RIP Tom Petty

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A genuinely great lyricist, and leader of a killer band.

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 2 October 2017 19:35 (five years ago) link

From Twitter, a full New Year's Eve 1978 show:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnS8577gBNc

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 2 October 2017 19:37 (five years ago) link

Not that I am hopeful, but has that been officially confirmed by anyone but TMZ yet?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 October 2017 19:37 (five years ago) link

sadly TMZ pretty much always gets these things right. damn.

frogbs, Monday, 2 October 2017 19:38 (five years ago) link

oh man

sleeve, Monday, 2 October 2017 19:44 (five years ago) link

Oh FFS, a shitty day just got worse.

Dan Worsley, Monday, 2 October 2017 19:46 (five years ago) link

'taken off life support' i'm seeing. I suppose not because he's doing better.

akm, Monday, 2 October 2017 19:47 (five years ago) link

Surprised I found some words but I guess I did.

http://nedraggett.tumblr.com/post/165979442637/not-an-active-fan-never-saw-him-or-had-any-of

Ned Raggett, Monday, 2 October 2017 19:49 (five years ago) link

RIP. He always felt like the last Classic Rock guy to me, the end of a generation/way of playing + writing.

Οὖτις, Monday, 2 October 2017 19:51 (five years ago) link

It's flippant to say it but I kinda figured by default he'd be the last Wilbury to go. Not the middle one.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 2 October 2017 19:53 (five years ago) link

Rest In Power, Tom.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/tom-petty-on-past-confederate-flag-use-it-was-downright-stupid-20150714

Again, people just need to think about how it looks to a black person. It's just awful. It's like how a swastika looks to a Jewish person. It just shouldn't be on flagpoles.

Beyond the flag issue, we're living in a time that I never thought we'd see. The way we're losing black men and citizens in general is horrific. What's going on in society is unforgivable. As a country, we should be more concerned with why the police are getting away with targeting black men and killing them for no reason. That's a bigger issue than the flag. Years from now, people will look back on today and say, "You mean we privatized the prisons so there's no profit unless the prison is full?" You'd think someone in kindergarten could figure out how stupid that is. We're creating so many of our own problems.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 2 October 2017 19:53 (five years ago) link

rip big man, heaven needed another 20% of the traveling wilburys

RIP. Although he wasn't really my cup of tea, he clearly had the respect of a hell of a lot of notable musicians and, in spite of him mostly being an American phenomenon, he definitely made his mark.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Monday, 2 October 2017 19:58 (five years ago) link

This is the first "celebrity death" since Prince that's brought me to tears.

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Monday, 2 October 2017 20:00 (five years ago) link

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=(

One hell of a songwriter.

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Monday, 2 October 2017 20:01 (five years ago) link

It has been confirmed.

JUST IN: Rocker Tom Petty is dead at 66, Los Angeles Police Department confirms to CBS News pic.twitter.com/XJp3mc69Rl

— CBS News (@CBSNews) October 2, 2017

Ned Raggett, Monday, 2 October 2017 20:02 (five years ago) link

don't think anyone made the flying V look cooler

Οὖτις, Monday, 2 October 2017 20:04 (five years ago) link

He certainly put on one of the few arena shows I've enjoyed, w/ Dylan @MSG, July '86.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 October 2017 20:06 (five years ago) link

Unlike Prince or Bowie (to name two recent examples), I don't feel compelled to listen to Tom Petty today. Those guys were foundational alchemists, a guy like Tom Petty was ... comfort. In the best possible way. It's a strange irony that that makes him harder to listen to right now.

I saw Amy Ray from the Indigo Girls do a killer cover of "Refugee" once that completely re-contexualized the song for me. Also helped me recognize how hard it is to write a universal anthem, let alone a few.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 October 2017 20:07 (five years ago) link

Fuck. A huge loss.

kornrulez6969, Monday, 2 October 2017 20:08 (five years ago) link

his last show was at the Hollywood Bowl just nine days ago. played there three nights in a row.

nomar, Monday, 2 October 2017 20:08 (five years ago) link

damn ): rip

Rael Estate (diamonddave85), Monday, 2 October 2017 20:09 (five years ago) link

Love tom petty. Have always loved tom petty. He could do that eternal byrds thing with better hooks than anybody.

