’s kinda ironic. I was quite resistant towards balkanising the Rolling thread for the longest time and now here I am splitting hairs about differences within genres from one country.

The thing is tho, most of these threads start almost organically, and while a Rolling SA thread would be very nice in principle, we already have this thread and the BAYC? one doing what they’re doing and/or ready to be repurposed.

I do definitely want to start a dedicated thread for “eMcimbini” tho lol!

(and in case this was somehow misunderstood, afaic “Friends With Benefits” feels right at home on this here Sun-El thread)

breastcrawl, Monday, 17 February 2020 21:21 (one month ago) link

Let’s start an emcimbini thread, then! We can put all of the Kabza stuff in there AND lobby for it as song of the year in time for the next poll. Win win! Lol

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 10:38 (one month ago) link

piano! piano!

||||||||, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 11:21 (one month ago) link

have something in the works, should be up this evening


breastcrawl, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 13:02 (one month ago) link

Claudio x Kenza are signed to Sun-El’s label. They’re producers in their own right, but this track from their upcoming album seems to have the Sun-El touch:
Claudio x Kenza ft. Mpumi • Yasha Imizi

breastcrawl, Saturday, 22 February 2020 22:04 (one month ago) link

it warms my heart in these days of Simmy shortage

breastcrawl, Saturday, 22 February 2020 22:33 (one month ago) link

This is mind-blowing stuff:
The Scientists DJ ft. Aymos • Imphumelelo

(The artwork just says "The Scientists" btw - Aymos is the OTHER voice on "Emcimbini")

The Amapiano Remix is its own spectacular thing:

breastcrawl, Saturday, 22 February 2020 23:06 (one month ago) link

breastcrawl, Saturday, 22 February 2020 23:06 (one month ago) link

yasha imizi is a sugar cloud

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 23 February 2020 15:15 (one month ago) link

Sorry (not sorry) for spamming these threads with Aymos material (see the 🎹thread🎹), but he’s on some really good tracks:
DJ C-Live ft. Aymos & Gobi Beast • Potential

breastcrawl, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 18:23 (one month ago) link

Made a pseudo-pan-African-pop/not-pop playlist for the rolling afro 2020 thread and all Afro-adjacent threads, generously defined. It’s already 105 tracks deep, so enjoy!

ILM rolling ✳️all-inclusive✳️ afro 2020

breastcrawl, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 21:38 (one month ago) link

The Claudio x Kenza album is out, featuring actual Simmy vibes on “Ziyon”:

breastcrawl, Friday, 28 February 2020 07:13 (one month ago) link

dang, i will be getting that album now.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 28 February 2020 17:30 (one month ago) link

Posted about Mhaw Keys’s fantastic The Outcast EP on the “Baby Are You Coming?” thread - deeep amapiano house.

But in a surprising twist, Kabza is on the only non-piano track (with Sha Sha):
Mhaw Keys ft. Kabza De Small, Howard & Sha Sha • Lebala Kanna

breastcrawl, Sunday, 1 March 2020 16:39 (one month ago) link

i'm amazed i still haven't listen to the sha sha ep, i ought to fix that asap

dyl, Monday, 2 March 2020 05:52 (one month ago) link

A new Mlindo song - it's been a while:

Mlindo The Vocalist ft. Masiano & Vusi Nova • Yekela

breastcrawl, Saturday, 7 March 2020 13:13 (one month ago) link

that's an odd one.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 9 March 2020 04:15 (one month ago) link

in what say?

breastcrawl, Monday, 9 March 2020 22:34 (one month ago) link


breastcrawl, Monday, 9 March 2020 22:34 (one month ago) link

Feels self-consciously folksy and radio friendly. also, not very good?

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 9 March 2020 22:47 (one month ago) link

Sha Sha live:

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Saturday, 14 March 2020 15:28 (three weeks ago) link

just for the vibes

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Saturday, 14 March 2020 15:33 (three weeks ago) link

any and all vibes much appreciated at this time

rob, Saturday, 14 March 2020 15:44 (three weeks ago) link

Two current favourites:

DJ Ex ft. Imasterz & Freeza Beats • Yini:

Donald ft. Mvzzle • Black Love:

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Sunday, 22 March 2020 16:25 (two weeks ago) link

King Monada ft. Madumane, Kabza De Small & Sha Sha • Lerato Fela

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 22:22 (two weeks ago) link

some good news:

San’bonani! Hope your’ll safe & ready for my new single Ngihamba Nawe feat. Sino Msolo coming this Friday! 🌻☺️ #NgihambaNawe #StaySafe

— Simmy (@simmymusicsa) March 25, 2020

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Thursday, 26 March 2020 22:16 (two weeks ago) link

Simmy ft. Sino Msolo • Ngihamba Nawe

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Friday, 27 March 2020 08:18 (one week ago) link

need to catch up on this and the general afro thread but the new simmy track is lovely. about 90 seconds in when it really fills up is wonderful

ufo, Friday, 27 March 2020 09:44 (one week ago) link


brechtian social distancing (Simon H.), Friday, 27 March 2020 10:15 (one week ago) link

that's really lovely

rob, Friday, 27 March 2020 12:55 (one week ago) link

I don't remember which thread had Prince Kaybee's "Uwrongo" on it, but that is also sounding balm-like this morning

rob, Friday, 27 March 2020 13:04 (one week ago) link

so much of this music has that effect!

have you tried the DJ Neptizzle Amapiano Mix that longneck posted on the “Emcimbini” thread?

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Friday, 27 March 2020 13:10 (one week ago) link

not yet, but I will right now :)

rob, Friday, 27 March 2020 13:14 (one week ago) link

Liking this, and I missed the "Uwrongo" recommendation initially so thanks for that Rob!

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 27 March 2020 16:11 (one week ago) link

uwrongo is the fuckin' jam

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 27 March 2020 17:07 (one week ago) link

some kind of wonderful:
Mobi Dixon & NaakMusiQ ft. Nichume & Blomzit Avenue • Camagu

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 20:03 (one week ago) link

well holy crap, is this good enough to make me cry

ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 20:13 (one week ago) link

who's the 1st guy singing? killed it

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 20:32 (one week ago) link

That would be NaakMusiQ.

It’s an unfortunate choice of words though (not that you would have known), as the female singer on this, Nichume, committed suicide a year ago. I had heard about it, but didn’t realize it was her on this track until just now.

(to make matters worse, Mobi Dixon’s treatment of her -he was her label boss- apparently was a factor in this. damn, I wish I hadn’t known)

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 21:20 (one week ago) link

ugggggghhh. Thanks for the info tho.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 21:29 (one week ago) link

so there's a "Mzansi House" playlist on Apple Music that seems to be all this sort of stuff. Is that just their name for the playlist or is that a recognized genre name?

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 21:32 (one week ago) link

"Mzansi" stands for South Africa.

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 21:35 (one week ago) link

to quote a Wikipedia quote:

"Mzansi is another black urban vernacular term popular with the youth and standing for South Africa."

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 21:40 (one week ago) link

thanks again! (I did do a brief google and only saw that it was an obsolete term for someone who yells)

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 22:04 (one week ago) link

DJ Mdix ft. Mpumi • Ngiyazfunela:

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Friday, 3 April 2020 23:06 (six days ago) link

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