Love Will POLL Us Apart – Joy Division – New Order Solo or other groups Poll (aka the Electronic poll) – Artist Poll #37 A New Order supplement poll (Voting is open until Friday, Dec. 8, 2017)

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New Order happened to be my first artist poll on ILM. I really didn’t know what the hell I was doing. I was comparing the Talking Heads poll to this poll and was thinking about what I would do differently? It was the sub polls that I got wrong, so I was thinking what the hell.

A pre and post New Order supplement poll:

Ballot Part Number One (mandatory or Part Two) - Your Top 10 Joy Division tracks (or less: min. 3). Please order your list with #1 at the top and #10 at the bottom, no need to number them. I will take unranked lists, just clearly state that yours is unranked.

Ballot Part Two (mandatory or Part One) – Your Top 10 Solo or other group tracks (or less min 3) – This list includes but not limited to: Electronic, Revenge, The Other Two, Monaco, Bad Lieutenant, Peter Hook and The Light and/or Freebass.

A Redo [b]Ballot Part Three (optional) - Your Top 7 Albums or less (min. 3). You can rank anything and in any order. For instance you might think that Electronic is better than Closer or that Low Life is still the best thing since slice bread. Yes, this part is about Joy Division, New Order and the best solo albums overall. I will accept compilations here so it will be interesting to see how something like Substance stacks up.

Send ballots to: neworderpoll AT gmail dot com. Please include your user name.
Voting is open until Friday, December 8, 2017 Midnight Los Angeles time zone (Pacific time).

Bee OK, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 03:02 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Electronic fans rejoice!

Bee OK, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 03:03 (three weeks ago) Permalink

damn, messed that up. there are Three Parts.

Bee OK, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 03:04 (three weeks ago) Permalink

See that girl she's over there
I don't need her she don't care

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 03:10 (three weeks ago) Permalink

are Ceremony and In A Lonely Place eligible as Joy Division tracks?

this should be fun

ufo, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 04:11 (three weeks ago) Permalink

ceremony is the best

In a slipshod style (Ross), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 04:12 (three weeks ago) Permalink

are Ceremony and In A Lonely Place eligible as Joy Division tracks?

no restrictions, if you want to vote for it on the Joy Division side be my guest. i do understand why they would get votes.

Bee OK, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 04:20 (three weeks ago) Permalink

please also include your user name when you send in a ballot

Bee OK, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 04:36 (three weeks ago) Permalink

got the date added to post.

Bee OK, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 14:49 (three weeks ago) Permalink

thanks mods!

Bee OK, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 14:50 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Three ballots are already in. Yes this is happening

Bee OK, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 21:12 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Taking a moment to point out how much more awesome the versions of songs from Joy Division's second Peel session are than the Hannett-produced versions. The album versions of "Colony," "24 Hours" and "Sound of Music" just don't compare.

lingereffect (Kent Burt), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 02:26 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Electronic is an interesting band for me. i saw them open for Depeche Mode at Dodger Stadium back in the day. a friend of mine had the album but i never bought it. so i have never given them a fair shake. now re-listening to the debut i'm wondering if i did that all wrong?

Bee OK, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 14:54 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I dunno, I bought it at the time, it's OK, but.

Mark G, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 15:52 (three weeks ago) Permalink

the Electronic debut still holds up decently, it's certainly much better than every New Order album that followed it. I don't remember much about the others though and haven't revisited them yet.

does anyone rate any other solo projects much at all?

ufo, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 16:14 (three weeks ago) Permalink

The first Electronic album is one of the best New Order-related albums (including NO, JD etc). Almost as consistent as 'Technique'.

Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 16:15 (three weeks ago) Permalink

'Raise the Pressure' had a few great tracks ("Forbidden City" "For You") and some good ones. The Other Two have 2 classic singles ("Tasty Fish" and "Selfish"). Hooky has one and a half good songs ("What Do You Want from Me" and "Happy Jack")

Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 16:18 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Other Two stuff has aged very badly though

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 17:42 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Electronic and Technique are Bernard Sumner's peak.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 17:52 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Raise the Pressure is mostly awful, though.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 17:53 (three weeks ago) Permalink

What Do You Want From Me by Monaco is right up there with the best of the 'solo' stuff. Pottsy even sounds like Barney.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 18:27 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Electronic and Technique are Bernard Sumner's peak.

