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it's written in the book!

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Turn It on Again 10
Duchess 7
Misunderstanding 6
Heathaze 3
Guide Vocal 2
Duke's Travels 1
Please Don't Ask 1
Cul-de-sac 1
Behind the Lines 1
Alone Tonight 0
Man of Our Times 0
Duke's End 0


ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 26 June 2017 15:25 (three years ago) link

"Heathaze" or "Duchess" maybe

pray for BoJo (Noodle Vague), Monday, 26 June 2017 15:26 (three years ago) link

or "Turn It On Again" or "Duke's Travels/Duke's End" or

pray for BoJo (Noodle Vague), Monday, 26 June 2017 15:27 (three years ago) link

he's the

MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN OF OUR TIMES

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 26 June 2017 15:28 (three years ago) link

prefer the Face Value version of "Behind the Lines."

obv I vote for "Turn It On Again," their best single.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 June 2017 15:37 (three years ago) link

i can show you, i can show you
some of the people in my life

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 26 June 2017 15:38 (three years ago) link

This would have been a better album if they had stuck to the original idea of having a side-long piece of music. As I understand it the first three and last two tracks were originally intended to be seamless. Anyway, "Duchess".

heaven parker (anagram), Monday, 26 June 2017 15:41 (three years ago) link

16 year old me wd vote for Heathaze and I feel as close to that guy as ever

the trees and I are shook

pray for BoJo (Noodle Vague), Monday, 26 June 2017 15:42 (three years ago) link

'Turn it on Again'

I went through a brief phase, I guess, of exploring all the Genesis stuff, but the more that the years go by the more I realise that I don't need very much from this band. Foxtrot is an absolutely essential prog LP for me, but I can take or leave the rest of Gabriel-era Genesis. For Collins-era Genesis, I'll take A Trick of the Tail and a singles compilation, but that's about it.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Monday, 26 June 2017 15:44 (three years ago) link

imo no one ever talks about "cul-de-sac" so i'll prob vote for that, maybe my favorite ever genesis chorus

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 26 June 2017 15:47 (three years ago) link

but i'm also pulled toward the really excellent "back in nyc" rewrite "man of our times"

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 26 June 2017 15:48 (three years ago) link

it's a little uneven in tone with the split-up the epic and all but i think it still works even though "misunderstanding" feels like it belongs to some other project

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 26 June 2017 15:49 (three years ago) link

Heathaze all day long.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 26 June 2017 15:54 (three years ago) link

I love the hi-hats on "Cul de Sac."

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 June 2017 15:57 (three years ago) link

Gosh I love this album. Gonna be a tough one to vote

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 26 June 2017 16:08 (three years ago) link

TURN IT ON AGAIN

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 26 June 2017 16:13 (three years ago) link

Excellent album. It's Duchess for me, Heathaze is a close second.

Valentijn, Monday, 26 June 2017 19:11 (three years ago) link

Duchess, but only recently noticed that Man Of Our Times RULES

PaulTMA, Monday, 26 June 2017 21:56 (three years ago) link

Voted for the hit to piss off the proggy folks... :)

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Monday, 26 June 2017 22:46 (three years ago) link

lol geir polled this way back when, not sure why it never came up in a search

"Duke"'s Poll (Genesis, not Ellington)

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 30 June 2017 21:07 (three years ago) link

can't argue with those results

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 30 June 2017 21:37 (three years ago) link

Dutchess but also heathaze and most of this album, even Misunderstanding.

akm, Friday, 30 June 2017 21:42 (three years ago) link

I painted a 6-foot replica of this album cover in the hallway outside my dorm room back in 1987.

It's hard to beat the energy of "Behind The Lines" for an album lead-in, but i find the triad of Duchess/Guide Vocal/Man of the Times to be one of the Collins-era high points. "Turn It On Again" and "Misunderstanding" will garner many votes because of their crafty pop constructions, even if they lack much substance to chew on. So, i suppose, i'll cast a lonely vote for "Guide Vocal".

bodacious ignoramus, Saturday, 1 July 2017 02:26 (three years ago) link

Agree with Alfred on "Behind the Lines."

