when did Sonic Youth peak

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Sonic Youth basically sucked until 1995, and peaked in 2006

― flappy bird, Friday, May 12, 2017 1:25 AM (twelve hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

whereupon they began to actually suck

― sleepingbag, Friday, May 12, 2017 2:10 AM (eleven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is maybe the most backwards-ass thing I have ever read

― The Remoans of the May (Noodle Vague), Friday, May 12, 2017 9:13 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

smh at the notion that the intricate guitarplay of Sister, Daydream et al. could be described as "vacuum cleaner", have you actually heard these records?

― attention vampire (MatthewK), Friday, May 12, 2017 9:26 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

People should start new threads instead of using this thread as a test kitchen for potentially interesting discussions / clusterfucks

― your cognitive privilege (El Tomboto), Friday, May 12, 2017 9:27 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

poll

― baby boomer death wave (bizarro gazzara), Friday, May 12, 2017 9:34 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Poll Results

OptionVotes
80s 90
90s 35
00s 29


flappy bird, Friday, 12 May 2017 17:37 (four months ago) Permalink

they have not yet peaked

mark s, Friday, 12 May 2017 17:39 (four months ago) Permalink

yeah they just need to apply themselves

flappy bird, Friday, 12 May 2017 17:40 (four months ago) Permalink

As a cultural force in the 80s. As a musical force, in the 90s. Their best album (NYC G&F) came out in the 00's. I'll vote for 80s, back when they were mysterious and interesting.

dlp9001, Friday, 12 May 2017 17:42 (four months ago) Permalink

the only sy *album* i can still be bothered with is brave men run, although lots of highlights elsewhere

plax (ico), Friday, 12 May 2017 17:45 (four months ago) Permalink

I only like Daydream Nation. Dirty was meh. Didn't like Confusion is Sex or Evol or Bad Moon Rising. Haven't heard anything else. Maybe I should.

Mr. Snrub, Friday, 12 May 2017 17:45 (four months ago) Permalink

I'm not sure if it's possible to stress to people who weren't around in the 80's how out there they seemed. You could seriously freak out friends by putting on their albums. That wasn't true in 90s or 00s.

dlp9001, Friday, 12 May 2017 17:47 (four months ago) Permalink

Their best album (NYC G&F)

I only like Daydream Nation.

Feel like these should be the poll options

imago, Friday, 12 May 2017 17:48 (four months ago) Permalink

ya 80s

apart from dn best 80s release was imo their actual ep sonic youth

lots of gems spread out in the 90s and 00s tho

i n f i n i t y (∞), Friday, 12 May 2017 17:48 (four months ago) Permalink

I seriously freaked out friends from school with Dirty in the 90s but they were pretty square tbf.
2xp

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Friday, 12 May 2017 17:49 (four months ago) Permalink

DN is fine and i enjoy it but imo the decline started there

marcos, Friday, 12 May 2017 17:50 (four months ago) Permalink

they obviously peaked with 'the diamond sea', anyone who says otherwise is lying to themselves and to ilx

imago, Friday, 12 May 2017 17:51 (four months ago) Permalink

Music obviously peaked with "The Diamond Sea".

- me at 16

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Friday, 12 May 2017 17:53 (four months ago) Permalink

I only like Daydream Nation. Dirty was meh. Didn't like Confusion is Sex or Evol or Bad Moon Rising. Haven't heard anything else. Maybe I should.

Completely great quote. I hate Rubber Soul and Revolver and Sgt. Pepper. Liked Abbey Road (for the most part, that Octopus Garden song is something else). Haven't heard anything else. Maybe I should.

dlp9001, Friday, 12 May 2017 17:54 (four months ago) Permalink

clue's in the name xp

imago, Friday, 12 May 2017 17:55 (four months ago) Permalink

Diamond Sea is a million minutes of Thurston planning to cheat on his wife.

