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where are all those R&B poptimists at anyway? new album 'Amala' is all that & bag of chips

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLiGA_wrNp0

or as jordan called it, 'complexcon ariana grande'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRHHOttkM1A

if anything might bring R|t|C back to us surely its this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D-DWOrefpM

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 08:57 (two years ago) link

What happened to this stupid website

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 15:38 (two years ago) link

sorry i just remembered to check this out hi

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 15:38 (two years ago) link

I feel like i woke up on christmas to news Santa was arrested

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 15:39 (two years ago) link

Lol thanks brad

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 15:39 (two years ago) link

i hope lex is going nuts over this on some parallel universe ilx

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 15:54 (two years ago) link

piano and the swell of backing vocals in "roll with us" are exquisite

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 16:01 (two years ago) link

i think i love "candy" the most though, wow that is great

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 16:03 (two years ago) link

oh shit the album is *out*, brb

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 16:05 (two years ago) link

this is like a maybe more fully realized version of iconika (but less capital-i Interesting)

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 16:16 (two years ago) link

there are definitely fewer velvet curtains parting at the opening of these songs than on the iconika record

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 16:18 (two years ago) link

jesus christ there's a "canon in d" sample on "fancy"

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 16:19 (two years ago) link

She's been pretty popular for awhile now, right (at least in L.A., but her videos have millions of views)? And she produces her own stuff? I remember liking her older stuff with hazier beats much better, but sure, good for her.

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 16:30 (two years ago) link

this is kind of a weird soup of a bunch of different sounds and trends, kiiara trash electro w a sza R&B patina-pop channeled through industry songwriter school that really all sounds like "Motivation" imo

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 16:30 (two years ago) link

i am really loving this record huh

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 16:31 (two years ago) link

also i'm having a hard time describing it to other people but that kinda nails it deej

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 16:31 (two years ago) link

Loving this. 'Game' stood out to me the most on first listen.

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 16:46 (two years ago) link

lol "down low"'s production is so restless

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 17:15 (two years ago) link

down low is maxed out. the bass is pretty punishing throughout this whole alb.

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 17:25 (two years ago) link

this is kind of a weird soup of a bunch of different sounds and trends, kiiara trash electro w a sza R&B patina-pop channeled through industry songwriter school that really all sounds like "Motivation" imo

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), mardi 3 avril 2018 12:30 (fifty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

only listened to a few songs so far, but Anti seems like a big influence...or at least "go to town" sounds to me like someone heard "consideration" and didn't realize it was two different singers. excited to check out the one with Konshens

rob, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 17:33 (two years ago) link

yeah rihanna was the first thing i thought when i fired this up but didnt want to say it lol

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 17:37 (two years ago) link

ha for sure it's probably more notable for someone in this lane to not be influenced by Rihanna

rob, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 17:42 (two years ago) link

Yes anti is such a part of the dna now (tho of course that is a pastiche itself cf “needed me” being even better than the real thing Kehlani)

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 17:46 (two years ago) link

... such a part of the dna now I don’t even notice it, it’s like the air we breathe

(And Kehlani is of course post Rihanna af)

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 17:47 (two years ago) link

the songwriting on this is self-evidently very strong but on my first listen i thought the production was a little too generic in a way that is in line w/ how it's being described here but viewed less positively. some of this stuff reminded me of like... rita ora's early singles.

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 3 April 2018 20:36 (two years ago) link

Pretty sure it's self-produced...from what I remember, her beats used to be more of a focal point than the songs, maybe it's flipped on this?

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 20:41 (two years ago) link

theres a generic-ness sure

i like that about it though, kinda what i mean by trash electro

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 20:42 (two years ago) link

Well this is a lot of fun

Tim F, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 21:12 (two years ago) link

i find myself wishing this was more lush in places... there's something thin and plastic about like "wild beach" or "morning light" or "game" that doesn't quite sell the songs the way they deserve imo (this is a personal prejudice tho)

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 3 April 2018 21:35 (two years ago) link

the first 3 songs are really strong tho

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 3 April 2018 21:35 (two years ago) link

Whole album is strong!

