Great albums with terrible last songs

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Apologies if this has been done before, I did a search and couldn't find anything. What are some albums that are great all the way through and then have a stinker of a song at the end that you don't bother listening to?

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 07:23 (five months ago) Permalink

I thought we had as well. Protection was a notable entry

loud horn beeping jazzsplaining arse (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 08:02 (five months ago) Permalink

Me likewise, but I too can't find it.

Anyway, Dire Straits' Making Movies wins this thread.

Lee626, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 08:40 (five months ago) Permalink

Gilded Palace of Sin

glumdalclitch, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 08:48 (five months ago) Permalink

Moving Pictures, kind of.

We're comin' to your town, we'll party down, we're a Kobaian band (Matt #2), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 09:04 (five months ago) Permalink

New Skin for the Old Ceremony

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 09:09 (five months ago) Permalink

I thought we had as well. Protection was a notable entry

― loud horn beeping jazzsplaining arse (dog latin)

The live Doors cover? I don't think of that as part of the album.

chap, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 09:23 (five months ago) Permalink

Piper at the Gates of Dawn (UK version) ends with 'Bike', which I find somewhat in-your-face annoying and not a very good album closer.

Valentijn, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 09:34 (five months ago) Permalink

You crazy.

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 09:36 (five months ago) Permalink

Les Boys is the only Dire Straits song I like

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 09:39 (five months ago) Permalink

The Beach Boys 'Today'

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 09:40 (five months ago) Permalink

Piper at the Gates of Dawn (UK version) ends with 'Bike', which I find somewhat in-your-face annoying and not a very good album closer.

― Valentijn, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 09:34 (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

close thread

imago, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 09:40 (five months ago) Permalink

da capo springs to mind for me, but it's been a long old time since i listened to revelation so maybe it's just me

i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 09:42 (five months ago) Permalink

Three that spring to mind:

You're Living All Over Me

The Notorius Byrd Brothers

Fun House

Agree with The Gided Palace of Sin, Hippy Boy is a bit of a stinker!

yugi ex, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 10:38 (five months ago) Permalink

Beach Boys - Friends

brand new universal harvester (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 10:41 (five months ago) Permalink

"Remain In Light" for me. Not that the Overload is bad, it clearly isn't. It just doesn't fit the mood of the record to have a big drawn out downer drone at the end.

thomasintrouble, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 10:45 (five months ago) Permalink

yeah not my fave

brand new universal harvester (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 10:53 (five months ago) Permalink

Signals - "Countdown" promises an epic closer but the tune never really gets going

Master of Treacle, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 11:14 (five months ago) Permalink

Most albums where I feel this way, it's bonus tracks. Love vs Money for example, Kelly's 12 Play is the perfect logical way to end that album, and then a second later Let Me See the Booty ruins it.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 11:34 (five months ago) Permalink

people seem to say that about "The Overload" a lot but idgi, if anything "Once in a Lifetime" is the sticky out track to me, it's not an album of party jams

vermicious kid (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 11:36 (five months ago) Permalink

not that "OiaL" is a party jam either but you get my point

vermicious kid (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 11:37 (five months ago) Permalink

"Listening Wind" into "Overload" fits fine, texturally and moodwise

vermicious kid (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 11:38 (five months ago) Permalink

Lilys - A Brief History Of Amazing Letdowns

Evan, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 11:43 (five months ago) Permalink

Daydream Nation. I hate 'Eliminator Jr.'

ArchCarrier, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 11:51 (five months ago) Permalink

The Soft Machine (first LP) is the closest thing I can think of to a perfect album, but the last track "Box 25/4 Lid" is just 49 seconds of nothing much going on, it doesn't ruin it but if they deleted it nobody would care.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 11:58 (five months ago) Permalink

Damn, Vital Signs, Countdown, and Bike are all jams. Y'all cray.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 12:08 (five months ago) Permalink

Noodle Vague, how is RiL not a party album when it's got Crosseyed & Painless on it?

brand new universal harvester (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 12:16 (five months ago) Permalink

Three comments against mine, but I don't know, when I listen to Piper I'm really eager to hear all of that psychedelic wonderful greatness of Interstellar Overdrive, Astronomy Domine, Flaming, Lucifer Sam... anything really, but Bike sounds so different to me. Do people really think of it as just as good as all those other album tracks/a standout/a Pink Floyd classic/fitting in well with the album?

