Bodak Yellow is:

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Poll Results

OptionVotes
Good Song 33
Okay Song 25
Meh Song 20
Not a Good Song 18
Great Song 16
Terrible Song 9
Song of the Year 6
Worst Song of the Year 3
Other, please post your 250-3000 word article below to be used in this year's online Pazz and Jop Critics Poll 3


Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 03:32 (six months ago) Permalink

Also a thread to discuss Cardi B and attendant cultural issues as they appear to be metastasizing boardwide just lately

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 03:33 (six months ago) Permalink

can i use this thread to instead rage against “meh”

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 03:52 (six months ago) Permalink

rage against the mehchine

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 03:53 (six months ago) Permalink

oh cool

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 04:02 (six months ago) Permalink

what are the attendant cultural issues?

crüt, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 04:15 (six months ago) Permalink

I just voted Not a Good Song because it's not a good song, but I care very little about the larger cultural implications people are arguing about. I just hate trap.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 04:17 (six months ago) Permalink

what are the attendant cultural issues?

― crüt, Monday, December 25, 2017 11:15 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

+1

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 04:18 (six months ago) Permalink

"I'm rich, fuck you" songs in the age of Trump.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 04:19 (six months ago) Permalink

I've heard it a few times, all in the context of year-end playlists, and it has never left any impression on me. So, meh.

iCloudius (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 04:22 (six months ago) Permalink

Bodak Yellow wil be #2

the man from P.O.R.L.O.C.K. (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 04:27 (six months ago) Permalink

In our poll or in P&J?

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 04:31 (six months ago) Permalink

"I'm rich, fuck you" songs in the age of Trump.

― Johnny Fever, Monday, December 25, 2017 11:19 PM (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that's the argument? saying that i'm rich fuck you songs are any different while trump is around affords him way too much respect.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 04:40 (six months ago) Permalink

well this is rather charmless

j., Tuesday, 26 December 2017 05:10 (six months ago) Permalink

It's a great song, not song of the year. Then again, I have no idea what other song could be song of the year. (As a parenthetical, I might vote for It Ain't Me for sentimental reasons). The force of the song is just undeniable. Who she is helps but it's also incredibly muscular and ruthless in its movement from A to B. But who she is is the point.

The times they are a changing, perhaps (map), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 05:26 (six months ago) Permalink

Just the sheer chutzpah of a Top 1 song talking about bank tellers asking who tf you are.

The times they are a changing, perhaps (map), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 05:27 (six months ago) Permalink

It feels like an outsider song and it feels like an explosion and her "rich" doesn't sound rich, it sounds like affording to live.

The times they are a changing, perhaps (map), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 05:28 (six months ago) Permalink

I wanna hear what other people have as their song of the year in this thread to be honest

The times they are a changing, perhaps (map), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 05:29 (six months ago) Permalink

I might spring for "Disco Tits" by Tove Lo, it didn't make any numbers but goddamn did it give those boys some fun on the dance floor

The times they are a changing, perhaps (map), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 05:30 (six months ago) Permalink

First time hearing and, holy hell, that was about the most boring thing I've heard in quite some time.

It's pretty much a textbook example of why I stopped listening to hiphop a decade and a half ago. And, considering that so little evolution -indeed, seemingly none at all- has taken place, I miss nothing.

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 05:31 (six months ago) Permalink

Thanks for your input, Austin

The times they are a changing, perhaps (map), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 05:32 (six months ago) Permalink

Voted "Terrible Song" by the way.

My pick for my favorite song of the year would either be something off the King Krule or the Nick Hakim albums from this year.

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 05:34 (six months ago) Permalink

lol

flopson, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 05:41 (six months ago) Permalink

what are the attendant cultural issues?

