SOME PEOPLE ARE AFRAID ILM IS TURNING INTO THE TVTROPES OF MUSIC, SO HERE'S A CATCH-ALL THREAD WHERE WE CAN DOCUMENT THE THEMATIC/SONIC/COMPOSITIONAL LINKAGES BETWEEN SONGS WITHOUT HAVING TO START A NEW THREAD FOR EACH AND EVERY TROPE THAT POPS INTO OUR HEADS DURING MOMENTS OF DESPERATE BOREDOM
― how to diss a peer completely (unregistered), Monday, 12 February 2018 01:44 (six years ago) link
songs where a woman corresponds with her husband under an assumed identity and arranges a liaison with him as a test of his marital fidelity:
Rupert Holmes - Escape (The Piña Colada Song)Kate Bush - Babooshka
― how to diss a peer completely (unregistered), Monday, 12 February 2018 01:45 (six years ago) link
"some people"
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 12 February 2018 01:45 (six years ago) link
Songs that are not John Cage's 4' 33"
― calstars, Monday, 12 February 2018 02:26 (six years ago) link
Songs in which Instrumentation is or is not used
― calstars, Monday, 12 February 2018 02:27 (six years ago) link
Songs in which the vocalist audibly takes a drag on a cigarette between verses:
Sandy Denny - "No End"
― J. Sam, Monday, 12 February 2018 02:28 (six years ago) link
this would be a good thread to collect all of the disparate 'songs where' threads, cause i can never find any of them.
― hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Monday, 12 February 2018 02:34 (six years ago) link
songs where you can't find what you're looking for
"I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For" - U2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K89RsKaEO7I
― how to diss a peer completely (unregistered), Monday, 12 February 2018 02:41 (six years ago) link
songs written by a non-famous family member of the recording artist:
Grizzly Bear - MarlaThrowing Muses - Sinkhole
― how to diss a peer completely (unregistered), Monday, 12 February 2018 02:46 (six years ago) link
Songs by 90's-era American indie bands about 80's-era British female singers:
Unrest - "Cath Carroll"June & the Exit Wounds - "Cathy Dennis"
― henry s, Monday, 12 February 2018 15:27 (six years ago) link
Songs by 90's-era American indie bands about 80's-era British female singers
Black Tambourine - Throw Aggi Off the Bridge
(about Aggie and Stephen Pastel)
― how to diss a peer completely (unregistered), Monday, 12 February 2018 19:50 (six years ago) link
the plot thickens!
― henry s, Monday, 12 February 2018 20:04 (six years ago) link
songs where the narrator is so miserable that even the sight of children playing fails to cheer his burdened heart:
Rolling Stones - As Tears Go ByPearl Jam - BlackScreaming Trees - Winter Song
― the yolk sustains us, we eat whites for days (unregistered), Sunday, 22 April 2018 22:26 (six years ago) link
Lol
― after party for the apocalypse (Ross), Sunday, 22 April 2018 22:38 (six years ago) link
young girl: hahaha wheeee I love playing in the puddlesMark Lanegan, grunger: HOW CAN YOU BE SO CAREFREE WHEN MY SOUL IS LITERALLY DYING 😢😢😢
― the yolk sustains us, we eat whites for days (unregistered), Sunday, 22 April 2018 22:40 (six years ago) link
songs that in off whacking with which trailer
― j., Sunday, 22 April 2018 23:38 (six years ago) link
lol i have been bumping a lot of these
― flappy bird, Monday, 23 April 2018 00:08 (six years ago) link
songs where the narrator is so miserable that even the sight of children playing fails to cheer his burdened heart
How could you leave off The Chi-lites, Have You Seen Her
― lana del boy (ledge), Monday, 23 April 2018 08:37 (six years ago) link
and Chicago, Make Me Smile
― Lee626, Monday, 23 April 2018 09:16 (six years ago) link
Songs in which, it is not I who is mad, it's you normals!
