Albums you own or used to own from artists that turned out to be awful people.

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed

With all the sex scandals going on in 2017: what artists do you regret supporting after finding out they were creeps, racists, assholes, trump supporters, criminals, pedophiles, drug dealers, killed a dog, etc...

Do you like them so much that you separate the art from the artists and enjoy their music despite their fuckups? Or is everything they ever did ruined?

Top of my mind: the ignition remix of r kelly was a classic for me until I found out all the fucked up shit he was in and I cant really listen to that song anymore.

Not in the same league of awful but I hate how much of an asshole Kanye West is and it affects my enjoyment of his music.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 12 November 2017 10:19 (one week ago) Permalink

Another one I can think of right now is Ariel Pink who I always considered interesting in style until reports of sexual abuse and overall hate towards women came out.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 12 November 2017 10:27 (one week ago) Permalink

Miles Davis is a case of someone whose music I love despite him being an insufferable prick and his very racist and terrible comments (like saying he would spend his last hypothetical living hour choking a white man)

✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 12 November 2017 10:37 (one week ago) Permalink

an hour seems like a long time to spend choking someone, in practice I think he would have got bored after a few minutes

thirst trap your hare (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 12 November 2017 12:01 (one week ago) Permalink

I was going to make the effort of getting more Roy Harper beyond "Bullinamingvase" but all the scandal happened and it put me off. He eventually was found to be not guilty but by then the moment passed. It might come back, who knows..

Mark G, Sunday, 12 November 2017 12:03 (one week ago) Permalink

I was going to say none but, now I come to think of it, I'd just started listening to some Kim Fowley albums (or trying to) when the stories about his abuse of members of the Runaways began to break - I haven't listened to them since, though I suspect if they'd been any good I might have. I'd always known the guy was a talentless dick though and found the hero worship of him by a lot of people on the indie scene fairly nauseating.

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Sunday, 12 November 2017 12:17 (one week ago) Permalink

Done with Genesis P Orridge after hearing that in Cosey's book she writes about him abusing animals, stopped me reading her book too.

MaresNest, Sunday, 12 November 2017 12:19 (one week ago) Permalink

I read that book, don't remember that bit, I remember him abusing Cosey though.

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Sunday, 12 November 2017 12:22 (one week ago) Permalink

It was in a review somewhere, I've been wanting to read the book.

MaresNest, Sunday, 12 November 2017 12:23 (one week ago) Permalink

I think there is something about him being horrible to Cosey's cat or dog or something.

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Sunday, 12 November 2017 12:26 (one week ago) Permalink

Art Sex Music you mean? Still on my stack of books to read, too.

Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 12 November 2017 12:34 (one week ago) Permalink

xp jesus that excerpt

Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 12 November 2017 12:37 (one week ago) Permalink

uhhhh

imago, Sunday, 12 November 2017 13:11 (one week ago) Permalink

quite a few of the country blues guys I like from the 20s and 30s killed people and got up to other stuff which is pretty awful by most measures. I don't think that's part of the appeal, but there are definitely some songs that have a certain sort of poison in which is pretty intense.

I'm not sure if there are people who have become better/reflected on things when they couldn't make a living off their art, or if the attention an artist has gotten has fed into their destructive behaviour, but I don't see stopping listening to something as much of a corrective. I think these things are mostly about the effect on the listener. Also I think making art can be a good thing for Awful People to do

ogmor, Sunday, 12 November 2017 13:42 (one week ago) Permalink

I've got a couple of (good) Gaslamp Killer albums. I guess he hasn't been convicted yet.

chap, Sunday, 12 November 2017 13:43 (one week ago) Permalink

xp

Skip James comes to mind.

calzino, Sunday, 12 November 2017 13:58 (one week ago) Permalink

I'm not sure if there are people who have become better/reflected on things when they couldn't make a living off their art, or if the attention an artist has gotten has fed into their destructive behaviour, but I don't see stopping listening to something as much of a corrective. I think these things are mostly about the effect on the listener. Also I think making art can be a good thing for Awful People to do

