Bodak Yellow is:

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OptionVotes
Good Song 33
Okay Song 25
Meh Song 20
Not a Good Song 18
Great Song 16
Terrible Song 9
Song of the Year 6
Worst Song of the Year 3
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Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 03:32 (one year ago) Permalink

Also a thread to discuss Cardi B and attendant cultural issues as they appear to be metastasizing boardwide just lately

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 03:33 (one year ago) Permalink

can i use this thread to instead rage against “meh”

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 03:52 (one year ago) Permalink

rage against the mehchine

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 03:53 (one year ago) Permalink

oh cool

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 04:02 (one year ago) Permalink

what are the attendant cultural issues?

crüt, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 04:15 (one year ago) Permalink

I just voted Not a Good Song because it's not a good song, but I care very little about the larger cultural implications people are arguing about. I just hate trap.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 04:17 (one year ago) Permalink

what are the attendant cultural issues?

― crüt, Monday, December 25, 2017 11:15 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

+1

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 04:18 (one year ago) Permalink

"I'm rich, fuck you" songs in the age of Trump.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 04:19 (one year ago) Permalink

I've heard it a few times, all in the context of year-end playlists, and it has never left any impression on me. So, meh.

iCloudius (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 04:22 (one year ago) Permalink

Bodak Yellow wil be #2

the man from P.O.R.L.O.C.K. (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 04:27 (one year ago) Permalink

In our poll or in P&J?

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 04:31 (one year ago) Permalink

"I'm rich, fuck you" songs in the age of Trump.

― Johnny Fever, Monday, December 25, 2017 11:19 PM (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that's the argument? saying that i'm rich fuck you songs are any different while trump is around affords him way too much respect.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 04:40 (one year ago) Permalink

well this is rather charmless

j., Tuesday, 26 December 2017 05:10 (one year ago) Permalink

It's a great song, not song of the year. Then again, I have no idea what other song could be song of the year. (As a parenthetical, I might vote for It Ain't Me for sentimental reasons). The force of the song is just undeniable. Who she is helps but it's also incredibly muscular and ruthless in its movement from A to B. But who she is is the point.

The times they are a changing, perhaps (map), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 05:26 (one year ago) Permalink

Just the sheer chutzpah of a Top 1 song talking about bank tellers asking who tf you are.

The times they are a changing, perhaps (map), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 05:27 (one year ago) Permalink

It feels like an outsider song and it feels like an explosion and her "rich" doesn't sound rich, it sounds like affording to live.

The times they are a changing, perhaps (map), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 05:28 (one year ago) Permalink

I wanna hear what other people have as their song of the year in this thread to be honest

The times they are a changing, perhaps (map), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 05:29 (one year ago) Permalink

I might spring for "Disco Tits" by Tove Lo, it didn't make any numbers but goddamn did it give those boys some fun on the dance floor

The times they are a changing, perhaps (map), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 05:30 (one year ago) Permalink

First time hearing and, holy hell, that was about the most boring thing I've heard in quite some time.

It's pretty much a textbook example of why I stopped listening to hiphop a decade and a half ago. And, considering that so little evolution -indeed, seemingly none at all- has taken place, I miss nothing.

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 05:31 (one year ago) Permalink

Thanks for your input, Austin

The times they are a changing, perhaps (map), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 05:32 (one year ago) Permalink

Voted "Terrible Song" by the way.

My pick for my favorite song of the year would either be something off the King Krule or the Nick Hakim albums from this year.

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 05:34 (one year ago) Permalink

lol

flopson, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 05:41 (one year ago) Permalink

what are the attendant cultural issues?

― crüt, Monday, December 25, 2017 11:15 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

+1

― call all destroyer, Monday, December 25, 2017 8:18 PM (one hour ago)

i was having trouble grasping some of the issues others were bringing up but i'm starting to understand and am now trying to avoid defaulting to obtuse defensiveness whenever people criticize or otherwise bemoan the song. here are bits of some posts in another thread that got me thinking a bit more, not just about the song itself but about other developments in pop...:

They took a beloved celeb & had her do the 30th no flocking freestyle over Asap ferg “work” beat & gave it a million dollar rollout which is more than they’d invest in any female artist famous for u know creativity or style or innovation or anything beyond charisma & the masses of lames who get their rap marching orders from rap caviar decided it was the best female rap record ever made or something. Boring

...