But I actually - gasp - like "Misunderstanding" more than "Turn it on Again."

space chipmunk (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 1 July 2017 02:30 (three years ago) link

Haven't listened to this in, ulp, 37 years. I'd forgotten how much the LP sounds like it was recorded on a 4-track. Really simple arrangements throughout, one part each, as if they just re-did the original jam sessions when it came to record. Never sounds too thin though. Outside the singles, love "Guide Vocal" and "Cul-De-Sac". But voted "Please Don't Ask" in the end; peak hello-you-must-be-going Phil IMO.

Jeff W, Sunday, 2 July 2017 11:13 (three years ago) link

I went for "Misunderstanding".

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 2 July 2017 15:01 (three years ago) link

"I'd forgotten how much the LP sounds like it was recorded on a 4-track" haha, this is true; it's also a testament to how strong the writing on most of the record is that it succeeds so well with a stripped down approach; compare it to And then there were three which is murky, cluttered, and filled with not very good material.

akm, Sunday, 2 July 2017 19:36 (three years ago) link

nah ATTWT is a way better album than Duke

heaven parker (anagram), Sunday, 2 July 2017 21:16 (three years ago) link

... looking further into The Archives 2, anyone interested might consider swapping out tracks as follows:

"Misunderstanding" for it's B-Side, Evidence Of Autumn.
"Turn It On Again" for the "Duchess" B-Side, Open Door.

The 2 replaced songs are fine songs, they just never really fit into the album for me (even if TIOA did once occupy the center transition of The Story of Albert). Sure it may make the middle of the album a little less catchy (and a lot more sappy), but, damn, this is the way i'll listen to Duke for the rest of my days.

bodacious ignoramus, Monday, 3 July 2017 07:06 (three years ago) link

Y'know, I think I will listen again to every '80s Genesis/Phil Collins LP from Duke to ...But Seriously this week. Yes, including No Jacket Required - I guess one more go 'round with that won't hurt, even if it leaves me with the same opinion it's always done.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Monday, 3 July 2017 20:56 (three years ago) link

Okay, so scratch what I said earlier about me only needing Foxtrot, A Trick of the Tail and a singles compilation. I've got Duke on now and I'm already beginning to wonder why I don't play this more often - I'd forgotten how much parts of 'Man of Our Times' remind me of Gary Numan. Genesis actually assimilated aspects of New Wave music into their sound quite well, which I guess makes sense when you think the members were still only between 29-30 years old when they made it. When I first started listening to Genesis' albums, it was of course when I was in the middle of a full-blown prog phase where I wanted everything to be 20 minutes long, be conceptual and have fast, technically precise musical parts, but I must confess - listening to this album now, it actually fits in more snugly with a lot of the stuff that I've been listening to over the last couple of years than I previously thought. As a result, I can easily see myself listening to '80s Genesis far more these days. I'm actually glad I decided to throw this on tonight. It'll be Phil's solo stuff that'll be the real test, though.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Monday, 3 July 2017 21:46 (three years ago) link

*it=this record.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Monday, 3 July 2017 21:46 (three years ago) link

"nah ATTWT is a way better album than Duke"

NO

akm, Monday, 3 July 2017 22:06 (three years ago) link

yeah no fuckin way

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 3 July 2017 22:13 (three years ago) link

Some of Phil's solo stuff is legitimately slammin.

bacon lettuce and tornado (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 3 July 2017 22:14 (three years ago) link

no jacket required has Take Me Home on it, there is nothing wrong with that song.

akm, Monday, 3 July 2017 22:27 (three years ago) link

Almost everything Phil plays on up to and including No Jacket is worthwhile, imo. Virtually nothing since, really, save a few Genesis songs and one or two guest spots, maybe. Regardless, he's the epitome of a guy who has done so much almost undeniably good stuff that still unjustifiably gets people shrugging and saying, "yeah, but so what, what else has he done?"