Seems OTM to me

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Sunday, 12 November 2017 15:55 (one week ago) Permalink

I can't see myself listening to that Ducktails l.p. I really liked again.

kraudive, Sunday, 12 November 2017 16:46 (one week ago) Permalink

I will listen to TG again. What's that about?

kraudive, Sunday, 12 November 2017 16:47 (one week ago) Permalink

Gen's whole thing is often nasty. He never hid it.

kraudive, Sunday, 12 November 2017 16:48 (one week ago) Permalink

Another one which I used to love is the debut from Crystal Castles. Always suspected Ethan was awful but not to that degree. I’m still conflicted about it because some of their songs are really good.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 12 November 2017 17:01 (one week ago) Permalink

several rock n roll artists liked underage girls a bit too much: Elvis, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis...

You might remember Chuck did prison time for having sex with a 14 year old and then for videotaping women in bathrooms in his restaurant. Seems people forget how much of a creep he was...
there’s an interesting NPR article about it:
https://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2015/07/15/422964981/the-cruel-truth-about-rock-and-roll

✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 12 November 2017 17:14 (one week ago) Permalink

I hate that I can reconcile drawing the line for some artists and not others. I guess it really depends on how much I liked them before I learned their stories, and that's a bullshit excuse.

I've never given a damn about R. Kelly. When people flip over Ignition (Remix), I roll my damn eyes.

But Bowie or Marvin Gaye or John Lennon or Jimmy Page? I fucking hate myself that I still freely listen to them all.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 12 November 2017 17:18 (one week ago) Permalink

re: Jerry Lee Lewis

This story about the death of his wife got waaaaay buried over the years, because I only learned about it a few months ago. He probably got away with an actual murder.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/the-strange-and-mysterious-death-of-mrs-jerry-lee-lewis-19840301

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 12 November 2017 17:20 (one week ago) Permalink

What did Bowie do?

chap, Sunday, 12 November 2017 17:23 (one week ago) Permalink

What the fuck? how is that story not more famous?

I’ve never liked John Lennon myself, even as a kid most of the Lennon songs felt icky to me, his whole hippie schtick ‘all you need is love’ mantra never fooled me.

Jimmy Page also conflicts me because what he was doing was terrible, pretty much raping and abusing an underage girl. But I like LZ music too much.

Wait what did Bowie and Gaye do? I’m not sure I want to know... this thread was a bad idea

✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 12 November 2017 17:28 (one week ago) Permalink

I’ve never liked John Lennon myself, even as a kid most of the Lennon songs felt icky to me, his whole hippie schtick ‘all you need is love’ mantra never fooled me.

That his better songs are generally his more abrasive is no coincidence.

chap, Sunday, 12 November 2017 17:30 (one week ago) Permalink

Phil Spector, definitely. He's universally hailed as one of the greatest producers of all time, but he actually killed someone! Plus he has a large history of being an abusive prick who pulls out a gun when women refuse his advances

But I still really like everything on Back to Mono? Idk, maybe it's mitigated by the fact that he was just the guy twiddling knobs in the background and never the star of the show like Ronnie Spector

josh az (2011nostalgia), Sunday, 12 November 2017 18:00 (one week ago) Permalink

Actually not everything on it - forgot about "he hit me," that ones inexcusable

josh az (2011nostalgia), Sunday, 12 November 2017 18:05 (one week ago) Permalink

lol

thread idea is kind of silly but lets run with it

whats more interesting is how many ppl refuse to believe that the artists they listen to did do contentiously awful/bad things

eg michael jackson and like probably over 50% of artists/musicians (if were counting sleeping with groupies and doing drugs)

i n f i n i t y (∞), Sunday, 12 November 2017 18:11 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah was going to mention Spector. There are songs like John Lennon’s Imagine which would have been huge with or without him and in the case of Let It Be he actually worsened the songs imho.