Wahhh

harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Monday, 2 October 2017 20:14 (five years ago) link

um what

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 2 October 2017 20:15 (five years ago) link

whatever their lives were actually like, all these guys...Bowie, Prince, Leonard Cohen, Tom Petty...they seemed like decent guys, good souls, and they tried to bring that to their music and personas. Tom Petty, he was a real performer. He almost reminded me of a silent movie actor, he was such a great, funny, warm presence onstage and in his videos.

nomar, Monday, 2 October 2017 20:17 (five years ago) link

Jon Not Jon and nomar otm, he was important to me ever since I started listening to music and was always there, like a familiar friend from high school who you don;t see very much but it's always cool when you do, the kind of classic rock that makes you happy when you hear it on the radio

sleeve, Monday, 2 October 2017 20:19 (five years ago) link

The last two songs from what turned out to be his final show. If you're going to barnburn, do it like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WNHB8vROg4

Ned Raggett, Monday, 2 October 2017 20:28 (five years ago) link

His might be my favorite still-active backing band. I could listen to Campbell or Tench play for days.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 October 2017 20:31 (five years ago) link

His last album was a robust little thing.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 October 2017 20:31 (five years ago) link

he was fucking great on King of the Hill too.

evol j, Monday, 2 October 2017 20:32 (five years ago) link

Aww, damn.

A great, consistent songwriter whom I've found it all too easy to take for granted over the years. Like, he's never someone I think of as a favourite of mine, but then "The Waiting" or "American Girl" or something else will come on the radio when I'm driving and for three or so minutes I'll think I'm hearing the most brilliant pop song ever written.

the general theme of STUFF (cryptosicko), Monday, 2 October 2017 20:36 (five years ago) link

my first favorite musician, and I think my daughter's first favorite musician. as dadrock as you can get, I know. i thought about taking her to see him last summer for her first show but she's still pretty young. regretting that now.

tylerw, Monday, 2 October 2017 20:42 (five years ago) link

TMZ's latest update indicates that things are still tangled but that ultimately the end is near:

Sources tell us at 10:30 Monday morning a chaplain was called to Tom's hospital room. We're told the family has a do not resuscitate order on Tom. The singer is not expected to live throughout the day, but he's still clinging to life. A report that the LAPD confirmed the singer's death is inaccurate -- the L.A. County Sheriff's Dept. handled the emergency.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 2 October 2017 20:46 (five years ago) link

RIP. one of the greats.

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 2 October 2017 20:47 (five years ago) link

There's that great 4 hour documentary about Tom Petty, Runnin' Down a Dream. Watching it, the thing that strikes you is how little struggle he had, career-wise. Everybody loved him from the beginning. In Florida, he was instantly the top guy in his local music scene. Moves to LA, gets signed right away. His band Mudcrutch is dropped, but he gets a solo deal. First album has Breakdown and American Girl.

No years of toil, honing his craft. It was immediate success. It's a testament to how great he was (damn it sucks to type was

kornrulez6969, Monday, 2 October 2017 20:47 (five years ago) link

I thought his appearance on The Larry Sanders Show was v good. From memory he was squaring up to Clint Black and calling him "fucking Roy Rogers, here" or something similar.

calzino, Monday, 2 October 2017 20:48 (five years ago) link

Meanwhile Dylan lives.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 October 2017 20:48 (five years ago) link

Aw dammit. Dammit dammit dammit. I love Tom Petty, probably more than he deserves, but he's one of my all-time favorites. I love his singing more than anything else, he worked wonders with that whine.

Meanwhile Dylan lives.

DON'T FUCKING JINX IT

Οὖτις, Monday, 2 October 2017 20:50 (five years ago) link

A shock. But worse for my poor mum. I may have to call her.

imago, Monday, 2 October 2017 20:59 (five years ago) link

RIP. He was a good songwriter with a unique voice. Also RIP to one of the few current musical concerns that kept my mom buying records. She loved him!