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 12 April 2018 00:48 (two years ago) link

Rita ora comparison offtm

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 12 April 2018 00:50 (two years ago) link

feeling her pg-13 raps, flow on them is kinda nicki but without the OTT nasty punchlines

jeremih vibes on 'roll with us'

flopson, Thursday, 12 April 2018 06:50 (two years ago) link

wish the whole thing had more rapping, first 2 tracks kinda stand out for that. really solid songwriting throughout tho

flopson, Thursday, 12 April 2018 06:53 (two years ago) link

fav songs are:

Casual
Roll With Us
Candy
Wine Pon You
All Nighter
Go To Town

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 13 April 2018 20:12 (two years ago) link

three weeks pass...

i wouldnt be mad at all if Go To Town ended up as song of the summer

Thee Macallan 18 Year, Friday, 4 May 2018 20:46 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

oh wow this is amazing.
sometimes her rapping style remembers me dej loaf? not sure.

Nourry, Friday, 22 June 2018 13:58 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

bitch i'm a cow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXnJqYwebF8

carles danger maus (s.clover), Monday, 13 August 2018 04:32 (one year ago) link

this fucking rules

J0rdan S., Monday, 13 August 2018 04:47 (one year ago) link

lmao that owns

faculty w1fe (silby), Monday, 13 August 2018 05:12 (one year ago) link

my actual late breaking song of the summer

carles danger maus (s.clover), Monday, 13 August 2018 05:28 (one year ago) link

awesome

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 13 August 2018 06:13 (one year ago) link

instant goon canon

InfoWarriors (Spottie), Monday, 13 August 2018 06:30 (one year ago) link

get out of my hay

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 13 August 2018 15:41 (one year ago) link

this is the rightful heir to "lemme smang it" we've always deserved

J0rdan S., Monday, 13 August 2018 20:31 (one year ago) link

lol yup

InfoWarriors (Spottie), Monday, 13 August 2018 20:43 (one year ago) link

got me listening to the album again too. Roll With Us is my new fav.

InfoWarriors (Spottie), Monday, 13 August 2018 20:44 (one year ago) link

not sure this is comparable to lemme smang it feels like apples and oranges to me

ciderpress, Monday, 13 August 2018 20:45 (one year ago) link

Me https://t.co/kOSCAHl7bY

— WATCH "MOOO!" ON YT (@DojaCat) August 13, 2018

InfoWarriors (Spottie), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 03:31 (one year ago) link

"mooo" is not parody but there's a mix of ridiculousness and songcraft as well as a toying w/ rap's slang and conventions in a way that signals a deep immersion and appreciation that reminds me a lot of why i loved "lemme smang it" so much

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 14 August 2018 04:11 (one year ago) link

oh i missed that detail that's really bleak if she's still hanging out with those types

that article is from last year before people actually dug up all this stuff this week including the racist song

ufo, Sunday, 24 May 2020 04:02 (six days ago) link

the stuff has been out there and not really hidden at all for a while it’s just that not enough ppl cared about her until now. that song’s lyrics have been on genius for ages

J0rdan S., Sunday, 24 May 2020 05:37 (six days ago) link

don't let children get raised by the internet

in twelve parts (lamonti), Sunday, 24 May 2020 07:42 (six days ago) link

i didnt realize she was still doing this stuff. thought it was like, i was 14 and too online type thing.

this is p sad

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Sunday, 24 May 2020 09:46 (six days ago) link

I try not to be political... I'm more like, 'I don't give a fuck,'" Doja pushes back, before reminding me that an artist's intention is just as important as external interpretation. "I never think about what I write. I just write whatever the first thing that comes to my mind is."

ppl who "aren't political" almost always have shitty political beliefs

this is another classic dodge (sub "ism" sometimes)

A beat passes before Doja shrugs. "Like, I just love romance and sex," she says. "It's not a very '-ist' album, because there's nothing '-ist' about what I do."