Ultimately, I think I'll go with Dirty Boots as the center of their cultural and musical impact, even though I like lots of other things much more, and have voted 80s.

dlp9001, Friday, 12 May 2017 17:56 (four months ago) Permalink

They obviously peaked in whichever decade the respondent was 16 in.

emil.y, Friday, 12 May 2017 17:56 (four months ago) Permalink

What about those of us who were 16 before they existed?

dlp9001, Friday, 12 May 2017 17:57 (four months ago) Permalink

i liked the 90s stuff in high school. my band covered 100%, i thought mote was a really cool track, and i listened to a cassette of experimental jet set in my car a bunch. because i wasn't really around/aware it was hard for me to understand the reverence for their older material at that time.
now i would say the best album would be a combination of evol and sister. never got into daydream nation beyond teenage riot and eric's trip.

mizzell, Friday, 12 May 2017 17:58 (four months ago) Permalink

C&P (insane) discussion from other thread:

sonic youth peaked in the 80s and basically sucked after that

― marcos, Friday, 12 May 2017 11:16 (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nah nm i don't actually feel that way

― marcos, Friday, 12 May 2017 11:16 (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

slow but distinct decline with interesting interludes

― The Remoans of the May (Noodle Vague), Friday, 12 May 2017 11:21 (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that's better

― marcos, Friday, 12 May 2017 11:22 (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

They got good when they discovered phaser and chorus pedals on Washing Machine.

the 80s records all sound like SHIT, horrible thin & flat production, almost as bad as Spot's work with Hüsker Dü. Daydream Nation has riffs but it sounds horrible. Goo onwards they had good production but ehh

― flappy bird, Friday, 12 May 2017 12:26 (twenty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

music talk should really be quarantined to ILM, for the sake of all the innocents

dmac is exempt from this, obv

― brimstead, Friday, 12 May 2017 12:28 (twenty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

80s SY is straight noise rock lol who cares about production

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 12 May 2017 12:30 (twenty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the SY records that were "produced well" are boring as shit

― marcos, Friday, 12 May 2017 12:31 (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Teenage Riot is one of the best riffs of all time, but that shit sounds weak on record. It's quiet & flat.

― flappy bird, Friday, 12 May 2017 12:33 (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i'll start a new thread in ILM

― flappy bird, Friday, 12 May 2017 12:33 (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think if there's one person on this board whose views on music I can reliably disgree with it's flappy bird.

― Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Friday, 12 May 2017 12:34 (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

idk those 80s records sound fine to me. sister especially

― marcos, Friday, 12 May 2017 12:36 (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ye mad puffin i think is referring to their live shows

sy the little princesses that they are have said they sometimes didnt feel like playing songs so played huge walls of sound and feedback sometimes, mostly in the 90s im gonna say

― i n f i n i t y (∞), Friday, 12 May 2017 12:37 (sixteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Sister and EVOL definitely sound better than Daydream Nation, and yeah I like all these records, but they could be so much better. I hate when shit production stifles great songs, most egregious example is Teenage Riot.

― flappy bird, Friday, 12 May 2017 12:38 (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

anyway i started a different thread, moving on w/ nonmusical controversial opinions um..... Eyes Wide Shut is the best Kubrick movie

― flappy bird, Friday, 12 May 2017 12:39 (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

on White Light White Heat you can barely make out the drums what is up with that shitty production? for christ's sake learn how to mix properly

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 12 May 2017 12:39 (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

apples n oranges my dude. Teenage Riot is an anthem and the production doesn't serve it well. and fwiw i love the production on every VU record. i'm not saying everything needs to have big booming production, just that these particular records would've been served well by it.

― flappy bird, Friday, 12 May 2017 12:41 (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

xp

bullshit punk rock diy ethos

― i n f i n i t y (∞), Friday, 12 May 2017 12:43 (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Friday, 12 May 2017 17:59 (four months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7TuWdHNsYY

this is their peak

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 12 May 2017 17:59 (four months ago) Permalink

Possibly true. I'd like to see which of their videos had the most play on MTV.

dlp9001, Friday, 12 May 2017 18:01 (four months ago) Permalink

Music obviously peaked with "The Diamond Sea".

- me at 16

same

tylerw, Friday, 12 May 2017 18:01 (four months ago) Permalink

They obviously peaked in whichever decade the respondent was 16 in.

― emil.y, Friday, May 12, 2017 1:56 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm. I was 13 when Rather Ripped came out, it was the first new SY record that came out after I had become a fan. I got Murray Street that summer and it's been my favorite ever since. Glad I got to see them in 2009.

What about those of us who were 16 before they existed?