Dominique, Monday, 2 October 2017 21:01 (five years ago) link

Related to that, they're playing The Traveling Wilburys in my office right now. And it's like a party photo of someone gone, vs. a picture of them alone. It's good to hear.

Eazy, Monday, 2 October 2017 21:02 (five years ago) link

(tom petty is not dead btw)

k3vin k., Monday, 2 October 2017 21:04 (five years ago) link

Didn't trust TMZ, but it's looking about as bad as possible. DNRs don't usually lead to happy outcomes.

xpost I think Petty worked really hard for his success, actually, an ambitious redneck playing everywhere from backyard parties and frat houses on up (like Van Halen did). If he got lucky at all it was by having his rise coincide right with MTV's, and also having Mike Campbell as a cohort. And also writing a dozen or so songs for the ages. That takes some luck, too.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 October 2017 21:06 (five years ago) link

What the fuck?

calstars, Monday, 2 October 2017 21:06 (five years ago) link

and I was listening to Into the Great Wide Open on Saturday.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 October 2017 21:16 (five years ago) link

i had been revisiting some of his latter day stuff last week and was struck by how great this one was:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqJS2nB4D4s

tylerw, Monday, 2 October 2017 21:18 (five years ago) link

^^^ holy fuck, tylerw, "You and Me" is a jam. If Fleetwood Mac had released it, no one would've blinked.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 October 2017 21:22 (five years ago) link

totally. i remember staying away from the last DJ at first because of its cranky title track, but about half of it is fantastic.

tylerw, Monday, 2 October 2017 21:24 (five years ago) link

Enjoying this bit of Garry Shandling and Petty hanging out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIvNe569Q9g

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Monday, 2 October 2017 21:26 (five years ago) link

yeah that was great

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 25 October 2020 19:23 (one year ago) link

At minimum, the two-disc version is worth getting to anyone who simply likes this album. (I think it's very good, but it's not even my favorite Tom Petty album - there's four, maybe five others I like more.)

For starters, the mastering is great whether you spring for the hi-res FLAC's, CD or vinyl - they're all better than the standard CD. (FYI, supposedly if you buy the CD's direct from Petty's official website, you get the hi-res downloads for "free" though to be fair the list price is a little higher there.)

But yeah, that second disc of extras is pretty good. There's at least four tracks that should have made the album IMHO - "Hope You Never," "Leave Virginia Alone," "California," "Harry Green," maybe "Climb That Hill Blues" - and the rest are fine outtakes, they would've been good B-side material. I don't think it was a bad idea for Petty to boil down those 25 tracks to a single CD, but almost anything from the outtakes disc would've been preferable to "Hard on Me" or "House in the Woods."

The four-disc "deluxe" edition and the five-disc "super deluxe" edition are pretty good too. Anyone who LOVES this album should consider the "deluxe" edition, the third and fourth disc are programmed wonderfully. If I liked this album more, I would myself - disc three and especially the live renditions on disc four were a good listen. But there's only one demo from disc three that I'll probably come back to ("There Goes Angela" which I would've put on the album as-is - it sounds great even for a demo) and I'm fine with just the studio renditions going forward. The fifth disc on the super deluxe is probably for students and die-hards, and I don't mean that as a put-down, that's just the nature of alternates and rejected versions left behind and this case is no different.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 03:07 (one year ago) link

Heard "Leave Virginia Alone," and while in some ways it's kind of boilerplate (down to its Bob Seger vibe), but it sounded great.

This is his stoner record, right? The peak of his legendary pot smoking, right before his heroin addiction kicked in?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 12:54 (one year ago) link

Rod Stewart covered LVA the following year.

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 12:57 (one year ago) link

Four of the outtakes surfaced basically as-is on She's The One, including that wonderful Beach Boys homage "Hung Up And Overdue" (Carl Wilson!)

