St. Vincent - MASSEDUCTION (5th album, October 13 2017)

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1. "Hang on Me" 2:48
2. "Pills" 4:40
3. "Masseduction" 3:17
4. "Sugarboy" 4:01
5. "Los Ageless" 4:41
6. "Happy Birthday, Johnny" 2:58
7. "Savior" 3:26
8. "New York" 2:34
9. "Fear the Future" 2:31
10. "Young Lover" 3:33
11. "Dancing with a Ghost" 0:46
12. "Slow Disco" 2:44
13. "Smoking Section" 3:37

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TPqUvy1vYU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8jxAKmojxY

monotony, Thursday, 7 September 2017 00:20 (nine months ago) Permalink

yikesss this is really bad

ripersnifle, Thursday, 7 September 2017 02:10 (nine months ago) Permalink

I'm still only ok on "New York", but "Los Ageless" is cool. Maybe a little more straightforward than I was expecting, but catchy enough to make up for it

Vinnie, Thursday, 7 September 2017 03:38 (nine months ago) Permalink

Yeah, I don't like either of these. Also, that cover art.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 7 September 2017 03:53 (nine months ago) Permalink

cover rules

flappy bird, Thursday, 7 September 2017 06:30 (nine months ago) Permalink

totally

niels, Thursday, 7 September 2017 07:11 (nine months ago) Permalink

both songs sound wonderful! love her sense of melody

niels, Thursday, 7 September 2017 07:13 (nine months ago) Permalink

Taylor should've asked Clark for help rather than Antonoff

niels, Thursday, 7 September 2017 07:13 (nine months ago) Permalink

Los Ageless is a total banger! She could play arenas with that.

Enjoying this more than the s/t singles (much as I respect that record I think it relied to heavily on a concept for me to fully enjoy)

niels, Thursday, 7 September 2017 07:20 (nine months ago) Permalink

the album art + the visual aesthetics for this record is great, "new york" is fine, i'm not feeling "los ageless" at all

joshywinty (josh), Thursday, 7 September 2017 07:32 (nine months ago) Permalink

What was the concept of the s/t?

Her tweeting about anti-capitalism when she advertises Tiffany and has her own line of signature guitars is nagl. By all means make money off your work to pay your mortgage but don't pretend to be counter culture when you're schilling really expensive VIP tickets.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 7 September 2017 07:47 (nine months ago) Permalink

Even trv kvlt anarcho-commies gotta eat..

I loved loved loved the last album but I've a horrible feeling about this one. 'New York' is just a really bad song in every respect. We don't need ANOTHER song like this.
Los Ageless is okay on first listen but lacks the spikiness of her previous productions that made them so interesting.
This sounds like it's going to be her attempt at making a full-on Taylor Swift pop album, which in any other case would be a well-advised move, but not at the expense of sounding generic pls.

Shat Parp (dog latin), Thursday, 7 September 2017 08:21 (nine months ago) Permalink

believe s/t was a lot about the internet and modern life?

niels, Thursday, 7 September 2017 09:24 (nine months ago) Permalink

I was listening to Release Radar in the background when New York came on and slowly grabbed my attention until I was like "wait a minute this is a new st vincent track!"

niels, Thursday, 7 September 2017 09:25 (nine months ago) Permalink

I like the ridiculous cover art but that’s about it. Both of the singles, “Los Ageless” especially, just sound so bland to me. She’s already been hinting at this middle-of-the-road production style with the s/t bonus tracks (“Bad Believer” and “Teenage Talk”) but I was hoping she wouldn’t go further down that road. Oh well.

ˈʌglɪɪst preɪ, Thursday, 7 September 2017 11:32 (nine months ago) Permalink

Yeah I wasn't into those songs either

Shat Parp (dog latin), Thursday, 7 September 2017 11:41 (nine months ago) Permalink

the fetish porn aesthetic is interesting, but fetish porn is kind of difficult to subvert. haven't heard the new songs. will probably listen once the album is out.

bob lefse (rushomancy), Thursday, 7 September 2017 12:35 (nine months ago) Permalink

Taylor should've asked Clark for help rather than Antonof

But...Antonoff produced this record too?