― dlp9001, Friday, May 12, 2017 1:57 PM (fifty-five seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

y'all can attest to the mystery and cultural impact they had at first!

flappy bird, Friday, 12 May 2017 18:02 (four months ago) Permalink

also in the 90s, they had a larger presence as arbiters of cool than a band, ime.

mizzell, Friday, 12 May 2017 18:03 (four months ago) Permalink

Honestly, they seem completely irrelevant now, and we should really be talking about some band that the Spotify algorithm likes. Consigned to the dustbin of history.

dlp9001, Friday, 12 May 2017 18:03 (four months ago) Permalink

Like, isn't there some North Korean band that glenn likes that should be taking their place in this discussion?

dlp9001, Friday, 12 May 2017 18:05 (four months ago) Permalink

Evol-Sister was the peak and both sound fat as fuck imo

The Remoans of the May (Noodle Vague), Friday, 12 May 2017 18:05 (four months ago) Permalink

man I'm listening to A Thousand Leaves right now, it's so good, they really fell in love with phaser pedals

flappy bird, Friday, 12 May 2017 18:05 (four months ago) Permalink

xp yeah EVOL and Sister have p good production, but imo the songs on Daydream Nation are better

flappy bird, Friday, 12 May 2017 18:06 (four months ago) Permalink

They peaked with Daydream Nation, you can't surpass Teenage Riot.

Grantman, Friday, 12 May 2017 18:07 (four months ago) Permalink

they actually did, it's called "Rain on Tin"

flappy bird, Friday, 12 May 2017 18:07 (four months ago) Permalink

i guess as they got songier i loved them less but Sister at least has a bunch of great songs even if i don't love "Schizophrenia"

The Remoans of the May (Noodle Vague), Friday, 12 May 2017 18:08 (four months ago) Permalink

and i've got no problem with anthemic but it's not a thing i associate with or want from SY

The Remoans of the May (Noodle Vague), Friday, 12 May 2017 18:09 (four months ago) Permalink

DN might be their best album and imo Trilogy is the best thing on it

imago, Friday, 12 May 2017 18:10 (four months ago) Permalink

They never really mastered songwriting, and hence music was forced to rely on the likes of Steve Kipner and other professionals. Thank god songwriting was recovered from the ignorant masses. It's the only reason we still have music as we know it today...

dlp9001, Friday, 12 May 2017 18:10 (four months ago) Permalink

Sonic Nurse and Rather Ripped are two of their best albums. So many good tunes.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 May 2017 18:10 (four months ago) Permalink

'88-94

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 May 2017 18:10 (four months ago) Permalink

Evol-Sister was the peak and both sound fat as fuck imo

― The Remoans of the May (Noodle Vague), Friday, May 12, 2017 2:05 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm. i'd add bad moon rising too

marcos, Friday, 12 May 2017 18:13 (four months ago) Permalink

Good questions to ask: why were they important (or were they). Which albums were important in terms of musical history.

I'm sure that Sonic Nurse and Rather Ripped are the correct answers. Thanks, fuckwad, or whatever your name is. Amazing tunes, whooo!

dlp9001, Friday, 12 May 2017 18:13 (four months ago) Permalink

alfred otm, NYC G&F thru Rather Ripped is easily their best run.

flappy bird, Friday, 12 May 2017 18:14 (four months ago) Permalink

EVOL/Sister for me too. I was 16 in 1992 though *blows minds*

tbh I at least like most of their stuff from all decades

Colonel Poo, Friday, 12 May 2017 18:14 (four months ago) Permalink

NYC G&F is an outlier, thanks to stolen equipment and a credulous bass player....

dlp9001, Friday, 12 May 2017 18:15 (four months ago) Permalink

listening to NYC G&F for the first time in a while, never noticed the O'Rourkian glitch-fest at the end of the first track.

flappy bird, Friday, 12 May 2017 18:20 (four months ago) Permalink

Their mid-80s run (Bad Moon Rising/Evol/Sister/Daydream Nation) is great, Goo is a misstep, Dirty is crap, Experimental Jet Set, Trash and No Star is almost good, and everything afterward is completely irrelevant.

Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and Violent J (誤訳侮辱), Friday, 12 May 2017 18:22 (four months ago) Permalink

A cord and a pedal and a life that'll do for now

calstars, Friday, 12 May 2017 18:22 (four months ago) Permalink

tbh I at least like most of their stuff from all decades

― Colonel Poo, Friday, 12 May 2017 13:14 (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is true for me too but I guess I would place the peak in the 80s, since those five main studio albums still seem another-level to me. First, I was a little intrigued by flappy bird's comments on production, considering how someone born in 1993 might have no reference point for a time when it was a lot more difficult and expensive to get recording fidelity. But then he went and liked the production on Evol and Sister so that's probably not what's going on.

I hate most of that Ciccone Youth thing, though.

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Friday, 12 May 2017 18:24 (four months ago) Permalink

I do rate Murray Street about as high as the 80s albums, though!

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Friday, 12 May 2017 18:26 (four months ago) Permalink

i've never liked the production on daydream nation: everything seems masked, sister has a much richer sound

mark s, Friday, 12 May 2017 18:29 (four months ago) Permalink

For me the turning point was seeing them supported by Pavement in 92. Pavement just felt so inspired in comparison - I didn't feel the need to see SY again. Hence my vote for 80s.

Grantman, Friday, 12 May 2017 18:30 (four months ago) Permalink

Sometimes it is, sometimes it's just, like I said, pretentious posturing.

I consider the Grateful Dead and electric Miles some of my favorite music ever, for what it's worth.

Austin, Thursday, 8 June 2017 22:58 (three months ago) Permalink

i was gonna claim that intent is inaudible but i'm not sure it's true. it's easier to parse when discussing a group making a radical sonic departure or making a dumb movie or something. i don't know really know what sonic youth aren't that they're pretentiously posturing to be.. aren't they super innovative in terms of rock music? pretentions of "serious art music"-ness? sorry to pick, just braindumping

brimstead, Thursday, 8 June 2017 23:56 (three months ago) Permalink

I pretty much always have that problem with the criticism "pretentious". It's one thing to criticize someone for e.g. trying and failing to write a meaningful concept album but it seems odd to me to add an additional criticism for pretending to write a meaningful concept.

Tomorrow Begat Tomorrow (Sund4r), Friday, 9 June 2017 00:52 (three months ago) Permalink

this guy managed to bring out and clean up the drums a little on Sister.

FFS, the muffled, burred sound of Sister is one of its greatest features for me. Right from those opening tomtom hits I feel like I have slipped into this weird little detuned cotton wool universe.

attention vampire (MatthewK), Friday, 9 June 2017 01:22 (three months ago) Permalink

Washing machine/A thousand leaves is the peak.

Our maybe self-titled/confusion is sex/kill yr idols

I dunno, definitely one of those 2 eras.

silverfish, Friday, 9 June 2017 01:51 (three months ago) Permalink

I guess I am throwing that word out there (the dreaded "pretentious" — which I don't like either, but if the shoe fits) because of the way the band presented themselves. Well, not so much the band, as much as Thurston and Kim. Like it or not, they were definitely out there to make an "ARTISTIC STATEMENT WITH GUITARS." Which, I don't know, just bugs me.

Austin, Friday, 9 June 2017 03:29 (three months ago) Permalink

isn't that every art rock band ever

flappy bird, Friday, 9 June 2017 03:31 (three months ago) Permalink

i get what you're saying though - they (Thurston & Kim) had an aloofness that was really irritating

flappy bird, Friday, 9 June 2017 03:32 (three months ago) Permalink

how they positioned themselves as unflappable coolhunters and tastemakers... i only hear it in the music when they go in that wack ass beat poet shit

flappy bird, Friday, 9 June 2017 03:33 (three months ago) Permalink

FFS, the muffled, burred sound of Sister is one of its greatest features for me. Right from those opening tomtom hits I feel like I have slipped into this weird little detuned cotton wool universe.
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Thursday, June 8, 2017 8:22 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this! sister's sonic palette is unique. don't touch it!

nice cage (m bison), Friday, 9 June 2017 03:48 (three months ago) Permalink

pretentious ppl make really good ass music sometimes

nice cage (m bison), Friday, 9 June 2017 03:49 (three months ago) Permalink

Oh, absolutely. Which is why I said I couldn't really vote, as all periods have instances of utterly inspired mastery.

Austin, Friday, 9 June 2017 04:16 (three months ago) Permalink

But they did make an artistic statement with guitars. I don't see what the pretence was.