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 3 July 2017 22:40 (three years ago) link

Hmm. Face Value on now. 'In The Air Tonight' is still as potent as ever, and 'The Roof is Leaking' into 'Droned' is a really nice moment. The version of 'Behind The Lines' on this isn't as good as the version on Duke, though, and the second half of the record is a bit of a slog. 'If Leaving Me Is Easy' in particular is bland, go-nowhere smoothness. 'Hand in Hand' has a promising intro, but then the horns come in and it turns into chat show theme tune music.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Monday, 3 July 2017 23:00 (three years ago) link

I like his version of 'Tomorrow Never Knows', though!

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Monday, 3 July 2017 23:03 (three years ago) link

I Missed Again is a jam.

honda for the goyim (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 3 July 2017 23:07 (three years ago) link

I Missed Again is beautiful. I take If Leaving Me is Easy as his attempt to write a John Martyn track with keyboards.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 July 2017 23:10 (three years ago) link

"In The Air Tonight" was supposed to be on Duke, but Banks voted it out, apparently. Still, that tune and a handful of other singles (most notably, "Easy Lover") is the only "solo" Collins i'll go back to.

bodacious ignoramus, Monday, 3 July 2017 23:44 (three years ago) link

Almost everything Phil plays on up to and including No Jacket is worthwhile, imo. Virtually nothing since, really

agreed with the first point, disagreed with the second as i like most of invisible touch

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 03:43 (three years ago) link

Oh, my bad, I totally meant to include Invisible Touch. I forgot that came out right after No Jacket!

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 04:49 (three years ago) link

Hello, I Must Be Going is pretty slept on. "I Cannot Believe it's True" is a monster of a tune, best use of the EWF horns ever. Ditto for "It Don't Matter to Me". Funky Phil rules.

cock chirea, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 05:08 (three years ago) link

Well, I managed to get through those quite quickly (there's only 8 LP's, after all) ... I'll elaborate later, but basically I'd rank 'em like this:

Duke > Invisible Touch > Abacab > Genesis >>> all Phil Collins solo albums.

However, his solo work is not all terrible - there's one or two good (even great in the case of 'In the Air Tonight') tracks on each album - including No Jacket Required, which still mostly feels to me like it should come with a free briefcase and filofax. Also: horns - love 'em on Parliament and Prince records, sound incredibly tacky on Phil Collins records.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 09:03 (three years ago) link

A lot of '70s Genesis fans tend to see the '80s Genesis as the moment when Phil Collins started dragging the band in a more pop direction, but I disagree with this. If anything, '80s Genesis was Banks and Rutherford dragging Collins away from blandness.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 09:08 (three years ago) link

Heathaze is great, as is the whole Duke's Travels/End - but it's got to be Duchess for me. Just that transition from trippy new age drum machine reverie (sounds like some tranquil Amazonian paradise, teeming with insect life) into crashing, colossal and psychedelic anthemisms will never not thrill me. I wish it went on for hours and hours.

Shanty Brunch (stevie), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 10:22 (three years ago) link

"I Cannot Believe it's True" is a monster of a tune, best use of the EWF horns ever. Ditto for "It Don't Matter to Me". Funky Phil rules.

Also this. The drums on IDMTM - shuffling, shifting, tumbling over each other without ever not being in the pocket, are mind-blowing.

Shanty Brunch (stevie), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 10:23 (three years ago) link

It's an unpopular opinion, but I too prefer ATTW3. They sound far more of a unit on Duke, but the previous album to me is as underrated as it comes. Let the album gets very little love, least of all from the band

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 10:55 (three years ago) link

I've probably listened to this album > 50 times, including a few times just this month. But after glancing at the poll results, I couldn't bring to mind the song "Heathaze" (which got 3 votes, and is repped several times in this thread).
So finally I went to youtube and brought it up. And I'm still not sure I've ever heard this song before in my life.

enochroot, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 01:58 (two years ago) link

You must feel like an alien — a stranger, in an alien land.

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 05:32 (two years ago) link

I love that song. As a very I*N*T*E*N*S*E 10yo Genesis obsessive it inspired me to write a very bad short story about a cowboy environmentalist on a horse who travelled from city to city sabotaging nuclear power plants.

Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 10:32 (two years ago) link

I pray that the story is never discovered.

Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 10:32 (two years ago) link

how the fuck did man of our times get zero votes

― ant banks and wasp (voodoo chili), Tuesday, July 24, 2018 4:08 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

OTM! It sounds like a long lost Gary Numan track (well, it would if it wasn't for that Banksian twiddly keyboard lick that pops up from time to time) ...

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 17:52 (two years ago) link

man of our times is epic! could fit on the lamb even.

kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 18:16 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

This album is a revelation. Soulful Phil vs Prog

calstars, Sunday, 10 January 2021 23:44 (two weeks ago) link

It's way better than And Then There Were Three

fish quits shock (Matt #2), Sunday, 10 January 2021 23:49 (two weeks ago) link

I think I posted on a different Genesis thread that this is really the best of both Genesis worlds.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 11 January 2021 00:01 (two weeks ago) link

yeah I really fell in love with this album this year, picked it up on vinyl for cheap on a whim

so good

such a weird record

like you couldn't be a band that made a record like this unless you'd already been one type of band and were turning into another type of band

but you couldn't start out or end up being a band like this (on duke and also abacab)

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 11 January 2021 00:02 (two weeks ago) link

yes

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 11 January 2021 00:07 (two weeks ago) link

omg i forgot i made this poll

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 11 January 2021 00:08 (two weeks ago) link

Please don’t ask is so cringey, Phil exposing his feelings too much !

calstars, Monday, 11 January 2021 01:45 (two weeks ago) link

I just listened to it for the first time and "Please Don't Ask" was the easy standout for me. I hate "Misunderstanding" tbh

stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Monday, 11 January 2021 03:06 (two weeks ago) link

"Misunderstanding" has such great, simple drums.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 11 January 2021 03:36 (two weeks ago) link

Phil is amazing, so much range as a drummer. so few were with his insane chops would do that

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 11 January 2021 03:44 (two weeks ago) link

Misunderstanding is post-Gabriel Genesis doing Supertramp yet I still love it.

fish quits shock (Matt #2), Monday, 11 January 2021 10:29 (two weeks ago) link

Duchess is so amazing. Recommend me electronic music that sounds like the first two minutes of Duchess (esp the Three Sides Live version)

SDFG SDFG SDFG SDFG SDFG SDFG SF (stevie), Monday, 11 January 2021 11:23 (two weeks ago) link

I think I had the CD long box of this on my wall back when I would save them as posters.

Jimi Buffett (PBKR), Monday, 11 January 2021 12:53 (two weeks ago) link

XP - Maybe the first couple of OMD albums or some Monoton?

Maresn3st, Monday, 11 January 2021 13:03 (two weeks ago) link

This album was a great disappointment to me after ATTWT, which is still one of my favourite Genesis albums. The songs that go to make up the Duke suite are excellent, but it was a real failure of nerve not to put them together as they should have been. Misunderstanding and Please Don't Ask are just dross and should have been saved for Collins's solo albums, where they would have fit much better. The problem was that both Banks and Rutherford had just made excellent solo albums and had used up all of their best material on those. This was the beginning of the end for my many years of Genesis fandom. Sad!

joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Monday, 11 January 2021 13:04 (two weeks ago) link

"Genesis' Duke . . . anybody remember that album. Genesis' Duke. You're no ATTWT, one of the great Genesis albums. . . The Duke suite . . . songs are excellent, but they were such losers not to put them together as they should have been. Misunderstanding and Please Don't Ask were Very Bad! Banks and Rutherford used up all of their best material. Duke! More like Duchess! This was the beginning of the end for my many years of Genesis fandom. Sad!"

Jimi Buffett (PBKR), Monday, 11 January 2021 13:23 (two weeks ago) link

vg :)

joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Monday, 11 January 2021 13:28 (two weeks ago) link

In its original form, "Behind the Lines", "Duchess", "Guide Vocal", "Turn It On Again", "Duke's Travels", and "Duke's End" were one 30-minute track that told a story of a fictional character named Albert which had a working title of "Duke". The group chose this name because the fanfare melodies on "Behind the Lines" and "Duke's End" conjured an image of royalty.[16] The band decided against sequencing the tracks this way on the album, partly to avoid comparisons to their 23-minute track "Supper's Ready" from Foxtrot, but also to have certain segments of the suite, such as "Duchess" and "Turn It On Again", released as singles.

fish quits shock (Matt #2), Monday, 11 January 2021 13:33 (two weeks ago) link

Misunderstanding is post-Gabriel Genesis doing Supertramp yet I still love it.

