"[song / album] basically invented [band / genre]"

revisiting codename dustsucker and i've gotta say (and someone probably did) that track one basically invented grizzly bear

NickB posted this on the Bark Psychosis: C or D thread a little while ago, but it's a sentiment I've seen before, and I like it.

Give amusing and insightful examples of this phenomenon, and discuss whether it is a phenomenon at all; is it even ontologically possible? (Have Grizzly Bear ever even heard "From What Is Said To When It's Read"?)

On the Neil Young thread about Tonight's The Night someone said a few years back that Borrowed Tune invented Deserter's Songs, i liked that one and it feels like it may be true.

In the late 80s, partly inspired by an article in The Face magazine (see photo!), people used to say that Get The Balance Right by Depeche Mode invented House music. No-one really says that anymore sadly, and the song has largely been forgotten by the lay person and maybe even by the casual fan.

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/201713942400-0-1/s-l1000.jpg

Hah! #34 is the song I submitted to Popjustice's "Song for Spray" competition, based upon the thesis that those sped up CRY! CRY! bits at the end basically invented Scooter ten years before the fact, and as such is PRIME for a disrespectful, sped-up heliumed cover version.

Lots of great stuff in there, but yeah, #22 is the best.

― edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 11:15 (twelve years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"Cry" by Godley & Creme -> Scooter

("RCR" is probably my fave non-"rumble" track of his. although, sure, "Hidden Charms" is jaw-dropping; not hard to hear why the Gories covered it - he basically invented 'em there.)

That Missing Links series of 4 cds that Norton put out is totally worth hearing. Chock full of the good stuff.

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 04:44 (eleven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Link Wray -> The Gories

BSB - SO many classics, both the ballads ("show me the meaning of being lonely" 4eva) and the bangers (they basically invented max martin with "larger than life" etc). i own their greatest hits and pretty much everything on it is a keeper

― lex pretend, Monday, 11 February 2013 23:40 (four years ago) Permalink

Backstreet Boys -> Max Martin

There's a lot of these on ILM.

'Dangerous' era MJ -> Justin Timberlake

From when the drums kick in on Radiohead's 'Exit Music (For a Film)' until the end of the track = Muse.

And in a way Jacques Brel's 'Ne Me Quitte Pas' / Leonard Cohen's 'Partisan' invented the first part of that song

"In the late 80s, partly inspired by an article in The Face magazine (see photo!), people used to say that Get The Balance Right by Depeche Mode invented House music."

I thought Thousand Finger Man by Candido invented house?

It was Jack

There are pages and pages of results if you post search "basically invented"!

re: that face cover - man, roy orbison really looked different before he died, huh

trevor horn vox era YES invented synth-pop

Maybe didn't invent ALL of Britpop, but certainly invents Blur:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATJthAsfYYg

(Skip to 1 minute in if you hate fun. Also, yeah this is 1990, the studio recording's from like 1984 and sounds just like this + isn't on Youtube)

They were already a band at that point, but I like to pretend the Melvins' cover of the Cars' "Candy-O" was a blueprint for Nirvana

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FXNfyB-qLY

Bridget St John's "Lazarus" sure seems like a Bad Seeds track issued 12 years before that was possible, and given that both she and the Birthday Party were Peel favorites, I assume Cave was exposed to her, though I've never heard the influence spoken of directly. The bashing steady rhythm, warbles of feedback and harmonics, the slow build without a chord progression, the half-spoken prosaic bible imagery rendered as southern gothic...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9DT-BwEvMc

^ also the red and black album cover with moody portraits of the singer!

i think my favourite one of these was the claim that Indian musician Charanjit Singh invented house music in 1982 with his Ten Ragas to a Disco Beat album

thread here:
did India invent house music

"leave house" / swim (caribou / dan snaith) basically invented the new LCD Soundsystem album

Really?

just opened the tonight's the night thread and was greeted with:

Borrowed Tune pretty much invents Deserter's Songs, btw. God, what an album this is.

Ah, fuck it - gotta vote for the best song, not the dark horse. Tired Eyes, dudes.

― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Friday, July 12, 2013 1:58 AM (four years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

jimmywine majestic / mizzell totally otm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyiPIZHIl_k

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The Comsat Angels b-side 'Home Is The Range' invented Mission of Burma in 1980

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aryRC84uGIo

"mendle" (mr. fox) --> spires that in the sunset rise

Bridget St John's "Lazarus" sure seems like a Bad Seeds track issued 12 years before that was possible, and given that both she and the Birthday Party were Peel favorites, I assume Cave was exposed to her, though I've never heard the influence spoken of directly. The bashing steady rhythm, warbles of feedback and harmonics, the slow build without a chord progression, the half-spoken prosaic bible imagery rendered as southern gothic...
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Was he still playing her at the time taht Cave arrived from Australia? Not sure he would have been hearing him before taht. Or was Peel on International broadcasts by the BBC?

I hear a lot of the Bad Seeds in Charlie Rich's turn of the 70s stuff too.

Dancing Barefoot by Patti Smith basically invented The Mission

Mission of Burma's first single came out in 1980 though. Maybe they invented Comsat Angels?

I remember hearing Jeff Tweedy claim, in onstage banter, that he and his youthful colleagues "invented country rock." Presumably he meant Uncle Tupelo. False. They didn't invent alt-country either, but it would have been a more defensible claim.

rats, I thought academy fight song was 81. Maybe there's a pere ubu song that invents them both anyway

Xp 2 cp

swans soundtracks for the blind -> gybe

oh yea and pere ubu modern dance -> black eyes

What's Happening by the Byrds basically invented baggy in 1966

"aegean sea" (aphrodite's child) pretty much invented air. eviva ellas!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7Je131KuyE

Not my area of expertise but Bowie's "Cat People" sounds to me like it invented latter period Sisters of Mercy.

Also 'Icy Lake' and Night Slugs/Fade to Mind, although they didn't discover and reissue it until later on. Maybe 'Moments in Love' for real though?

What's Happening by the Byrds basically invented baggy in 1966

― plp will eat itself (NickB), Monday, 18 September 2017 16:18 (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh I recently claimed this song invented MBV!

Def hear why you'd say that.

Gregorian chant invented almost everything btw

That beat just reminds me of the funky drummer shuffle thing that the mock turtles and those goobers who covered 'I'm Free' were really caning in 1990-ish xps

Ariel Pink's lo-fi records (The Doldrums, Worn Copy, House Arrest, Scared Famous, Loverboy, FF>>) basically invented chillwave. unfortunately

We can go earlier for chillwave I'm sure

sure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO_LX-m74uw

He inspired a raft of kids to buy old 4tracks & 8tracks and make that very specific muddy/washed out bedroom pop. Distinct from 'bedroom pop' sounds & artists prior. His influence is still obvious & prevalent. Chillwave fizzled out, but his methods & his sounds & his influences (80s pop, 70s soft rock) continue to permeate home recording.

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you could say R. Stevie Moore invented Ariel Pink though

Sure. But AP ultimately had far more exposure & influence. He helped RSM's career significantly.

I was going to go with "Feel Flows" as the Beach Boys song that invented Chillwave, but maybe that's more of a Hypnagogic Pop sort of thing.

And Jan Hammer invented Air:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7oilg2Satg

Ryuichi Sakamoto circa Illustrated Musical Encyclopedia basically invented vaporwave

Ha, I am listening to yasuaki shimizu's music for commercials right now and was thinking the exact same thing about that!

I was going to go with "Feel Flows" as the Beach Boys song that invented Chillwave, but maybe that's more of a Hypnagogic Pop sort of thing.

That's what I was thinking of. AP popularized hypnagogic pop, which persists. Chillwave was a flash in the pan.

Jon Anderson invented Animal Collective

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjHPTwVj5ps

In that case, he can go fuck himself.

Wendy Carlos invented new age (with "Winter", "Spring", and "Fall") and dark ambient (with "Summer")

Anne Joyal invented the Cocteau Twins (with "Eveil")

This thread be for finding bands/songs that accurrately predate the sound of a really popular artist that came later invented this thread

Woah that Jon anderson does sound like animal collective

whoa it really does. also the ascending vocal harmony in the very beginning sounds exactly like one of the movements in the first half of Koyaanisqatsi.

Wendy Carlos def. invented new age! right on unreg

im pretty guilty of this lol many people have chased me out of Beatles threads for saying they invented drum and bass or something.

rn im into:

The Doors "Strange Days" invented goth rock

The Cure's "Pornography" album in particular

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NSz-9qqgKE

The story I read is that John Cale brought these two singles back from a visit to the UK, and when he and Lou listened, they looked at each other and said, jeez, we gotta put out a record soon, or else everyone will think we're copying these bands:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPUe6INoiAY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43Dc9BsHhDY

Hehehehe I remember reading somewhere that 'Anyway, Anyhow, Anywhere' kept getting returned to record stores because those that bought it thought there was sone kind of fault with the pressing due to the feedback.

