Rolling Stones mid 70s Poll (post-Exile, pre-Some Girls)

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There are some gems scattered around here - memory motel and Time Waits for No One come to mind - but by and large this is the weakest stretch in their ouevre before getting the check in the early 80s. Which one is best as a whole?

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Goats Head Soup (73) 19
Black and Blue (76) 11
It's Only Rock and Roll (74) 4


calstars, Friday, 22 September 2017 00:55 (two months ago) Permalink

The first two albums are garbage. B&B has "Memory Motel," the fabulous "Crazy Mama" and "Hand of Fate," and "Fool to Cry." B&B wins.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 September 2017 00:59 (two months ago) Permalink

Yep, easy.

albvivertine, Friday, 22 September 2017 01:20 (two months ago) Permalink

Goats head soup doesn't really have too many "songs" but it sounds grand, I really like it

It's only rock and roll is pretty boring, "time waits for no one" is a beaut, though, and I think I remember the Motown cover being good

Black and Blue: features Harvey Mandel! This is a really really boring album iirc but I haven't listened in years

So.... goats head soup... it's like an album where you hear the stones dying

brimstead, Friday, 22 September 2017 01:23 (two months ago) Permalink

Fool to cry is not good but I'll try the other songs you mentioned, alfred

brimstead, Friday, 22 September 2017 01:24 (two months ago) Permalink

The Keef riff in "Hand of Fate" is the Keefest of Keef riffs, and Mandel's shit-kicking solo is one of a kind. Jagger sounds venomous.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 September 2017 01:30 (two months ago) Permalink

Yes the Fate riff is great but the song goes nowhere. It's more a sketch.

calstars, Friday, 22 September 2017 01:33 (two months ago) Permalink

Goats Head Soup is my favorite out of these.

Bee OK, Friday, 22 September 2017 02:39 (two months ago) Permalink

when i was a kid my mom had a pink (or salmon?) tape of 'goats' sitting around in her stereo along with other old LPs that i never heard played, so it always seemed like a mysterious album to me - the tape deck was broken

j., Friday, 22 September 2017 03:45 (two months ago) Permalink

i like goats head of these 3

but tbh i'd rather listen to anything else

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 22 September 2017 04:33 (two months ago) Permalink

GHS has some cool songs but it's just a bummer having "Dancing With Mr. D" as the opening track when you think about the way the last 4 albums started. Though it's at least not as generic as "If You Can't Rock Me."

JoeStork, Friday, 22 September 2017 05:17 (two months ago) Permalink

lol i'll never forget being at a party and talking to someone and they were like "i'm more of a Goat's Head Soup kinda guy"

flappy bird, Friday, 22 September 2017 05:40 (two months ago) Permalink

(in the context of a very tired & standard 'Beatles vs. Stones' conversation)

flappy bird, Friday, 22 September 2017 05:40 (two months ago) Permalink

Goats Head Soup, which is also actually one of their best albums of the '70s, even if it is a minor step down from the preceding two.

Well, that was easy.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 22 September 2017 05:49 (two months ago) Permalink

Yeah, this is GHS in a walk, for "Winter" alone. B&B is garbage; it sounds like they recorded it in their sleep.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 22 September 2017 13:36 (two months ago) Permalink

Black and Blue woudln't make a list of my ten favorite Stones because of crap like "Hey Negrita" and "Melody," but if they recorded it in their sleep, If it's sleep, then it must have been a power nap because the guitars and vocals have emerged from the fog of the last two albums.

I don't mind "100 Years Ago" or "Winter" or "Fingerprint File."

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 September 2017 13:43 (two months ago) Permalink

uh cross out that second "if it's sleep"

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 September 2017 13:44 (two months ago) Permalink

"Winter" is lovely. My favourite song on the run of albums in question.

the general theme of STUFF (cryptosicko), Friday, 22 September 2017 14:06 (two months ago) Permalink

What do we think of Angie? I get the feeling they were trying a little too hard

calstars, Friday, 22 September 2017 14:11 (two months ago) Permalink

GHS by some margin - if only for 100 Years Ago, Winter and Doo Doo Doo Etc.

Another thought: All three of these albums have awful covers.