Her self-hatred runs deep. I'm finding this more depressing than anger-inducing.

pomenitul, Sunday, 24 May 2020 17:02 (six days ago) link

yeah perhaps the more apposite tyler comparison is how self-loathing from a complicated identity in a fucked society can sadly have toxic things that come out of it? not sure that insulates anyone from criticism though

Vapor waif (uptown churl), Sunday, 24 May 2020 19:50 (six days ago) link

willing to bet the vast majority of "problematic" entertainers hate themselves at least a little

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Sunday, 24 May 2020 21:03 (six days ago) link

There is something vaguely masochistic about exposing oneself so thoroughly to the outside world, especially when you risk becoming a dehumanized object of worship. Incidentally, I empathize with Black Dresses for backing out before it’s too late (although perhaps ‘before’ is a bit of misnomer here).

pomenitul, Sunday, 24 May 2020 21:12 (six days ago) link

I mean, they're not dead. They can unbreak up whenever they feel like it.

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Sunday, 24 May 2020 21:13 (six days ago) link

yeah perhaps the more apposite tyler comparison is how self-loathing from a complicated identity in a fucked society can sadly have toxic things that come out of it? not sure that insulates anyone from criticism though

― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Sunday, May 24, 2020 3:50 PM (three hours ago)

yeah. btw i don't think she should be insulated from criticism, all criticism of her is warranted. i'm just talking about the idea of her career being over. it's interesting how these things play out -- outside of kpop/BTS, male artists don't really have to deal w/ stan army wars and the sort of attendant social media (and then media) attention/scrutiny that comes out of that culture? don't think doja has a stan army but as a woman in pop she is squarely in the arena where fan bases/social media armies mine any/everything you've ever said/done for #[artist]isover parties. the only one i can think of is shawn mendes and the way his affectations have been pored over and memed ad nauseam in relation to speculation over his sexuality. but like, there's a weeknd song that is basically a celebration of gang rape. i have no idea if it's "better or worse" than doja's offensive song but the amount of scrutiny between those two (just as an example) is not comparable. now doja has the real world element of hanging out in these discord chats or whatever, but one of the central figures in the ovo/xo circle was a human trafficker. maybe both should be cancelled idk but it just feels like what is happening to her rn is not a standard applied to many/any male artists. certainly no rappers to speak of. video surfaced of post malone saying the n-word on camera and the world didn't even stop for a second. it's just not consistent.

J0rdan S., Sunday, 24 May 2020 23:22 (six days ago) link

or think about drake's blackface photo. doja's crimes as it were appear more extensive than drake's but because one came out in the context of a rap beef it's not treated as a piece of offensive material that reflects poorly on the subject -- if anything, it reflected most poorly on the person who revealed it. if doja was in a rap beef & her opponent leaked her offensive song would the world not consider it when weighing her potential cancellation? the standards applied to this stuff are pretty ad hoc

J0rdan S., Sunday, 24 May 2020 23:27 (six days ago) link

Well, Tyler (mentioned earlier) faced significant mainstream pushback/consequences for his lyrics (UK travel ban, etc.). I understand you’re interested in the specific social media dynamic and why certain artists are targeted — but DC’s career doesn’t seem anywhere on its way to being “over” in an actual sense, this is barely even getting mainstream music press. It was trending on Twitter over the weekend for whatever reason, and a few lines addressing it have been added to her Wikipedia page. I guess we’ll see if that escalates or fades.