Not sure if the Ronettes would have been as huge without his touch though, he also wrote ‘be my baby’ iirc and that one’s their biggest hit.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 12 November 2017 18:15 (one week ago) Permalink

i remember reading in an interview (possibly playboy?) that bowie gave mccartney or lennon head or something at like age 12 which would make either of the other two older than 16

i n f i n i t y (∞), Sunday, 12 November 2017 18:18 (one week ago) Permalink

also laurel canyon scene in the 60s/70s was filled with dirty rumours

i n f i n i t y (∞), Sunday, 12 November 2017 18:19 (one week ago) Permalink

(X-post)

What? Sounds crazy.

Luna Schlosser, Sunday, 12 November 2017 18:24 (one week ago) Permalink

Sounds like bullshit to me.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Sunday, 12 November 2017 18:29 (one week ago) Permalink

of course it is ffs

Number None, Sunday, 12 November 2017 18:30 (one week ago) Permalink

Anyhow, I'm sure the correct answer to the thread title is "pretty much the majority of them"

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Sunday, 12 November 2017 18:31 (one week ago) Permalink

i remember reading in an interview (possibly playboy?) that bowie gave mccartney or lennon head or something at like age 12 which would make either of the other two older than 16

I understand ILM is not the New York Times, but maybe we need a bit more substantiation before making highly inflammable accusations that name names, based on an interview you "remember reading."

kornrulez6969, Sunday, 12 November 2017 18:33 (one week ago) Permalink

okay prince of wales

i n f i n i t y (∞), Sunday, 12 November 2017 18:34 (one week ago) Permalink

Any reason for 12 year old Brixton schoolboy, David Jones, to be hanging about in Liverpool in the late 50s?

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Sunday, 12 November 2017 18:45 (one week ago) Permalink

He maybe waiting for his man.

Mark G, Sunday, 12 November 2017 18:46 (one week ago) Permalink

Waiting for his nan, more like.

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Sunday, 12 November 2017 18:47 (one week ago) Permalink

My cousn’s good friend’s sister’s aunt said she read somewhere that all the Bowie stuff happened in Hamburg. So it’s settled.

kornrulez6969, Sunday, 12 November 2017 19:27 (one week ago) Permalink

I have two triple vinyl albums by Swans which set me back a fair whack and which I used to enjoy a lot and even still put on on occasion. but each time I do, i just can't separate the music from the man following the assault accusations against Michael Gira. As people have said upthread, there's a hypocrisy at work here, since I'll happily listen to music by a whole swathe of terrible people

Fox Mulder, FYI (dog latin), Sunday, 12 November 2017 19:30 (one week ago) Permalink

i love his records dearly but i have no doubt at all that john martyn was a deeply horrible man

plp will eat itself (NickB), Sunday, 12 November 2017 20:00 (one week ago) Permalink

led zeppelin

Week of Wonders (Ross), Sunday, 12 November 2017 20:05 (one week ago) Permalink

I'm still listening to Gary Glitter, to be honest, though the Glitter Band albums were much better.

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Sunday, 12 November 2017 20:15 (one week ago) Permalink

Cageian.

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:24 (five days ago) Permalink

Yeah, what Tom D said - Glitter had several huge hits here, including the one where he repeatedly asked if you (the listener) wanted to be in his "gang" ...

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:26 (five days ago) Permalink

Let's not forget the one where he asked if you wanted touch him. Where? There.

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:27 (five days ago) Permalink

yeesh

the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:27 (five days ago) Permalink

You should hear his albums.

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:28 (five days ago) Permalink

I'm gonna pass on that one

the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:29 (five days ago) Permalink

i only listen to the version by philadelphia industrial rock legends executive slacks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgTHmlVmP78

scott seward, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:29 (five days ago) Permalink

as you Tom already said, the Glitter Band was way better

the intentional phallusy (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:30 (five days ago) Permalink

re Gary Glitter - would suggest avoiding "Happy Birthday"

Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:30 (five days ago) Permalink

"I wouldn't buy any of Glitter's records new because of the financial implications but I'll still listen to them on YouTube, buy them from a second hand record shop or download them for free."