Valentijn, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 12:21 (five months ago) Permalink

Yes. You actually think "Take Up They Stethoscope" is better?

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 12:23 (five months ago) Permalink

how is RiL not a party album when it's got Crosseyed & Painless on it?

well for one thing David Byrne is singing on it

vermicious kid (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 12:29 (five months ago) Permalink

put listening wind on and dance to it. feels slinky, right? then dance to the overload. Now you're doing the zombie shuffle. Thats why it doesn't work.

thomasintrouble, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 12:32 (five months ago) Permalink

THREAD WINNER.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iisYw0epV_Q

yes Joni, definitely end your best album and one of the best albums of all time with a guest spot from Cheech & Chong

jamiesummerz, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 12:33 (five months ago) Permalink

weirdly, that was the first song i got into the first time i heard Court & Spark (and Joni in general) but the joke wore thin by like the second go round

brand new universal harvester (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 12:36 (five months ago) Permalink

i hear RiL as paranoid and twitchy and bummed and "The Overload" as its logical conclusion, the overload, the comedown

vermicious kid (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 12:36 (five months ago) Permalink

"Soul Survivor" feels sort of like an afterthought at the end of Exile On Main Street

nicky lo-fi, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 12:42 (five months ago) Permalink

I used to think so too, but the drumming! the riff!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 12:44 (five months ago) Permalink

yeah no way, "soul survivor rips," less afterthought than condensed culmination. "it's gonna be the death of me" always gives me chills

lowercase (eric), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 12:47 (five months ago) Permalink

shift quotation mark one word to the left

lowercase (eric), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 12:47 (five months ago) Permalink

New York I Love You, But You're Bringing Me Down

frogbs, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 12:48 (five months ago) Permalink

"Compton" is the only song I don't like on Good Kid Maad City, sticks out like a sore thumb

Vinnie, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 12:52 (five months ago) Permalink

Yes. You actually think "Take Up They Stethoscope" is better?

Um... no, indeed, that one isn't great. I do notice more of a contrast with Bike in regards to the rest of the album though (Stethoscope is also shorter and sounds more like a filler to me). And I definitely wouldn't rank it alongside all those tracks that truly stand out to me. Do you?

Valentijn, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 13:01 (five months ago) Permalink

Aladdin Sane ends with Lady Grinning Soul, which is not a good song.

And maybe the quintessential example, Neil Young and Crazy Horse’s excellent, overlooked album Broken Arrow ends with a pointless cover of Baby What You Want Me To Do that sounds like it was recorded on a Walkman from the back of a tiny club.

REM’s Document ends with Oddfellows Local 151 which is nobody’s idea of a good song.

kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 13:06 (five months ago) Permalink

"Lady Grinning Soul" is not a good song, it's a great song

you're also fairly wrong about "Oddfellows"

vermicious kid (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 13:08 (five months ago) Permalink

i know ILM is the wrong place to say this but what a wonderful thing consciousness is that it can diverge so wildly between essentially similar creatures

vermicious kid (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 13:11 (five months ago) Permalink

After "Bike" I'm expecting someone to come along and post "After Hours" from The Velvet Underground.

Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 13:12 (five months ago) Permalink

yeah but this is still the wrongest thing in the thread

how is RiL not a party album when it's got Crosseyed & Painless on it?

well for one thing David Byrne is singing on it

― vermicious kid (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, April 10, 2018 7:29 AM (forty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

stormzy daniels (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 13:17 (five months ago) Permalink

'Soul Survivor' makes perfect sense as a closer. It's a new beginning after an hour spent wading in delicious muck. Whether it's believable or not is another matter.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 13:19 (five months ago) Permalink

I was almost going to include Court and Spark too, but didn't because while I don't find the lightweight, jokey, "Twisted" to be an appropriate album closer, it's not *that* awful a song; it may have gone unnoticed if the other tracks weren't so great. I disqualified The Beach Boys Today because "Bull Session with the Big Daddy" isn't a song, and "In the Back of my Mind" is an excellent album closer. Ending Friends with "Transcendental Meditation" is a headscratcher though given that "I Went to Sleep" was recorded during the same sessions and would have closed the album perfectly.

"Bike" is a fine closer for Piper IMO.