Tomorrow Begat Tomorrow (Sund4r), Friday, 9 June 2017 12:43 (three months ago) Permalink

Also, guys, that's someone's private remaster of Sister on Youtube; not like it's an official release or anything. At least they're doing something more interesting than that deluxe remaster of DN.

Tomorrow Begat Tomorrow (Sund4r), Friday, 9 June 2017 12:44 (three months ago) Permalink

I love "The Burning Spear" so much but it's just undisciplined Liquid Liquid. I said SYR is trash but SYR 4 is kind of a weird exception, I resented it when it came out because it seemed like some push toward "legitimizing their pop music in the eyes of [whom?] by staking a claim within the avant-garde musical community" which is disappointing in six different ways at once, but in retrospect I'm totally into both the spirit of its curation and the quality of its execution

fgti, Friday, 9 June 2017 13:14 (three months ago) Permalink

it seemed like some push toward "legitimizing their pop music in the eyes of [whom?] by staking a claim within the avant-garde musical community"

I never felt like this was the intention fwiw.

Tomorrow Begat Tomorrow (Sund4r), Friday, 9 June 2017 15:13 (three months ago) Permalink

Not that I'd know but it's just not how I ever saw it. Band members had been doing avant and improv side projects fairly consistently for a while by that point and had played with Branca around when they started releasing anything as a band. And "whom" seems like a key question there: I never imagined that the band was really that desperate to impress the very small niche of people who know who Christian Wolff and James Tenney are.

Tomorrow Begat Tomorrow (Sund4r), Friday, 9 June 2017 15:21 (three months ago) Permalink

I don't feel like it was the intention either! But I did at the time.

I will try to describe it. I was told by friends that Sonic Youth had issued some statement to people calling them sell-outs for playing Lollapalooza, saying they'd take the money, build their own studio, and start their SYR series. The false equivalency of "difficult music" with "antiestablishment" has no truck with me as I don't think sonic dissonance and politics are related. The idea that a rock band would play improvised new music, or, in the case of SYR 4, perform compositions by avant-garde composers, as an effort to gain back the perceived loss of credibility from "going mainstream" just makes me feel insane about a long list of bullet-points, i.e. the ridiculousness of fan ownership, the ridiculousness of making "difficult music records" to appease that ownership, that aforementioned false equivalency, etc. etc.

In short, I perceived that the SYR series and 4 in particular was a stupid exercise at appeasing stupid fans and their stupid perceptions of what a band was supposed to do. At the time I felt this. But now I don't care. It's a good recording of some good compositions, good work team!

I mean I used to feel weird about Ciccone Youth and SY's cover of Superstar or whatever because I thought they were piss-takes. I used to think Thurston was fucking annoying for wearing his list of influences on his sleeve in interviews like he felt he needed a pedigree. I remember in the 90s the scourge of authenticity and the smug superiority. I don't care any more. Ciccone Youth rocks and I love the cover of "Superstar". Idk sorry for the long types. I don't know how to feel about this band lol

fgti, Friday, 9 June 2017 20:36 (three months ago) Permalink

Did anyone watch that beck/thurston 120 minutes interview I posted above. Not sure if they're both assholes, only one of them (and which one), or if it's just me who is the asshole.

Karl Malone, Friday, 9 June 2017 20:41 (three months ago) Permalink

Like c'mon Sund4r I know they live and work in NYC and they're as avant-garde as anybody but you don't think there's something kind of suspect and smug about a second-billing festival band issuing a survey recording of avant-garde compositions? I guess it's the survey-esque nature of the thing that frustrated me xp

fgti, Friday, 9 June 2017 20:41 (three months ago) Permalink

Also lol at that interview. "Maybe a Heino record.. or Xanadu..." "Well, I'm sure all these viewers can really relate to you on that!" idk! it was the 90s! everybody was like that, no? Beck is just not selling it particularly well

fgti, Friday, 9 June 2017 20:45 (three months ago) Permalink

(I'm a fan of that interview!)

Tomorrow Begat Tomorrow (Sund4r), Friday, 9 June 2017 21:09 (three months ago) Permalink

Supporting/encouraging Beck was the biggest aesthetic crime anyone in Sonic Youth was ever involved in.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 9 June 2017 21:40 (three months ago) Permalink

in retrospect, this is v v true

nice cage (m bison), Friday, 9 June 2017 22:28 (three months ago) Permalink

I always felt that SY4 was more of an attempt to impress O'Rourke, or - we've now got this guy who knows a lot about avant-garde music and has improvised a lot, how do make USE of that?