John Doran, honourary member of Gary Glitter's gang

JB, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:31 (five days ago) Permalink

what the fuck is your problem you shit wannabe wight dorke

imago, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:32 (five days ago) Permalink

don't feed the raccoon.

scott seward, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:34 (five days ago) Permalink

hahaha that must be the quickest I've ever disregarded my own advice

imago, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:36 (five days ago) Permalink

I actually don't own any Gary Glitter albums but, in theory I wouldn't have a problem in buying them second hand. I listened to Rock And Roll part one a load of times when I was reading Simon Reynolds' glam book and researching an interview with him. It's an astonishing record.

Doran, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 20:22 (five days ago) Permalink

Wasn't the Glitter sound mainly down to Mike Leander anyway?

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 20:32 (five days ago) Permalink

Yeah, sure absolutely. That's absolutely what my fascination is about.

Doran, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 20:35 (five days ago) Permalink

I think Mike Leander played most of the instruments on those early Gary Glitter records too.

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 21:29 (five days ago) Permalink

glitter so lazy; probably also had other people molest children for him too

akm, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 22:02 (five days ago) Permalink

i used to really like rock'n'roll christmas when i was a kid

-_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 22:03 (five days ago) Permalink

i like 'doctorin the tardis' more than Rock N Roll

akm, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 22:06 (five days ago) Permalink

Thought of another one which is not cool:

Wyclef Jean accused of stealing money from Haiti charity fund

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/wyclef-jean-faces-criminal-probe-over-haiti-charity-8209814.html?amp

http://www.factmag.com/2016/02/15/wyclef-jean-reddit-ama-haiti-yele/amp/

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 16 November 2017 00:41 (four days ago) Permalink

i owned a gary glitter 10" once but i spilled liquor on it and threw it away

brimstead, Thursday, 16 November 2017 02:18 (four days ago) Permalink

Most spirits have a pH around 7, close to water, and should pose no threat to Gary Glitter records

ur-oik (rip van wanko), Thursday, 16 November 2017 03:35 (four days ago) Permalink

Those Gary Glitter glam singles sound incredible imo. An amped up metaller version of Lennon's Spector era records.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 November 2017 04:10 (four days ago) Permalink

cardiacs, ugh

mookieproof, Thursday, 16 November 2017 04:20 (four days ago) Permalink

lol

imago, Thursday, 16 November 2017 11:12 (four days ago) Permalink

The thing about those early Gary Glitter singles is that they were as much of an influence on a certain generation of artists as David Bowie's glam stuff was. I'm thinking acts like the first incarnation of The Human League (who covered one of his songs in the early '80s) and Depeche Mode, amongst other new wave/synthpop/New Romantic acts.

I've seen recent interviews with Heaven 17's Glenn Gregory and Depeche Mode's Martin Gore where, when asked about their early influences, cite that early Gary Glitter stuff, but you can tell they're shocked and very much embarrassed by this - not because of anything to do with the music itself, but the actions of the person who fronted those records.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 16 November 2017 20:28 (four days ago) Permalink

^^^Spot on. I think prior to H17, Gregory (and Ware) worked with Glitter on a track for B.E.F. They described him to me as "a lunatic"... just generally speaking, no hint of the utter wrongness.

Doran, Thursday, 16 November 2017 21:58 (four days ago) Permalink

huh I hadn't made the connection to DM, HL and other NewRos, but you sure can hear his stuff in the Chinn/Chapman productions, the Runaways/Joan Jett, tons of poppier punk/metal stuff going into the 80s

Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 November 2017 22:01 (four days ago) Permalink

And beyond on other English bands like Earl Brutus and The Fall.

