PHOEBE BRIDGERS - what's the deal?

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my brother just told me about her. many comparisons to elliott smith, i don't hear it in the guitar playing but definitely the vocals, especially the phrasing, the way they're double/triple tracked, lyrically too. this song is really great, production is fantastic, particularly the sound effects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM1t8H_PE78

flappy bird, Monday, 27 November 2017 07:34 (three years ago) link

on first listen, i was like "whatevs" but then i returned, liked it more, and kept returning.

i think she's good, but that song "motion sickness" is an instant classic, man.

alpine static, Monday, 27 November 2017 08:26 (three years ago) link

motion sickness is a gem yeah

In a slipshod style (Ross), Monday, 27 November 2017 08:30 (three years ago) link

just listened to Motion Sickness 20 times in a row lol

alpine static, Saturday, 2 December 2017 00:41 (three years ago) link

oh my god... motion sickness...

flappy bird, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 01:48 (two years ago) link

lol otm

alpine static, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 07:26 (two years ago) link

Same as Alpine, keep returning to this. It's eclipsed the long awaited Julien Baker album for me.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 08:46 (two years ago) link

four weeks pass...

i immediately connected with this on the strength of the songwriting and now i'm discovering all the lovely details in the production too. completely agree with all the love for motion sickness

her version of you missed my heart is better than kozelek's original too

ufo, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 12:03 (two years ago) link

I think she is good ... almost in a way that I am suspicious of ... because I like it too much or too easily? (I think this is what people feel about ALVVAYS.)

Actually, more specifically, I slightly distrust the songwriting I have heard: ticking too many generic attitude boxes. Yet what she does, she does very well, I know. And maybe other songs I have not heard would give me a different view.

She sounds a bit uncannily like Kathleen Edwards - whom I have long admired a lot.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 13:58 (two years ago) link

funny that you mention Edwards because to me it's the new Waxahatchee that sounds just like her.

evol j, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 15:09 (two years ago) link

Anna Tivel has some Kathleen Edwards in her, too. maybe she is a bigger influence on young songwriters than anyone realized. (which would be a good thing.)

alpine static, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 15:47 (two years ago) link

Edwards is terrific! (In her own generic way, familiar yet with intelligent and crafted twists.)

the pinefox, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 16:03 (two years ago) link

I heard a bit of this on the NYT Popcast (a bit from Funeral) when they were doing their end of year thing and was really struck by it by but didn't go back to it until I heard her name come up today. It's not subtle or oblique enough for the Elliott Smith comparisons but there's definitely a huge gut punch factor in it, and the ambient/production touches going on are so great.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Thursday, 11 January 2018 18:09 (two years ago) link

only elliott smith thing that stuck out like a sore thumb was the second line in 'scott street': "open heart, open container." the song doesn't sound that much like 'st. ides heaven,' but the instrumentation + the melodic sensibility really highlights it. other than that I don't hear it.

flappy bird, Thursday, 11 January 2018 18:21 (two years ago) link

heard "motion sickness" for the first time recently and it really struck me. that first verse is just one of those verses, enough odd little details and turns of phrase to catch me off guard a bit. her vocals are lovely and the touches in the production especially as it swells just so toward the end are really haunting and great.

haven't spent much time with the album yet but i enjoyed it and am looking forward to living with it a bit.

dyl, Friday, 12 January 2018 01:36 (two years ago) link

it's so fuckin' good, man

alpine static, Friday, 12 January 2018 04:23 (two years ago) link

one thing about Motion Sickness ... album version is one of the songs of 2017 for me ... but if you go looking for some of the sessions she has played (like Paste, Tiny Desk ... something else, can't remember) she plays it a little slower, and she tends to slow it down even more on the bridge, and then she emphasizes the slight rhythmic and melodic change in the "I have emotional motion" line after the bridge ... and it's awesome.

well, here's the TIny Desk version, which has piano and vocal harmony with it, unlike, say, the Paste one:

https://youtu.be/-hLJNZSIwP8?t=3m34s

gives me chills, man

alpine static, Friday, 12 January 2018 04:36 (two years ago) link

oh my god

https://youtu.be/H37WARFESUE

alpine static, Friday, 12 January 2018 04:41 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

oh my god... motion sickness...

