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Lindsey Jordan is so talented and Habit is a perfect E.P. isn't it?

Looking forward for the album..

nostormo, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:19 (four years ago) link

I big upped them on the emo thread. they are the future iirc

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:22 (four years ago) link

apparently mary timony is her guitar teacher haha

adam, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:22 (four years ago) link

Are they emo?

Because most of that genre seems generic to me, and Snail Mail are far from generic imo.

I see them more as a part of the 90's female indie revival going on lately (Girlpool,Charly bliss etc..).

nostormo, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:27 (four years ago) link

idk if they're emo per se but i wouldn't bat my eyes at them being included in a rolling thread that also includes cayetana and etc.

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:31 (four years ago) link

Anyways, her peculiar voice and melancholic songwriting makes me thing of Galaxie 500 and slowcore bands

nostormo, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:33 (four years ago) link

i think this band is just all right, the songs uniformly have a really sleepy pulse and the drummer being not very good is extremely distracting

a lot of potential regardless, i'll be listening to the album

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:34 (four years ago) link

slowcore is a good analogue, "static buzz" gives me an early rhp vibe

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:35 (four years ago) link

Red hot chilli peppers lol?
I hear ya but I think the unprofessional instrument playing is part of their charm

nostormo, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:40 (four years ago) link

Red house painters i see..

nostormo, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:40 (four years ago) link

I hear ya but I think the unprofessional instrument playing is part of their charm

people tell me this all the time, i'm unconvinced

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:44 (four years ago) link

as a not-very-good drummer myself i'm perhaps distracted bc i'm recognizing my own limitations

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:44 (four years ago) link

dang, they just opened for Girlpool but I went late because two opening acts is one too many

geoffreyess, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 20:21 (four years ago) link

they were great opening for Priests. way better than on record.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 20:34 (four years ago) link

Snail Mail rules. Happy to see this thread - my friend said the intro of "Thinning" reminded him of Cranberries, which I can kinda see..

Unchanging Window (Ross), Wednesday, 14 June 2017 01:31 (four years ago) link

Saw them a month ago. She's a great guitarist, though at the show it was pretty much all chordal/rhythm playing. I haven't listened to the EP (or don't remember), but I was kind of disappointed with the show. I didn't hear the songs. Maybe this type of songwriting scratches an itch I just don't have because everyone else was enraptured. It was so cool - sold out club show opening for Frankie Cosmos (boring) - a lot of people were there to see Snail Mail and LJ seemed very humbled and energized by the whole thing. She jumped off her amp. It was great. Keep in mind she was born in 2000. I look forward to their next record.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 14 June 2017 01:42 (four years ago) link

a nice interview by Jenn Pelly from March: http://pitchfork.com/features/rising/10027-snail-mails-lindsey-jordan-is-the-wisest-teenage-indie-rocker-we-know/

flappy bird, Wednesday, 14 June 2017 01:47 (four years ago) link

http://www.thefader.com/2017/05/05/mary-timony-helium-dc-rock-guide

Sail Mail are in this with the details on Timony teaching her.

I agree with the below from Br-dNelson--
i think this band is just all right, the songs uniformly have a really sleepy pulse and the drummer being not very good is extremely distracting

a lot of potential regardless, i'll be listening to the album

curmudgeon, Thursday, 15 June 2017 03:32 (four years ago) link

Oh, Pitchfork article has the Timony stuff too.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 15 June 2017 03:42 (four years ago) link

i think they improved their playing skills:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaOTtf3Lk4w

nostormo, Saturday, 17 June 2017 05:47 (four years ago) link

yeah idk Brad they're all great players. the session above sounds great

flappy bird, Saturday, 17 June 2017 05:50 (four years ago) link

nine months pass...