"what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 17:58 (one year ago) link

never noticed how much "Time to Move On" is debt to the sound of Tunnel of Love era Springsteen and proto War on Drugs

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 18:11 (one year ago) link

yeah there’s a similarity in the seamlessness of the synth pads alongside the rootsier accompaniment

brimstead, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 18:11 (one year ago) link

He may have been into heroin already, but nevertheless, I'd still call it his stoner record. It feels like one which is part of its charm.

To be brutally honest, a lot of the album feels boilerplate. Jim DeRogatis gave a scathing 1-star review in the Chicago Sun-Times back then, and while his observations aren't wrong, I think his judgment is way off. The album is very simple, it's not innovative and the musical parts aren't that original, but that's not a fatal flaw here. It's a stoner album in the sense of a middle-aged guy whose life is emptying out and all he can really do is sit alone (alone partly because his marriage finally went to shit) and reflect with the help of some good weed. And part of that reflection is tied to retreat, familiarity and comfort as a means of dealing with everything, so that's what the music feels like - familiar and comforting not as a retread but as a retreat into solace. That may not be my idea of a "masterpiece," but Petty for the most part sells the idea and connects with the listener on nearly every track (there's maybe two I definitely would have ditched) and then some (again, the best of the outtakes).

birdistheword, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 20:35 (one year ago) link

I think a lot of Petty is sort of boilerplate, which is why it took me so long to really click with him as a great songwriter. It's the subtle touches, the economy, the occasional turns of phrase and certainly the tasteful (but not boring) musicianship, though ironically this album is not particularly economical, which is part of its stoned-ness.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 20:44 (one year ago) link

His lyrics are often boilerplate; his melodies are not. His bandleading skills are near genius.

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 20:46 (one year ago) link

i can't think of any petty record w/o the heartbreakers as his great work

i think that's why i can appreciate this record more than i love it

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 20:47 (one year ago) link

I opted for the 2-disc version of this and I'm really happy I did. Like birdistheword, I don't think I love the album enough for one of the more expensive versions. But I do want to give the Petty team a lot of credit for not skimping on options here - you can essentially pick your preferred version based on your budget and level of interest, which is refreshing. There was the $20 2xcd version with the album proper and the ten outtakes, a $50 4xcd version that adds a disc of home recordings and a live disc, a $160 5xcd version that adds another disc of alternate versions and a fancy book and stuff and vinyl equivalents of all those options.

As opposed to, say, the recent reissue of Goat Heads Soup, which was either the $19 2xCD with the disc of outtakes or the $130 super deluxe version with all the bells and whistles, nothing in between (meaning the only way to get the highly regarded live set was the most expensive option).

I wish more artists would cast a wider net with options like Petty's.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 20:52 (one year ago) link

His band leading skills (esp. with the band he is leading) are indeed impeccable and more than make up for any boilerplate lyrics (which is why I put him in a class well above, say, Mellencamp). Aren't all the Heartbreakers (minus Stan) playing on Wildflowers?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 20:53 (one year ago) link

yeah i think so but i dunno there are a lot of other people it has a feel more like they are being brought in as session players not as a band though, almost like when gene and paul made peter and ace be session musicians in their own band*

*i think campbell is an exception, based on the bio at least he was treated on a different level than the rest of the band

the whole thing w/a few exceptions like you wreck me doesn't feel very heartbreakers to me

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 20:57 (one year ago) link

I think that's partly Steve's boring drum parts, tbh.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 20:58 (one year ago) link

it's on Twitch via AmazonMusic because 2020 but you can also view the whole thing through the homepage at tompetty.com

this doesn't seem to be the case anymore?

glengarry gary beers (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 21:04 (one year ago) link

Rod Stewart's cover of "Leave Virginia Alone" is okay - apparently WB asked him to cover it after rejecting several tracks intended for A Spanner in the Works in a failed attempt to make it more commercial. ("Leave Virginia Alone" was the lead single and was something of a flop. Personally, I think the one keeper on that album is the cover of Sam Cooke's "Soothe Me.")

