Kraftwerk Boxes

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed

Hi,

You working your way through the 8 disc "3-D" set?

I started with the "Autobahn" one, whoa that finished quickly! 26 minutes in total, "Morgenspaz" is 1min17 and is more a reprise of one of the Autobahn themes..

Anyway, thanks to a Discogs comparison, I can confirm that the Trans-Europe-Express and Computer World ones are also as-short, the others are about the same except for TheMix which is a fair bit longer and has a track called "Planet of Visions".

Oh, and the booklet has very specific credits for every track, e.g. Autobahn = "Music: Hutter/Schneider, Words = Hutter/Scheider/Schult"

I guess there's still no rush for the "early years" albums..

Mark G, Friday, 2 June 2017 12:37 (two months ago) Permalink

"Morgenspaz" is 1min17 and is more a reprise of one of the Autobahn themes.

It always was though. A reprise of one of the Autobahn themes that is.

Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Friday, 2 June 2017 12:39 (two months ago) Permalink

it was somewhat different.

And now, it's somewhat the same.

Mark G, Friday, 2 June 2017 12:43 (two months ago) Permalink

What is this is 3D thing anyway?

Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Friday, 2 June 2017 12:44 (two months ago) Permalink

It seems to be wrt the Blu-ray/DVD for 3D TV, you know, the technology they just sacked.

Mark G, Friday, 2 June 2017 12:49 (two months ago) Permalink

The "TheMix" disc is a special "3D for Headphones" mix.

Me Neither.

Mark G, Friday, 2 June 2017 12:50 (two months ago) Permalink

so are these new/revamped takes their entire back catalogue like Minimum-Maximum? or just punched up remixes? what exactly is this? and should I buy it?

frogbs, Friday, 2 June 2017 13:43 (two months ago) Permalink

Live versions from the "play the albums in 3D" tour. The blu-ray set has 2 discs of performances and 2 discs of just the projections (but the deluxe booklet is quite nice and the box is the red equivalent of the 'catalogue' box so looks nice of the shelf if you are an anal collector spod).

Mud... Jam... Failure... (aldo), Friday, 2 June 2017 13:55 (two months ago) Permalink

except the red box is 5" square, and the 'catalogue' box is 12" square.

Mark G, Friday, 2 June 2017 14:40 (two months ago) Permalink

IIRC "Planet of Visions" is a re-worked version of "Expo 2000."

naus, Friday, 2 June 2017 15:42 (two months ago) Permalink

Ta. Yeah, Expo 2000 seemed to have gotten forgotten of late.

Mark G, Friday, 2 June 2017 17:22 (two months ago) Permalink

Is there a list of non-album tracks? Starting with the Kohoutek single...

Mark G, Friday, 2 June 2017 17:24 (two months ago) Permalink

that's the whole list

frogbs, Friday, 2 June 2017 17:56 (two months ago) Permalink

Aside from that, Tour de France was a non-album single for about 20 years! Then there's Expo 2000. The rest is just alternate-language versions and remixes.

naus, Friday, 2 June 2017 18:16 (two months ago) Permalink

speaking of, Hutter's been talking about a new album for what, 8 years now? how likely is it we'll ever see anything new? 50%? 10%? he seems so content just boxing up the same material over and over and over again, what's left to do?

frogbs, Friday, 2 June 2017 18:31 (two months ago) Permalink

i love min-max so have no issue re the new versions,
and have only recently picked up the remastered editions of the originals.
i.e. i am good.
then i heard that all tracks are a lot shorter than the originals,
so, seriously i don't understand the reason to get the new editions other than having a love for bigger sonics,
colour me old school, but i kinda like the lo-tech sonics of the originals.

mark e, Friday, 2 June 2017 19:39 (two months ago) Permalink

kraftwerk aren't really the sort who busted out with solos or soething in their live sets

I am interested in seeing the video though; the show I saw was one of the best shows I've ever been to

akm, Friday, 2 June 2017 21:56 (two months ago) Permalink

The longest victory lap in history just keeps on going and going.

Love the 70s-era concert recordings where they are actually playing stuff like Autobahn live, fiddling around with very limited gear and basically doing the opposite of this.

everything, Friday, 2 June 2017 22:35 (two months ago) Permalink

I thought there was some track swapping around the Electric Cafe album..

Oh, and I have a 7" edit of Autobahn that's on a promo for the original 'Catalogue' box that's not the same as the actual hit single.

Talking of which, I also have a US 7" with two edits of A, neither etc..

Mark G, Friday, 2 June 2017 22:37 (two months ago) Permalink

The 7" of Kommetenmelodie 2 I have is a unique edit (I think) and has a unique edit of Von Himmel Hoch on the other side. Neither are essential though I like the shorter K2 a lot. They probably won't make Kohoutek available because it's pretty scrappy sounding.

everything, Friday, 2 June 2017 22:48 (two months ago) Permalink

I know y'all enjoyed the concerts etc but I can't stand what Kraftwerk's aesthetics are all about these days. It's really quite different to what they were doing back when they actually wrote and recorded this stuff.

everything, Friday, 2 June 2017 22:51 (two months ago) Permalink

It is, but it is on an album (Exceller 8) "ref:"Comet Melody 2"

The short Vom is unique to that single, its a bit longer than the label says, mind..