That Jon Anderson one is a good catch! One I always thought sounded like Sung Tongs-era AnCo is 'The Sea Beasts' by Tyrannosaurus Rex.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO_azafYw20

ha whoa, good catch! not to derail the thread, but on the T-Rex / AC tip, "Grass" sounds so much like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcOmQzW6tQE

Therefore, we can basically ascertain that, in turn, Animal Collective basically invented fuck-all.

im pretty guilty of this lol many people have chased me out of Beatles threads for saying they invented drum and bass or something.

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, September 22, 2017 12:58 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

A kid I went to college with was really into the idea that "Taxman" basically invented Beck.

Queen's "Don't Stop Me Now" basically invented Rufus Wainwright.

The first Ace Frehley solo album basically invented Foo Fighters.

Sometimes I like to playfully assert that Lucio Battisti 'basically invented' Bark Psychosis with the first track on Anima Latina. So I'll do that here. It's very nice anyway.

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Sure, if Beck had only ever released 'The New Pollution'(!)

devil's haircut too

nah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH0G1o8xbt4

one of my favorite grunge songs of 1967.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdxEinJoYmI

Judas Priest's "Victim of Changes" invented Jane's Addiction

Los Saicos - Demolición invented punk in 1963

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=haVaaDLwWvI

Well either them or The Phantom - Love Me a year before:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8zgsIdMa8qA

Los Saicos have the edge over the claim imho because "demolicion" is closer to a rebellious anarchist song.

maresnest, flappy bird, moka etc if you haven't heard YES's "lightning strikes" / "can i?" / "face to face" sequence on the ladder check it out for the invention of merriweather post pavilion

Early T Rex feels like it was an influence on Animal Collective as well...

(Grass by AC particularly)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcOmQzW6tQE

hahaha, flappy bird literally posted this video yesterday :)

oh DAMN! yeah never saw that, but right on flappy :)

Sacred Harp singing invented Animal Collective

https://youtu.be/TWmCplTgflA

Bah, actually wanted that to embed, for once

http://youtu.be/TWmCplTgflA

Right on that T. Rex and Yes songs do sound very much like different Animal Collective albums. The early Marc Bolan albums I suppose pretty much invented 'freak folk'.

You could play a song like Afghan Woman or One Inch Rock or Atahualpa to fans of Devendra Banhart and fool them into thinking it was a deep cut:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaccPsMuBWU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRDr_k09EYI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK8AQKuF-Ec

Mississipi John Hurt was an essential influence on the first Devendra stuff

Modern Lovers s/t invented 2nd wave emo imo

revisiting codename dustsucker and i've gotta say (and someone probably did) that track one basically invented grizzly bear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba2vCuIxQAw

Surely Nelson Angelo and Joyce invented Grizzly Bear in 1972.

"The early Marc Bolan albums I suppose pretty much invented 'freak folk'."

i figured when that lot started going on about the 'old, weird america' they were talking about hoyt "floyd" ming and his pep-steppers, and not marc bolan. could be wrong on that though.

A kid I went to college with was really into the idea that "Taxman" basically invented Beck.

Taxman invented Television. feel like Beck (at least Odelay era) was more influenced by Them, to the point of sampling multiple times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Na6vnizsb8

Remo Four's "In the First Place" invented the Circulatory System

Van Dyke Parks' Song Cycle x Holy Modal Rounders' Indian War Whoop = Animal Collective

hildegard von bingen basically invented animal collective

Backstreet Boys -> Max Martin

― The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.)

But Max Martin wrote those songs.

@qualmsley - I will check out that sequence! lol @ the image of AC being inspired by a Yes album that came out in 1999, but I believe it based on that previous Anderson clip posted.

also, one more AC thing = "Melt the Guns" by XTC is uncannily similar to AC's Here Comes the Indian, particularly "Native Belle."

"invents" site:nobilliards.blogspot.com (Then Play Long basically invented this)

oh, just google it

This Is The Dream of Evan and Chan -> The Postal Service

Well yeah but then “evan and chan” is a postal service song.

Also their best song imho

T. Rex "Elemental Childe" invented Van Halen

That takeoff after the sad, slow first verse—it’s what the word rollicking was invented for. The song invented the word.
Greil Marcus on American Pie
https://greilmarcus.net/ask-greil-2/