Mansun - Six poll

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Since Paul Draper is all the rage in that other thread, decided to look back. I think I liked this album more than the debut, even if the debut got more acclaim.

Poll Results

OptionVotes
15. Being A Girl 5
8. Cancer - Mansun 4
14. Legacy 3
3. Shotgun - Mansun 2
1. Six - Mansun 2
9. (Interlude) 1
12. Television 1
11. (Part Two) 1
5. Anti Everything - Mansun 1
2. Negative - Mansun 1
10. Witness To A Murder (Part Two) 0
7. Serotonin - Mansun 0
13. Special/Blown It 0
4. Inverse Midas - Mansun 0
6. Fall Out - Mansun 0


Bee OK, Thursday, 5 October 2017 00:19 (two months ago) Permalink

wow, not on Spotify in the US at least. going to have to find my copy of the CD.

Bee OK, Thursday, 5 October 2017 00:21 (two months ago) Permalink

It *was* on Spotify until recently what it was replaced by "the best of Paul Draper" lol

Anyway I gotta go with "Being a Girl"

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 5 October 2017 00:24 (two months ago) Permalink

do we have a thread about songs that are just the same long chord sequence repeated without variation (beyond intensity), cause "Special/Blown It" is a great example of that

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 5 October 2017 00:29 (two months ago) Permalink

It *was* on Spotify until recently what it was replaced by "the best of Paul Draper" lol

this is too much. just looked it's like some kind of acoustic set that took the place of the real album. :rolleyes:

Bee OK, Thursday, 5 October 2017 01:46 (two months ago) Permalink

impossible this, mainly because of how the tracks are broken up. possibly Anti Everything though. christ it's amazing this record.

piscesx, Thursday, 5 October 2017 01:55 (two months ago) Permalink

This is between either 'Shotgun' and 'Being a Girl', but I haven't listened to this for years.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Thursday, 5 October 2017 05:56 (two months ago) Permalink

(Interlude) and (Part Two) are notation errors not tracks, so I guess the haters know what to vote for

imago, Thursday, 5 October 2017 07:22 (two months ago) Permalink

For my part, I shall be voting for Cancer

imago, Thursday, 5 October 2017 07:25 (two months ago) Permalink

This gets more acclaim than the debut these days btw; history has a funny way of rectifying things. Draper himself made a huge fuss over this record's 20-year anniversary having done nothing for the debut, in recognition of this being the one people still go on about. I guess the debut was for all its (considerable) charms just another Britpop record, whereas this is still unlike anything ever

imago, Thursday, 5 October 2017 07:29 (two months ago) Permalink

I've always considered Six to be their masterpiece but these days I find myself a bit more drawn to Attack Of the Grey Lantern. They're both great.

I don't think Little Kix is the disaster many make it out to be either, there's great songs on that one too, although it's certainly less coherent and special & there's certainly some mediocre stuff on there. I think the five 'even' tracks are the very good-to-great Little Kix tracks, the six 'odd' tracks I care less for.

Kleptomania, the box set they made out of what would have been the fourth album, is also overall very good IMO. I think it would have been a strong one if they'd finished production on it. 'Keep Telling Myself' in particular is excellent.

Mansun always had very, very good B-sides, they made it worth to collect their singles. The Kleptomania box set includes a B-sides album but I think there's some highlights missing there - I think it's actually possible to compile their best album out of b-sides, but that Kleptomania disc just isn't it.

Anyway, as for Six, it's got to be Being A Girl, but it's closely followed by several other tracks: Cancer, title track, Negative and of course Legacy.

Valentijn, Thursday, 5 October 2017 08:16 (two months ago) Permalink

IS THIS WHAT YOU WANTED IMAGO?

The Walter Mittyville Horror (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 5 October 2017 08:56 (two months ago) Permalink

i've blown it in every single way

imago, Thursday, 5 October 2017 08:59 (two months ago) Permalink

Finding it very hard to select just one. Many years ago it would have been Legacy, but now I'm not so sure.

Draper put in a very awkward, David Brent-like performance in Glasgow a few weeks ago, but it was worth it to hear I Can Only Disappoint U live. Little Kix may be a bit rubbish but I'd say it still gave them their best ever song.

PaulTMA, Thursday, 5 October 2017 11:11 (two months ago) Permalink

Decided to go for Shotgun in the end. Probably the most defining song of the album, for me

PaulTMA, Thursday, 5 October 2017 11:12 (two months ago) Permalink

This gets more acclaim than the debut these days btw; history has a funny way of rectifying things.