The She's the One soundtrack has a hilariously charming story that encapsulates everything I like best about Petty. He agreed to be the soundtrack supervisor, and normally that would entail him using his connections to get the songs and recordings needed for the movie. (Think of Dave Edmunds with Porky's II or Kendrick Lamar with Black Panther, etc.) But Petty was too embarrassed to go to his famous friends for contributions - he had nothing against the movie, he was just uncomfortable with asking favors from friends. At the same time, he didn't want to let Ed Burns down, so he tried composing as much music as he could, and obviously there's only so much usable material that can be written under that kind of pressure, so he padded things out with those leftover songs from the Wildflowers sessions. He felt really bad afterwards and kind of embarrassed about the album because of the way it came together. Anyway, I like the soundtrack's title single, "She the One (Circus)," and as mentioned, "California" is a real gem that should have made Wildflowers.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 21:07 (one year ago) link

His band leading skills (esp. with the band he is leading) are indeed impeccable and more than make up for any boilerplate lyrics (which is why I put him in a class well above, say, Mellencamp).

Mellencamp's a really good bandleader too - I'd put him on par with Tom Petty. Lyrically, he probably has the opposite problem where he swings for the fences most of the time and winds up missing more often than not.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 21:14 (one year ago) link

i prefer petty but i think you could make the argument that mellencamp in 2020 is as underrated as petty is overrated

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 21:16 (one year ago) link

Think of Dave Edmunds with Porky's II

also WHAT????

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 21:18 (one year ago) link

I'm sorry, it was actually Porky's Revenge! (complete with exclamation point), which was the third movie. But yeah, it's one of the biggest WTF soundtracks of all-time. Willie Nelson? Carl Perkins? Jeff Beck? GEORGE HARRISON covering a previously unknown Bob Dylan song from the '60s?!?! What the hell are they doing on a Porky's soundtrack???

birdistheword, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 21:23 (one year ago) link

And I agree, Mellencamp in his old age is underrated. He may not be hitting the same exalted peaks as the good half of Scarecrow, but his albums are much more consistent and much less strained now than they ever were.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 21:25 (one year ago) link

Did Mellencamp really have the same band lineup for nearly as long or as many albums as Petty? Aside from Kenny and, for that brief bit, Lisa Germano, they just didn't have much personality, imo. That's why I can name every Heartbreaker but only those two Mellenheads.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 21:25 (one year ago) link

GEORGE HARRISON covering a previously unknown Bob Dylan song from the '60s?!?! What the hell are they doing on a Porky's soundtrack???

yeah! this is crazy haha so weird...unfortunately george had such poor taste in 80s production

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 21:30 (one year ago) link

Nah, there were lots of changes in personnel, but I thought he navigated those well. I would never knock them for lack of personality though. They were knocked for being too derivative of the Stones in the early '80s - that reminded me of similar charges that Petty was too derivative of the Byrds and possibly the Stones as well - but I never listened to Scarecrow thinking it was a Stones copy, and The Lonesome Jubilee certainly had a lot of personality which Springsteen may have liked enough to get his own Appalachian fiddle.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 21:31 (one year ago) link

(To be clear, I don't think consistent personnel is a requisite for assessing someone's stature as a bandleader. Changing personnel took nothing away from Duke Ellington, that's for sure.)

birdistheword, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 21:34 (one year ago) link

I'm sure they're fine or good, but mostly I mean that I can't name any of the players because I would never necessarily want a player that played like Mellencamp's guitarist or keyboardist or bassist, whoever they are. But Benmont, Mike, Stan et al. were and remain first-call players for others I think because they have personality, as hard to pin down a trait as that may be. Ergo, there's not much of a band for Mellenhead to lead, per se, because there's not only no real band, there's no real distinguishing characteristic of the players he picks. I could say the same thing of someone like, for example, John Hiatt, whose albums (as much as I know them) only perk up depending on who is playing on them. (Though he generally remains a good songwriter no matter what.)