Lee626, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 13:21 (five months ago) Permalink

As for 'Bike', I hated it at first but I was still wrapping my mind around Barrett-era Floyd at the time. Can't imagine the album without it at this point, thanks to the tape loop in particular.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 13:21 (five months ago) Permalink

dunno if I'd call it terrible but I've always found "Equator" on Kimono My House to be pretty obnoxious

frogbs, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 13:24 (five months ago) Permalink

seems like if you like zany sing song whimsy like "Lucifer Sam" or "The Gnome" then "Bike" isn't really far off. idgi maybe there are Syd fans that are "Vegetable Man was a little too far, dude should've reigned it in" but personally anytime i hear a new Syd track no matter how shambolic im like please sir i'd like some more

― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau)

Ha this are my 3 favorite songs from Piper. My favorite Syd Barrett song is See Emily Play though... whoever decided to leave it out of piper made the wrong choice.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 12 April 2018 13:12 (five months ago) Permalink

Is Hot Rats really considered more accessible than Freak Out? Freak Out is the only Zappa album I've heard that I like. Hot Rats was just endless noodling.

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 12 April 2018 13:13 (five months ago) Permalink

depends who you ask I guess. I don't think people are really coming to Zappa for 'accessibility', if you wanted that then you'd be better off with, I dunno, Over-nite Sensation or something. I think it's accessible in that it doesn't do anything to turn the listener off.

frogbs, Thursday, 12 April 2018 13:18 (five months ago) Permalink

xp to self I suppose Absolutely Free is OK and I like My Guitar Wants To Kill Your Mama off Weasels Ripped My Flesh, but that's about it.

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 12 April 2018 13:22 (five months ago) Permalink

Ha this are my 3 favorite songs from Piper. My favorite Syd Barrett song is See Emily Play though... whoever decided to leave it out of piper made the wrong choice.

― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, April 12, 2018 9:12 AM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The original US version had See Emily Play on it. It was apparently considered bad form in the UK at the time to put hit singles on your album, whereas in the US it was expected that a new album would have the current single(s) on it, with the presence of hit singles used to promote albums. I like "Emily" as well as "Arnold Layne" and "Apples and Oranges" better than anything on Piper.

Lee626, Thursday, 12 April 2018 13:30 (five months ago) Permalink

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It’s funny ‘cuz I like a lot of stuff that seems “Zappa adjacent,” both in style and approach... I read about Zappa music, and it sounds like something I would like... but then when I listen to it, I’m basically “Oh HELL no....”

I gave “Freak Out” a good chance, and I thought I might dig the all-guitar album (I like good playing...)

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Thursday, 12 April 2018 13:32 (five months ago) Permalink

when I started listening to Zappa I found Hot Rats to be one of the more accessible albums mainly because it has no Frank Zappa vocals or comedy monologues on it

soref, Thursday, 12 April 2018 13:36 (five months ago) Permalink

A common reason given for liking certain Zappa albums. Personally, I find those the instrumental jazz-rock of Zappa dull as ditchwater.

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 April 2018 13:38 (five months ago) Permalink

those instrumental jazz-rock albums. Jesus, my typing.

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 April 2018 13:39 (five months ago) Permalink

Hot Rats has the massive advantage of Beefheart singing on the only track w/ lyrics.

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 12 April 2018 13:43 (five months ago) Permalink

yea that was kind of my experience with him too. the first one I got was Sheik Yerbouti (it was the only one the store had) and when "Broken Hearts are For Assholes" came on my jaw hit the floor. like, seriously, this is the guy who a bunch of hardcore prog-heads say is the greatest ever? that wasn't actually a turn-off, I thought it was kinda fascinating, even though I really wished that the dude who was often praised for his sense of humor was actually *funny* and not just crass. he's like a middle schooler who thinks "put it in your ASS!!!" is the funniest thing ever.

later I came to realize that this was basically his entire shtick. as though the pinnacle of artistic achievement was drawing a big ol' dick on the Mona Lisa. the early days were full of whining about "awww they won't let me say FUCK on a record!" and then when his style of crassness was no longer considered "shocking" (was it back then?) he became even more bitter and desperate. the last straw for me was "Jumbo Go Away" on You Are What You Is (which I'd heard was his best 80's record), even my 17-year old idiot edgelord self thought it was too needlessly cruel and hateful. it singlehandedly made me afraid of getting old.