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 7 September 2017 13:56 (nine months ago) Permalink

I had no idea Antonoff was involved but I immediately felt like "Los Ageless" had some shared DNA with the new Taylor songs

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 7 September 2017 13:57 (nine months ago) Permalink

She's decided to be a pop star rather than a musician, it seems.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:11 (nine months ago) Permalink

oh cool let's play that dichotomy again

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:25 (nine months ago) Permalink

it's a crappy way of putting it, but most of the stuff she's released since after the s/t album does sound like a different artist - Los Ageless could be by anyone really, and New York is almost begging to be used in an episode of some quirky indie comedy-drama.
There's not a lot rubbing up against itself on these tracks, and as such they seem to slip through my ears almost a little too fluidly.
The music, the cover aesthetic, makes me expect a passage on the album "I'm sorry, the old Annie can't come to the phone right now, Why? Oh, 'cause she's dead!"

Shat Parp (dog latin), Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:35 (nine months ago) Permalink

But...Antonoff produced this record too?
whaaaaaat!!!!

niels, Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:38 (nine months ago) Permalink

idg the complaints tho, she's been writing strong melodies from day 1, she's a crossover artist, kinda like Byrne

niels, Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:39 (nine months ago) Permalink

Yeah man.

...she worked with producer Jack Antonoff, whom she connected with over a dinner in Los Angeles. “She was very open about the things in her life,” said Antonoff about the dinner date. “That’s what I was interested in. Continuing to reveal more and more. I said, ‘Let’s go for the lyrics that people will tattoo on their arms.’”

There's a Song Exploder podcast where she talks about working with him too.

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:43 (nine months ago) Permalink

cool, I'll check that out!

re new vs old Clark, even if it's in part due to her distinctive vocals, surely most attentive listeners would recognize the new songs as St Vincent songs

niels, Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:45 (nine months ago) Permalink

idg the complaints tho, she's been writing strong melodies from day 1, she's a crossover artist, kinda like Byrne

― niels, Thursday, September 7, 2017 3:39 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Don't think anyone's complaining about 'strong melodies', rather than a drift into generic songwriting and production.

Shat Parp (dog latin), Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:45 (nine months ago) Permalink

Have people heard the whole album yet? I would before jumping to conclusions. She might have a couple uber dancy pop singles, but still do the avant pop that she does elsewhere. She's a great guitar player, I hope she didn't put her guitar away for all of them.

Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:46 (nine months ago) Permalink

Yes it's crappy and reductive to pull it into a dichotomy like that, but, as far as most people who aren't ilxors are concerned, it's a pretty simple way of describing what's going on, and simple ways of describing things can be very useful.

I thought New York was a pleasant enough song, if inconsequential, but that it lacked some of what I think of as SV's USPs - her fucking awesome guitar playing, for one. Probably the biggest one, in fact. I was excited at the idea of their being a new album, though.

Likewise one can only really tell Los Ageless is even by SV because of her voice, which feels like a shame, because I thought there was more to her than just that. But the arrangement / production feels really anonymous to me, just big modern whooshy pop that anyone could sing over. If that's what she wants to do that's fine, but it's not, I don't think at this stage, what I'm interested in from her. That said, I like the way the outro goes quiet and minimal, and the difference in tone between this and NYNY might mean there are some interesting tensions on the album.

As a rule I'm happy for people to move and and find new creative partnerships, and actually, in this case, I felt like the self-titled had taken her relationship with John Congelton as far as it could go. I'm just not excited about the album now like I would have been a few years ago.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 7 September 2017 15:10 (nine months ago) Permalink

woof these songs are bad :/

i want her signature guitar so bad, v cool looking

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:25 (nine months ago) Permalink

xpost Very well said; I feel the same way. Both of the singles are basically anonymous in their genericness — and Annie’s voice alone isn’t distinctive or unique enough to turn them into tracks instantly recognizable as St. Vincent’s. Or maybe I just miss the deadpan delivery over her idiosyncratic arrangements and shredding, and projecting these expectations is just very rockist of me? Of course these two songs are not necessarily representative of the remaining 11 tracks but they definitely deflated my excitement for the album.