― crüt, Monday, December 25, 2017 11:15 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

+1

― call all destroyer, Monday, December 25, 2017 8:18 PM (one hour ago)

i was having trouble grasping some of the issues others were bringing up but i'm starting to understand and am now trying to avoid defaulting to obtuse defensiveness whenever people criticize or otherwise bemoan the song. here are bits of some posts in another thread that got me thinking a bit more, not just about the song itself but about other developments in pop...:

They took a beloved celeb & had her do the 30th no flocking freestyle over Asap ferg “work” beat & gave it a million dollar rollout which is more than they’d invest in any female artist famous for u know creativity or style or innovation or anything beyond charisma & the masses of lames who get their rap marching orders from rap caviar decided it was the best female rap record ever made or something. Boring

...

She’s been hugely famous before she had a recording career. Was the obvious breakout star on love & hip hop & iirc appeared on fader before she’d even recorded a mixtape. She was a significant instagram celeb before reality tv. ... She got a million dollar deal at Atlantic when no other female rappers are getting deals at that level, because she was a proven star. ... it’s unquestionable that labels thought she was a better bet than literally any other rapper bc she was already a proven public personality
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40)

labels are even more into signing people with already existing celebrity these days even if it’s more “notoriety” than anything else. the whole “let the police reports act as the one sheets” wave, bhad bhabie, etc. i know i know pia zadora put out albums too but there’s something much more craven about this edition of it

― maura

dyl, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 05:45 (six months ago) Permalink

I voted for Okay, and I meant #2 on ILX, but it was a joking ref to fkappy bird on another thread + my own baseless hunch that traxx wd come down to this & DNA

(Though I believe lex had it as his #2 single of the year)

the man from P.O.R.L.O.C.K. (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 05:48 (six months ago) Permalink

A lot of criticisms in this thread feel really weird imo

the man from P.O.R.L.O.C.K. (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 05:49 (six months ago) Permalink

fyi there are no attendant cultural issues u can just decide whether you like the song or not

flopson, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 05:49 (six months ago) Permalink

i voted great and my feelings on it roughly align with map's even if i know deep down it's not ~really~ an outsider song or w/e

and yes part of its appeal is that "she" (aka she + the label machinery) managed a meteoric rise from a position that it's safe to say most don't particularly respect (stripper/'instathot')

dyl, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 05:57 (six months ago) Permalink

Meh. Nice to see a female rapper hit #1, but I don't find the song particularly compelling and I'm not otherwise invested in her as a personality.

Beret McKesson (jaymc), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 06:05 (six months ago) Permalink

(I don't find it compelling as a piece of music, I should say.)

Beret McKesson (jaymc), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 06:08 (six months ago) Permalink

i am not really bothered by the perhaps-excessive attention this song has commanded in the recent year-end lists, but it does bug me that the majority of accompanying writeups, even from outlets that ordinarily pretend not to care about such things, make sure to mention its most distinctive chart feat, i.e. that it's the first solo female rapper #1 since 1998 when lauryn hill did it. (and i wonder if they would even bother mentioning it if someone less respected than lauryn had been the last.)

dyl, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 06:16 (six months ago) Permalink

i'm a charts nut myself but really, when you wanna write about how great you supposedly think a song is, you should really write about the song!

dyl, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 06:17 (six months ago) Permalink

Annoying

flappy bird, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 06:20 (six months ago) Permalink

i only ever remember the first 2 lines of this song... i think it's pretty good but otherwise overrated. as far as new york hits the last several years i like it less than "hot n*gga," "ooouuu," "milly rock," a boogie "my shit" etc

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 26 December 2017 06:42 (six months ago) Permalink

c'mon 'bodak yellow' is better than 'my shit'

flopson, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 07:02 (six months ago) Permalink

'ooouu' seems like a good comparison; loved it last year but couldn't remember how it sounded until i put it on just now, mayyy not recall bodak a year from now lol

flopson, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 07:04 (six months ago) Permalink

As someone who doesn’t live in the US the only exposure I can get to Bodak Yellow must be self inflicted. I’ve listened to it 5 times since October and I don’t have the faintest clue why it’s so popular in the US. I still don’t remember a single thing about it nor am I inclined to listen to it another time.

