Nah, I totally get what Doran was saying. Like this is what has rendered R. Kelly totally unlistenable to me, when he's singing about all that freak sex stuff you now know exactly what sort of person he's doing it to. His music is inseparable from the person. There's a reason why Michael Jackson's "Childhood" creeped people out where his other music didn't. Gary Glitter wrote a sports anthem with no real lyrics and had virtually no hits otherwise. When I hear it I don't really think "Oh no, Gary Glitter..."
― frogbs, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:21 (six years ago) link
Gary Glitter wrote a sports anthem with no real lyrics and had virtually no hits otherwise.
LOL Americans
― Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:23 (six years ago) link
https://genius.com/Gary-glitter-rock-and-roll-part-2-lyrics
this is killing me
― the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:23 (six years ago) link
Cageian.
― Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:24 (six years ago) link
Yeah, what Tom D said - Glitter had several huge hits here, including the one where he repeatedly asked if you (the listener) wanted to be in his "gang" ...
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:26 (six years ago) link
Let's not forget the one where he asked if you wanted touch him. Where? There.
― Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:27 (six years ago) link
yeesh
― the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:27 (six years ago) link
You should hear his albums.
― Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:28 (six years ago) link
I'm gonna pass on that one
― the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:29 (six years ago) link
i only listen to the version by philadelphia industrial rock legends executive slacks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgTHmlVmP78
― scott seward, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:29 (six years ago) link
as you Tom already said, the Glitter Band was way better
― the intentional phallusy (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:30 (six years ago) link
re Gary Glitter - would suggest avoiding "Happy Birthday"
― Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:30 (six years ago) link
"I wouldn't buy any of Glitter's records new because of the financial implications but I'll still listen to them on YouTube, buy them from a second hand record shop or download them for free."
John Doran, honourary member of Gary Glitter's gang
― JB, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:31 (six years ago) link
what the fuck is your problem you shit wannabe wight dorke
― imago, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:32 (six years ago) link
don't feed the raccoon.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:34 (six years ago) link
hahaha that must be the quickest I've ever disregarded my own advice
― imago, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:36 (six years ago) link
I actually don't own any Gary Glitter albums but, in theory I wouldn't have a problem in buying them second hand. I listened to Rock And Roll part one a load of times when I was reading Simon Reynolds' glam book and researching an interview with him. It's an astonishing record.
― Doran, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 20:22 (six years ago) link
Wasn't the Glitter sound mainly down to Mike Leander anyway?
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 20:32 (six years ago) link
Yeah, sure absolutely. That's absolutely what my fascination is about.
― Doran, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 20:35 (six years ago) link
I think Mike Leander played most of the instruments on those early Gary Glitter records too.
― Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 21:29 (six years ago) link
glitter so lazy; probably also had other people molest children for him too
― akm, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 22:02 (six years ago) link
i used to really like rock'n'roll christmas when i was a kid
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 22:03 (six years ago) link
i like 'doctorin the tardis' more than Rock N Roll
― akm, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 22:06 (six years ago) link
Thought of another one which is not cool:
Wyclef Jean accused of stealing money from Haiti charity fund
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/wyclef-jean-faces-criminal-probe-over-haiti-charity-8209814.html?amp
http://www.factmag.com/2016/02/15/wyclef-jean-reddit-ama-haiti-yele/amp/
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 16 November 2017 00:41 (six years ago) link
i owned a gary glitter 10" once but i spilled liquor on it and threw it away
― brimstead, Thursday, 16 November 2017 02:18 (six years ago) link
Most spirits have a pH around 7, close to water, and should pose no threat to Gary Glitter records
― ur-oik (rip van wanko), Thursday, 16 November 2017 03:35 (six years ago) link
Those Gary Glitter glam singles sound incredible imo. An amped up metaller version of Lennon's Spector era records.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 November 2017 04:10 (six years ago) link
cardiacs, ugh
― mookieproof, Thursday, 16 November 2017 04:20 (six years ago) link
lol
― imago, Thursday, 16 November 2017 11:12 (six years ago) link
The thing about those early Gary Glitter singles is that they were as much of an influence on a certain generation of artists as David Bowie's glam stuff was. I'm thinking acts like the first incarnation of The Human League (who covered one of his songs in the early '80s) and Depeche Mode, amongst other new wave/synthpop/New Romantic acts.