Absolutely.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 18:30 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Also want to rep for some stuff off Twisted Tenderness. Vivid and Make It Happen are both good songs.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 18:46 (three weeks ago) Permalink

What about guest appearances? I love Out of Control by the Chemical Brothers w/ Bernard singing. Higher than a Skyscraper is my fav Hooky guest appearance.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 19:35 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Absolutely, It's solo so it does count

Bee OK, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 21:51 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Sumner hasn't written and sung as well as he did on Technique and Electronic

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 22:46 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Some Distant Memory should win this comfortably

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 23:01 (three weeks ago) Permalink

just listened to both "Out of Control" and "Higher Than A Skyscraper" for the first time. love these kind of recommendations. i like the Hybird song more.

Bee OK, Thursday, 23 November 2017 01:57 (three weeks ago) Permalink

There's also Didn't Know What Love Was with Hot Chip. It was pretty good but I haven't played it in a long time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyKoGPUX_Gc

He sang on Beat Club's Security and on 808 State's Spanish Heart. Both are decent, but probably won't make my top 10.

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 23 November 2017 02:10 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Really like his vocal on This Time I'm Not Wrong by Sub Sub

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbDr88sBI3s

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 23 November 2017 02:15 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Crystal was first released as a Bernard Sumner guest vocal for Corvin Dalek. It's very good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egnlo4oUmXg

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 23 November 2017 02:22 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i love this Sub Sub song!

Bee OK, Thursday, 23 November 2017 02:27 (three weeks ago) Permalink

His guest vocal with Westbam was strange. The verse at 1min is sung completely differently than anything he's done before. It reminds me of someone else, but i can't place it. Also LOL at 'Bernhard'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzsNBVMoJo0

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 23 November 2017 02:28 (three weeks ago) Permalink

and really, really like Hot Chip and that song is good but not great.

Bee OK, Thursday, 23 November 2017 02:33 (three weeks ago) Permalink

this was fun Brotherlovesdub, i really haven't heard any of these songs.

Bee OK, Thursday, 23 November 2017 03:08 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Taking a moment to point out how much more awesome the versions of songs from Joy Division's second Peel session are than the Hannett-produced versions. The album versions of "Colony," "24 Hours" and "Sound of Music" just don't compare.

this is interesting, if you want to include what version you are voting for please do. i will do my best to say what is what but the points will be added to just the one song.

Bee OK, Thursday, 23 November 2017 03:24 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I can just see the Top 10 being all Joy Division songs, really.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 23 November 2017 06:57 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I don’t get this poll what are we supposed to be voting for?

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 23 November 2017 07:49 (three weeks ago) Permalink

xpost
As I understand it the first poll is just Joy Division tracks and the second poll is NO side projects but not including JD.

Dan Worsley, Thursday, 23 November 2017 09:09 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Are productions included in the side project polls as there's a few cuts on here I'd be tempted to vote for.

Dan Worsley, Thursday, 23 November 2017 09:13 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Ah right, should have read the OP - good job it isn't a combined thing or the non-Joy Division stuff would just get lost.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 23 November 2017 18:50 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Are productions included in the side project polls

Yes, you can include productions credits

Bee OK, Friday, 24 November 2017 18:42 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I don’t get this poll what are we supposed to be voting for?

Part 1: Joy Division

Part 2: Anything that a member of New Order has done but not inducing anything from New Order. This is for anything that Bernard Sumner, Peter Hook, Stephen Morris or Gillian Gilbert has been involved in outside New Order and Joy Division.

Part 3: Ranking albums, including New Order example:

1. Technique
2. Unknown Pleasures
3. Electronic...

Bee OK, Friday, 24 November 2017 18:49 (two weeks ago) Permalink

hope that helps if i was a bit confusing.

Bee OK, Friday, 24 November 2017 18:52 (two weeks ago) Permalink

xxpost

Great, in which case this is going to be very high on my ballot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iRypDlgnSs

Dan Worsley, Friday, 24 November 2017 18:53 (two weeks ago) Permalink

that is a pretty good song.