I guess this is a bit OT

frogbs, Thursday, 12 April 2018 13:43 (five months ago) Permalink

It feels to me like maybe he doesn’t actually like rock ’n’ roll, and is only using it strategically/sarcastically (but maybe that’s not accurate or fair).

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Thursday, 12 April 2018 13:43 (five months ago) Permalink

nah he loves rock n roll. listen to Crusin With Ruben and the Jets.

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 12 April 2018 14:02 (five months ago) Permalink

Imagos post was a joke right

Droni Mitchell (Ross), Thursday, 12 April 2018 14:14 (five months ago) Permalink

;)

Zappa is weird and freaky in an incredibly irritating way. He's obviously a cunt - fine - but his music is just the worst kind of fucking around. It has a really vile energy. Whenever Cardiacs get compared to him it makes me literally puke. I'm puking right now

Also I've thought of another example, kind of! The Mars Volta's album Frances The Mute is properly amazing right up until the half-hour closing track, of which maybe eight minutes are required

imago, Thursday, 12 April 2018 14:18 (five months ago) Permalink

if you don't like Bike, you hate life

brand new universal harvester (dog latin), Thursday, 12 April 2018 14:28 (five months ago) Permalink

I don't know why, I call him Gerald

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 12 April 2018 14:29 (five months ago) Permalink

Bike is life, alright!

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 12 April 2018 14:30 (five months ago) Permalink

Also I've thought of another example, kind of! The Mars Volta's album Frances The Mute is properly amazing right up until the half-hour closing track, of which maybe eight minutes are required

― imago, Thursday, April 12, 2018 7:18 AM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ok sure but like... idk, the hook for "cassandra gemini" is the best hook of their discography. when they get back around to it after 15 minutes of whatever it's so awesome that i don't care how long it is

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 12 April 2018 14:31 (five months ago) Permalink

That's fair

imago, Thursday, 12 April 2018 14:33 (five months ago) Permalink

OK listening to CG and it hasn't gotten dull yet after like 15 minutes, maybe I've misjudged it

imago, Thursday, 12 April 2018 14:47 (five months ago) Permalink

Oh no wait here's the bit they should have cut haha

imago, Thursday, 12 April 2018 14:48 (five months ago) Permalink

nah he loves rock n roll. listen to Crusin With Ruben and the Jets.

I'm 2/3 into this, and not hating it! He clearly does have a real affinity for '50s R'n'R and doo-wop.

I feel like I'd rather listen to "the real thing" -- or the Lou Reed songs where he goes deep into those styles and creates something new -- than this album, which feels like sort of a "genre exercise"; but I concede it's my first time thru and I'm just listening on the computer.

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Thursday, 12 April 2018 17:33 (five months ago) Permalink

Cruising is such an anomaly in his catalogue - it's weirdly earnest, you don't get the sense he's just mocking it the way you do with all those hard-rock 70s records. He never did another record quite like it.

frogbs, Thursday, 12 April 2018 17:53 (five months ago) Permalink

Weasels ripped my flesh is wonderful morris

Droni Mitchell (Ross), Thursday, 12 April 2018 18:13 (five months ago) Permalink

Check out directly from my heart to you

Droni Mitchell (Ross), Thursday, 12 April 2018 18:14 (five months ago) Permalink

Thanks, will dial that up next!

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Thursday, 12 April 2018 18:14 (five months ago) Permalink

Why are you bothering with Zappa, so much better stuff to listen to out there? There is quite a bit of mocking going on on "Cruising With Ruben & the Jets" btw.

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 April 2018 18:16 (five months ago) Permalink

Though the main problem with "Cruising With Ruben & the Jets" is it sounds like Zappa spent about 5 minutes on the arrangements and 30 minutes on the recording.

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 April 2018 18:18 (five months ago) Permalink

Eh, I've got Spotify and nothing but time while I work...

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Thursday, 12 April 2018 18:22 (five months ago) Permalink

There is quite a bit of mocking going on on "Cruising With Ruben & the Jets" btw

it was made when all the serious rock bands were doing "back to the basics" and ripping off blues records. those are the targets of the mockery, not the doo wop itself (which is a style he has played his entire career)

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 12 April 2018 18:29 (five months ago) Permalink

anyways theres a lot of mockery in rock. Bob Dylan's entire career is built on sneering at conventions.