Elton John - Madman Across the WaterBonzo Dog Band - My Pink Half of the DrainpipeSupertramp - Asylum
― Hideous Lump, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 03:48 (six years ago) link
Songs where the singer is bored of music:
Cat Power - Colors and the Kids
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 04:28 (six years ago) link
songs where a singer expresses disdain for being put on a pedestal as artist
ionnalee- samaritan
― after party for the apocalypse (Ross), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 06:14 (six years ago) link
London CallingDon't Look Back in Anger
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― ad homineminem (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 08:47 (six years ago) link
much better to have a catch-all thread, good job
― niels, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 17:04 (six years ago) link
Eminem - Marshall Mathers
― 808s & Deep States (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 17:16 (six years ago) link
Ani DiFranco - Little Plastic Castle
People talk about my imageLike i come in two dimensionsLike lipstick is a sign of my decling mindLike what i happen to be wearingThe day that someone takes a pictureIs my new statement for all womankindAnd i wish they could see us nowIn leather bras and rubber shortsLike some ridiculous new team uniformFor some ridiculous new sportQuick someone call the girl policeAnd file a report
And i wish they could see us nowIn leather bras and rubber shortsLike some ridiculous new team uniformFor some ridiculous new sportQuick someone call the girl policeAnd file a report
― ... (Eazy), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 17:19 (six years ago) link
"Where Is My Mind"
― ... (Eazy), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 17:22 (six years ago) link
Neil Young - On The Beach
^ arguable, but i think he touches on the need for an audience and how frustrating that is - possibly more ambivalent??
― after party for the apocalypse (Ross), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 17:24 (six years ago) link
songs where the strength of the protagonist's relationship is evaluated based upon their awareness of their lover's potato preferences:
Gershwin - Let's Call the Whole Thing OffSia - Sweet Potatoes
― ilxor-com-dog-meat-drawer-7-840-x-600.jpg (unregistered), Friday, 3 August 2018 03:36 (six years ago) link
Songs in which the Beatles wish you a Happy Birthday
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Friday, 3 August 2018 04:20 (six years ago) link
Songs in which the singer reads off a phone number:“867-5309/Jenny” — Tommy Tutone“Group Sex” — Circle Jerks“The Vietnamese Telephone Ministry” — Fiery Furnaces
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Friday, 3 August 2018 04:30 (six years ago) link
^Brenda Lee - Bigelow 6-200
― ilxor-com-dog-meat-drawer-7-840-x-600.jpg (unregistered), Friday, 3 August 2018 04:37 (six years ago) link
Transylvania 6-5000
― calstars, Friday, 3 August 2018 04:39 (six years ago) link
Oh snap!
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Friday, 3 August 2018 04:40 (six years ago) link
Songs in which the boys are back in town:
Thin Lizzy - The Boys are Back in Town
― josh az (2011nostalgia), Friday, 3 August 2018 07:03 (six years ago) link
roxy music - remake/remodel ... "CPL 593H!"
― visiting, Friday, 3 August 2018 07:06 (six years ago) link
scraping foetus off the wheel - DI-1-9026
― visiting, Friday, 3 August 2018 07:10 (six years ago) link
isaac hayes - good love ... "call good love 69-9-69"
― visiting, Friday, 3 August 2018 07:26 (six years ago) link
squeeze - "853-5937"
are there any phone-number songs yet that have modern 8, 10, or 11 digit numbers?
― Lee626, Friday, 3 August 2018 08:19 (six years ago) link
City Boy – 5705
― the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Friday, 3 August 2018 08:24 (six years ago) link
Not a phone number, it was the registration number of Bryan Ferry's car.
― Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Friday, 3 August 2018 08:48 (six years ago) link
songs written by a non-famous family member of the recording artist:Grizzly Bear - MarlaThrowing Muses - Sinkhole― how to diss a peer completely (unregistered), Monday, 12 February 2018 02:46 (five months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― how to diss a peer completely (unregistered), Monday, 12 February 2018 02:46 (five months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Lyn Paul - The Waiting Game (Doreen Belcher)
I know. I do.