Inadequate grass (morrisp), Monday, 25 May 2020 00:04 (five days ago) link

i feel a lil weird minimizing her actively hanging w white supremacists tho, thats kind of a beyond the pale sort of situation

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 25 May 2020 06:06 (five days ago) link

the-dream is a multiple time physical abuser, just wrote beyonce's verse for megan the stallion remix. nelly is a multiple time alleged rapist, was just given one of the biggest platforms in music to celebrate his legacy. this stuff pops up on twitter now and again so i'm not saying nobody is talking about it... and doja will probably be fine and have a nice career after this. she doesn't have to go but to her own studio sessions to see a prime example of how forgiving the music industry can be. but i'm willing to bet this will follow her in a way those accusations don't follow those other ppl; and yes hanging out in a 4chan chat is bad, but go read christina milian's interview about what it was like to be married to the-dream. maybe he's on your personal cancel list too i have no idea, but that's not rly my point either.

J0rdan S., Monday, 25 May 2020 06:42 (five days ago) link

doja should do a lot of soul searching and come out w/ some better thoughts on the matter than what she posted on instagram, i just look around at what a whole lot of other artists (men) are allowed to get away with (not saying i'm not complicit, i don't boycott the-dream) and find phrases like "beyond the pale" a little ridiculous. roddy ricch was arrested for hitting his gf and there was no grand reckoning w/ his past when he hit number 1 like three months ago. is roddy ricch beyond the pale? again doja can answer for her actions but the way this stuff plays out is just not equal.

J0rdan S., Monday, 25 May 2020 06:50 (five days ago) link

Her self-hatred runs deep. I'm finding this more depressing than anger-inducing.

― pomenitul, Sunday, May 24, 2020 1:02 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah this seems to have been primarily a self-destructive, compulsive pattern of behavior, or at least it’s been characterized that way. I think that is why she is coming under scorn; it makes people profoundly uncomfortable, the idea of someone seeking out degredation. It’s harder to categorize than other kinds of “bad” behavior that are aimed at hurting others.

treeship., Monday, 25 May 2020 15:29 (five days ago) link

I've been a wee bit concerned at the number of people in the Twittersphere saying she's "not really black" because she's mixed and can pass for white.

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Monday, 25 May 2020 15:33 (five days ago) link

I mean, that’s horrifying, but the reason they’re doing that is they want to make an uncomfortable scenario fit a familiar schema. If she is not black, she can just be a racist, and cancelled. If she is, then you have to start thinking about what actually motivated the benavior, and it’s some bleak psychological territory.

I really feel like “cancelling” is secondary here. I hope this woman finds peace with herself and this is what I hope for everyone.

treeship., Monday, 25 May 2020 15:38 (five days ago) link

Anger toward her is understandable, though, obviously. I’m sure many feel betrayed by this kind of thing. Idk. It’s a minefield.

treeship., Monday, 25 May 2020 15:39 (five days ago) link

otm

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Monday, 25 May 2020 15:40 (five days ago) link

yes

so let's go talk about other stuff now

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 25 May 2020 15:48 (five days ago) link

The Tyler comparison is pretty interesting. Her transgression is primarily formed through the prism of extremely online activity and the loneliness and vulnerability that leads people to such spaces. (Spaces which tragically, can only ever serve to augment loneliness and vulnerability.)

Tyler was never isolated in that way. There of course was vulnerability but the whole odd future thing not only insulated him from pressure to personally inhabit an image (being male also helps with that), but also made it so he never felt compelled to deny the existence of a trauma/argument that he was already in the middle of. Everything he did or said was in the context of his "tribe".

Fair or foul, she and she alone has to own what she put out there. But missing from the broader cultural narrative of diabolical hackers, crass memes and vulgar trolls is how the majority that inhabit chan spaces and are probably lost in the same way that she was. Trying to be a part of something that purports to accept them without forcing them to reckon with their insecurities. Something that allows them to feel "among" and seen without having to countenance the extremely shitty tools and frameworks we expect people to use to figure out who they are.