― flappy bird, Wednesday, December 6, 2017 1:48 AM (one month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

pretty much here now.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 12:35 (two years ago) link

everyone who hears it gets there eventually.

alpine static, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:53 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

Weirdly disappointed to learn that the boyfriend who shells out for expensive hypnotherapy, sings in an English accent and was in a band when PB was born is (supposedly) Ryan Adams.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 08:04 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

Motion sickness, damn

after party for the apocalypse (Ross), Sunday, 15 April 2018 15:30 (two years ago) link

i saw her live recently. it was a really good show!

dyl, Sunday, 15 April 2018 15:36 (two years ago) link

i heard "smoke signals" on the radio and it was v good, gave some julien baker vibes. other songs havent really clicked for me immediately

21st savagery fox (m bison), Sunday, 15 April 2018 16:12 (two years ago) link

seven months pass...

mordy and i both have this as one of our top albums of the year, if not the album of the year

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 00:41 (two years ago) link

just wanted to give it some more publicity before people vote on their year end things

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 00:42 (two years ago) link

this album, or boygenius?

austinb, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 00:57 (two years ago) link

alright i am hearing reports that this came out last year

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 00:57 (two years ago) link

lol

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 00:58 (two years ago) link

i learned about it this year at the same time as boygenius. the boygenius one is a favorite of mine as well.

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 00:58 (two years ago) link

Treeship what do you think of the new Girlpool

flappy bird, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 04:57 (two years ago) link

this was one of the best albums of last year, glad that she's getting more exposure from all the boygenius excitement

ufo, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 05:16 (two years ago) link

agreed ^

moreso than I did a year ago, I think Stranger In The Alps is a legit long-haul classic

alpine static, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 07:31 (two years ago) link

and by that i just mean it still sounds so good and feels like it's getting better, even after what must be, idk, 60+ listens?

alpine static, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 07:32 (two years ago) link

I also missed out on this last year and probably would've put it at the top of my list this year if I could. Love boygenius and their whole coming together but this album is.. some album.

abcfsk, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 08:03 (two years ago) link

i only heard it right at the end of last year when going through my backlog for eoy season but it instantly went to near the top of my list, an immediate classic to me. so many delightful moments - the "falling" bass on "smoke signals", the way the bridge goes into the final chorus on "motion sickness", that synth choir line near the end of "scott street", when the guitar comes in a minute into "georgia"

thinking about it now it's fairly similar in feeling to this year's kacey musgraves album - singer-songwriter with gorgeous arrangements and lots of beautiful ambience filling up the space

ufo, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 08:30 (two years ago) link

just to clarify what i was saying: i loved it a year ago, too. put it in the second half of my top 10, i believe.

but you know how a year or two or five later, some of the records in your top 10 kinda fade away and you don't reach for them as much, while a few come into focus as the ones you keep returning to? Alps is one of those for me, at least right now.

so is last year's Manchester Orchestra album.

alpine static, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 08:44 (two years ago) link

I like Phoebe Bridgers a lot and really hate the Julien Baker I've heard which makes the Boygenius album effectively useless for me.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 10:27 (two years ago) link

Hating Julien Baker seems.. cruel. But there are several Boygenius tracks that don't sound like Baker tracks.

abcfsk, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 11:50 (two years ago) link

Funeral kills me every time. It never doesn't make me tear up a little.

husked, tonal wails (irrational), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 15:24 (two years ago) link

Yeah. She is just remarkably talented as a songwriter.

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 15:45 (two years ago) link

I like Phoebe Bridgers a lot and really hate the Julien Baker I've heard which makes the Boygenius album effectively useless for me.