A year from now you’ll all be joinining me as noone will remember this forgettable piece of trap.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 07:16 (six months ago) Permalink

lol @ 'self inflicted'

flappy bird, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 07:17 (six months ago) Permalink

i don't really listen to this type of music, but i feel like it doesn't stand out from what little i've heard. and while i found it pretty catchy (and occasionally striking, like when she rapped about her vagina) it also seemed kind of flat. i would rather just listen to gangsta boo, trina, remy ma, etc etc etc instead. maybe i'm just old. actually i know i'm old, and that's the ultimate old person stance to take a new music. whatever, i voted ok song.

also flopson and call all destroyer otm i think.

the late great, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 07:23 (six months ago) Permalink

i know the artists i named have different styles from cardi b (and each other) so i don't mean to draw too strong a comparison. just naming some artists that appeal to me more. it sounds like from what people are saying here she has this huge personality but it doesn't really come through for me in this song.

the late great, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 07:28 (six months ago) Permalink

i am curious

She’s been hugely famous before she had a recording career. Was the obvious breakout star on love & hip hop & iirc appeared on fader before she’d even recorded a mixtape. She was a significant instagram celeb before reality tv. ... She got a million dollar deal at Atlantic when no other female rappers are getting deals at that level, because she was a proven star. ... it’s unquestionable that labels thought she was a better bet than literally any other rapper bc she was already a proven public personality
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40)

how does this work? is she like super-good at social media or something?

the late great, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 07:29 (six months ago) Permalink

She was a pro stripper & Instagram girl who was hugely popular & conveyed tons of personality thru online video before getting picked up for love & hip hop, which propelled her even higher cuz she was such an obvious star & also kind of outspoken

This thing went viral, where she tells off Peter gunz (yes that Peter gunz)

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4023vn

fwiw I find her pretty likeable, the notion that she’s somehow the best female rapper out & should be deified as an artist ultimately sells short hip hop as an art form imo, in order to prop her up

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 07:40 (six months ago) Permalink

She was a pro stripper & Instagram girl who was hugely popular & conveyed tons of personality thru online video before getting picked up for love & hip hop, which propelled her even higher cuz she was such an obvious star & also kind of outspoken

This thing went viral, where she tells off Peter gunz (yes that Peter gunz)

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4023vn

fwiw I find her pretty likeable, the notion that she’s somehow the best female rapper out & should be deified as an artist ultimately sells short hip hop as an art form imo, in order to prop her up

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 07:40 (six months ago) Permalink

Damn double post

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 07:41 (six months ago) Permalink

haha lol he got roasted

the late great, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 07:43 (six months ago) Permalink

As someone who doesn’t live in the US the only exposure I can get to Bodak Yellow must be self inflicted. I’ve listened to it 5 times since October and I don’t have the faintest clue why it’s so popular in the US. I still don’t remember a single thing about it nor am I inclined to listen to it another time.

haha, this is v otm - it takes some effort to follow the US scene in this regard

a song as forgettable as Black Beatles for me

niels, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 09:14 (six months ago) Permalink

black beatles >>>>> bodak yellow

ufo, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 09:16 (six months ago) Permalink

yeah I hear a lot of rap out (not in usa) & haven't heard this song until now, when I'm streaming it chez moi. looks like it hit #70 on the chart here. usa rap does fine here, "black beatles" hit #2.

droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 09:28 (six months ago) Permalink

im not at all surprised its popular, its built on the gulf between rap smashes & pop smashes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE_-obgiWm0

and the fact that a massive portion of the population has no idea what this song is, and another smaller portion (though still huge... 123 million views huge) treated it as one of the most important songs of the last 5 years

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 10:08 (six months ago) Permalink

not putting myself through reading the shitty opinions on this thread, this song is great

a Rambo in curved air (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 10:15 (six months ago) Permalink

if i see you and i don't hemiola, that means i don't fuck with you

(the blues version in his Broadway show) (crüt), Sunday, 14 January 2018 23:58 (six months ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Monday, 15 January 2018 00:01 (six months ago) Permalink

'not a good song' outnumbers 'great song'!