As for the Dindu song? It doesn't say much of anything. She borrows a fraught signifier but lacked the conviction, will or wit to do anything subversive with it. But again that's consistent with her instinctively noncommittal parsing of identity.

tsrobodo, Monday, 25 May 2020 16:14 (five days ago) link

lots of good points from jordan above, but to d40s point ... i just feel like the contemporary online alt right isn't just a race thing, those dudes are all in on various forms of domination and oppression including misogyny, and seem to have a disturbing cultural cache with musicians these days (see ariel pink and john maus making music for the sympathetic incel documentary just now, danny l harle on million dollar extreme, etc). feels like part of a new front on the US culture war and so while im not saying that makes the litany of gendered violence receipts provided by jordan above any less bad, i guess i am maybe speculating as to why the doja thing might seem worse/different than just "trolling' to some. and in terms of other similarities to various things rotting our minds these days it also seems connected to the trump/kanye thing

Vapor waif (uptown churl), Monday, 25 May 2020 18:59 (five days ago) link

the-dream is a multiple time physical abuser, just wrote beyonce's verse for megan the stallion remix. nelly is a multiple time alleged rapist, was just given one of the biggest platforms in music to celebrate his legacy. this stuff pops up on twitter now and again so i'm not saying nobody is talking about it.

But I can say that as a casual music consumer and not somebody who follows music Twitter neither of these facts are things I knew at all.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 25 May 2020 21:01 (five days ago) link

sure of course. and there's plenty of logical explanations for that beyond the dynamic i'm describing. but it's also illustrative of my point. one of the inherent flaws of the post-me too discourse is that it requires the building of a vast mental dossier of problematic incidents, and it's unrealistic to expect many people -- even those generally interested in discussing the arts -- to keep up. stans can flourish in this environment because when it comes to the news story that is "doja cat responds to being cancelled" the reporting (what doja cat did) is already out there (via the stans, who created the news story in the first place)

J0rdan S., Monday, 25 May 2020 21:14 (five days ago) link

the big thing that frustrated me about this particular incident is that I saw people all over Twitter legitimately asking what Doja did and for details, only to get brush-off responses, like it was this insider knowledge, and you were an asshole if you didn't already know it. It actually took me a while to figure out what the hubbub was about as few people were actually sharing anything helpful about it, or were just sharing the conclusions without sharing any specific details as to what happened.

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Monday, 25 May 2020 21:39 (five days ago) link

Most people don't even know what happened, they're just playing Twitter telephone. The same issue arose with regard to Black Dresses and Kaitlyn Aurelia Smith.

pomenitul, Monday, 25 May 2020 21:43 (five days ago) link

A thing occurred and you must now adopt my take on this scandalous thing except I'm not going to tell you what it is because I myself have no idea.

pomenitul, Monday, 25 May 2020 21:45 (five days ago) link

yeah I get sick of the "I'm not going to spoonfeed you, do your own research" responses

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Monday, 25 May 2020 21:50 (five days ago) link

Twitter telephone is also famous for fucking up news. the day Kobe died, hundreds of tweeters were claiming (with zero corroboration) that he was the pilot of the helicopter and aggressively arguing with people who suggested there was a separate pilot and Kobe was a passenger, and then they went eerily quiet the moment the news confirmed the latter was true.

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Monday, 25 May 2020 21:53 (five days ago) link

Highest paid crisis actor in NBA history iirc.

pomenitul, Monday, 25 May 2020 21:55 (five days ago) link

The thing that’s going to hurt Doja Cat’s longevity isn’t an unearthed 4chan past; it’s not being particularly interesting.

Like, flirting with edgelords 5 years ago is the first thing I’ve seen about her that makes me remember who she is.