ˈʌglɪɪst preɪ, Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:26 (nine months ago) Permalink

i saw Annie open for The National many years ago and have followed along ever since and my take on her has never changed: I think she's cool and important and talented and a visionary and I just don't like her music much.

oh well ... my loss!

alpine static, Friday, 8 September 2017 03:30 (nine months ago) Permalink

My reactions to her music are normally aesthetic rather than emotional, if that makes sense. Which is why an aesthetic shift is a big deal if it goes the wrong way for me.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 8 September 2017 05:46 (nine months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

I like the new songs. I wonder if this is sponcon though

https://image.ibb.co/gWGKTw/Screen_Shot_2017_10_09_at_6_14_50_PM.png

Frozen CD, Monday, 9 October 2017 22:20 (eight months ago) Permalink

her classically minded, sweetly coy 2007 debut Actor

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 9 October 2017 22:31 (eight months ago) Permalink

I could understand making a mistake like that if you're an outsider writing about Guided By Voices or someone else with a zillion albums, but St. Vincent has, like, five.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 9 October 2017 23:21 (eight months ago) Permalink

jesus I didn't realize she'd been around that long. in my mind she was always a strictly '10s artist. i went and looked at her discography at went ohhhh yeah! at the cover of Actor. was Love This Giant seriously 5 years ago???

flappy bird, Monday, 9 October 2017 23:29 (eight months ago) Permalink

Yeah, she's been around long enough that people originally cared she was friends with Sufjan Stevens...so you know it's been a while.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 9 October 2017 23:33 (eight months ago) Permalink

37 state themed albums ago

you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 02:03 (eight months ago) Permalink

and she was in the Polyphonic Spree! bizarre

flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 02:19 (eight months ago) Permalink

That's more of a footnote. Hundreds of people were in the Polyphonic Spree.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 03:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

(Mainly I just wanted to clown on Sufjan's 20-teens irrelevance.)

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 03:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

I will assert that his last album is very good and easily his best as penance for my own sufjan clowning

you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 03:57 (eight months ago) Permalink

yea i agree although i can't really listen to it, i like illinois more but carrie & lowell prevented him from becoming stuck in the aughts

flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 04:35 (eight months ago) Permalink

seven swans is all time but carrie and lowell is a good contender for best

Week of Wonders (Ross), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 04:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

Another new one. It's very At War With The Mystics.

https://youtu.be/hwFx0ROBf7o

kitchen person, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

hmm not for me, too concept-y

niels, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 21:03 (eight months ago) Permalink

Good album. Definitely not as instant as the self titled. Love how she uses her voice throughout, some really incredible performances.

kitchen person, Thursday, 12 October 2017 15:23 (eight months ago) Permalink

pills really reminds me of the stuff she was doing with byrne

Week of Wonders (Ross), Thursday, 12 October 2017 16:43 (eight months ago) Permalink

CD arriving tomorrow so not bothered d/l the leak

starving street dogs of punk rock (Odysseus), Thursday, 12 October 2017 17:25 (eight months ago) Permalink

I love the bit in the "Los Ageless" bridge that feels a little bit like it's pastiching Beck's "E-Pro".

Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:02 (eight months ago) Permalink

i dunno, that live show sounds pretty interesting. I saw the Knife tour as well and also thought that was interesting. Do I think everyone should perform this way? no, but it's a bit laurie anderson-esque and I miss that kind of artsy performance wank.

akm, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 19:48 (eight months ago) Permalink

^ I don't know, maybe you're right, but to be honest I kind of don't care about her visual half-assed art-student commentary on consumer culture or whatever she's trying to present with her current imagery. Maybe I'm just old but I'd rather see her playing for an hour with a tight rhythm section than witness what is basically a colourful karaoke.

ˈʌglɪɪst preɪ, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 21:23 (eight months ago) Permalink

Thanks for the suggestions re NIN comparisons. So far, this still doesn't feel like my thing (although I liked Actor pretty well); if there's a way in, though, this will probably be it.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Thursday, 19 October 2017 03:34 (eight months ago) Permalink

I listened to this yesterday and found it quite moving, which surprised me. I usually enjoy StV on much more of a sweet riffs basis. Immediately after it Spotify stuck on "Antidote" (from Twilight Breaking Dawn Part II soundtrack, missed that one) and I thought it made a killer last track. Alas it does not belong.

Sugarboy the pick of the bunch for me, but the singles (as is so often the case) sound so much better sat in the album.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Thursday, 19 October 2017 07:52 (eight months ago) Permalink

Lorde's live show? Or St Vincent's?