She’s been hugely famous before she had a recording career. Was the obvious breakout star on love & hip hop & iirc appeared on fader before she’d even recorded a mixtape. She was a significant instagram celeb before reality tv. ... She got a million dollar deal at Atlantic when no other female rappers are getting deals at that level, because she was a proven star. ... it’s unquestionable that labels thought she was a better bet than literally any other rapper bc she was already a proven public personality
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40)

labels are even more into signing people with already existing celebrity these days even if it’s more “notoriety” than anything else. the whole “let the police reports act as the one sheets” wave, bhad bhabie, etc. i know i know pia zadora put out albums too but there’s something much more craven about this edition of it

― maura

dyl, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 05:45 (one year ago) Permalink

I voted for Okay, and I meant #2 on ILX, but it was a joking ref to fkappy bird on another thread + my own baseless hunch that traxx wd come down to this & DNA

(Though I believe lex had it as his #2 single of the year)

the man from P.O.R.L.O.C.K. (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 05:48 (one year ago) Permalink

A lot of criticisms in this thread feel really weird imo

the man from P.O.R.L.O.C.K. (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 05:49 (one year ago) Permalink

fyi there are no attendant cultural issues u can just decide whether you like the song or not

flopson, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 05:49 (one year ago) Permalink

i voted great and my feelings on it roughly align with map's even if i know deep down it's not ~really~ an outsider song or w/e

and yes part of its appeal is that "she" (aka she + the label machinery) managed a meteoric rise from a position that it's safe to say most don't particularly respect (stripper/'instathot')

dyl, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 05:57 (one year ago) Permalink

Meh. Nice to see a female rapper hit #1, but I don't find the song particularly compelling and I'm not otherwise invested in her as a personality.

Beret McKesson (jaymc), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 06:05 (one year ago) Permalink

(I don't find it compelling as a piece of music, I should say.)

Beret McKesson (jaymc), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 06:08 (one year ago) Permalink

i am not really bothered by the perhaps-excessive attention this song has commanded in the recent year-end lists, but it does bug me that the majority of accompanying writeups, even from outlets that ordinarily pretend not to care about such things, make sure to mention its most distinctive chart feat, i.e. that it's the first solo female rapper #1 since 1998 when lauryn hill did it. (and i wonder if they would even bother mentioning it if someone less respected than lauryn had been the last.)

dyl, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 06:16 (one year ago) Permalink

i'm a charts nut myself but really, when you wanna write about how great you supposedly think a song is, you should really write about the song!

dyl, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 06:17 (one year ago) Permalink

Annoying

flappy bird, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 06:20 (one year ago) Permalink

i only ever remember the first 2 lines of this song... i think it's pretty good but otherwise overrated. as far as new york hits the last several years i like it less than "hot n*gga," "ooouuu," "milly rock," a boogie "my shit" etc

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 26 December 2017 06:42 (one year ago) Permalink

c'mon 'bodak yellow' is better than 'my shit'

flopson, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 07:02 (one year ago) Permalink

'ooouu' seems like a good comparison; loved it last year but couldn't remember how it sounded until i put it on just now, mayyy not recall bodak a year from now lol

flopson, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 07:04 (one year ago) Permalink

As someone who doesn’t live in the US the only exposure I can get to Bodak Yellow must be self inflicted. I’ve listened to it 5 times since October and I don’t have the faintest clue why it’s so popular in the US. I still don’t remember a single thing about it nor am I inclined to listen to it another time.

A year from now you’ll all be joinining me as noone will remember this forgettable piece of trap.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 07:16 (one year ago) Permalink

lol @ 'self inflicted'

flappy bird, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 07:17 (one year ago) Permalink

i don't really listen to this type of music, but i feel like it doesn't stand out from what little i've heard. and while i found it pretty catchy (and occasionally striking, like when she rapped about her vagina) it also seemed kind of flat. i would rather just listen to gangsta boo, trina, remy ma, etc etc etc instead. maybe i'm just old. actually i know i'm old, and that's the ultimate old person stance to take a new music. whatever, i voted ok song.

also flopson and call all destroyer otm i think.

the late great, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 07:23 (one year ago) Permalink

i know the artists i named have different styles from cardi b (and each other) so i don't mean to draw too strong a comparison. just naming some artists that appeal to me more. it sounds like from what people are saying here she has this huge personality but it doesn't really come through for me in this song.

the late great, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 07:28 (one year ago) Permalink

i am curious

She’s been hugely famous before she had a recording career. Was the obvious breakout star on love & hip hop & iirc appeared on fader before she’d even recorded a mixtape. She was a significant instagram celeb before reality tv. ... She got a million dollar deal at Atlantic when no other female rappers are getting deals at that level, because she was a proven star. ... it’s unquestionable that labels thought she was a better bet than literally any other rapper bc she was already a proven public personality
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40)

how does this work? is she like super-good at social media or something?

the late great, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 07:29 (one year ago) Permalink

She was a pro stripper & Instagram girl who was hugely popular & conveyed tons of personality thru online video before getting picked up for love & hip hop, which propelled her even higher cuz she was such an obvious star & also kind of outspoken

This thing went viral, where she tells off Peter gunz (yes that Peter gunz)