― Mark G, Friday, 3 August 2018 10:21 (six years ago) link
"Maybe Baby" had some lines written by Buddy Holly's mom.
― Sam Weller, Friday, 3 August 2018 10:40 (six years ago) link
George Harrison's "Piggies" had one line he couldn't fill, needed to rhyme with "lacking". His mum suggested "What they need's a damn good whacking" which is the "WHOA" line in the song.
― Mark G, Friday, 3 August 2018 11:09 (six years ago) link
Isn’t this every Cat Power song?
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 3 August 2018 11:30 (six years ago) link
POLL: Songs Written By The Artist's Mom
― Sam Weller, Friday, 3 August 2018 11:44 (six years ago) link
Harry Nilsson, "Little Cowboy"Harry Nilsson, "Marchin' Down Broadway"
― Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Friday, 3 August 2018 12:07 (six years ago) link
Jeremih - 773 LOVE
― ant banks and wasp (voodoo chili), Friday, 3 August 2018 12:36 (six years ago) link
This doesn't count but Hoyt Axton's mom wrote "Heartbreak Hotel."
― devil's avocado (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 3 August 2018 12:42 (six years ago) link
songs that are titled wrong on spotify
julian cope - know (cut my friend down) - cut my friends downpearl jam - aye davanita - aya davanita
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 16 May 2024 11:55 (four months ago) link
This also happened to be the JL album that I most loved📹
Songs with long names that still aren't the actual lyricManic Street Preachers - If You Tolerate This Your Children Will Be NextU2 - Stuck in a Moment You Can't Get Out OfThe Smiths - There Is a Light That Never Goes OutArctic Monkeys - I Bet You Look Good on the DancefloorMeat Loaf - I'd Do Anything for Love (But I Won't Do That)
― Alba, Thursday, 23 May 2024 13:11 (four months ago) link
_"Album covers what display only a single bandmember?"
― Alba, Thursday, 23 May 2024 13:13 (four months ago) link
Tindersticks have a couple of these.
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/91QerPGmBLL._UF350,350_QL50_.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b5/Tindersticks-CanOurLove.jpg/220px-Tindersticks-CanOurLove.jpg
― bored by endless ecstasy (anagram), Thursday, 23 May 2024 14:13 (four months ago) link
Doug Yule is the only person pictured on Velvet Underground Loaded.
― bbq, Thursday, 23 May 2024 20:04 (four months ago) link
Vocoder-y treated almost a cappella-y interlude tracks
Paul McCartney - Be What You See (Link)Aerosmith - Prelude to JoaniePink Floyd - A New Machine (Parts 1 and 2)Todd Rundgren - Born to Synthesize (okay it's quite long)The Chemical Brothers - No Path to Follow (okay it's track 1) (and we've long since moved past vocoders)
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Tuesday, 6 August 2024 15:43 (two months ago) link
King Crimson - "The Power to Believe I: A Cappella" (also track 1)
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 6 August 2024 18:10 (two months ago) link
The Apples in Stereo have a few of these, not least the 14 second track "Vocoder Ba Ba" from New Magnetic Wonder
― Hideous Lump, Tuesday, 6 August 2024 21:28 (two months ago) link
“Aerosmith- Prelude to Joanie”
I’m reading Steven Tyler’s autobiography right now. He talks about making that track and he seems really proud of himself for using a vocoder.