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 15 January 2018 00:15 (six months ago) Permalink

if i see you and i don't hemiola, that means i don't fuck with you

― (the blues version in his Broadway show) (crüt), Sunday, January 14, 2018 5:58 PM (twenty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

my whole point about him doing something 'rhythmically unique' that ppl would pick up on was absolutely validated by how rap music played out over the next 5 years fwiw

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 15 January 2018 00:23 (six months ago) Permalink

^true

mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 15 January 2018 00:29 (six months ago) Permalink

I mean, if you can boil the insane and hilarious small opinions of deej into one larger big picture opinion, then yes

mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 15 January 2018 00:30 (six months ago) Permalink

no way. show me even one time that Migos have used a hemiola, D-40.

(the blues version in his Broadway show) (crüt), Monday, 15 January 2018 00:31 (six months ago) Permalink

I think Migos doing their entire career on an offbeat flow is somewhat validating for D-40

mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 15 January 2018 00:32 (six months ago) Permalink

song of the year + great song + good song = 55
okay song + meh song = 45
not a good song + terrible song + worst song of the year = 30
(other 3)

dyl, Monday, 15 January 2018 00:45 (six months ago) Permalink

i do think of the migos as kind of a keef mumblerap counterpoint fwiw, their typewriter style coded as kinda 'lyrical' to ppl who didn't like slurred mumbling which ended up defining so many other rappers of this era (uzi yachty playboi carti 21 et al)

i do think famous dex & post-dex music (lil pump) was a kind of uniting of the keef style blueprint w/ the migos rat-tat-tat style hooky pop sound; meanwhile rappers like dudes in detroit chicago LA pushed further w/ the rhythmically loose narrative style that retained some connection to the basic beat but kept things unpredictable. all these guys retain a more keef-like swing w/ the groove than lil b (who obv fathered keef to some degree)

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 15 January 2018 01:28 (six months ago) Permalink

here's noted anti-keef partisan bdot three years after keef identifying the 'offbeat' rap trend:

is rhyming off beat the new on beat?

— brian b.dot™ miller (@bdotTM) January 16, 2015

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 15 January 2018 01:30 (six months ago) Permalink

anyway i dont mean to distract from the cardi b results which are not bad imo

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 15 January 2018 01:31 (six months ago) Permalink

Gonna be interesting to see where this places on ilx's top 77 poll

josh az (2011nostalgia), Monday, 15 January 2018 04:45 (six months ago) Permalink

Number one obviously

✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 15 January 2018 06:34 (six months ago) Permalink

i'm gonna call "good song" as the likely winner here btw
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses)

#nohemiola

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Monday, 15 January 2018 15:51 (six months ago) Permalink

d40 being right about chief keef's influence and d40 being insane about chief keef aren't mutually exclusive

bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 15 January 2018 17:22 (six months ago) Permalink

What exactly is insane abt what I’m saying ?

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 15 January 2018 17:26 (six months ago) Permalink

i'm just winding u up
this was hilarious

that shit is like what you guys imagine im saying any time i bring up chief keef

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, January 14, 2018 5:22 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 15 January 2018 17:37 (six months ago) Permalink

hemiolaphiliac
hemiola and the masters of the universe
hemioohla la la

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Monday, 15 January 2018 17:40 (six months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Get Up 10 is fire

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 6 April 2018 14:36 (three months ago) Permalink

Get Up 10 is FIIIIYAAHHHHHHH

alpine static, Saturday, 7 April 2018 00:12 (three months ago) Permalink

it's dreams & nightmares

ANU (sisilafami), Saturday, 7 April 2018 07:58 (three months ago) Permalink

No shit Sherlock

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 7 April 2018 14:28 (three months ago) Permalink

I listened to the first 3/4 of it on the way into work this morning and I'm pretty sure I like every track on it more than Bodak Yellow.

