Number of Good Songs Had By the Smashing Pumkings

Pumkings lol

original run released roughly 150+ songs and they're all good at the very least

better question would be how many songs of theirs are transcendent and manage to show all sides of the band

like what's one song where they show off nearly every side of the band and what they can do?

for me that's "Porcelina of the Vast Oceans." you don't have to listen to all 2 hours of MCIS to hear every spoke of the wheel- it's more or less all there in that one 9 minute song.

thru the eyes of ruby, that one with the guitar solo and maybe half of another one. 2.5 feels right

Can we get a poll option expressing their # good songs as a % of oases # good songs

one poll at a time man

oh 'porcelina of the vast oceans'! that's the .5 I think

I don't think I've ever heard a song by them.

xps lol fuck off is anyone outside of the podcast voice belt of America ever going to a 9 minute smashing pumpkins song for fun or any other reason

Please correct the spelling in the thread title, it's Smashing Pupkins.

Oasis has 1 good song. However they did it like three times, so Oasis with the win.

Oasis Interview vs Smashing Pumpkins Interview however...that would be a tough one.

well the first 2 minutes of Porcelina is a fade-in

can only vote if you confirm that the Pearl Jam song with Cypress Hill on vocals instead of Vedder counts

the correct SP comparison is with Nine Inch Nails, who have at least ten good songs

does pearl jam have good songs?

if you choose that option you'll need to factor that in

hard disagree on NIN having more than 2.5 good songs. i can only think of 2: head like a hole and closer

I do like what I've heard from SP even though Corgan is increasingly the '90s altrock star most likely to turn into Curt Schilling or Scott Baio. and I guess his vocals are what keep me from really digging much deeper.

I was sure I could think of more than two and a half Pumpkins songs I honestly like, but if I'm being honest I'm not so sure. I bet if I listen to the albums I would find a few more I have forgotten about, which yes is maybe Pearl Jam territory. I would certainly much rather see Pearl Jam live or Nine Inch Nails than Smashing Pumpkins.

SP and PJ both have 'a lot' of good songs

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NIN get a half for the redic break down during "Perfect Drug" which otherwise is not a good song

Can we program in a poll where anyone misusing collective "has" to refer gonna bands output gets expelled

Americans, you mean?

Might just retitle the thread so the poll is about a different band every day.

I didn't want to make it about Americans but yes Americans

I think they have the same number of good songs, but PJ earns some sort of extra credit for openers, rock the vote etc
2.5

I do like what I've heard from SP even though Corgan is increasingly the '90s altrock star most likely to turn into Curt Schilling or Scott Baio. and I guess his vocals are what keep me from really digging much deeper.

― omar little, Monday, February 19, 2018 1:14 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i totally get this and hear this a lot from people. and that's why i recommend the gravity demos. though these lean on the heavier side of the band. i'd link the incredible 23 minuet riff collage PASTICHIO MEDLEY but it's not on youtube...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hofsINFuDwk

forgot to mention i recommend those things because they are instrumental

i voted a lot even though i only like some

music is subjective guys idk if u kno

something between 2.5 and 50

love this band

only "1979" so same as PJ I guess

relevant quotation marks lol

i like ‘1969’ until billy opens his mouth

er ‘1979’ obv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcRLp8KmluI

for the record i live in the bible belt & don't listen to podcasts

I came here to say that the only Smashing Pupkings songs I've knowingly heard are "1979", "Bullet With Butterfly Wings", and the rat in a cage song, and that while all three of those songs are bad songs, it doesn't seem fair to judge their entire discography on that basis

but it turns out that "Bullet With Butterfly Songs" is the rat in a cage song, so I voted for "no actual good songs" to punish Billy Corgan for making a fool of me

Cherub Rock is a perfect song you should know that one too

I just pulled it up on youtube but it doesn't ring a bell. aside from the two songs I mentioned (and "Tonight, Tonight", which it turns out I also recognize) it doesn't seem like the Pumpkins got much airplay on the mnstrm rock stations I listened to in the early to mid '00s

At some point I narrowed my necessary Pumpkins down to Rhinocerous, Mayonaise, Soma, and Drown. There are other songs with great riffs in them, but nothing that I listen to on purpose.