I've seen recent interviews with Heaven 17's Glenn Gregory and Depeche Mode's Martin Gore where, when asked about their early influences, cite that early Gary Glitter stuff, but you can tell they're shocked and very much embarrassed by this - not because of anything to do with the music itself, but the actions of the person who fronted those records.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 16 November 2017 20:28 (six years ago) link
^^^Spot on. I think prior to H17, Gregory (and Ware) worked with Glitter on a track for B.E.F. They described him to me as "a lunatic"... just generally speaking, no hint of the utter wrongness.
― Doran, Thursday, 16 November 2017 21:58 (six years ago) link
huh I hadn't made the connection to DM, HL and other NewRos, but you sure can hear his stuff in the Chinn/Chapman productions, the Runaways/Joan Jett, tons of poppier punk/metal stuff going into the 80s
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 November 2017 22:01 (six years ago) link
And beyond on other English bands like Earl Brutus and The Fall.
― Doran, Thursday, 16 November 2017 22:12 (six years ago) link
Adam & the Ants.
― Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Thursday, 16 November 2017 22:13 (six years ago) link
Yeah, BEF put Gary in the studio with the Glitter Band, they had never recorded together.
― Mark G, Friday, 17 November 2017 00:07 (six years ago) link
G&M's Russell Smith picking up the counterpoint:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/good-art-by-bad-people-why-it-shouldnt-be-thrown-away/article37006883/
― doug watson, Friday, 17 November 2017 15:08 (six years ago) link
Yeah, Adam and the Ants too. Basically, if you got rid of all the music those early singles influenced, it'd leave a huge black hole in pop music.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Friday, 17 November 2017 15:13 (six years ago) link
lol, what did Adam and the Ants do? I have no knowledge of them.
― how's life, Friday, 17 November 2017 15:19 (six years ago) link
ruined a picnic
― President Keyes, Friday, 17 November 2017 15:23 (six years ago) link
Ruined Eve.
― nickn, Friday, 17 November 2017 17:32 (six years ago) link
Explains the lack of pants
― Evan, Friday, 17 November 2017 18:02 (six years ago) link
I couldn't disown The Smiths as they made some of the best pop music ever (cliched but true!) and Johnny Marr's contributions are generally my favourite aspect of the group's songs anyway. Different story with Morrissey's career but I don't think I'd even like it much if he hadn't made the racist comments he has.
R Kelly is a difficult one for me. Knowing just some of the details regarding his repugnant behaviour doesn't stop me enjoying some of the songs, albeit a little less predisposed towards them than beforehand. I suppose I definitely find it easier to disown bad behaviour if I haven't known the artist's songs for years before finding out about it.
― Custard Cream, Friday, 17 November 2017 19:43 (six years ago) link
Adam and the Ants being another new wave act influenced by Gary Glitter, obviously.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Friday, 17 November 2017 19:54 (six years ago) link
*have known the artist's songs
― Custard Cream, Friday, 17 November 2017 19:56 (six years ago) link
they held up a carriage at gunpoint iirc
― President Keyes, Friday, 17 November 2017 19:58 (six years ago) link
don't drink don't smoke, what did they do?
― "Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Saturday, 18 November 2017 13:22 (six years ago) link
subtle innuendo follows
must be something inside
not sure how awful but a buddy of mine witnessed steven tyler go over to a girl at a restaurant and sit down next to her, pretending to be upset that she'd snapped a pic of him, then he was getting in her personal space and squeezing her and kissing her on the cheeks and she eventually got up and left, visibly uncomfortable, without eating any of her food. i saw some photos he took of it, she was "laughing it off" in the way that many women have described their reactions to unwanted advances but he was really, really in her space in a bad way. and at first my friend thought he was a crazy random sexual offender and not a rock star, he recognized him after a couple minutes.
― omar little, Saturday, 18 November 2017 20:13 (six years ago) link
the idea of it taking a couple of minutes to discern Steven Tyler is befuddling! but that sounds like a Steven Tyler move from what ive heard
― ur-oik (rip van wanko), Saturday, 18 November 2017 20:28 (six years ago) link