Bee OK, Saturday, 25 November 2017 18:00 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The problem with doing the JD work is that it's small, and there are about a dozen songs that tower above everything, so it's just a question of the order. I would like to make a case for 2, perhaps not usually put in that canon. First is Heart and Soul, that fabulous womb-like thing. Existence; what does it matter? It still sounds like the future to me. Then there's Warsaw, the best example of Curtis' early, angrier voice, barking out concentration camp numbers or something, and some compelling guitar slashing.

Dr X O'Skeleton, Sunday, 26 November 2017 20:30 (two weeks ago) Permalink

xpost
Taking a moment to point out how much more awesome the versions of songs from Joy Division's second Peel session are than the Hannett-produced versions. The album versions of "Colony," "24 Hours" and "Sound of Music" just don't compare.

I was thinking of some of the versions on Les Bains Douches too, These Days in particular

Dr X O'Skeleton, Sunday, 26 November 2017 20:34 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Happy belated Thanksgiving you yanks, meanwhile there is a new poll.

Bee OK, Monday, 27 November 2017 14:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink

it's nice a gloomy out today, so today is a good day for Substance Joy Division.

Bee OK, Tuesday, 28 November 2017 14:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink

We will talk off line there, countdown will start mid week next week so there should be plenty of time...

Bee OK, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 18:04 (one week ago) Permalink

opened up a bottle of wine tonight and going to try and put a Top 10 Joy Division ballot together right now.

Bee OK, Thursday, 7 December 2017 01:09 (one week ago) Permalink

life is good!

Bee OK, Thursday, 7 December 2017 01:09 (one week ago) Permalink

this is hard

Bee OK, Thursday, 7 December 2017 02:44 (one week ago) Permalink

all i have been doing is listening to either Joy Division or Electronic for the last two and a half weeks. putting this in order is the hard part and i'm previewing the song now as well.

Bee OK, Thursday, 7 December 2017 02:58 (one week ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjZX4byAFCg

Bee OK, Thursday, 7 December 2017 04:48 (one week ago) Permalink

Does Joy Division's Peel Sessions (i.e. the Complete BBC recordings) count as an album?

https://www.discogs.com/Joy-Division-The-Complete-BBC-Recordings/master/23225

NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 7 December 2017 08:06 (one week ago) Permalink

So all Friday 8th we can still vote, yeah?

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 7 December 2017 10:38 (one week ago) Permalink

That 98 tour.. man. Funny to look back now and remember it as the last time the 'With Hooky' line up were still all getting along. It was also great (IMO) that they had got back together to just do a few shows rather than punting a new album. I saw the NYE show a few months later but yeah the Reading show is the best record of that tour, Vince Power made room for them in the second-to-last-band-of-the-night slot behind Garbage(!) after Phoenix Festival (where they were due to headline) went tits up. It was the show that made Justine Frischmann want to turn Elastica into a synth-band-with-guitars so she says! Even the first few minutes with Barney talking to the crowd brings the hairs up. The version of Isolation is amazing. Supposedly Shirley Manson said "how the fuck are we gonna follow that" when they came on afterwards..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJjkU9bTqlU

piscesx, Thursday, 7 December 2017 12:31 (one week ago) Permalink

I went to that. Was a bit confused about the Garbage headline thing cos I had no recollection of that, but I looked at the line up poster and I went to see Spiritualized headline the tent after New Order. The line up pictures online also have Curve playing that day in the tent but they definitely did not.

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 7 December 2017 13:14 (one week ago) Permalink

I own that '98 show on DVD and it's a barnstormer. I actually whooped Barney style when they did "Paradise."

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 December 2017 13:16 (one week ago) Permalink

So sad/weird that they didnt play Regret on their last tour

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 7 December 2017 14:38 (one week ago) Permalink

Does Joy Division's Peel Sessions (i.e. the Complete BBC recordings) count as an album?

Sure, if you want to vote for this l can include that as an album in that part of the rollout

Bee OK, Thursday, 7 December 2017 18:25 (one week ago) Permalink

the update of "True Faith" with the house piano break is marvelous.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 December 2017 18:26 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah thanks for posting this. I’d never seen this. They are on fire. So good to see the sheer joy of playing again songs they’ve played thousand of times (eg Stephen Morris singing along behind keyboards on BLT)

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 7 December 2017 18:46 (one week ago) Permalink

So all Friday 8th we can still vote, Yeah?