― bbq, Tuesday, 6 August 2024 21:49 (two months ago) link
Hits with concealed, uncensored F words
The Kingsmen - Louie LouieThe Beatles - Hey JudeEMF - UnbelievableGreen Day - Good Riddance (Time of Your Life)Ferry Corsten - Rock Your Body RockMylo - Drop the Pressure / Mylo vs Miami Sound Machine - Doctor Pressure
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Sunday, 18 August 2024 13:37 (one month ago) link
Lady Gaga - Poker Face(Louie Louie is an urban myth surely)
― This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 18 August 2024 13:50 (one month ago) link
Lynn Easton and Jack Ely had both confirmed it throughout the years. This ofc could still just be playing up to the myth but it does sound like a 'fuck'
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Sunday, 18 August 2024 14:03 (one month ago) link
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/louie-louie-fuck/
― if this site were a food it would have NO nutritional value!!!!!!! (Neanderthal), Sunday, 18 August 2024 15:16 (one month ago) link
BTW googling Louie Louie fuck got some unintended interesting results
Surprised I couldn't find anything on this thread or another thread on this topic:
Songs where the singer imitates another famous singer (but only for a short segment)
"The Doll House" by Phil Ochs (Bob Dylan)"Dead Finks Don't Talk" by Eno (Bryan Ferry)
There are bound to be loads of nods to Elvis (and others to Dylan) in this vein.
― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 18 August 2024 17:16 (one month ago) link
A Simple Desultory Phillipic, of course.
I've lost my harmonica, Albert."
― Jedi, I've got your number (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 18 August 2024 17:23 (one month ago) link
And Man on the Moon, "Hey baby."
― Jedi, I've got your number (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 18 August 2024 17:24 (one month ago) link
"I Dig Rock 'n Roll Music" by Peter, Paul and Mary (The Mamas and the Papas/Donovan/Beatles).
― Josefa, Sunday, 18 August 2024 18:16 (one month ago) link
Golden crown by the clean and buckingham rabbit by silver jews sound the same for the first 1 second
― idiotpills, Sunday, 18 August 2024 18:31 (one month ago) link
Does it count when jacqueline taieb sings talking bout my g g g generation in 7 heures du matin
― idiotpills, Sunday, 18 August 2024 18:35 (one month ago) link
Thank you god for making me an angel by the country teasers the singer goes “day in day out” like ian curtis in that one joy division tune
― idiotpills, Sunday, 18 August 2024 18:39 (one month ago) link
we've definitely had that thread... hmmm
― the last visible dot (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 18 August 2024 20:56 (one month ago) link
I wasn't thinking of actual quotes from other songs, just singers who briefly imitate other singers.
― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 18 August 2024 21:00 (one month ago) link
"All You Need Is Your Feeling" by Kleenex Girl Wonder (Kevin Rowland)"Charge" by The Divine Comedy (I assume Barry White and Prince are what Neil's going for here)"Sex with the Devil" by Ann Magnuson (Ethel Merman)"Hell on Wheels" by The Lemon Twigs (Bob Dylan)
― Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Monday, 19 August 2024 18:59 (one month ago) link
"1976" by Redd Kross (Paul Stanley)
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 19 August 2024 19:16 (one month ago) link
is prince imitating joni on “ballad of dorothy parker” or just singing “help me”?
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Monday, 19 August 2024 20:03 (one month ago) link
he def imitates the phone (brrrring)
Novelty folk is rife. Lookit Jemaine Clement's pretty good Bowie steez both on Flight of the Conchords' "Bowie's in Space" as well as "Shiny" from the Moana soundtrack
― Jedi, I've got your number (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 19 August 2024 20:23 (one month ago) link
Parts of songs that remind you of Robert Smith at different points in his singing life
Joe Jackson - Is She Really Going Out with Him? - "But if looks could kill"Associates - Club Country - the "someone there..." bits at the end of the chorusesThe Darkness - Get Your Hands off My Woman - "I've got no right to lay claim to her frame...", arguably sealing it with the "pos-SES-SION"The Killers - Jenny Was a Friend of Mine - "I couldn't scream while I {breathy voice}h-eld h-er c-lose{/breathy voice} I SWOOOOORE i'd never LET her GAAA-OOOHH" (over All I Want/A Night Like This hybrid music)Gorillaz - 5/4 - "She made me kill myself. Come on"
A friend also reckons:New Order - Sunrise - the first couple lines, helped by the music ofcSad Lovers & Giants - Imagination - the chorus
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Tuesday, 20 August 2024 22:24 (one month ago) link
Robert Smith
The Shins - So Says I - all the parts where James Mercer sings at the top of his chest voice
singers who briefly imitate other singers
"Down the Beach" by John Phillips (Louis Armstrong)
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 21 August 2024 00:57 (one month ago) link
Singles that are on the album but are not from the album. No debut LPs allowed, nor re-recordings a la Cat People, nor Yellow Sub/Still Cruisin'-style semi-comp malarkey.