― Matt DC, Tuesday, December 4, 2018 3:27 AM (ten hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

phoebe's presence in the boygenius stuff is wayyy heavier than julien's imo, outside of "stay down" there isn't really a typical julien baker moment on the ep

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 21:09 (two years ago) link

imo "motion sickness" is a perfect song, rest of stranger in the alps is pretty good

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 21:10 (two years ago) link

I also missed out on this last year and probably would've put it at the top of my list this year if I could. Love boygenius and their whole coming together but this album is.. some album.

year of impact rule means i get to vote for this

Mordy, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 04:16 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

Weirdly disappointed to learn that the boyfriend who shells out for expensive hypnotherapy, sings in an English accent and was in a band when PB was born is (supposedly) Ryan Adams.

― in twelve parts (lamonti), Tuesday, March 6, 2018 2:04 AM (ten months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I just heard this song for the first time and I fucking hate the shit out of Ryan Adams, this is just amazing songwriting....

some of these lines are ice cold, damn love it:

And why do you sing with an English accent
I guess it's too late to change it now

You said when you met me you were bored
And you, you were in a band when I was born

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 11 January 2019 19:12 (one year ago) link

this is my album of the year even tho it came out in 2017 and consequently i will not be voting for it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Mordy, Friday, 11 January 2019 19:15 (one year ago) link

Ryan is great, but yes, that last line in particular is an all-time great dig xp

alpine static, Friday, 11 January 2019 19:16 (one year ago) link

knowing that song is about ryan adams makes it 1) funnier, then 2) more upsetting

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Friday, 11 January 2019 19:28 (one year ago) link

album is much better than i gave it credit for upthread but i've also been depressed

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Friday, 11 January 2019 19:30 (one year ago) link

yeah that was great, whole album live

abcfsk, Sunday, 13 September 2020 08:18 (two months ago) link

Some really beautiful versions on CBS too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7sYhuYroHo

abcfsk, Sunday, 13 September 2020 10:14 (two months ago) link

I don't know if this was linked before and it's a year and a half old, but this boygenius performance is off the hook amazing, particularly the take on Me and My Dog.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96wDhimQ6nw&t=1018s

akm, Monday, 14 September 2020 14:38 (two months ago) link

hm

https://youtu.be/96wDhimQ6nw

akm, Monday, 14 September 2020 14:39 (two months ago) link

literally every time i watch them play Me & My Dog (in any session, not just this one ^) I get the shivers when Phoebe screams her part at the end

i must be nearly 2 years and, i dunno, 40 or 50 views in?

alpine static, Monday, 14 September 2020 21:36 (two months ago) link

three weeks pass...

this record's production sounds significantly fuller and better on my proper headphones than earbuds, haven't encountered this level of discrepancy between those in recent memory

ciderpress, Friday, 9 October 2020 18:19 (one month ago) link

i've been playing dead
my whole life
and i get this feeling
whenever i feel good
it will be the last time.

treeship., Tuesday, 20 October 2020 19:52 (one month ago) link

this album is an out and out masterpiece

treeship., Tuesday, 20 October 2020 19:53 (one month ago) link

one uncomfortable thing about her songwriting is how literally autobiographical it is. i always kind of resisted songwriting like that, and appreciated how bob dylan, even at his most confessional, would disguise his experiences in several layers of myth, just enough to give the people in life plausible deniability (somewhat not really).

however, the literalism of bridgers' lyrics seem essential to the enterprise. something about affirming the absolute reality of one's biography in an era when our identities are spread across tech platforms and like political affiliations. which is another way of saying the album feels very grounded, in a way that might have seemed naive if every song didn't hit so hard and true.

treeship., Tuesday, 20 October 2020 19:59 (one month ago) link

How does this new album compare to her earlier Stranger in the Alps? I couldn't click with that one, even as I recognized her obvious talent.