New song. New LP. Yessss..
I like them more when they do slowcore but that's fine too.

https://pitchfork.com/reviews/tracks/pristine/

nostormo, Wednesday, 21 March 2018 17:01 (three years ago) link

excellent song!

cajunsunday, Wednesday, 21 March 2018 23:34 (three years ago) link

yeah this is great

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 22 March 2018 00:17 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

dang, so much maturation in a short period of time. i **cking LOVE this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d91Qn8QUks&app=desktop

freedom is not having to measure life with a ruler (outdoor_miner), Thursday, 26 April 2018 14:29 (three years ago) link

Letter published in Washington Post newspaper after recent big Snail Mail article

The April 22 Arts & Style article “Snail Mail is on the fast track” was about 18-year-old rock musician Lindsey Jordan. Ms. Jordan was being interviewed at her parents’ home, where she lives. The article said, “Lindsey Jordan is still sleeping off last night’s party somewhere when her interview with this newspaper is scheduled to begin.” When she finally arrives home, it is around noon, and she is wearing the same clothes she had had on for five days and nights. The reason she is late for the interview is that she drank a bunch of shots and got in to Baltimore super-late and crashed at a friend’s that night.

I guess the fact that she is some sort of rock star allows her to drink underage. Her parents should be concerned, but nothing in the article said that. All part of being a musician. Most of the article was about Ms. Jordan’s music. There was no need to include Ms. Jordan’s irresponsible lifestyle lest it encourage other young women to emulate her.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/focus-on-the-music-not-the-underage-drinking/2018/04/24/13436b1c-473c-11e8-8082-105a446d19b8_story.html?utm_term=.07ce3bbd0f10

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/high-schools-done-now-comes-indie-rock-stardom-for-snail-mail/2018/04/18/ff6e2bd0-3814-11e8-9c0a-85d477d9a226_story.html?utm_term=.9e96f85e9f66

...“She’s definitely a perfectionist,” Brown said. “Not that she necessarily values what other people think a lot — [like] the label and the industry — but I think that did play into it. The experience of, ‘Oh, a lot of people are waiting for this.’ There’s a lot more weight on her shoulders.”

“Lush,” which will be released on June 8, was “really emotional,” she says, tougher than “Habit,” even with all the added benefits of working with a bigger label. (Jordan anticipates some backlash to Snail Mail’s slicker sound. “Everyone’s gonna be like, ‘Sellouts! Making this hi-fi Sony record.’ I never wanted to make a low-fi record. It’s so cool to be in a nice studio with a great producer.”)

By her own admission, Jordan is “so uptight in the studio, very controlling,” and despite the bucolic setting — on a farm in Upstate New York, all crackling campfire vibes — she was stressed out the whole time. There were arguments with her bandmates, songs were scrapped and restarted, and she and producer Jake Aron performed “open-heart surgery” on songs she had spent years writing.

The process was “really heartbreaking, even though I know we bettered” the music, she says. “I’ve never felt worse in my life.”

curmudgeon, Thursday, 26 April 2018 16:38 (three years ago) link

The new single is kinda meh imo

Sounds somewhat generic. Don' t really like the new direction

nostormo, Thursday, 26 April 2018 18:18 (three years ago) link

another song that went in one ear and out the other for me. trying my best but seems like this just isn't my thing. it does sound generic to me, too.

flappy bird, Thursday, 26 April 2018 18:33 (three years ago) link

Habit was excellent . Dissapointing.

nostormo, Thursday, 26 April 2018 18:58 (three years ago) link

I like "Pristine" a lot but haven't warmed to the latest one yet.

Simon H., Thursday, 26 April 2018 18:59 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

wow, I really like this new song. very Elliott Smith.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhpFgHhj1H4

flappy bird, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:20 (three years ago) link

guitars & brushed drums remind me of the second side of Insignificance by Jim O'Rourke. by far my favorite thing I've heard from her.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:22 (three years ago) link

It's nice but they will probably never create a great song like Static Buzz again.

“Everyone’s gonna be like, ‘Sellouts! Making this hi-fi Sony record.’