St Vincent's. Several people I know were there and said things along the lines of 'visually great but musically flat and lifeless'. By all accounts Lorde's most recent live shows were fantastic.

Matt DC, Thursday, 19 October 2017 08:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

From what I understand a lot of her music is made alone, sat at the computer with her guitar on a very grid-based system, so maybe that's why? I think the flatness is sort of part of it in a way? You either like it or you don't.

Shat Parp (dog latin), Friday, 20 October 2017 11:26 (eight months ago) Permalink

Shitloads of modern music is made like that without that flatness though.

Matt DC, Friday, 20 October 2017 11:35 (eight months ago) Permalink

sure, i mean, i don't notice it or get bothered about it as much as you do though. there's plenty of music that does my head in (Four Tet, Caribou) for exactly the reasons you describe (too much mid-range, flat, lifeless and awkward-sounding) but I like St Vincent's production and sound choices

Shat Parp (dog latin), Friday, 20 October 2017 11:50 (eight months ago) Permalink

then again, i'm a big fan of things like Talking Heads and that nervous, twitchy, slightly stilted funk is something i really enjoy

Shat Parp (dog latin), Friday, 20 October 2017 11:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

so far i don't think this is her best album for me though. it feels like her tics are starting to show and while it's by far her most accessible work, it's the first one that feels arch or affected somehow

Shat Parp (dog latin), Friday, 20 October 2017 11:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

lol that apparently my problem with St Vincent up until now is that she wasn't arch enough

Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Friday, 20 October 2017 13:34 (eight months ago) Permalink

"Pills" is super.

Freedom, Wednesday, 25 October 2017 20:09 (seven months ago) Permalink

Was humming this song as I reached for the Advil following my evening workout:

Pills for my head
Pills for my back
Pills for my knee
Pills for my neck
Oyyyy, pilllllsssss!

Moodles, Wednesday, 25 October 2017 20:11 (seven months ago) Permalink

I also love that "Pills" follows in the footsteps of "Inbetween Days", "Dreams Never End", and other I-IV pop anthems.

Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Wednesday, 25 October 2017 20:23 (seven months ago) Permalink

i LOVE this record. have never gotten anything out of her other stuff. idk.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 25 October 2017 23:03 (seven months ago) Permalink

otm

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 October 2017 23:52 (seven months ago) Permalink

I have got *something* out of her stuff before, but found it immune to love. This album may break down that barrier.

Freedom, Thursday, 26 October 2017 09:12 (seven months ago) Permalink

Just not feeling this album so far and I'm not sure why. Feels like a more affected St Vincent, sheened up with the edges razed off. Starting to think Actor is her most genuine-sounding record with the s/t her musical peak. Not that this is a 'bad' album - it's her most accessible to date, but her style is getting predictable and I'm starting to feel worn down by it

Shat Parp (dog latin), Thursday, 26 October 2017 13:18 (seven months ago) Permalink

oh I just said that a few posts ago. I'm just repeating myself

Shat Parp (dog latin), Thursday, 26 October 2017 13:19 (seven months ago) Permalink

you're getting predictable

akm, Thursday, 26 October 2017 14:15 (seven months ago) Permalink

can't turn off what turns you off

you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 26 October 2017 14:16 (seven months ago) Permalink

Oh shit this is exactly what I’m looking for in a St Vincent album at the moment, haven’t listened much since Actor. Same sort of emotional range, but pitched up in intensity- it’s almost like turning up the saturation in a landscape photo. /badignorantanalogy

for the last while (Hunt3r), Friday, 27 October 2017 16:02 (seven months ago) Permalink

Repeating New York all night.