Gavin, Leeds, Friday, 22 September 2017 14:22 (two months ago) Permalink

Angie is a masterpiece

brimstead, Friday, 22 September 2017 14:50 (two months ago) Permalink

lol i'll never forget being at a party and talking to someone and they were like "i'm more of a Goat's Head Soup kinda guy"

Lol this is great

brimstead, Friday, 22 September 2017 14:51 (two months ago) Permalink

Voted the Brussels Affair.
seriously, GHS is overly maligned, I love side 2 of that album. viva decadence!

campreverb, Friday, 22 September 2017 15:17 (two months ago) Permalink

Would I rather listen to any of these albums over Emotional Rescue? You fucking bet I would.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 22 September 2017 15:22 (two months ago) Permalink

if I could melt every copy of these albums and replace them with Emotional Rescue, hell yeah.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 September 2017 15:24 (two months ago) Permalink

Why would anyone want to do that!?

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 22 September 2017 15:25 (two months ago) Permalink

GHS and Emotional Rescue are on a par for me I think. Third-tier Stones albums.

Gavin, Leeds, Friday, 22 September 2017 15:28 (two months ago) Permalink

Whoa, whoa, whoa!!!

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 22 September 2017 15:30 (two months ago) Permalink

This period may also mark the only time when they were eclipsed by Aerosmith, at least in America ?

calstars, Saturday, 23 September 2017 01:37 (two months ago) Permalink

TS: Aerosmith "Combination" vs Stones "Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo"

calstars, Saturday, 23 September 2017 01:40 (two months ago) Permalink

aerosmith's first album didn't come out til 73 so yeah maybe a torch was passed, i don't know, wasn't there

brimstead, Saturday, 23 September 2017 01:44 (two months ago) Permalink

"Doo Doo Doo..." has Charlie going 3/4 tempo during the verses and Mick's(?) rhythm gtr makes it almost funky? Also can imagine Keith in the control room making sure the wah is up in the mix

calstars, Saturday, 23 September 2017 01:48 (two months ago) Permalink

yeah this is the era when Mick started playing a lot of electric rhythm ("Fingerprint File," "Winter," "Crazy Mama").

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 September 2017 01:57 (two months ago) Permalink

I meant Taylor

calstars, Saturday, 23 September 2017 01:59 (two months ago) Permalink

him too!

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 September 2017 02:03 (two months ago) Permalink

I had It's Only Rock and Roll as a kid on an 8 track, so that is about the Stones record I have hard the most. Really any mid-70s Stones is still good, just not to the level of where they had been. I think the slow and ballad tunes, which are not bad, kinda drag these records (and side 2 of Tattoo You). I'd figure they were living so hard and fast, when they got in a room to play, they were probably just so wound/strung out, that easy going acoustic slow things felt better when writing them.

I don't know to me any SLOW tune that doesn't have some unique or crazy musical break/bridge that goes on for 5-6 minutes would be better dropping a verse and chorus. I'd say that is the issue to me on some of these tunes.

earlnash, Saturday, 23 September 2017 02:46 (two months ago) Permalink

'Time Waits For No One' is the best song on any of these records... love the "ticking" drums, the subtle use of synth and Taylor's sublime guitar playing. It's also got that grimy, fucked-up vibe to it that one would expect from mid '70s Stones.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Saturday, 23 September 2017 08:33 (two months ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Friday, 29 September 2017 00:01 (two months ago) Permalink

I really need to hear these albums someday.

Mr. Snrub, Friday, 29 September 2017 00:25 (two months ago) Permalink

yeah no rush

calstars, Friday, 29 September 2017 00:53 (two months ago) Permalink

Snrub, listen to Goats Heads Soup first

brimstead, Friday, 29 September 2017 01:37 (two months ago) Permalink

i'm hearing "hand of fate" right now.. it's a great riff and mick sounds fabulous but the production sounds really off to me. too light and airy or something, not violent enough.

brimstead, Friday, 29 September 2017 01:42 (two months ago) Permalink

mandel's minimal harmonic laden solo is pretty sweet

brimstead, Friday, 29 September 2017 01:43 (two months ago) Permalink

yeah no rush

― calstars, Thursday, September 28, 2017

description of Stones recording these songs

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 September 2017 02:07 (two months ago) Permalink

These albums do all kinda suck.....I really like the way Charlie Watts gets them from verse to chorus on "Heartbreaker," and the completely generic unfelt social consciousness of the lyric charms me, so GHS gets my vote

Swag Heathen (theStalePrince), Friday, 29 September 2017 02:48 (two months ago) Permalink