Mark G, Friday, 2 June 2017 22:52 (two months ago) Permalink

No, it's shorter than the Exceller 8 version.

everything, Friday, 2 June 2017 22:53 (two months ago) Permalink

This is the one.

https://www.discogs.com/Kraftwerk-Kometenmelodie-2/release/218141

everything, Friday, 2 June 2017 22:53 (two months ago) Permalink

No wait, sorry, it is the same version apparently.

everything, Friday, 2 June 2017 22:54 (two months ago) Permalink

Funnily enough, I do have one of the Kohoutek's on a daft pair of albums from Italy that edited the first four albums to one side each. All legit, if not actually authorised by R&F

Mark G, Friday, 2 June 2017 22:54 (two months ago) Permalink

That single was to promote the "Elektro Kinetic' album, but that has the longer version on it, ha.

Mark G, Friday, 2 June 2017 22:55 (two months ago) Permalink

I thought there was some track swapping around the Electric Cafe album..

On the remaster, now called Techno-Pop, they added "House Phone," which I guess was a non-album B-side as it is on the Telephone Call 12".

naus, Saturday, 3 June 2017 02:25 (two months ago) Permalink

I guess there's still no rush for the "early years" albums..

― Mark G

there were abbreviated versions of the first four albums (one lp side per album) issued in italy in the early '70s! i've kind of wanted to hear them for years...

Cyborg Kickboxer (rushomancy), Saturday, 3 June 2017 02:43 (two months ago) Permalink

Just gonna chime in to say the Nippon Numbers bootleg is absolutely essential for those who want to hear them as they were in the early 80's.

frogbs, Saturday, 3 June 2017 03:13 (two months ago) Permalink

xpost I know, I have them, just mentioned them too..

Mark G, Saturday, 3 June 2017 09:10 (two months ago) Permalink

THere was a great compi lp called Exceller 8 that I picked up in the late 80s and wish I hadn't lost in the mid 90s.
Had some edited versions of some early tracks on and Kometonmelodie 2 amongst other stuff.
Has anybody ever covered Kometonmelodie 2 sounds like something that you could work up in to something very different. Based on a folk air or something.

Stevolende, Saturday, 3 June 2017 10:57 (two months ago) Permalink

Ever get the feeling yr being blocked?

Mark G, Saturday, 3 June 2017 11:41 (two months ago) Permalink

Ever get the feeling yr being blocked?

― Mark G

i'm not blocking you, sorry, i'm just very tired and my reading comprehension is low. :(

Cyborg Kickboxer (rushomancy), Saturday, 3 June 2017 14:30 (two months ago) Permalink

ah, was just kidding really

Mark G, Saturday, 3 June 2017 17:18 (two months ago) Permalink

except the red box is 5" square, and the 'catalogue' box is 12" square

The deluxe blu-ray with the book is 12".

Mud... Jam... Failure... (aldo), Sunday, 4 June 2017 11:56 (two months ago) Permalink

We Are The Reboots

めんどくさかった (Matt #2), Sunday, 4 June 2017 14:59 (two months ago) Permalink

The longest victory lap in history just keeps on going and going.

otm

i love kraftwerk but i'm already beyond annoyed at whatever it is that passes for new material from them these days, and i've only been a fan since like 1999 or so. pumping out endless versions of the same material in various expensive-ass boxsets and concert experiences kind of seems like an asshole move, almost exploitative but we're willingly forking over money for it so that's probably not the right word

Karl Malone, Sunday, 4 June 2017 15:16 (two months ago) Permalink

I'm really happy with having the original eight LPs up to Computer World + "Tone Float" + "Concert Classics" and don't feel like I need to ever get anything else by them. Agreed with mark e that they really don't sound like they are in need of a remaster.

If they have to constantly rehash everything then I wish they'd put some thought into the first three LPs, but resigned to that never happening.

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Sunday, 4 June 2017 19:01 (two months ago) Permalink

they did a good job on the 5.1 / Atmos surround mixes for this set. their approach to surround was pretty extreme, but didn't always work in the bigger concert venues; it's best at home on a good system. putting this out as a DVD/BluRay would have been perfectly sufficient.

I'm an avid collector of all the 70s live kraftwerk boots. they really were a fantastic live band, with 100% live percussion, extended improvised solos -- the concerts defined what electronic pop music could sound like in a live context to the same degree that the records mapped out what was possible in the studio. there are enough board recordings and I'm sure they have more -- I can't even pick a top 10 favorite list of 70s boots anymore, and that should be the box. even when they started locking things down with pre-recorded elements in the early 80's, the live versions had different arrangements from the records & had long extended spaces for solos. even the 97/98 tour, the 1997 digital retool of 'Numbers' was fantastic and I liked the three new songs better than anything on Tour de France Soundtracks (especially their Basic Channel ripoff).

since 2004 they used softsynth libraries to revert to close emulations of the original sounds and the result is pretty lifeless. they're still doing the delay sends & filter sweeps live, and Ralf occasional dares a simple tune, but it's a pretty crass decision to make these commercially available as a box of 30 minute stereo CDs.

Milton Parker, Sunday, 4 June 2017 20:36 (two months ago) Permalink

yeah giving them a listen, it's unclear that these are anything more than shortened remixes of the original albums. i guess curious as a novelty but not worth the purchase (which I didn't)

akm, Sunday, 4 June 2017 21:50 (two months ago) Permalink

to be fair, three are short, one is much longer and thee rest pretty much match.

I wish Sparks had done one.

Mark G, Sunday, 4 June 2017 22:22 (two months ago) Permalink

having failed on the day of release due to crap website crap,
today i got 2 cancellation tix for the bristol show this saturday (bloody fantastic seats as well by the looks of it).
i am beyond excited.
mk2 though is pretty miffed as it means he has an evening disconnected from his beloved playstation as i have decided he is coming along with me.
subsequently, i have ordered the new boxset.
sod it.

mark e, Thursday, 15 June 2017 19:45 (two months ago) Permalink


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.