Doran, Thursday, 16 November 2017 22:12 (four days ago) Permalink

Adam & the Ants.

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Thursday, 16 November 2017 22:13 (four days ago) Permalink

Yeah, BEF put Gary in the studio with the Glitter Band, they had never recorded together.

Mark G, Friday, 17 November 2017 00:07 (three days ago) Permalink

G&M's Russell Smith picking up the counterpoint:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/good-art-by-bad-people-why-it-shouldnt-be-thrown-away/article37006883/

doug watson, Friday, 17 November 2017 15:08 (three days ago) Permalink

Yeah, Adam and the Ants too. Basically, if you got rid of all the music those early singles influenced, it'd leave a huge black hole in pop music.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Friday, 17 November 2017 15:13 (three days ago) Permalink

lol, what did Adam and the Ants do? I have no knowledge of them.

how's life, Friday, 17 November 2017 15:19 (three days ago) Permalink

ruined a picnic

President Keyes, Friday, 17 November 2017 15:23 (three days ago) Permalink

Ruined Eve.

nickn, Friday, 17 November 2017 17:32 (three days ago) Permalink

Explains the lack of pants

Evan, Friday, 17 November 2017 18:02 (three days ago) Permalink

I couldn't disown The Smiths as they made some of the best pop music ever (cliched but true!) and Johnny Marr's contributions are generally my favourite aspect of the group's songs anyway. Different story with Morrissey's career but I don't think I'd even like it much if he hadn't made the racist comments he has.

R Kelly is a difficult one for me. Knowing just some of the details regarding his repugnant behaviour doesn't stop me enjoying some of the songs, albeit a little less predisposed towards them than beforehand. I suppose I definitely find it easier to disown bad behaviour if I haven't known the artist's songs for years before finding out about it.

Custard Cream, Friday, 17 November 2017 19:43 (three days ago) Permalink

Adam and the Ants being another new wave act influenced by Gary Glitter, obviously.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Friday, 17 November 2017 19:54 (three days ago) Permalink

*have known the artist's songs

Custard Cream, Friday, 17 November 2017 19:56 (three days ago) Permalink

they held up a carriage at gunpoint iirc

President Keyes, Friday, 17 November 2017 19:58 (three days ago) Permalink

don't drink don't smoke, what did they do?

"Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Saturday, 18 November 2017 13:22 (two days ago) Permalink

subtle innuendo follows

"Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Saturday, 18 November 2017 13:22 (two days ago) Permalink

must be something inside

"Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Saturday, 18 November 2017 13:22 (two days ago) Permalink

not sure how awful but a buddy of mine witnessed steven tyler go over to a girl at a restaurant and sit down next to her, pretending to be upset that she'd snapped a pic of him, then he was getting in her personal space and squeezing her and kissing her on the cheeks and she eventually got up and left, visibly uncomfortable, without eating any of her food. i saw some photos he took of it, she was "laughing it off" in the way that many women have described their reactions to unwanted advances but he was really, really in her space in a bad way. and at first my friend thought he was a crazy random sexual offender and not a rock star, he recognized him after a couple minutes.

omar little, Saturday, 18 November 2017 20:13 (two days ago) Permalink

the idea of it taking a couple of minutes to discern Steven Tyler is befuddling! but that sounds like a Steven Tyler move from what ive heard

ur-oik (rip van wanko), Saturday, 18 November 2017 20:28 (two days ago) Permalink

"cardiacs, ugh

― mookieproof"

why? hasn't main guy from cardiacs been basically totally disabled for years and years?

akm, Sunday, 19 November 2017 15:30 (yesterday) Permalink

for almost the same length of time as 'bait lj' has been around tbh

imago, Sunday, 19 November 2017 15:31 (yesterday) Permalink

it's always with <3 from mookie though (i think)

imago, Sunday, 19 November 2017 15:32 (yesterday) Permalink


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.