Exactly what she said

nostormo, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 18:50 (three years ago) link

Idk about that, I don’t hear that much of a difference production or songwriting wise between these tracks and the Habit EP. I saw them last year & wasn’t into any of the songs but it was obvious that she was a great guitarist & singer & honestly this is the song I’ve been waiting for. She’s also only 18 - I can only imagine what she’ll be doing when she’s 25. The sky is the limit for her imo, especially after reading recent interviews & learning how much of a perfectionist/studio rat she is. Kinda bummed now that I skipped their club show here in March, that was definitely the last opportunity I had to see them in a ~450 cap room. But there was a big snowstorm that day and I didn’t feel like walking in that shit again lol.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 19:56 (three years ago) link

Congrats to whoever does this band's PR. They're everywhere. I think I've inadvertently come across more profiles/articles about Snail Mail than any other band who has released an album so far this year (just saw another one in NY Times that mostly reads like a label press release). Songs are OK, but don't really seem to justify the attention.

triggercut, Thursday, 17 May 2018 13:33 (three years ago) link

Yeah she’s everywhere the past few weeks.

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Thursday, 17 May 2018 14:13 (three years ago) link

Woo hoo, we're a cutting edge, hip media source, we cover young white female rockers

curmudgeon, Thursday, 17 May 2018 15:19 (three years ago) link

huh?

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Thursday, 17 May 2018 17:12 (three years ago) link

yes, The New York Times, hip and cutting edge

flappy bird, Thursday, 17 May 2018 17:14 (three years ago) link

Snail mail rules

Incline/decline (Ross), Thursday, 17 May 2018 17:50 (three years ago) link

sarcasm

curmudgeon, Friday, 18 May 2018 17:24 (three years ago) link

Although I do wish that Nigerian woman star Afropop singer Yemi Alade could have gotten 1 big interview when she toured the US last year.

curmudgeon, Friday, 18 May 2018 19:32 (three years ago) link

Snail mail is tight

Exit stage left (Ross), Friday, 18 May 2018 20:10 (three years ago) link

The EP is solid, evokes those late 90s golden days

calstars, Sunday, 20 May 2018 01:44 (three years ago) link

Alex G vibes

calstars, Sunday, 20 May 2018 01:47 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Leaked. Indifferent.

nostormo, Friday, 8 June 2018 04:59 (three years ago) link

So we're calling releases leaks now?

Johnny Fever, Friday, 8 June 2018 05:00 (three years ago) link

Nothing new.
And it's out today officially regardless

nostormo, Friday, 8 June 2018 05:01 (three years ago) link

opening for Interpol at Madison Square Garden in February

flappy bird, Friday, 8 June 2018 05:22 (three years ago) link

poor woman is 18 (19?) and already has msg boarders saying "not bad but she'll never make another song as good as this other one". cool world.

alpine static, Friday, 8 June 2018 06:10 (three years ago) link

18 years is surely enough time to figure out how to write a halfway decent indie rock album, Ross

flopson, Tuesday, 12 June 2018 00:47 (three years ago) link

That’s probably true!

I’ve been making music since 14 and I never half assed it

Eh maybe I’m just getting old and like everything now

Slippage (Ross), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 00:48 (three years ago) link

Eh maybe I just want to like this more than I do.

I love pristine and some other tracks but I find myself switching the album to something less monochromatic

Slippage (Ross), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 00:49 (three years ago) link

xp
Ross – just start playing Mayfield’s latest LP; she sings like Mascis Jr.!

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 01:01 (three years ago) link

Will do. Morris you’re a cool poster

Slippage (Ross), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 01:09 (three years ago) link

Thx, likewise!

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 01:48 (three years ago) link

initial reaction to the album was negative but it has grown on me a lot. not a great album, but some keepers on these for sure. particularly like Speaking Terms and Full Control.