Yeah, Charlie is all over the map on that one. It's almost like some free jazz shit. Also wonder if '78 Mick walking Central Park singing after dark could have been the same boy the police chased back in '74

calstars, Friday, 29 September 2017 03:19 (two months ago) Permalink

Also no one has mentioned the causal enjoyment of "luxury!" make a million for the texan. 20 dollar me. My woman need a new dress. My daughter got to go to school.

calstars, Friday, 29 September 2017 03:26 (two months ago) Permalink

TS: luxury vs Haitian divorce

calstars, Friday, 29 September 2017 03:28 (two months ago) Permalink

'Luxury' is utterly terrible.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 29 September 2017 06:13 (two months ago) Permalink

^otm

Two-Headed Shindog (Rad Tempo Player) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 1 October 2017 18:14 (two months ago) Permalink

How do you know?

― Two-Headed Shindog (Rad Tempo Player) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, October 1, 2017 6:03 PM (thirty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

He mentioned it in some magazine article (may have been Uncut) about a decade ago...

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Sunday, 1 October 2017 18:39 (two months ago) Permalink

Johnny Winter did a good version of "Silver Train", might be a bit groovier than the Stones.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VojeFLos3Uc

earlnash, Sunday, 1 October 2017 18:50 (two months ago) Permalink

nomar knows!!!

brimstead, Sunday, 1 October 2017 19:45 (two months ago) Permalink

i'm hearing "hand of fate" right now.. it's a great riff and mick sounds fabulous but the production sounds really off to me. too light and airy or something, not violent enough.

― brimstead, Friday, 29 September 2017 01:42 (three days ago) Permalink

this is one of those things that bothers me. "too light and airy"? what were you looking for? if you wanted that dirt-sound of "ventilator blues" or "street fighting man" then i'm all for it. but if you're trying to compare the track to "brown sugar" or something similar then i get off the bus. one of those bands where the production quality always came as a bonus to the songs.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Monday, 2 October 2017 06:11 (two months ago) Permalink

oh knock it off, it just sounds like shitty flat 70s rock. no muscle. i was looking for kicks!!!

brimstead, Monday, 2 October 2017 14:42 (two months ago) Permalink

Kinda how I look for a tune in 'I Just Wanna See His Face' ... or any kind of reason for it to exist more than "hey, we're in LA now and we still have't got quite enough to fill four sides..."

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Monday, 2 October 2017 15:27 (two months ago) Permalink

that's probably it.. you need to come to LA Turrican

brimstead, Monday, 2 October 2017 15:43 (two months ago) Permalink

*haven't

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Monday, 2 October 2017 15:45 (two months ago) Permalink

x-post:

I've heard it's a shithole.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Monday, 2 October 2017 15:46 (two months ago) Permalink

The fact that The Blind Boys of Alabama do a pretty great version of 'I Just Wanna See His Face' indicates that there is a 'tune' there - but you know, sometimes recordings are about something other than the tune. The atmosphere on the Stones' version - a fuggy séance, a druggy act of devotion with a nice bit of irreligious ambiguity - is unique and compelling. It's one of the greatest things they ever did.

Gunpowder Julius (Ward Fowler), Monday, 2 October 2017 15:55 (two months ago) Permalink

That Stones' version always makes me think of Dr. John's first album

Josefa, Monday, 2 October 2017 16:14 (two months ago) Permalink

No, 'Satisfaction' is one of the greatest things they've ever done, by comparison 'I Just Wanna See His Face' is a buried little curio and nothing more.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Monday, 2 October 2017 16:18 (two months ago) Permalink

heh are you familiar with Dr. John's feelings about Exile and his involvement in it

xp

Οὖτις, Monday, 2 October 2017 16:19 (two months ago) Permalink

No

Josefa, Monday, 2 October 2017 16:20 (two months ago) Permalink

he talks about it a bit in his bio ("Under a Hoodoo Moon"). Of course he has zero respect or interest in the Stones, thinks they're basically poseurs/weak imitation etc. altho he thinks Keith is allright (and Keith plays on one or two tracks on "The Sun, Moon and Herbs", which is recorded around the same time). This lack of respect is reciprocated, apparently, and Rebbenack is pissed that he and his percussionist/right-hand man Diddimus are not appropriately credited on the album (Diddimus is credited as "Amyl Nitrate", which pissed them both off).

Οὖτις, Monday, 2 October 2017 16:27 (two months ago) Permalink

Which tracks are they on?