― fish quits shock (Matt #2), M

omigod

yeah that nails Misundestanding tbh

SDFG SDFG SDFG SDFG SDFG SDFG SF (stevie), Monday, 11 January 2021 14:32 (two weeks ago) link

xxxxpost thanks maresnest!

SDFG SDFG SDFG SDFG SDFG SDFG SF (stevie), Monday, 11 January 2021 14:32 (two weeks ago) link

They did roll the Duke songs together on the 1980 tour, with some introductory context - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5tt-TboWaQ

Maresn3st, Monday, 11 January 2021 14:36 (two weeks ago) link

how the fuck did man of our times get zero votes

― ant banks and wasp (voodoo chili), Tuesday, July 24, 2018 11:08 AM (two years ago) bookmarkflaglink

boz conspiracy by toby hus (voodoo chili), Monday, 11 January 2021 14:52 (two weeks ago) link

as a pre-tween Genesis obsessive I used to wonder if they cribbed Tonight Tonight Tonight off that refrain within the verses of Man Of Our Times

SDFG SDFG SDFG SDFG SDFG SDFG SF (stevie), Monday, 11 January 2021 15:04 (two weeks ago) link

one thing that's cool about streaming is that it just took me like 5 minutes and now i'm listening to duke's suite as a playlist interesting to hear how it flows

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 11 January 2021 15:50 (two weeks ago) link

as a big fan of the full abacab suite they edited down into "dodo/lurker," i'm sympathetic to ppl who think the duke suite should've all run together. however... "turn it on again" being isolated so they could release it as a single was totally the correct choice

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 11 January 2021 16:11 (two weeks ago) link

This album was a great disappointment to me after ATTWT, which is still one of my favourite Genesis albums.

I might have to have another listen then, I think Duke is great and never remember a single thing about ATTWT besides the final track

frogbs, Monday, 11 January 2021 16:13 (two weeks ago) link

ATTWT usually seems to be one of their least popular albums among fans and the band themseleves, definitely of their 70s output, reckoning they hadn't yet found their feet without Hackett. It was the one album I missed out on 30-ish years ago, so approached it with fresh ears and other than the weak Ballad Of Big, I don't really get the criticism - it sounds at once like the 'debut album' of the hit-making group and the swansong for their more traditional prog sound.

PaulTMA, Monday, 11 January 2021 16:29 (two weeks ago) link

I haven't heard Duke yet, but the 78-83 era of Genesis is an unusual mix of often-beautiful melodies and striking chord progressions with some lame arrangements, wildly variable lyrics and Phil's over-singing.

Turn It On Again is probably the best of that era that I've heard, with Undertow.

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 11 January 2021 17:17 (two weeks ago) link

i knew "Turn it On Again" had some complex meter stuff going on - especially for a single! - but this is wild

http://www.rebelmusicteacher.com/blog/2016/8/9/changing-meter-in-genesiss-turn-it-on-again

Analysis: The opening to the song is heard in inconsistent time signatures, including bars of 4/4 and 5/4, and when the initial riff is heard, the time signature alternates between 6/4 and 7/4 (which could be considered 13/4, although there is a sense of division as though there are two measures heard within the main riff). The chorus delves into cross-rhythm, moving into compound meter where the rest of the song is heard in simple (duple) meter.