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 22 June 2018 15:46 (three years ago) link

I love pristine

mind how you go (Ross), Friday, 22 June 2018 16:48 (three years ago) link

three months pass...

This thread is baffling to me, Lush is definitely up there for me on 2018 records. The Cranberries aren't quite what i'm feeling, but i love the referential matrix that Ryan Dombal made in his pfork review, although some might think it's a bit overwrought.

There are echoes of early Liz Phair in Lush’s stark guitars and its tightrope walk between despair and enlightenment, but there are also flashes of the Replacements’ Paul Westerberg at his most wrung-out, and Paramore’s Hayley Williams crinkled emo soulfulness, and Fiona Apple’s ferocity, and Taylor Swift’s savvy heartache, and the solemn quietude of Frank Ocean’s Blonde.

Not sure about Fiona Apple and Frank Ocean, but the rest? Definitely.

austinb, Thursday, 11 October 2018 07:55 (two years ago) link

def don’t hear hayley williams here at all

princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 11 October 2018 10:56 (two years ago) link

I have not heard this album yet but I will now take a listen for the hope of a flash of Paul Westerberg,

Ctrl+Alt+Del in Poughkeepsie (fionnland), Thursday, 11 October 2018 11:01 (two years ago) link

let us know if you find it

Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 11 October 2018 14:32 (two years ago) link

Her voice which I like a lot reminds me of someone else. An indie lady from the 90s, I don't think it is Juliana Hatfield. Pristine is indeed very nice. And the 3rd song "Speaking Terms" is such a pure, vulnerable beauty.

Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Thursday, 11 October 2018 17:53 (two years ago) link

Didn't find it (if there's any reference I would add it's that 'Stick' reminded me slightly of Mark Kozelek ha)

but Christ, Habit is a bloody wonderful EP, esp. given she was 17.

You (bleeping) need me. You can't Finn without me (fionnland), Thursday, 11 October 2018 22:47 (two years ago) link

and hearing Kozelek on 'Let's Find an Out' and 'Full Control' too but maybe I'm just looking for it artificially now

You (bleeping) need me. You can't Finn without me (fionnland), Thursday, 11 October 2018 22:49 (two years ago) link

I'm revisiting Lush, and digging it a lot more than I did on previous tries. Not sure what's changed -- maybe I'm just in the right mood? -- but it's hitting the right notes this morning.

a neon light ablaze in this green smoky haze (morrisp), Monday, 22 October 2018 18:40 (two years ago) link

new cover "The 2nd Most Beautiful Girl in the World" (originally by Courtney Love - the band not the person): https://pitchfork.com/reviews/tracks/the-2nd-most-beautiful-girl-in-the-world/

flappy bird, Monday, 22 October 2018 18:42 (two years ago) link

At her best, there's something about the slightly flat(?) tone of the music colliding with the slightly more flat(??) tone of her voice, in those big swells of volume, to winning effect.

a neon light ablaze in this green smoky haze (morrisp), Monday, 22 October 2018 18:52 (two years ago) link

chronic live

||||||||, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 20:33 (two years ago) link

https://pitchfork.com/tv/22-over-under/watch-snail-mail-rate-gritty-escargot-and-lil-xan/

Hates Gritty, loves Lil Xan.

So done with her now.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 25 October 2018 22:11 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

fuck "pristine" rules

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 18 December 2018 07:35 (two years ago) link

i love the way this record is produced... clean guitars and lots of space

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 18 December 2018 07:37 (two years ago) link

The album and EPs are so good but all the live performances on YT are absolutely brutal, seems like she struggles to keep her voice healthy.

louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 07:56 (two years ago) link

I saw her live. she was absolute garbage

||||||||, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 08:11 (two years ago) link

pristine could just fade out at 3:30 but gets 10x awesomer

rip van wanko, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 13:23 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

late to the party here, but wow this album is amazing

Darin, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 19:50 (two years ago) link

i just found out that these guys are opening for Parquet Courts here in the Los Angeles area in about 20 days. how did i miss this gig until now?