Yes.
I'm going to leave it open all weekend, we need the ballots.

Bee OK, Thursday, 7 December 2017 22:23 (one week ago) Permalink

Thanks man, want to contribute but don't have the time tomorrow (moving house)

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 7 December 2017 22:25 (one week ago) Permalink

Thanks - will submit a ballot this weekend!

lingereffect (Kent Burt), Friday, 8 December 2017 04:23 (six days ago) Permalink

i will send out confirmation emails starting tonight.

Bee OK, Friday, 8 December 2017 14:55 (six days ago) Permalink

I own that '98 show on DVD and it's a barnstormer. I actually whooped Barney style when they did "Paradise."

I have that video too, but got it for the '81 show and it never even occurred to me watch the other one, having been really disappointed when I saw them in '89. Will definitely check it out now after seeing that Heart and Soul clip. Not a fan of the Barney whoops though.

early rejecter, Friday, 8 December 2017 15:41 (six days ago) Permalink

I have not even received double digit ballots yet, so if you are thinking about voting please, please, please vote as this poll desperately needs voters. Even if you only have a three song ballot of Joy Division songs please send it along.

Bee OK, Friday, 8 December 2017 20:19 (six days ago) Permalink

I sent my ballot about an hour ago. Outside of maybe three or four songs, my JD ballot could have contained just about anything depending on the day.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 8 December 2017 20:40 (six days ago) Permalink

Good news, the ballots are starting to roll in. Keep voting!

Bee OK, Friday, 8 December 2017 23:18 (six days ago) Permalink

conformation emails are starting to be sent out, if you voted you will get one in the next few minutes to the next hour.

Bee OK, Saturday, 9 December 2017 02:28 (five days ago) Permalink

VOTING IS STILL OPEN

Bee OK, Saturday, 9 December 2017 03:08 (five days ago) Permalink

I'll throw one together in the next hour or so

Vinnie, Saturday, 9 December 2017 04:29 (five days ago) Permalink

after the first 5 choices it became really hard. all my stuff is very particular to me and not at all cannon

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 9 December 2017 04:52 (five days ago) Permalink

I really like “thieves Li

calstars, Saturday, 9 December 2017 04:57 (five days ago) Permalink

11:31 PM
12/8/2017

a very depressing day

Bee OK, Saturday, 9 December 2017 07:32 (five days ago) Permalink

(i'm a SF Giants fan)

Bee OK, Saturday, 9 December 2017 07:39 (five days ago) Permalink

sorry got caught up with work. just sent it, hope it's not too late

Vinnie, Saturday, 9 December 2017 12:14 (five days ago) Permalink

As an early voter, it doesn't bother me if the entry period is extended.

Spencer Chow, Saturday, 9 December 2017 17:12 (five days ago) Permalink

I threw one in but didn't get confirmation yet

i know kore-eda (or something), Saturday, 9 December 2017 17:15 (five days ago) Permalink

I'm going to leave it open all weekend
This wasn't a joke, I hope? Will send mine tonight (CET). Part one done.

dorsalstop, Saturday, 9 December 2017 17:53 (five days ago) Permalink

not a joke.

Voting has been extending to Sunday Night

Bee OK, Saturday, 9 December 2017 19:32 (five days ago) Permalink

I put Tighten Up as my number one. I vividly remember rewinding the tape over and over to hear that song again and again. It sounded like Bigmouth crossed wirh Shellshock (86-87 era Pettibone mixed tracks) and delivered on the sound in my head when I heard Johnny and Bernard were working together. These days the intro sounds terribly dated but the vocals and guitars are great. Bad Lieutenant played it on tour, but I never heard a decent recording of it. It’s a shame these songs from the Electronic catalog are going unplayed. Johnny played a couple on his last tour but his voice is as bad as Hooky’s and nobody really wants to hear that.

brotherlovesdub, Saturday, 9 December 2017 19:35 (five days ago) Permalink

I didn't even mind that the sound was slightly fusty even in summer '91.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 9 December 2017 19:56 (five days ago) Permalink

"Dated" isn't pejorative to me, by the way

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 9 December 2017 19:57 (five days ago) Permalink

Terminal lurker ballot sent under duress. Amazing that after all these years, the effort of picking favorites among JD songs still provokes emotional tugging.