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 21:47 (one year ago) link

But Benmont, Mike, Stan et al. were and remain first-call players for others I think because they have personality, as hard to pin down a trait as that may be.

here are kenny aronoff's credits, scroll through them...then after your finger falls off and you have it surgically re-attached, come on back and tell me how he wasn't as much of a "first call" session guy than stan lynch.

https://www.allmusic.com/artist/kenny-aronoff-mn0000081149/credits

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 22:02 (one year ago) link

huh i didn't know this guy had been w/mellencamp the whole time

https://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/34229/

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 22:04 (one year ago) link

I called out Kenny specifically as an exception! That guy is a session ace.

Stan moved on to successful songwriting, actually, iirc.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 22:04 (one year ago) link

Yeah, Stan Lynch did an interview where he talks about his life post-Heartbreakers. I didn't read it all - it was a subscription-based site and only an excerpt was made available to everyone - but by that point he had already done some notable work with Don Henley (like he co-wrote "The Last Worthless Evening" and played on that track, "The Heart of the Matter" and a few others). So after he was fired, Henley called him, commiserated and said "I know what you're going through - I was 33 when the Eagles broke up." IIRC, Henley was starting work on a few projects, including the Eagles reunion, so he asked Lynch to fly to his home or studio and meet him. As soon as Lynch gets there, Henley says, "welcome to the next phase of your life," and then there's more that was behind a paywall. But yeah, Lynch went on to write and produce, even giving away his drums because he didn't want to play them anymore after getting fired by Petty. He even landed a #1 country hit somewhere down the line (forgot who recorded it).

I won't argue that the Heartbreakers were a better band than any collective Mellencamp ever had playing for him, but I thought Mellencamp ran his bands really well - just watch any of his concerts and see.

FYI, the mastering engineer for the new Wildflowers reissue posted a ton of info that might be helpful for consumers and audiophiles. This may be long, but I'll paste it all in a separate post.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 22:41 (one year ago) link

Notes from the mastering engineer:

• Nothing on the original album was remixed. It was mixed to analog 1/2" tape in 1994 by Richard Dodd. That is the one one only stereo master for "Wildflowers." No one wanted to change that.

The original vinyl in 1994 was cut from the 16 bit 44.1K digital 1630 CD master. The 2015 vinyl was cut for the first time, from the 1/2" analog master. The 2020 vinyl was cut from the same master and used the same EQ and level as the 2015. The reason why it was recut for this release was that Record Industry lost some of the metal parts, and needed to make fresh parts from new lacquers. If there is any difference it is due to the lathe and the "Je ne sais quoi" factor.

• Everything else you hear on the other discs was mixed digitally "in the box" in Pro Tools. Therefore, the source for the mastering is digital: 24 bit 96K (except the home recordings which were recorded on ADAT, a 16 bit 48K digital format). Everything (except the original album) was mastered by converting the Pro Tools digital output to analog (as I bring my Pro Tools rig to mastering*), then going through Chris Bellman's board at Grundman Mastering and then going back to digital: 24 bit 96K for the Hi Res, 24 bit 44,1K for iTunes, streaming, and dithering to 16 bit for lower res streaming and mp3. A third pass was made at 16 bit 44.1K for CD (all using Lavry converters). The 24/96 has the highest dynamic range. This was the source for the 24/96 Hi-Res downloads, as well as the Vinyl. The 16/44.1 CD has the second highest dynamic range, as we decided to master CD differently this time. It should really sound good, but still have a level that isn't that far below the original "Wildflowers" CD. The 24/44.1 "streaming" version has the lowest dynamic range, but is at a level that we came to after years of messing about to see what sounded the best on a phone, iTunes, car radio or other playback mediums, when put up against other songs from other artists. Tom was adamant about making sure his songs wouldn't "disappear" when heard in this context.

(*The one thing I do that is different than everyone else I know, is that I actually bring my Pro Tools rig into mastering with Chris and we cut from that. That way we can adjust any individual element of the mix when we're mastering. Better control than just using EQ, compression and level.)

The 24/96 Pono "Wildflowers" had the same EQ and level as the new 24/96 "Wildflowers." It should sound essentially the same. If you liked that, you'll like this.