The Beach Boys - Good Vibrations (Smiley Smile)The Beach Boys - Do It Again (20/20)Madonna - American Pie (Music)Madonna - Die Another Day (American Life)Queen and David Bowie - Under Pressure (Hot Space)The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Burning of the Midnight Lamp (Electric Ladyland)Wet Wet Wet - Love Is All Around (Picture This)Kate Bush - Sat in Your Lap (subtly remixed for The Dreaming)Dizzee Rascal ft Calvin Harris & Chrome - Dance wiv Me (Dizzee's Tongue 'n' Cheek / Calvin's Ready for the Weekend)Girls Aloud - Jump (What Will the Neighbours Say?)Prince - The Most Beautiful Girl in the World (The Gold Experience)McFly - All About You (Wonderland)McFly - Please, Please / Don't Stop Me Now (Motion in the Ocean)McFly - The Heart Never Lies (radio:ACTIVE, the newspaper version)Disco Inferno - It's a Kid's World (Technicolour, assuming we can call the EP a single)Spice Girls - Goodbye (Forever)The Specials - Rat Race (More Specials, US version)George Michael - Freeek! / Shoot the Dog (Patience)Supergrass - Going Out (In It for the Money)Radiohead - Lucky (as heavily promoted lead track on The Help EP) (OK Computer)Biffy Clyro - Mountains (Only Revolutions)Robbie Williams/Kylie Minogue - Kids (Kylie's Light Years; this was officially a single from Robbie's Sing When You're Winning)The Psychedelic Furs - Pretty in Pink 1986 (some versions of Midnight to Midnight)The Smiths - How Soon Is Now? (some versions of Meat Is Murder)New Order - Blue Monday (some versions of Power, Corruption & Lies)Oasis - Some Might Say arguably doesn't count I think, apparently this was always meant to be the first single from the album they hadn't recorded yetThe Beatles - Can't Buy Me Love (A Hard Day's Night)Can - Spoon (Ege Bamyasi)a-ha - The Living Daylights (Stay on These Roads)The Monkees - Daydream Believer (The Birds, the Bees & the Monkees)The Beach Boys - Sunflower (single version) (some versions of Sunflower)Simon & Garfunkel - A Hazy Shade of Winter / At the Zoo / Fakin' It (Bookends)
Thanks my friends for their immediate suggesting of the last five
The reverse of this is e.g. old Beatles album tracks being issued as singles in later decades (even three of the singles from Prefab Sprout's first best-of, and the single from RHCP's concurrent first best-of, are old album tracks). That list is just not as interesting imo.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Monday, 16 September 2024 22:48 (four weeks ago) link
Cottonfields* should be penultimate example there btw
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Monday, 16 September 2024 22:50 (four weeks ago) link
Queen - One Vision (A Kind of Magic)
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Monday, 16 September 2024 23:05 (four weeks ago) link
The Pretenders - Back on the Chain Gang (Learning to Crawl)
― Josefa, Monday, 16 September 2024 23:24 (four weeks ago) link
Aaliyah - Try Again (some versions of Aaliyah)Janet Jackson - Doesn't Really Matter (All for You)Limp Bizkit - Take a Look Around (Chocolate Starfish)Love - 7 and 7 Is (Da Capo)
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Monday, 16 September 2024 23:25 (four weeks ago) link
Pulp - Help The Aged
― This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 16 September 2024 23:29 (four weeks ago) link
Focus - House of the King (Focus 3)
Where chronologically do you draw the line between "first single" and "single that predates the album"?