Albums I wish New Order had tried to make:

1984 instrumental album with the long version of 5-8-6 on one side, the long version of Elegia on the other, allowing room for the long version of Perfect Kiss on Low Life
Some sort of dub collaboration with someone like augustus pablo, sly and robbie, etc. digging deeper into confusion, blue monday, etc. more melodicas? slow stuff down?
A full video album's worth of mid 80s live in the studio versions, after they saw the success of the perfect kiss. Demme should have made an anti-Stop Making Sense with them - black and white, no audience, no funny business, no guests, multiple retakes until each song was got right.
An early 90s unplugged album of the hits. Love the slow version of Regret by Afghan Whigs and, yes, the much maligned Frente cover. So some stuff like that sung by bernie (True Faith and Temptation might be good like this) mixed with some campfire singalong style stuff - Love Vigilantes could work well with chugging acoustic guitars or a country strum.
A late 90s live album of JD songs including redoing Sister Ray, the '87 version annoys me. Gang of Four and Mekons' punk re-does were kind of pointless, but sounded good, so I'd be interested in a whole album of Bernie singing Ian's songs, provided the backing still had some teeth from Hook.

Probably all of these would be crap if they actually happened but I like to think about these things.

The full warsaw tape should get released with the sound quality of the three tracks on the box set. I particularly like the versions of Novelty and Transmission. Also, the 1980 no-guitar-overdub versions of Only Mistake and the Kill would be nice, the unimproved version of Walked In Line was interesting to hear.

mig (guess that dreams always end), Saturday, 9 December 2017 20:17 (five days ago) Permalink

sent out another round of conformation emails. if you have voted you should have one.

Bee OK, Saturday, 9 December 2017 22:56 (five days ago) Permalink

this is shaping up to be a great poll, hope we can get just a few more...

Bee OK, Saturday, 9 December 2017 22:57 (five days ago) Permalink

VOTING IS STILL OPEN

Bee OK, Saturday, 9 December 2017 22:57 (five days ago) Permalink

Thanks for extending the deadline. Voted.

the future is now, Sunday, 10 December 2017 03:05 (four days ago) Permalink

I sent mine off a few days ago but haven't received a confirmation email so I'm resending just to be safe

ufo, Sunday, 10 December 2017 03:57 (four days ago) Permalink

I put Tighten Up as my number one. I vividly remember rewinding the tape over and over to hear that song again and again. It sounded like Bigmouth crossed wirh Shellshock (86-87 era Pettibone mixed tracks) and delivered on the sound in my head when I heard Johnny and Bernard were working together.

agreed, great song (though I didn't submit a part 2 ballot)

crüt, Sunday, 10 December 2017 04:00 (four days ago) Permalink

1984 instrumental album with the long version of 5-8-6 on one side, the long version of Elegia on the other, allowing room for the long version of Perfect Kiss on Low Life

I love those long versions, but more as background/concept pieces rather than album length ideas. And I never understood the need for the edited version of Perfect Kiss, other than their insistence on not having singles on albums. Why not have "Face Up" closing Side 1 and the eight minute "Perfect Kiss" closing Side 2?

A late 90s live album of JD songs including redoing Sister Ray, the '87 version annoys me. Gang of Four and Mekons' punk re-does were kind of pointless, but sounded good, so I'd be interested in a whole album of Bernie singing Ian's songs, provided the backing still had some teeth from Hook.

Have you seen this TV performance by Peter Hook and the Light?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cSe-1Dpv8o

It's the closest thing to the Martin Hannett productions coming to life on stage (as opposed to what JD live really sounded like). The vocals are an abomination for the most part, but the music sounds great.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 10 December 2017 10:54 (four days ago) Permalink

i'm a bit worried about lost ballots after what ufo said, so if you did not get a confirmation email, please send again.

Bee OK, Sunday, 10 December 2017 19:12 (four days ago) Permalink

ONLY A FEW HOURS LEFT TO VOTE

Bee OK, Sunday, 10 December 2017 19:13 (four days ago) Permalink

Sent!

lingereffect (Kent Burt), Sunday, 10 December 2017 21:07 (four days ago) Permalink


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