• Disc 2: "All The Rest" was as Tom conceived and finished it in 2015. We did not want to alter it in any way. "Climb That Hill Blues" shares similar lyrics as "Climb That Hill," but is a different melody and just guitar and vocal. Tom loved this and wanted it on the disc.

Disc 2 also has remixes of "California," "Hung Up And Overdue," "Hope You Never." The version of "Climb That Hill," however, is a different, earlier version than the one on "She's The One." It was was cut during the "Wildflowers" sessions along with those other songs.

• Disc 4 is all live material, mixed from multitrack sources from concerts as early as 1995 and as late as 2017 (no "Saturday Night Live" performances). Designed to flow together as one show, imagining the kind of set list Tom would come up with. The live version of "Walls" was so good, and fit into the setlist so well, that we all decided to include it, even though it technically isn't a "Wildflowers"-era song.

• Disc 5 has some great, earlier, more "rock" versions of some of the songs, some with Stan on drums. "Wake Up Time" and "Don't Fade On Me" are the same takes that were on "An American Treasure." They fit in well with the sequence on this disc. "Lonesome Dave" was not included, so we could fit in some more unreleased material (i.e. "You Saw Me Comin'"). "Girl On LSD" is the same master as the b-side, but it was remixed to fit in with the other new mixes on this disc. (If you're into "hi-fi" and dynamic range, you'll like this mix.) Stan Lynch's drumming on disc 5 is wonderful. My favorite drum fill of his on that disc is the transition from 4/4 swing to 3/4 rock, on a familiar song coming out of a very cool alternate bridge.

Finally, these discs are jam-packed with material. They are all sequenced to "tell a story". We all put a lot of thought into song selection and song order, as Tom was the master of the album art form.

• With support from Warners and Amazon, I was able to upgrade my studio and make an Atmos mix of "Wildflowers" and "All The Rest" (the first 2 CDs or 3 LPs in the box set). It will initially be available for streaming on Amazon Music Plus, through their Echo Studio speaker, and in binaural mode through headphones. Their idea is to get everyone into it at an entry-level price point.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 23:00 (one year ago) link

I love Mellencamp's work as bandleader. C'mon! He had Kenny Aronoff and Larry Crane for most of the eighties.

And, sorry, Harrison needed a producer, and he was best served by Lynne.

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 23:09 (one year ago) link

This isn't particularly apropos of anything but reading about Stan's post-Heartbreakers work made me think of it. I have a friend who used to live near Mike Campbell on Kauai and got to be pretty tight with him. My friend's a musician and he would get invited to these epic jam sessions at Campbell's house. (He also got to know Bill Kreutzman — who kept trying to give him acid — and Glenn Frey. Quite the little aging rocker community on Kauai.)

Anyway, my friend said that he asked Campbell if he'd ever thought about doing a solo album. (This was before Petty died.) Campbell said he had at one point, and had said to Petty, "I was thinking maybe I'd cut my own record one of these days." Petty just stared at him blankly and said, "Why?" And that was the end of that.

(sorry, Kreutzmann)

if i remember from the Petty bio, Tom literally wouldn't let Campbell release (an already recorded) solo album because it sounded too much like a Tom Petty record.

tylerw, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 02:22 (one year ago) link

Yeah, supposedly. I could have sworn Benmont told a similar story once? Maybe not. I think Petty was pretty possessive of Campbell, as well he should have been. I wonder if he had him on at least some sort of right of first refusal contract, if not something tighter?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 02:24 (one year ago) link

(*The one thing I do that is different than everyone else I know, is that I actually bring my Pro Tools rig into mastering with Chris and we cut from that. That way we can adjust any individual element of the mix when we're mastering. Better control than just using EQ, compression and level.)

that sounds like both a terrible idea and a fantastic idea, possibly both.

fact checking cuz, Thursday, 29 October 2020 23:02 (one year ago) link

How would it be terrible? I don't doubt it might be, I just don't have the knowledge or experience to judge whether it would be.

birdistheword, Friday, 30 October 2020 02:00 (one year ago) link

terrible only in the sense that it suggests he's obsessing over every detail past the point of sanity, still tweaking a mix that he presumably had already finished. sometimes you just have to stop. also, there are more than few mastering engineers out there who'd want to murder him, 'cause now he's mixing on their time.

fact checking cuz, Friday, 30 October 2020 06:23 (one year ago) link

but if he and the mastering engineer have a good relationship, which they obviously do, and if they have unlimited budget, which they probably do, then fantastic, you can get that much closer to whatever sound you have in your head!

fact checking cuz, Friday, 30 October 2020 06:25 (one year ago) link

seven months pass...