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4023vn

fwiw I find her pretty likeable, the notion that she’s somehow the best female rapper out & should be deified as an artist ultimately sells short hip hop as an art form imo, in order to prop her up

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 07:40 (one year ago) Permalink

She was a pro stripper & Instagram girl who was hugely popular & conveyed tons of personality thru online video before getting picked up for love & hip hop, which propelled her even higher cuz she was such an obvious star & also kind of outspoken

This thing went viral, where she tells off Peter gunz (yes that Peter gunz)

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4023vn

fwiw I find her pretty likeable, the notion that she’s somehow the best female rapper out & should be deified as an artist ultimately sells short hip hop as an art form imo, in order to prop her up

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 07:40 (one year ago) Permalink

Damn double post

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 07:41 (one year ago) Permalink

haha lol he got roasted

the late great, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 07:43 (one year ago) Permalink

As someone who doesn’t live in the US the only exposure I can get to Bodak Yellow must be self inflicted. I’ve listened to it 5 times since October and I don’t have the faintest clue why it’s so popular in the US. I still don’t remember a single thing about it nor am I inclined to listen to it another time.

haha, this is v otm - it takes some effort to follow the US scene in this regard

a song as forgettable as Black Beatles for me

niels, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 09:14 (one year ago) Permalink

black beatles >>>>> bodak yellow

ufo, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 09:16 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah I hear a lot of rap out (not in usa) & haven't heard this song until now, when I'm streaming it chez moi. looks like it hit #70 on the chart here. usa rap does fine here, "black beatles" hit #2.

droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 09:28 (one year ago) Permalink

im not at all surprised its popular, its built on the gulf between rap smashes & pop smashes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE_-obgiWm0

and the fact that a massive portion of the population has no idea what this song is, and another smaller portion (though still huge... 123 million views huge) treated it as one of the most important songs of the last 5 years

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 10:08 (one year ago) Permalink

not putting myself through reading the shitty opinions on this thread, this song is great

a Rambo in curved air (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 10:15 (one year ago) Permalink

still fairly stunned at how *solid* this whole album is

i'm living inside Money Bag rn

alpine static, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 00:55 (one year ago) Permalink

Awesome record

Music is confidence (Ross), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 03:27 (one year ago) Permalink

Cardi has infinite amounts of personality

Music is confidence (Ross), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 03:27 (one year ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Bump. Somehow I missed most of the initial promo cycle, but the album is terrific.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 18 September 2018 04:48 (eight months ago) Permalink

Still think cardi needs her own thread

Ross, Tuesday, 18 September 2018 06:26 (eight months ago) Permalink

Yeah, I didn't particularly like "Bodak Yellow" but the album is good, especially the slow jams "Ring" and "Thru Your Phone".

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 18 September 2018 07:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

yeah i was really surprised by how much i liked the album after not really caring about bodak yellow

ufo, Tuesday, 18 September 2018 08:50 (eight months ago) Permalink

i haven't listened to the album front-to-back in quite some time but it's been fun to realize over the course of the year just how many really strong, memorable tracks there are as i hear them out-and-about, on radio mixshows and the like

dyl, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 02:15 (eight months ago) Permalink

Otm

I like it sounds great blasting from cars

Ross, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 02:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

we should really have a cardi thread

until then, interesting quote from GQ profile:

For listeners, Cardi's distinct vocal patterns are part of the appeal of her rap style. She makes English sound way more fun than it is. "Do you want to know something?" Cardi asks. "That's my biggest problem, that takes me a long time in the booth. I be trying to pronounce words properly and without an accent. Each and every song from my album, I most likely did it over five times, because I'm really insecure about my accent when it comes to music. In person, I don't care."

https://www.gq.com/story/cardi-b-invasion-of-privacy-profile

niels, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 19:30 (five months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

new song w/ bruno mars https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FitbJ3oqww

monotony, Friday, 15 February 2019 05:38 (three months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Dearie me:

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-47718477

does it look like i'm here (jon123), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 11:22 (two months ago) Permalink

Cosby B

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 13:47 (two months ago) Permalink

it's kinda...insane to me that this doesn't seem to really be hurting her in any way

it's super fucked up

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 1 April 2019 13:59 (one month ago) Permalink

ten "Selectivity of Cancel Culture" dissertations by the end of the year imo

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 1 April 2019 14:24 (one month ago) Permalink

it's insane to me that people are comparing this to rape

dyl, Monday, 1 April 2019 18:36 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah, she drugged johns and stole their money. shady behaviour, of course, but comparisons to cosby are o_0

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 1 April 2019 18:38 (one month ago) Permalink

nobody cares about johns basically (i know i don't)

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 1 April 2019 18:49 (one month ago) Permalink

It's not going to affect her because the only people equating the two either still idolize famous men who are sexual predators or because they need to believe that women are generally as trash as men. And she owned up to it; I am still waiting for multitudes of famous trash men to own up to any degree of fucked up behaviour.