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 16 September 2024 23:34 (four weeks ago) link
The Kinks - Days (The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society (12 track version))
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 16 September 2024 23:37 (four weeks ago) link
The Mamas & the Papas - Twelve Thirty (Young Girls Are Coming to the Canyon)…. (The Papas and the Mamas)
― Josefa, Monday, 16 September 2024 23:41 (four weeks ago) link
xps I guess it's up to you where a song starts to distinctly seem like it's been added to the album, or in some cases like the album's tacked on around the single - and if the song doesn't originate from the album sessions itself then that's a (separate but usually overlapping) indicator in itself.
For instance something like You Could Be Mine on UYI II, I wouldn't count that, it's almost irrelevant that the single was tied to T2 rather than the album (following two months later). I wouldn't include those various Pet Shop Boys ones either (Can You Forgive Her, Before).
And singles from Loveless (if Soon/THKW count as singles) and Screamadelica predate the album but they're so connected to those albums (and in the case of Loveless, that was already being worked on before Soon appeared) that there isn't the slight contextual dissonance of a song from another project being glued on. Arguably Sat in Your Lap is one of these but I included it anyway.
What do I count? Here's another:Gilbert O'Sullivan - Get Down (I'm a Writer, Not a Fighter)
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Monday, 16 September 2024 23:45 (four weeks ago) link
I think mostly it's just, 'were those singles part of the album campaigns?', and I was thinking of ones that I don't think were
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Monday, 16 September 2024 23:46 (four weeks ago) link
Frank Sinatra & Nancy Sinatra - Somethin’ Stupid (The World We Knew by Frank Sinatra)
― Josefa, Monday, 16 September 2024 23:51 (four weeks ago) link
I guess Bob Dylan - Rainy Day Women #12 and #35 because it came out three months before Blonde on Blonde, but this is where that distinction gets a little hard to make
― Josefa, Monday, 16 September 2024 23:58 (four weeks ago) link
And The Kinks - Waterloo Sunset appeared four months before the album Something Else so where does that fall
― Josefa, Tuesday, 17 September 2024 00:10 (four weeks ago) link
I'd ignore em personally.
The Special AKA - War Crimes and Racist Friend (In the Studio) (this album definitely blurs the lines because, like Loveless, it was being worked as an album for quite a long time, but these still seem detached enough in time as singles unlike Nelson Mandela)
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Tuesday, 17 September 2024 00:12 (four weeks ago) link
Nas - Halftime (Illmatic)Warren G - Regulate (Regulate... the G Funk Era)
Actually loads of 90s soundtrack hiphop singles.
― a hoy hoy, Tuesday, 17 September 2024 10:36 (four weeks ago) link
thundercat’s “them changes”
― hott ogo (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 17 September 2024 12:20 (four weeks ago) link
Another Beach Boys example decades before 'Still Cruisin' was their 1963 album Little Deuce Coupe which reused four songs (including the title track) from earlier albums because they fit the automotive theme, and because the Boys couldn't possibly come up with enough new material to satisfy their record company's three-albums-a-year schedule.
There must be a bunch of these that were originally written for (or at least first used on) a film soundtrack and later stuck on an album, especially if it was a hit. A good example is "Stay" by Lisa Loeb which was first released on the 'Reality Bites' soundtrack, issued as a single, and topped the charts, all before she even had a record contract. She didn't get an album out until more than a year later, and it again included "Stay".
― Lee626, Tuesday, 17 September 2024 13:36 (four weeks ago) link
Songs that quote lyrics from "All Shook Up": "Cyprus Avenue" by Van Morrison, "Avant Gardener" by Courtney Barnett. Are there any others?
― Lily Dale, Sunday, 22 September 2024 00:19 (three weeks ago) link
DJ Kool - Let Me Clear My Throat (Old School Reunion Remix '96)
― Vernon Locke, Monday, 23 September 2024 04:21 (three weeks ago) link