Dirty Knobs album is great, like a Tom-less Heartbreakers album but a bit messier & swearier - fave track “Fuck That Guy”

i still hate the name

but I love Mike Campbell 4ever

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 26 June 2021 22:58 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

The 2009 Live Anthology is one of the greatest things ever, and now there's another 4CD set coming in November, culled from 20 shows(!) they did at the Fillmore in San Francisco in 1997, that looks like a fine companion piece. (There's also a 2CD version, but if you're buying this, as I am, why wouldn't you get the whole thing?

Track listing:

CD 1

Pre-show (spoken interlude)
Around and Around
Jammin’ Me
Runnin’ Down A Dream
Good Evening (spoken interlude)
Lucille
Call Me The Breeze
Cabin Down Below
The Internet, Whatever That Is (spoken interlude)
Time is On My Side
Listen To Her Heart
Waitin’ In School
Let’s Hear It For Mike (spoken interlude)
Slaughter On Tenth Avenue
Homecoming Queen Intro (spoken interlude)
The Date I Had with That Ugly Old Homecoming Queen
I Won’t Back Down
You Are My Sunshine
Ain’t No Sunshine
It’s Good To Be King

CD 2

Rip It Up
You Don’t Know How It Feels
I’d Like To Love You Baby
Diddy Wah Diddy
We Got A Long Way To Go (spoken interlude)
Guitar Boogie Shuffle
I Want You Back Again
On The Street Intro (spoken interlude)
On The Street
California
Let’s Hear It For Scott and Howie (spoken interlude)
Little Maggie
Walls
Hip Hugger
Friend Of The Devil
Did Someone Say Heartbreakers Beach Party? (spoken interlude)
Heartbreakers Beach Party
Angel Dream
The Wild One, Forever
Even The Losers
American Girl
You Really Got Me
Goldfinger

CD 3

Mr. Roger McGuinn (spoken interlude)
It Won’t Be Wrong
You Ain’t Going Nowhere
Drug Store Truck Drivin’ Man
Eight Miles High
Crazy Mama
Everyone Loves Benmont (spoken interlude)
Green Onions
High Heel Sneakers
John Lee Hooker, Ladies and Gentlemen (spoken interlude)
Find My Baby (Locked Up In Love Again)
Serves You Right To Suffer
Boogie Chillen
I Got A Woman

CD 4

Sorry, I’ve Just Broken My Amplifier (spoken interlude)
Knockin’ On Heaven’s Door
Honey Bee
County Farm
You Wreck Me
Shakin’ All Over
Free Fallin’
Mary Jane’s Last Dance
Bye Bye Johnny
(I Can’t Get No) Satisfaction
It’s All Over Now
Louie Louie
Gloria
Alright For Now Goodnight (spoken interlude)

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 21 September 2022 17:02 (two weeks ago) link

The 2-CD set is just spoken interludes.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 September 2022 17:27 (two weeks ago) link

Having Fun With Tom On Stage

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 21 September 2022 17:32 (two weeks ago) link

oh damn i think i want this?

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 September 2022 18:19 (two weeks ago) link

Dang, this does look good. Disc 3 looks interesting.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 21 September 2022 18:23 (two weeks ago) link

i've heard a few of these shows via bootlegs and yeah, they smoke.

tylerw, Wednesday, 21 September 2022 18:23 (two weeks ago) link

the Fillmore covers alone are killer, but yeah, super excited for this

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 22 September 2022 02:44 (one week ago) link


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