Week of Wonders (Ross), Saturday, 28 October 2017 07:59 (seven months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Never been a fan or heard any of her records, but I got this one and it's fucking great. Can't stop playing it.

flappy bird, Sunday, 12 November 2017 21:14 (seven months ago) Permalink

First album of hers I've gotten into but I can't stop playing it either. Took a little while to grow on me because it felt like there wasn't much oxygen until "New York" but it's just got a really interesting trajectory and flow. Love the between song interludes that are mixed really low, the key chain guitar parts and the devastating ballads. Front to back classic

Week of Wonders (Ross), Thursday, 16 November 2017 20:48 (seven months ago) Permalink

trying to decide whether it's worth it to pay exorbitant resale prices to see her live

pro: among my favorite albums of the year; I have money now; I don't do this much waffling about taking five cab rides, which is about how much it'd cost
con: exorbitant resale prices, the knowledge I've been ripped off by a middleman (for the hell of it I Googled the original owner of my Tori Amos ticket and his online presence had a tad too much MAGA for me to believe he was a Tori fan who had something come up last-minute)

sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Monday, 20 November 2017 21:39 (seven months ago) Permalink

(I don't really care about the reviews of the tour or it being largely backing tracks or whatnot -- The Knife's tour was similar and that's still among my top shows of the decade)

sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Monday, 20 November 2017 21:40 (seven months ago) Permalink

For what it's worth id say go :-)

In a slipshod style (Ross), Monday, 20 November 2017 22:01 (seven months ago) Permalink

definitely go! you'll regret not going later

flappy bird, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 05:16 (seven months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4HxWVA59zk

In a slipshod style (Ross), Thursday, 21 December 2017 17:00 (six months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

I've missed something somehow: I just noticed the press around the album repeatedly refers to her life/relationship becoming tabloid fodder.

What's that all about? I literally have no idea.

alpine static, Thursday, 11 January 2018 00:24 (five months ago) Permalink

Until about a year ago she was dating model/actress Cara Delevingne. Not sure if there was anything after that.

JRN, Thursday, 11 January 2018 01:31 (five months ago) Permalink

Kristen Stewart I think

flappy bird, Thursday, 11 January 2018 02:13 (five months ago) Permalink

o_O

niels, Thursday, 11 January 2018 06:02 (five months ago) Permalink

I've been listening to this album in the car, mostly, and now that I'm listening on headphones that tend to be a little more bass-heavy I'm realizing how punchy the low end is on this album! To the extent I checked to see if I'd switched to some EQ preset that was doing wonky things.

it's not bad, per se, but this is compressed in some interesting ways

mh, Monday, 22 January 2018 17:10 (five months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfYJt1O8ZjY

kolakube (Ross), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 02:13 (four months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKKbqntxRN4

kolakube (Ross), Thursday, 15 February 2018 05:16 (four months ago) Permalink

I watched a decent quality version of her one-person show on YouTube and it really had me annoyed that I didn't go to it when it came here.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Thursday, 15 February 2018 08:02 (four months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

This album rips. Sequencing is cool in that it starts with the comedown song - all wasted and sad and the party starts fittingly with “pills”.

after party for the apocalypse (Ross), Sunday, 15 April 2018 16:33 (two months ago) Permalink

I like that side A/side B is readily apparent from the sequencing.

valorous wokelord (silby), Sunday, 15 April 2018 16:36 (two months ago) Permalink

Totally. I love the slower songs near the end. The albums crammed with so many sonic details that there’s always something new and to hear. Usually the overly compressed production wouldn’t be my thing but it works here. Killer Floyd reference on “pills”

after party for the apocalypse (Ross), Sunday, 15 April 2018 16:41 (two months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

the new version of Slow Disco she just put out rules, I like it more than anything from the album

ufo, Thursday, 31 May 2018 16:15 (three weeks ago) Permalink

It’s great

Ross, Thursday, 31 May 2018 16:51 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I hope she puts out the solo piano/voice version of this record she supposedly has.

flappy bird, Thursday, 31 May 2018 17:03 (three weeks ago) Permalink

The acoustic performance linked above is wicked

Ross, Thursday, 31 May 2018 17:06 (three weeks ago) Permalink

She’s playing alongside Florence and chvrches at a festival here

Ross, Thursday, 31 May 2018 17:09 (three weeks ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Fast Slow Disco really deserves to be her first number one single. I'm obsessed with it right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNm0b2SCXxY

kitchen person, Friday, 22 June 2018 05:39 (ten hours ago) Permalink

Damn, that's a great song.

louise ck (milo z), Friday, 22 June 2018 06:28 (nine hours ago) Permalink

yeah, that's a v cool "alternate version"

apparently co-written with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joy_Williams_(singer)

niels, Friday, 22 June 2018 09:10 (seven hours ago) Permalink


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