Langdon Alger Stole the Highlights (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 20:13 (one month ago) link

the production is more ambitious.

treeship., Tuesday, 20 October 2020 20:16 (one month ago) link

xp i think there's still a layer of myth here, or at least a fascination with urban legend that keeps it just outside of "absolute reality"

ciderpress, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 20:18 (one month ago) link

fwiw I almost gave up on Stranger in the Alps after four or five listens, but two songs from it came up on shuffle relatively close together and they both wowed me and that was the key to unlocking it.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 20:22 (one month ago) link

for me, the song that sold me was "Motion Sickness."

when i learned it was about ryan adams, i was disappointed at first. it felt gossipy or something. but then i thought more about it and realized it was still a great song and an honest song. i don't think she was trying to trash him in it -- even though that would have been her prerogative, i don't think that would have made for a good song. but it's really about her experience, being disillusioned with some charismatic jerk she was infatuated with and still despite herself misses. (i've been there).

this, though, probably stung ryan adams, especially in a song that is so much better than anything he's ever written:

And why do you sing with an English accent
I guess it's too late to change it now

treeship., Tuesday, 20 October 2020 20:40 (one month ago) link

I very rarely -- "Sara" an exception, maybe -- felt Dylan was an autobiographical or confessional a songwriter.

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 20:44 (one month ago) link

blood on the tracks is about his divorce. but he tells the story in a refracted way.

treeship., Tuesday, 20 October 2020 20:45 (one month ago) link

it's my favorite album.

treeship., Tuesday, 20 October 2020 20:45 (one month ago) link

and the distance is part of what makes it work. or that tension -- you know, "is this him talking again or is he singing from the perspective of some rambler in the old west"?

treeship., Tuesday, 20 October 2020 20:47 (one month ago) link

Mine too, but at the risk of pedantry, I'd say it's "an album in which a guy and his wife divorce." Dylan isn't even much of a storyteller: he shares jokes, plagiarizes Americana, quotes Scripture, steals his ideas about women from Westerns.

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 20:48 (one month ago) link

sure, he takes you on a journey, but "finds in it, after all, a place for the genuine."

treeship., Tuesday, 20 October 2020 20:51 (one month ago) link

'if you see her say hello' and 'shelter from the storm' - the heart of the album - don't feel like pastiche.

treeship., Tuesday, 20 October 2020 20:52 (one month ago) link

Agree.

Back to Bridgers!

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 20:55 (one month ago) link

people use "refracted" to describe clever, nonlinear narratives in art as if the common experience of refraction is to look at your hand through a swarovski crystal dolphin in sunlight. oooooo. but our most common experiences with applied refraction are through corrective or camera lenses, which aim to give just an accurate image of reality.

The Beige of Dadz (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 21:01 (one month ago) link

good point

treeship., Tuesday, 20 October 2020 21:05 (one month ago) link

write-in vote for "fractured"

assert (MatthewK), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 07:49 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

your favourite Punisher songs, now with strings! https://phoebebridgers.bandcamp.com/album/copycat-killer

this version of Kyoto is gorgeous.

Roz, Thursday, 12 November 2020 01:54 (three weeks ago) link

it doesn't work very well to me, the vocals feel quite detached from the backing. maybe they should have slowed it down a little?

ufo, Thursday, 12 November 2020 01:56 (three weeks ago) link

sappier sickly string arrangements def not what i want from my phoebe bridgers :(
(you too, julien baker!)

sean gramophone, Thursday, 12 November 2020 03:00 (three weeks ago) link

the strings sound great on the album version of “savior complex”

la table sur la table (voodoo chili), Thursday, 12 November 2020 03:58 (three weeks ago) link

Yeah, that sample track doesn't make me feel really excited about this EP. But it's okay, can't blame her for playing around with something during the pandemic, and the original album is still getting plenty of spin around here.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 12 November 2020 13:38 (three weeks ago) link

Sounds real nice to me. Rob Moose is a wonderful arranger

flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 12 November 2020 15:45 (three weeks ago) link