Josefa, Monday, 2 October 2017 16:38 (two months ago) Permalink

Dr. John is on "I Just Want to See His Face" (uncredited - altho this has been publicly verified later by Jimmy Miller + others) and credited w/backing vocals on "Let it Loose", but claims he is on a bunch of other stuff uncredited. Diddimus was credited as "Richard Washington" for marimba on "Sweet Black Angel" but Dr. John claims he's on a bunch of other songs too.

Οὖτις, Monday, 2 October 2017 16:47 (two months ago) Permalink

I think the "Amyl Nitrate" credit appears instead of "Richard Washington" in the original liner notes. I remember this credit appearing in my CD copy of this album when I got it in the 90s, cuz it's such a weird credit.

Οὖτις, Monday, 2 October 2017 16:47 (two months ago) Permalink

Wow, that's crazy. Had no idea Dr. John was actually on the Dr. John-like track

Josefa, Monday, 2 October 2017 16:59 (two months ago) Permalink

Unwinding to Goats Head Soup again and '100 Years Ago' never fails to blow my mind... superb guitar playing, and those tempo changes.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Monday, 2 October 2017 18:42 (two months ago) Permalink

Ah, 'Coming Down Again' ... just brilliance.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Monday, 2 October 2017 18:47 (two months ago) Permalink

Goat's Head Soup is a fucking SLOG.

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 4 October 2017 20:27 (two months ago) Permalink

I disagree.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Wednesday, 4 October 2017 20:36 (two months ago) Permalink

100 Years Ago is the best song on any of these three albums

bodak horseman (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 4 October 2017 21:06 (two months ago) Permalink

I can understand why one would say that... better than 'Heartbreaker' or 'Time Waits For No One', though?

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Wednesday, 4 October 2017 21:16 (two months ago) Permalink

joining the "I Just Wanna See His Face is a goddamn classic" chorus

gospodin simmel, Wednesday, 4 October 2017 21:21 (two months ago) Permalink

missed this poll. definitely my least 3 favorites of theirs until the post Tattoo You 80s. i might have been the weirdo that would've given IORAR a 5th vote (MAYBE). i don't care for Mick's reggae affectations (though i dont know they're anymore "problematic" than his r&b ham) but i think "Luxury" is kind of a jam. the title track's sound and playing are pitch perfect for the time/ place/ drugs, then you have weird shit like "Fingerprint File", and a decent Van Morrison rip off ("Til the Next Time"). fuck it i even like the Temptations cover. i turn that shit up every time it comes on the radio. better filler and overall i think i prefer glammier sound to GHS & B&B. both of those def have some dope moments, but the stuff i don't like on them is really hard to slog through.

but hey i'm also the guy who sometimes thinks the second side of Tattoo You is one of the better things they did.

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Wednesday, 4 October 2017 21:38 (two months ago) Permalink

*prefer THE glammier sound

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Wednesday, 4 October 2017 21:39 (two months ago) Permalink

Goat's Head Soup is a fucking SLOG.

― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, October 4, 2017 1:27 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you probably just weren't in the right mood, don't give up, try again in two years or something

brimstead, Wednesday, 4 October 2017 23:41 (two months ago) Permalink

"Angie" is by far my favorite, one of those 'last songs of the sixties'

brimstead, Wednesday, 4 October 2017 23:43 (two months ago) Permalink

i know, 73, i just mean that downer spirit. clemenza or somebody knows what i mean

brimstead, Wednesday, 4 October 2017 23:45 (two months ago) Permalink

maybe "the sixties are over" is better

brimstead, Wednesday, 4 October 2017 23:46 (two months ago) Permalink

but hey i'm also the guy who sometimes thinks the second side of Tattoo You is one of the better things they did.

― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will)

agreed

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 October 2017 23:47 (two months ago) Permalink

Another vote for Tattoo Two Side You

calstars, Thursday, 5 October 2017 00:13 (two months ago) Permalink

Man I love 'Worried About You'.

campreverb, Thursday, 5 October 2017 00:22 (two months ago) Permalink

Goat's Head is where I get off the Stones bus, but even then I think there's some filler on it. The sequencing is a joke too - 'Coming Down Again' third on side 1??? I worked up an alternate version a couple months ago for listening purposes:

1. 100 Years Ago (I think by Goats they were stuck in the rut of having a typical 'stones' song open an album, and 'Mr.D' always felt really forced, whereas '100 Years Ago' sounds much more interesting/unexpected in that slot)
2. Dancing In The Light (the old bootleg instrumental version, not the Exile deluxe one. There's a definite lack of Keith on Goat's and this track helps to alleviate that)
3. Heartbreaker
4. Angie
5. Tops (released on Tattoo You but recorded in 72. The vocals weren't done until 79/80 though, but it's one of my favourite Stones songs so I cheated and used the Tattoo version here. The opening chord blends with the final chord in Angie perfectly)
6. Separately (Taylor/Keith/Hopkins instrumental ballad done during the Exile sessions)
7. Waiting On A Friend (the 73 version with rough vocals and no sax)
8. Criss-Cross Mind (Goat's outtake, more uptempo than 'Can You Hear The Music')
9. Winter
10. Leather Jacket ('Silver Train' was from the Stargroves sessions in 1970, as was this, so pilfering from a few years back didn't seem out of place. The instrumentation fits in with the Goat's Head sound and it gives Taylor some songwriting credit)
11. I Ain't Signifying (the bootleg version with 72 era Mick vocals, not the Exile Deluxe version. I could've used 'Hide Your Love' but I like this better, esp. for the "have you ever had the feeling that you've been here before?" line)
12. Coming Down Again (the only way to end things imo)

whitehallunity, Thursday, 5 October 2017 01:24 (two months ago) Permalink

Excellent post
All that's missing is a download link

calstars, Thursday, 5 October 2017 01:29 (two months ago) Permalink

They pulled out "Dancing With Mr. D" for the obscure tracks/potty break section on early dates on the current tour.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 5 October 2017 01:46 (two months ago) Permalink

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51tT%2B9-yo9L._SY355_.jpg

i found a fair copy of The Rolling Stones "Made in the Shade" the other day for $5. it's a really great compilation of early-to-mid-70s stuff:

Side A
"Brown Sugar" 3:48
"Tumbling Dice" 3:45
"Happy" 3:04
"Dance Little Sister" 4:11
"Wild Horses" 5:42

Side B
"Angie" 4:33
"Bitch" 3:38
"It's Only Rock'n Roll (But I Like It)" 5:07
"Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker)" 3:26
"Rip This Joint" 2:22

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 5 October 2017 01:54 (two months ago) Permalink

i think "Goats Head Soup" would be my choice from this poll, love "Angie" and "Heartbreaker" (and "Dancing With Mr. D").

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 5 October 2017 01:55 (two months ago) Permalink

do we have a Stones bootleg thread?

calstars, Thursday, 5 October 2017 02:00 (two months ago) Permalink

whitehallunity delivers the goods! i wanna dig out that exile bonus disc now..

brimstead, Thursday, 5 October 2017 02:12 (two months ago) Permalink

Okay, so while this period of the Stones might not be everyone's favourite, but the very best of the material from this time still makes me think "fuck, I love the Stones" ... which is something I can't say of, for example, the Undercover era or Bridges to Babylon ...

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Thursday, 5 October 2017 06:09 (two months ago) Permalink

Excellent post
All that's missing is a download link

― calstars, Thursday, October 5, 2017 2:29 AM (yesterday)

whitehallunity delivers the goods! i wanna dig out that exile bonus disc now..

― brimstead, Thursday, October 5, 2017 3:12 AM (yesterday)

haha, I was sorta half-worried my post would've been a little too much for the thread, glad to see it was well received. Here's a link:

https://mega.nz/#!d6AEWZwZ!0mxVGYO7gWkp__i9NrqIfYUS43G-XWA0e5nkx4VXuwQ

Also, if you haven't seen it, here's a rough sketch of the originally proposed cover by Hipgnosis:

http://blog.casafina.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/u.png

which was later re-used for this:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41rX7-oPfFL._SY300_.jpg

whitehallunity, Friday, 6 October 2017 22:45 (two months ago) Permalink

lol had no idea that was the backstory to the Ride a Rock Horse cover

Οὖτις, Friday, 6 October 2017 22:47 (two months ago) Permalink

Hahaha
Thank you and cheers

calstars, Friday, 6 October 2017 22:47 (two months ago) Permalink

jagger crapping on mick taylor

new noise, Friday, 6 October 2017 22:56 (two months ago) Permalink

The Daltrey cover was designed by Graham Hughes, Roger's cousin. Dunno if he worked for/with Hipgnosis. Hughes also designed/photographed the Quadrophenia and Odds and Sods covers.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 7 October 2017 00:07 (two months ago) Permalink

def feel a certain way about that Keef horse

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 7 October 2017 04:55 (two months ago) Permalink


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