This has been the case since at least the very early '00s.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Thursday, 5 October 2017 11:22 (two months ago) Permalink

taking notes itt for next time one of you makes fun of bands like Foo Fighters, Coldplay or Black Keys

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 5 October 2017 12:39 (two months ago) Permalink

seriously give all 8 minutes of 'being a girl' (full version, not single version) a listen, or 'shotgun', or 'cancer', or 'television', or (lol) 'fall out', and then make that comparison with a straight face

imago, Thursday, 5 October 2017 12:46 (two months ago) Permalink

yeah whatever their flaws you can't accuse them of being MOR (not on this album, anyway)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 5 October 2017 12:48 (two months ago) Permalink

I love this album but haven't listened in a while. I'm thinking "Cancer" or "Legacy".

jmm, Thursday, 5 October 2017 12:52 (two months ago) Permalink

btw can anyone think of any other album where the first two singles were the last two tracks

imago, Thursday, 5 October 2017 12:55 (two months ago) Permalink

^ Squeeze's Cool For Cats album

PaulTMA, Thursday, 5 October 2017 13:40 (two months ago) Permalink

too hard. this album deserves better than this poorly formatted poll

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 5 October 2017 13:43 (two months ago) Permalink

xp whoa, great shout! lol 'up the junction' was a third single (the first two were pretty damn good as well tbf)

imago, Thursday, 5 October 2017 13:45 (two months ago) Permalink

As was S&T, but not the version that's on the LP.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Thursday, 5 October 2017 13:48 (two months ago) Permalink

seriously give all 8 minutes of 'being a girl' (full version, not single version) a listen, or 'shotgun', or 'cancer', or 'television', or (lol) 'fall out', and then make that comparison with a straight face

― imago, Thursday, October 5, 2017 7:46 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah whatever their flaws you can't accuse them of being MOR (not on this album, anyway)

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, October 5, 2017 7:48 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah sorry was kidding, there's no way these guys have a song as good as "monkey wrench" by foo fighters

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 5 October 2017 14:42 (two months ago) Permalink

too hard. this album deserves better than this poorly formatted poll

I took this from the Amazon listing, didn't think I needed to check it. Sorry about that.

Bee OK, Thursday, 5 October 2017 17:16 (two months ago) Permalink

i'm just messin

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 5 October 2017 17:34 (two months ago) Permalink

'Inverse Midas', 'Anti Everything', 'Fall Out' and 'Serotonin' combined often feels like one track to me instead of four different ones.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Thursday, 5 October 2017 17:43 (two months ago) Permalink

love this record. no idea what to vote, I guess legacy?

ciderpress, Thursday, 5 October 2017 17:47 (two months ago) Permalink

wtf:

The US release of Six restructured the track listing considerably at the behest of Epic Records. The chapters and interlude were removed and the running order was rearranged with "Legacy" and "Shotgun" swapped. More significant was the omission of "Inverse Midas" and "Witness to a Murder (Part Two)" both of which were composed by Dominic Chad. The full eight-minute recording of the title track is substituted for the Arthur Baker re-recording. Small edits appear throughout the remaining track listing: the opening guitar from "Legacy", the feedback from the opening of "Negative" and the removal of silence from the end of "Cancer".

1. "Six (Baker Mix)" 3:56
2. "Negative" 4:16
3. "Legacy" 6:19
4. "Anti Everything" 2:25
5. "Fall Out" 3:47
6. "Serotonin" 2:33
7. "Cancer" 9:16
8. "Television" 8:21
9. "Special / Blown It (Delete as Appropriate)" 5:18
10. "Shotgun" 6:27
11. "Being a Girl" 8:00

Bee OK, Friday, 6 October 2017 13:52 (two months ago) Permalink

Legacy into Anti Everything, that is how you sequence an album.

jmm, Friday, 6 October 2017 13:55 (two months ago) Permalink

lol

that is the worst resequencing in the history of music obv

imago, Friday, 6 October 2017 13:57 (two months ago) Permalink

also they got rid of the beautiful, beautiful cover

imago, Friday, 6 October 2017 13:59 (two months ago) Permalink

That was the version of the album I grew up with. I didn't hear the proper mix/edit of the title track until maybe 8-9 years later.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 6 October 2017 17:18 (two months ago) Permalink

is this some masterpiece that i never knew about? to be fair to me, i'm a Yank and had the shitty US version of this album. i played the UK version on YouTube and it basically blew my mind. beyond what i even remotely remember.

Bee OK, Saturday, 7 October 2017 01:11 (two months ago) Permalink

is this a prog album in the late 90's that went under the radar?

Bee OK, Saturday, 7 October 2017 02:08 (two months ago) Permalink

i was just really impressed with all the directions this album went in.