Bee OK, Thursday, 3 January 2019 01:59 (two years ago) link

I somehow missed PC playing with a symphony orchestra here a couple months ago

flappy bird, Thursday, 3 January 2019 02:10 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

Golden Dream has the strangest effect on me, taking me back like ten years to a lovely place.

Hey hey, the tipple’s weak sherry (fionnland), Friday, 8 March 2019 13:20 (two years ago) link

keep meaning to dig in to this one, only heard the single but I watched her Pitchfork Over/Under the other day and she's such a delightful dork.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Friday, 8 March 2019 15:18 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

The album and EPs are so good but all the live performances on YT are absolutely brutal, seems like she struggles to keep her voice healthy.

There's a video of "Pristine" from a Pitchfork festival. Not sure what's going on there, but it's an exceptionally uncomfortable performance. Great song though...

Sam Weller, Thursday, 2 May 2019 09:14 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

anything under the horizon? New album for example..

nostormo, Friday, 10 September 2021 18:12 (one week ago) link

Apparently a new album called Valentine was due out on 11/5 and started to get teased, but all the references to it got pulled. I don't know if vinyl delays or what, but most refences to it disappeared. There was a thread about it on reddit just yesterday, with a link to a (now deleted) product listing with the cover:

https://www.reddit.com/r/indieheads/comments/pkzsgw/snail_mail_teases_new_album_valentine/

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 10 September 2021 18:17 (one week ago) link

Thanks

nostormo, Friday, 10 September 2021 18:18 (one week ago) link

Wayback machine caught it during the brief time it was up on the band's site, but it's gone now. Probably someone jumped the gun, so maybe an announcement is imminent.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210909132117/https://www.snailmail.band/home

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 10 September 2021 18:18 (one week ago) link

Someone wrote they went for a more pop direction on reddit. :(

nostormo, Friday, 10 September 2021 18:25 (one week ago) link

Saw that comment but since nothing has been released at all yet I'm not sure that's based on anything more than maybe extrapolating from an interview or something, I'm not going to get too concerned about one comment like that.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 10 September 2021 20:32 (one week ago) link

the album... does exist in finished form...

J0rdan S., Friday, 10 September 2021 22:54 (one week ago) link

Officially announced today! Video for title track is out, though I'll have to wait until tonight to check it out.

01 Valentine
02 Ben Franklin
03 Headlock
04 Light Blue
05 Forever (Sailing)
06 Madonna
07 c. et. al.
08 Glory
09 Automate
10 Mia

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 13:55 (three days ago) link

dynamics!

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 13:59 (three days ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxarOZ0JBcc

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 13:59 (three days ago) link

Lol not sure I want to sign in to verify my age while I'm at work, guessing that's one I'll have to wait on.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 14:08 (three days ago) link

it's bloody and a bit violent yeah

ufo, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 14:13 (three days ago) link

Well, it's ok. Pretty generic imo

nostormo, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 17:05 (three days ago) link

This is the worst single they've released, probably?

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 23:41 (three days ago) link

It's like "Heat Wave" stripped of the catchiness.

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 23:42 (three days ago) link

weird this is much catchier to me

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 23:43 (three days ago) link

it feels more linear to me so i can see why ppl might find it less interesting than the previous record. that said i kinda love this, chorus really works for me

J0rdan S., Friday, 17 September 2021 06:24 (yesterday) link

First record sorta limped to the finish after being frontloaded, so if this is more linear/consistent and much of it's in the vein of "Valentine" I'm buying.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Friday, 17 September 2021 12:04 (yesterday) link

the only thing i really liked on the debut was "heat wave" & this is unfortunately not as good as that

"heat wave" always felt super familiar too, i could never figure out if it was actually ripping something

ufo, Friday, 17 September 2021 12:48 (yesterday) link


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