(so serious) (DJP), Monday, 25 May 2020 23:01 (five days ago) link

the Tolentino thing seems like a pretty strong case of "twitter telephone"

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 02:34 (four days ago) link

xp her breakout hit was "mooo!" that's something at least

ufo, Tuesday, 26 May 2020 02:46 (four days ago) link

she's apologizing for all of this on instagram live in a shirt that says HENTAI in flames

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 26 May 2020 05:02 (four days ago) link

Where do I get that shirt

silby, Tuesday, 26 May 2020 05:05 (four days ago) link

i wasn't arguing to 'cancel her' jordan lmao im just saying that i think handwaving flirting w white supremacists online is .. not good

esp since as shes showing in this recent video its not like shes been humbled by any of this, im sure shes just seeing it as another in a line of 'all publicity is good publicity' things & im sure she like tons of ppl on 4chan just see it all as a big joke except when they mean it, so its like ... you literally cant 'shame' that out of someone bc they detach from the consequences of their actions (& per tsrobodo probably dont see their actions as ever having much meaningful agency or effect on the world) (the great irony now being that they're represented by a literal no. 1 pop star)

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 07:26 (four days ago) link

im not really mad at doja for this or something, more just unsettled by the way this space operates as a like source of fuckd up brainwashing

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 07:39 (four days ago) link

Based on what I've read, this all seems like pretty fucked up stuff, so i would not seek to take issue with anyone who decided "this artist is no longer for me under any circumstances", but... It does feel to me that at least one fundamental difference between this scandal and the examples j0rds provides above with respect to male artists is not just white supremacy but also... misogyny and domestic violence rarely-if-ever code to the general public as "fake" behaviour (even when/though they are recognised as awful)*, whereas in the particular context of the kind of music doja cat makes, her behaviour is not just merely gross / sad but also can easily be framed as a sign that she is fundamentally a fraud.

Maybe I'm over-keen to make this align with my existing sense that in the current era the historical popular emphasis on judging musical artists by notions of real/fake has just shifted from structural factors to personal politics (e.g. the label you're on is less important than the contents of your twitter feed), but it feels very consistent. Which of course extends well beyond just the way "we" think about music.

I suspect this also plays into doja cat's apparent air of comfort with the blowback: there's almost a hillary clinton-esque "well if i'm gonna be judged regardless I may as well go ahead and get paid to speak to SocGen" air to her insouciance.

*Insert long side-discussion about Chris Brown as the liminal case here.

Tim F, Tuesday, 26 May 2020 07:52 (four days ago) link


the Tolentino thing seems like a pretty strong case of "twitter telephone"

― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Monday, May 25, 2020 10:34 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

not really? "human trafficker" might have been an inflammatory phrase, but tolentino's parents took real advantage of desperate filippino immigrants, coaxing them to america with promises of jobs that didn't always materialize and saddling them with more fees than it was possible to pay.

treeship., Tuesday, 26 May 2020 15:07 (four days ago) link

I was referring to her NY media blue check peers and twitter stans reflexively coming to her defense actually

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 15:16 (four days ago) link

ah.

i mean, i feel that the way it was brought up originally was gross too, as some kind of "gotcha." i don't envy jia tolentino's position. that said, she was dismissive and evasive about the testimony of these immigrants and tried to make it seem like the whole case was fabricated by ICE.

treeship., Tuesday, 26 May 2020 15:23 (four days ago) link

Imagine if twitter existed during 9/11.

...

No, no, stop, don't jump.

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 15:23 (four days ago) link

i don't envy jia tolentino's position. that said, she was dismissive and evasive about the testimony of these immigrants and tried to make it seem like the whole case was fabricated by ICE.

but also she really did not have to say anything at all. was anyone even talking about it before the post

(sorry for continued derail)

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 15:42 (four days ago) link

Saying nothing would probably be the smart course of action in 99% of these cars y

Er..cases

it was cool to see identity politics be weaponized to defend human trafficking, I must say. there are literally no depths that cannot be plumbed in this new, exciting age

COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 16:46 (four days ago) link

xp people were talking about it, simon. someone on reddit uncovered the original news coverage of the case and it was making the rounds on twitter.

treeship., Tuesday, 26 May 2020 18:20 (four days ago) link


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