Bee OK, Saturday, 7 October 2017 02:09 (two months ago) Permalink

I haven't listened to the US version, but it looks mangled. The single version of the title track doesn't do much to declare the ambition of the album. Anti Everything is only half of a song without Inverse Midas. Legacy should be climactic, not placed up front.

jmm, Saturday, 7 October 2017 02:19 (two months ago) Permalink

I wonder if the US version was meant to make it seem less proggy. It opens with three of the singles.

jmm, Saturday, 7 October 2017 02:35 (two months ago) Permalink

Draper says there's a 5.1 mix and such coming for the 20th anniversary next year.

piscesx, Saturday, 7 October 2017 02:42 (two months ago) Permalink

I have never heard the US version of the album, but having heard the single version of 'Six' and looking at the tracklisting, I can imagine it completely ruins the whole experience. 'Legacy' into 'Anti Everything' just feels utterly wrong and 'Shotgun' as the penultimate track?

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Saturday, 7 October 2017 13:18 (two months ago) Permalink

is this a prog album in the late 90's that went under the radar?

― Bee OK, Saturday, October 7, 2017 2:08 AM (eleven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It did actually get some good reviews in the UK press but one or two publications savaged it - I remember Q Magazine being particularly hard on it.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Saturday, 7 October 2017 13:46 (two months ago) Permalink

They'd just announced OK Computer as best album ever and clearly felt threatened

imago, Saturday, 7 October 2017 14:00 (two months ago) Permalink

I have a bit of a fascination with this late '90s post-Britpop period of UK guitar music - where everyone discovered Pro Tools and decided to make audacious records.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Saturday, 7 October 2017 14:06 (two months ago) Permalink

We had this discussion recently, trying to remember where...

imago, Saturday, 7 October 2017 14:06 (two months ago) Permalink

Yes, we did! I've forgotten where, though... but there was a lot of great stuff in the late '90s from bands/artists who genuinely were trying to move things forward in that genre.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Saturday, 7 October 2017 14:24 (two months ago) Permalink

It was the 'Let's rank the Blur albums' thread (which I tried to revive lol).

Gavin, Leeds, Saturday, 7 October 2017 16:55 (two months ago) Permalink

Both the Manics This Is My Truth Tell Me Yours and Blur's 13 are attempts at 'doing an OK Computer', on their own terms. Both of them would deny this, of course.

PaulTMA, Saturday, 7 October 2017 17:20 (two months ago) Permalink

13, definitely. This Is My Truth Tell Me Yours, I disagree.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Saturday, 7 October 2017 19:34 (two months ago) Permalink

Would it be right to say this record is a lot more *fun* than its reputation? For all its indulgences, it's full of amazing hooks and silly hummable bits. Even with a song called "Cancer", it's not as ponderous as, say, Dog Man Star.

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 7 October 2017 21:37 (two months ago) Permalink

You'd be absolutely right.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Saturday, 7 October 2017 22:21 (two months ago) Permalink

nats finally waking up

Michael F Gill, Sunday, 8 October 2017 00:35 (two months ago) Permalink

hahaha wrong thread

Michael F Gill, Sunday, 8 October 2017 00:35 (two months ago) Permalink

but also this is my favorite album of all time so nbd

Michael F Gill, Sunday, 8 October 2017 00:36 (two months ago) Permalink

lol, i almost also wrote about the baseball playoffs in the Cure thread.

Bee OK, Sunday, 8 October 2017 00:44 (two months ago) Permalink

'Friday, I'm on four"

Mark G, Sunday, 8 October 2017 10:03 (two months ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Monday, 9 October 2017 00:01 (two months ago) Permalink

Voted 'Shotgun'

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Monday, 9 October 2017 02:12 (two months ago) Permalink

I'm voting for the title track here. I have been living with that shorter remix and that version doesn't do the song justice

Bee OK, Monday, 9 October 2017 20:11 (two months ago) Permalink

Just made it and going for "Cancer."

the future is now, Monday, 9 October 2017 23:46 (two months ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 00:01 (two months ago) Permalink

'Cancer' is probably my least favourite thing on this, fwiw.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 20:05 (two months ago) Permalink

correct winner

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 20:06 (two months ago) Permalink

fun fact: this album and the Manics' This Is My Truth Tell Me Yours came out a week apart. Recall that the Manics album features (the lovely) "Born a Girl."

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 20:08 (two months ago) Permalink

Recall that This Is My Truth Tell Me Yours was a piss poor follow-up to a great record, and this was a beyond excellent follow up to a good record.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 20:15 (two months ago) Permalink

Hard disagree but this is not the thread for it lol

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 20:16 (two months ago) Permalink

Ladies and gentlemen, Dominic Chad.

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more Allegro-like (Turrican), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 20:47 (two months ago) Permalink


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