Yerac, Monday, 1 April 2019 19:01 (one month ago) Permalink

ten "Selectivity of Cancel Culture" dissertations by the end of the year imo

― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, April 1, 2019 10:24 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

will read, share

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 1 April 2019 19:14 (one month ago) Permalink

you can't be pro sex work and excuse this behavior imo

groovemaaan, Monday, 1 April 2019 19:20 (one month ago) Permalink

i don't seen anyone excusing it

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 1 April 2019 19:23 (one month ago) Permalink

people not being particularly exercised by it is a different thing

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 1 April 2019 19:24 (one month ago) Permalink

jim and yerac thoroughly otm.

pomenitul, Monday, 1 April 2019 19:41 (one month ago) Permalink

i was not equating the two
things can be fucked up and be way less fucked up than say bill cosby

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 1 April 2019 19:50 (one month ago) Permalink

going to be trenchant here but would be weird to cancel cardi b over this when there are male rappers we lionize who probably have killed people

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 1 April 2019 19:52 (one month ago) Permalink

we're through the looking glass here people

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 1 April 2019 20:12 (one month ago) Permalink

nice engagement, paul. thanks for playing

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 1 April 2019 20:17 (one month ago) Permalink

clarification, my post wasn't addressing anyone specifically here, but rather the general push and push and push that this should even be a thing besides her narrative of what she had to do to survive. Feel free to have complicated feelings about any men vlogging about needing to rape to survive.

Yerac, Monday, 1 April 2019 20:26 (one month ago) Permalink

lmao

shoulda zagged (esby), Monday, 1 April 2019 20:32 (one month ago) Permalink

@ this thread

shoulda zagged (esby), Monday, 1 April 2019 20:33 (one month ago) Permalink

Seems pretty straightforward to me. What she did was not cool but seeing as johns can and should go fuck themselves it's really not that big a deal. No, it's not the same thing as a prominent dude drugging and raping a woman (do we really need to remind people of this?) - at worst, it's aggravated theft. And rapper dudes brag about way less acceptable shit than aggravated theft all the time. Should she get away with it? I personally don't give the ghost of a fuck but if you start asking these kinds of moral questions, apply your inquisitorial logic beyond Cardi B.

pomenitul, Monday, 1 April 2019 20:55 (one month ago) Permalink

wtf is a john?

Mr. Snrub, Monday, 1 April 2019 23:48 (one month ago) Permalink

hahahaha

cheese canopy (map), Monday, 1 April 2019 23:53 (one month ago) Permalink

correct me if i'm wrong? but i think it's a fan of gorillaz

cheese canopy (map), Monday, 1 April 2019 23:56 (one month ago) Permalink

Slang word for a user of prostitution.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 05:23 (one month ago) Permalink

Bringing other rappers and Bill Cosby into it is total whataboutery, it's like saying Cosby isn't as bad as R Kelly because at least he didn't enslave loads of women.

"What she did was not cool but seeing as johns can and should go fuck themselves it's really not that big a deal."

What is worse:
1. paying for sex
2. drugging and robbing multiple people

does it look like i'm here (jon123), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 10:46 (one month ago) Permalink

I'm pro sex workers and anti sex work so there's your answer.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 11:14 (one month ago) Permalink

Not sure how that works, practically.

Angry Question Time Man's Flute Club Band (Tom D.), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 11:18 (one month ago) Permalink

That's an interesting take. Just sounds like slut-shaming to me.

☮ (peace, man), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 11:20 (one month ago) Permalink

Nah. That's bad faith and you know it.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 11:28 (one month ago) Permalink

Um, why?

☮ (peace, man), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 11:54 (one month ago) Permalink

Because my position doesn't imply shaming or blaming sex workers for anything? On the contrary? I mean, plenty of countries have legislations that allow the sale of sex but not its purchase (Canada, France, Sweden, Norway, Ireland).

pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 11:59 (one month ago) Permalink

No, but you're shaming the other partner in the relationship.

☮ (peace, man), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 12:01 (one month ago) Permalink

Oh, so there's the plot twist. Yeah, sure, I'm cool that.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 12:04 (one month ago) Permalink

But why?

☮ (peace, man), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 12:12 (one month ago) Permalink

Because there’s a reason economically privileged women tend not to become sex workers, just as there’s a reason more than 2/3 of Germany’s brothels are filled with foreign sex workers. There are exceptions, of course, but as a general rule most women, when given the choice, opt for other ways to make a living. I wonder why?

pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 12:20 (one month ago) Permalink

knowing she really did that makes me like the music more

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 21:56 (one month ago) Permalink

Otm

cheese canopy (map), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 00:15 (one month ago) Permalink

Cardi: not a studio thug

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 00:54 (one month ago) Permalink


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