Matt DC, Monday, 9 April 2018 11:58 (three months ago) Permalink

Caity Weaver GQ profile

https://www.gq.com/story/cardi-b-invasion-of-privacy-profile

Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2018 13:16 (three months ago) Permalink

this album is so so good. I listened to it probably five times this weekend. such a great mix of guests and styles. I get that Cardi's not as dexterous on the mic as somebody like Nicki but she turns that into a strength. her technical limitations just help her come across as more real and relatable and more convincing. her words really mean something too, like I love puns and punchlines and references and insider slang and she does have some of that but something like "Be Careful" is just so beautifully direct.

evol j, Monday, 9 April 2018 14:31 (three months ago) Permalink

Jesus you don't argue with The Barbz or the Cardi hardcore.

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/cardi-b-nicki-minaj-rivalry

piscesx, Monday, 9 April 2018 19:14 (three months ago) Permalink

I mean, pitting the only two current black female rap superstars against each other and defending it by saying "this is freedom of speech as its most fundamental level" is hugely NAGL, but this does not deserve death threats.

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 9 April 2018 19:24 (three months ago) Permalink

album is really good. that it appeals even to Joan Crawford herself, an aging shut-in, means it will probably irritate a lot of people who spend/have the time to be up on all the hot new stuff that hasn't bubbled up yet but as so much music listening is pretty much pure hedonism/healing for me right now...these beats are fucking righteous, the "all right all right" loop in "Bickenhead" is great, this is like a perfect spring record imo

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 17:26 (three months ago) Permalink

the "all right all right" loop in "Bickenhead" is great,

ftr:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XaUiMcDFZs

had (crüt), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 17:30 (three months ago) Permalink

noted

"be careful" is fuckin good

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 17:31 (three months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqbu8hH25TI

ANU (sisilafami), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 20:25 (three months ago) Permalink

surprise i looooooove the kehlani track

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 18:44 (three months ago) Permalink

Half of this is a terrific album.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 18:46 (three months ago) Permalink

the kehlani collab is definitely among the highlights for me

it's a solid collection! def wanna spend more time w/ it

dyl, Thursday, 12 April 2018 01:59 (three months ago) Permalink

Whenever Bartier Cardi comes on I get so blown away at first and I think "wow why didn't I love this when it first came out?" and then 21 Savage comes on and I realize "oh wait that's why"

josh az (2011nostalgia), Thursday, 12 April 2018 04:54 (three months ago) Permalink

Great album tho

josh az (2011nostalgia), Thursday, 12 April 2018 04:55 (three months ago) Permalink

cardi's so cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX5_o-mumvE

after party for the apocalypse (Ross), Monday, 16 April 2018 18:35 (three months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Damn her records good. Thru your phone is dope. She deserves a new thread tbf

Ross, Thursday, 10 May 2018 17:38 (two months ago) Permalink

probably still my AOTY right now, though Tracey Thorn and US Girls aren't far behind.

evol j, Thursday, 10 May 2018 18:14 (two months ago) Permalink

ppl still intimidated by azealia banks in 2018
http://www.vulture.com/2018/05/cardi-b-deletes-instagram-following-azealia-banks-fight.html

brackEt, Sunday, 13 May 2018 19:23 (two months ago) Permalink

Why would she even respond? Let alone delete her IG acct. afterward? So weird

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Sunday, 13 May 2018 20:50 (two months ago) Permalink

Huge amount of pressure for someone pregnant to be under. Probably good she is stepping away.

... (Eazy), Sunday, 13 May 2018 21:28 (two months ago) Permalink

It's May 2018. I've never heard this song, and at this point prob won't. Seeya

albvivertine, Thursday, 17 May 2018 03:49 (two months ago) Permalink

Records perfect other than the chance collab - it sucks

Depressed and impressed (Ross), Thursday, 17 May 2018 14:07 (two months ago) Permalink

still fairly stunned at how *solid* this whole album is

i'm living inside Money Bag rn

alpine static, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 00:55 (one month ago) Permalink

Awesome record

Music is confidence (Ross), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 03:27 (one month ago) Permalink

Cardi has infinite amounts of personality

Music is confidence (Ross), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 03:27 (one month ago) Permalink


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