I enjoy a much wider swath of PJ's catalog, but don't listen to it as often for some reason?

They have a bunch of dope songs imo, 1979, Ava adore, bullet, they only come out at night, disarm, idk i think they’re generally good if overrated by billy corgan & fans

They have a bunch of dope songs imo, 1979, Ava adore, bullet, they only come out at night, disarm, idk i think they’re generally good if overrated by billy corgan & fans

Ive never liked pearl jam

poll runner please confirm that what i choose is my choice

I voted lol britishes

Is that on Gish or

no gods no pumpkings

mr pumpkins, smash me a pump
make it the pumpkinest that i've ever seen

anyway does anyone else think billy shaving his head was the first sign of his eventual downfall

what are you talking about, its the look that solidified him as the pumpkin king of halloween town

top 10, no particular order

Acting Tips
Seventh Grade
James Dean on Havenhurst
Fifth Grade
Splash Mountain
My Place
Utah
Second Grade
Lindsay
1979

@ imago - you ever heard the live version of Thru the Eyes of Ruby? this would be my favorite Pumpkins song by far if the studio version included the extended coda they always played live '96-'97. it sorta peters out and settles into the mellon collie theme reprise on the album, but live they'd build it back up into this colossus, it's just incredible

coda starts at 5:15, the peak of the entire body of work by the band imo starts at 6:52

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdjIdc9-13U

Number of good songs ever by anyone: 15.75

the best band of their generation, even though corgan is a dreadful lyricist

like charlie brown, I have never seen the great pumkings

(2.5 songs is the right answer - oh, let's say Disarm and 1979 and Cherub Rock - but the real cultural contribution, the one that shall be remembered, is 'you hurt me deeply in my heart')

2.5 is the right answer regardless of any actual reasoning

you 2.5 me deeply in my heart

the best band of their generation, even though corgan is a dreadful lyricist

― ufo, Wednesday, February 21, 2018 1:34 AM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

His lyrics are gloriously ridiculous, just like his singing. Big part of why Melon Collie is their apex.

Pearl Jam are the only band I've seen live to make me weep. I haven't seen Pumpkins live but I'm pretty sure Corgan could also reduce me to tears, albeit for different reasons.

I always cry when the Pumpkins play 'I Dreamed a Dream' live. But boy do I laugh when they play 'Master of the House'.

PO2.5

Number of Good Poll Options Had By the Pearl Cream

Where do you like to listen to #PearlJam?

— Pearl Jam (@PearlJam) February 22, 2018

lmao holy shit @ "at the gym"

hey spin the black circle is a great gym song

don't tickle squatters not fair to

I can provide a Paypal address?

― imago, Tuesday, February 20, 2018 4:17 PM (five days ago)Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Sheez. The good days are well and truly over

(I think you might like "Starla", imago--stoner rock epic the last half of which is fully in thrall to some inexorable vertiginous build)

haha OK, will check out

will check out gratis, even

'Starla' is one of their very best tracks.

hmm this isn't bad at all yeah

it's their Safesurfer, haha

the 5 minute guitar solo that's essentially the second half of Starla was recorded in 1 take at 7am when they were under deadline to deliver a B-side. they really should've done more spontaneous stuff like that in the studio. X.Y.U., Pissant, and Marquis in Spades are the only other SP tracks I can think of that were recorded totally live, vocals and all.

Starla's also the track in which you can hear an ambulance drive by, no?

yes! also on "Soothe" you can hear the early morning buses outside Billy's apartment

I always liked that they kept that in. At the time it felt very PI-y to have done so, b-sides and all, but you are right about the spontaneous approach over all and that that did them a world of good. It's a shame Corgan lost the ability to let it hang loose once in a while.

*cue: 'horses run once in awhile for u*

It's a shame Corgan lost the ability to let it hang loose once in a while.

ha this reminded me that "Shame" from Adore was recorded mostly live, with the vocals at the end overdubbed. Probably some guitars, too. I'm excluding anything (like "For Martha") that was tracked live but without vocals.