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 12 April 2018 18:31 (five months ago) Permalink

it was made when all the serious rock bands were doing "back to the basics" and ripping off blues records. those are the targets of the mockery, not the doo wop itself (which is a style he has played his entire career)

That's a bizarre theory, I must say. The lyrics of doo wop songs are definitely mocked and played for laughs by Zappa. Not all of the album is even doo wop anyway!

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 April 2018 18:38 (five months ago) Permalink

sure like usual there are many layers to the satire. but i don't think "doo wop music/50s rock is stupid" itself was one of the intend takes. like he hates lovey dovey lyrics but loves the music.

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 12 April 2018 18:57 (five months ago) Permalink

well yeah

the fact that you have to unwrap it a bit to figure out what he's making fun is what makes it unique. usually Frank ain't so subtle. (though lol @ Cruising with Ruben & the Jets being "subtle")

frogbs, Thursday, 12 April 2018 19:02 (five months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv6AiaaOOnY

i like "Charva", an early one he did in 1963. same wheelhouse but more Ramones (via singing about sniffing glue)

you can mock something that you like, even have affection for. see also MST3K

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 12 April 2018 19:08 (five months ago) Permalink

Well, I listened to Weasels... I dug the track "Get a Little" (it's too short, in fact!) -- both the lead gtr and bassline are very to my taste. The rest of the LP seems too noodly / chord-changey / listener-antagonistic to jell w/me.

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Thursday, 12 April 2018 19:14 (five months ago) Permalink

"Get a Little" reminds me of the stuff on Plays That Good Old Rock And Roll, the 2002 album my main man Neil Hagerty (& crew)...

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Thursday, 12 April 2018 19:16 (five months ago) Permalink

Weasels gets pretty skronky. It has some good stuff tho.

No energy, only great chaos (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 12 April 2018 19:28 (five months ago) Permalink

I tried and tried with Zappa but he's just fucking terrible

you're my luger not my rifle (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 April 2018 20:43 (five months ago) Permalink

otm

obnoxious pun (ultros ultros-ghali), Thursday, 12 April 2018 20:43 (five months ago) Permalink

decided to relisten to "Jumbo Go Away" just to see if it's as vile as I remember. it's actually much worse, though there is a crazy and brilliant middle section that sounds like the Residents on steroids. then afterwards "Jumbo better get back, or your eye will get black, once I give you a smack", filled by a minute of crying noises. anyway, long story short, I hate Frank Zappa now

frogbs, Thursday, 12 April 2018 20:53 (five months ago) Permalink

Hard to think of a major figure who had such little sense of taste as to how to present his talent attractively

There's legends who alienate and rub fans the wrong way but it's hardly ever done as cheaply and as pointlessly

Master of Treacle, Thursday, 12 April 2018 21:03 (five months ago) Permalink

A Ghost is Born shouldn't end with the Late Greats right after the great Less Than You Think, which was the perfect ending.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 12 April 2018 21:05 (five months ago) Permalink

BIKE IS FUCKING DOPE

brimstead, Thursday, 12 April 2018 21:16 (five months ago) Permalink

I thought I was going to have to vouch hard for “Cassandra Gemini”, but as it is I just want to make the case that an 8-minute funereal jam session is a great final indulgence for a song that’s managed to maintain its energy so well for so long, esp. (as mentioned) when the chorus comes soaring back one last time at the end.

You're all losing so many points on your progress bars (Champiness), Thursday, 12 April 2018 22:27 (five months ago) Permalink

"shut up and play your guitar" is the other zappa album i like, just 3 CDs of guitar solos

brimstead, Thursday, 12 April 2018 22:33 (five months ago) Permalink

Yeah that's one of the ones I owned once. Thought I would dig it! Maybe I'll try dipping back in.

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Thursday, 12 April 2018 22:46 (five months ago) Permalink

probably doesn't count as it's a hidden track but "Hit to Death in the Future Head" has a nearly 30 minute harsh noise loop as a final track. i've never been able to listen to this great album all the way through.

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 12 April 2018 23:28 (five months ago) Permalink

my patience with songwriters who are either unable or unwilling to write a love song grows shorter as i grow older

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Friday, 13 April 2018 00:23 (five months ago) Permalink


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