Really into "Kyoto" recently. Not sure why it took so long to go from "solid tune I hear on the radio" to "could cry just thinking about."

swing out sister: live in new donk city (geoffreyess), Thursday, 12 November 2020 15:52 (three weeks ago) link

She just released a cover of Iris by Goo Goo Dolls with Maggie Rogers helping out on harmonies:

https://phoebebridgers.bandcamp.com/track/iris

Judging by every cover she has made in the past year or so, I think she should really consider doing a proper covers album.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 13 November 2020 05:31 (three weeks ago) link

lol @ the cover art

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Friday, 13 November 2020 13:26 (three weeks ago) link

Really into "Kyoto" recently. Not sure why it took so long to go from "solid tune I hear on the radio" to "could cry just thinking about."

― swing out sister: live in new donk city (geoffreyess), Thursday, November 12, 2020 10:52 AM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink

it's unbelievable to me this album is only a few months old. kyoto and chinese satellite in particular feel like songs i've known for years.

treeship., Sunday, 15 November 2020 21:27 (two weeks ago) link

Seems «Iris» has been taken down?

Mule, Sunday, 15 November 2020 23:09 (two weeks ago) link

It was a one-day-available deal

assert (MatthewK), Sunday, 15 November 2020 23:10 (two weeks ago) link

Ah, it was a 24 hour benefit thing, apparently.

Mule, Sunday, 15 November 2020 23:14 (two weeks ago) link

it sold an amazing amount during that one day -- 28,000 copies in the us, which is ~double or more what the top-selling digital download tends to pull in a typical week these days

dyl, Monday, 16 November 2020 00:09 (two weeks ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRyvr6h3nHw

here's it if anyone missed it

it's better than the original

ufo, Monday, 16 November 2020 02:18 (two weeks ago) link

I like how this thread title evokes a Seinfeld-ish stand-up bit...

“First there was Courtney Barnett... she was pretty good! Like if Sheryl Crow had a few Nirvana CDs and a reliable weed connection! Then there was Soccer Mommy... when I first heard her, I thought Liz Phair was trying to sneak back into the industry under an assumed name! And now this Phoebe lady... what’s the deal??”

it's AG in your faaaace.... (morrisp), Monday, 16 November 2020 03:00 (two weeks ago) link

This is why it happened

if trump loses I will cover iris by the goo goo dolls

— traitor joe (@phoebe_bridgers) November 3, 2020

I wonder if it was recorded already and she was just waiting for an occasion to drop it

Johnny Fever, Monday, 16 November 2020 04:06 (two weeks ago) link

i like it but it is not better than the original

dyl, Monday, 16 November 2020 04:57 (two weeks ago) link

it's better than the original

Yeah, this is just silly.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 16 November 2020 05:00 (two weeks ago) link

needs more nick cage

foopin posts and pissin shits (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 16 November 2020 05:53 (two weeks ago) link

How’s this for a fun fact:

«Rzeznik named the song after country folk singer-songwriter Iris DeMent, after he noticed her name in a concert listing in the LA Weekly newspaper.»

Mule, Monday, 16 November 2020 07:13 (two weeks ago) link

i've never really liked "iris", it's too overwraught, so i was quite impressed by how bridgers made it sound like she could have written it, i much prefer her arrangement

ufo, Monday, 16 November 2020 09:44 (two weeks ago) link

The original is one of those songs you just have to give in to, imo. I tried to resist when I was a sullen teenager, but lost the fight pretty quick.

Mule, Monday, 16 November 2020 09:58 (two weeks ago) link

The original is one of those songs you just have to give in to, imo. I tried to resist when I was a sullen teenager, but lost the fight pretty quick.

Mule, Monday, 16 November 2020 09:58 (two weeks ago) link

The original video for Iris is weird, having now just paid attention to it for the first time ever.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Monday, 16 November 2020 12:10 (two weeks ago) link


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