Yeah! Adore was probably an exception, in that it's so achingly close the way it's recorded and not polished (Blank Page, Annie Dog etc). Death does that tho.

oh yeah, add Annie-Dog to the list. I think Dusty + Pistol Pete, too, though that might just be an example of a song that didn't change much from the demo and one that wouldn't be on the album if D'arcy hadn't fought for it. Blank Page doesn't really count because the parts were recorded separately. Although the lyrics were written in the studio as he was tracking the piano, and I believe recorded shortly thereafter. Such a sparse track (what else is on there besides the ring-modulated guitars?), and a top 10 pumpkins track for me.

oh yeah, a lot of "To Sheila" is live - guitar & main vox tracked live.

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Show will be timed to minute and will run same set list every night due to production concerns, massive setlist, and need to be A level Broadway type show. We have to prove to the world we can compete at highest level or tour will never get out of America.

https://www.alternativenation.net/smashing-pumpkins-darcy-shares-billy-corgan-guns-n-roses-reunion-offer/

cool man

They will never get out of America

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I saw Smashing Pumpkins at primaverasound a decade ago. It was like watching scarecrows with guitars on stage... even Low gave a more lively performance that night.

Jimmy Chamberlin's drumming was the thing that hooked me in after Gish came out. They had a bunch of tunes that had a cool galloping groove and I really liked that feel (like Siva, I Am One & Bury Me). Did not really become a sustaining fan of the band, but I like that first one and some of their other tunes.

Yeah Gish is the one I love too. Chamberlin is really good, I know Corgan writes mostly everything but I can’t imagine SP being half as famous without those drums.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoG0P0C3geQ

Oooh, this one is even better!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW8ie73w78k

I remember back when Gish came out, I don't remember why I bought it - I was in Philly at the time, in high school, and I think I saw a review of it in Option? Anyway, even back then it was the drums that kept me hooked, and ... maybe everything but the drums that kept me from going back to it that often? I'm not sure I ever owned a copy of Siamese Dream, but if I did it was to listen to his playing on Geek USA.

Pinkpop 1994 Jimmy cam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC8Ky7Lb2Ko

Whoa that view is amazing. Do they have a cam for every band member and do this for all pinkpop performances? I can imagine selling dvds of concerts where you can choose the same concert but sticking to a certain view you want to see instead of cutting to different takes be helpful for learning musicians and hardcore fans.

Btw that flawless-blink and you’ll miss it moment qhen Jimmy changes a broken stick for a new one at the start of minute 30 is fucking pro.

nah just a hero that uploaded one of the cam feeds

Chamberlin put out a jazz album recently that's quite good.

there's some great Genesis videos that are just Collins playing drums that are cool

http://images2.onionstatic.com/clickhole/5203/3/16x9/800.jpg

I had no idea that Corgan was MAGA until this thread pulled me into his sad orbit

Wow that Pinkpop version of Hummer ("minute 30") swings and breathes so much more than the album cut.

I've been making records since 1992 and that fuckin text chain between him and Darcy is some of the most loathsome shit I've ever seen from one musician in a band to another. "Your shoulder needs to heal, so maybe 2-7 songs" "well, the doctor says I'll be completely healed" "right, we don't want you to exceed your comfort level. maybe a very tight guest spot" "good news! I don't need surgery" "cool, we're looking at fucking Peter Hook's son"

I took it as (initially) tacitly acknowledging that she has not played for two decades, is probably not up to a full show let alone a six-month tour, and is possibly lying about an injury as a defense mechanism, and giving her room to set terms with which she'd be comfortable, at which point he would talk concretely about those as the plan. It then falls apart bcz she doesn't really want to do it, and Corgan can't stay focused on not being a sulky tyrant of "vision"for too long.

Peter Hook's kid is a harsh toke... might as well twist the knife all the way and get Wolfgang Van Halen (though to be fair he'd probably say no because his dad would kick him out for moonlighting)