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 11 January 2021 17:33 (two weeks ago) link

xps I also prefer ATTWT to Duke, though "Duchess" is my favorite song on either album. I just love ATTWT's lush, glowing polysynth-saturated production and strong melodies throughout. "Deep In the Motherlode" in particular knocks me out every time. Abacab is the absolute peak of the Collins era though

J. Sam, Monday, 11 January 2021 17:41 (two weeks ago) link

i can show you
iii can show you
some of the meters in my life

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 11 January 2021 17:42 (two weeks ago) link

The coolest thing about "Turn It On Again" is that they make the tricky meter pretty inconspicuous. That's harder to do than it seems. The fact that the 13/8 signature can be broke down into more manageable (to the ear) pieces probably helps. The National is actually really good at this, like this song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPIB3ojwqdg

I think it could be broken down as either alternating measures of 9/8 and 4/4 or one long count of 17.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 11 January 2021 18:17 (two weeks ago) link

I've never grokked Trick Of The Tail and I find a lot of Wind & Wuthering quite bleak and dreary - though I've grown to love the most bleak and dreary track, Blood On The Rooftops, since my Genesis-obsessed pre-tween years, and I've always loved Unquiet...In That Quiet Earth, and Afterglow is their best pre-stadium success ballad, IMO. I've always felt ATTWT to be a bit... wet. Like, for me Trick and Wuthering mark a kind of interregnum period - Peter's gone, and Phil's yet to become what he will become - and ATTWT is the interregnum of the interregnum: now Steve's gone, and they're sort of relieved, you sense, but they feel they still need some of that gloopy over-aware poeticism in there.

But then you get Duke, and then Abacab, and it's like, the 80s are here, and Genesis are changing for the new decade - it's bolder, simpler, more pop, more sprightly, punchier and tighter. And I'm not crazy about the album that follows - some great stuff on Genesis, but loads that seems like bum notes, too - but then Invisible Touch seems the apotheosis of everything Duke and Abacab were leading towards, and then, inevitably, this brief balance of pop and prog that makes them a commercial behemoth cannot hold, they split, Phil's own solo career begins a slow decline, and so on. And Invisible Touch is possibly my favourite of the Phil era, but Duke and Abacab are close seconds, because they seem to be very much what they want to be, and have a vision of what they want to be.

SDFG SDFG SDFG SDFG SDFG SDFG SF (stevie), Monday, 11 January 2021 22:56 (two weeks ago) link

I think my alignment is Abcacab > Duke > Genesis > ...And Then... > Lamb > some other stuff > Invisible Touch > still more stuff

fade into bolivian (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 11 January 2021 23:43 (two weeks ago) link

Does anyone have an opinion on the 2007 remix of this record? Never having heard the original, is it different enough that I should avoid the remix?

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 11 January 2021 23:58 (two weeks ago) link

I'm actually doing a lockdown cover of TIOA with my old school band buddies at the moment and I wanted to check out how the 'I....I...I...get so lonely" section was written out.

The sheet I’m using as a guide has it down as two bars of 3/4 one 2/4 two 4/4 then three of 3/4 one 4/4 and another three of 3/4 as it comes out of it and there's syncopated quaver tied over each bar line.

Maresn3st, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 00:06 (two weeks ago) link

Hard to comment on the actual remixes because the digital mastering is brutal, they sound pretty horrible and unlike the originals IMO.

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 01:05 (two weeks ago) link

I think my alignment is Abcacab > Duke > Genesis > ...And Then... > Lamb > some other stuff > Invisible Touch > still more stuff

― fade into bolivian (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, January 11, 2021 5:43 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

not having Foxtrot up in the top 3/4 is wild imo

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 20:51 (two weeks ago) link

I still think SEBTP is their best full album, there are just so many great passages in it

frogbs, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 20:55 (two weeks ago) link

Anyone who ranks an album with "Just a Job to Do" over an album with "Firth of Fifth" has very different aesthetic sense than me.

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 20:55 (two weeks ago) link

I still think SEBTP is their best full album, there are just so many great passages in it

seconded.

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 21:06 (two weeks ago) link

What is impressive is not just that the passages are great, but so many of them could seem random or disjunctive, but end up contributing to the whole. Take, for example, the long series of solos in the latter part of Dancing With the Moonlit Knight, or the ambient coda on that same song, or the Vicar sequence in Epping Forest, or the whole construction of After the Ordeal.

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 21:14 (two weeks ago) link

I still think SEBTP is their best full album, there are just so many great passages in it

Thirded. It actually more or less permanently lives in my car's CD player for those times I can't find anything on the radio.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 22:01 (two weeks ago) link


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