And weren't they just saying, the more 'popular' things we like to do fund the less 'popular' things we like to do?

Bernie Lugg (Ward Fowler), Friday, 9 June 2017 22:59 (three months ago) Permalink

Considering the 90s were a time where Beck was into drone guitar and Olivia since before he could speak and he was so slack that his real name was the sound of a sneaker hitting the wall I think that playing into the dissonance = credibility = cool equation was probably a part of it, even if the story of them starting SYR to allay "sell-out" accusations was spurious

fgti, Saturday, 10 June 2017 00:13 (three months ago) Permalink

that Beck interview is fucking classic. SYR4 is great.. i was a super-stupid fan of sonic youth in 1999, and it fell right in line with my own trajectory outwards, discovering the larger world of music, fucking around with sounds and recording regularly. side A (of 4) sounded fully unhinged, with Kim G's vague, hushed vocals woven into the loose fabric - it was mysterious and difficult to understand. it introduced me to Christian Marclay, who made satisfying percussive sounds w/turntable, records etc. on "Burdocks" (a highlight) and throughout the four sides (the longer Cage pieces esp.) "Six for New Time" is another highlight, maybe the closest thing resembling a song (Slint-like?) on the album, and it introduced me to Pauline Oliveros. loved the variety of percussion and electronic sounds, the general sparseness of it, with meaty textures and odd juxtapositions.. but the ideas it presented were sometimes more appealing than the actual material/results. i'm glad to have been naive or ignorant of any supposed political or aesthetic intent for the album at the time, though i really dug the layout (font, graphics etc.) of the SYR series.

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Saturday, 10 June 2017 00:14 (three months ago) Permalink

Considering the 90s were a time where Beck was into drone guitar and Olivia since before he could speak and he was so slack that his real name was the sound of a sneaker hitting the wall I think that playing into the dissonance = credibility = cool equation was probably a part of it, even if the story of them starting SYR to allay "sell-out" accusations was spurious

― fgti, Friday, June 9, 2017 8:13 PM (twelve minutes ago)

this post is poetry

flappy bird, Saturday, 10 June 2017 00:30 (three months ago) Permalink

True story (and PUA tip): I shared that interview with my current partner of 3.5 years when we were first courting.

Tomorrow Begat Tomorrow (Sund4r), Saturday, 10 June 2017 00:44 (three months ago) Permalink

SYR4 is great.. i was a super-stupid fan of sonic youth in 1999, and it fell right in line with my own trajectory outwards, discovering the larger world of music, fucking around with sounds and recording regularly.

This was very similar to my experience. By '99, I'd just started getting seriously into experimental composers. From my weirdly self-absorbed pov, it just seemed like a logical direction for them to go at the time, with the alternative moment in popular culture having more or less passed, esp after they had already put out a 20-minute song that was mostly a noise jam on a Geffen record.

Tomorrow Begat Tomorrow (Sund4r), Saturday, 10 June 2017 13:11 (three months ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Sunday, 11 June 2017 00:01 (three months ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Monday, 12 June 2017 00:01 (three months ago) Permalink

154 votes! nice. kinda surprised that 00s placed last

flappy bird, Monday, 12 June 2017 00:03 (three months ago) Permalink

The results are too close

EZ Snappin, Monday, 12 June 2017 00:13 (three months ago) Permalink

Lmao

the rockists' red glare (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 12 June 2017 17:44 (three months ago) Permalink

154 votes

wtf

Οὖτις, Monday, 12 June 2017 18:04 (three months ago) Permalink

xp i love that when they get to "90s nostalgia" thurston sounds like he's midway through a stereotypical old person speech "which was the style at the time..."

also damn i know i've thought this and probably posted this before but are those caricatures they do for the over/under's intentionally really bad and unflattering?

flappy bird, Monday, 12 June 2017 18:15 (three months ago) Permalink

The "1987" in that url was really fucking with my head.

the rockists' red glare (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 12 June 2017 18:29 (three months ago) Permalink

vaping blows

busy bee starski (m coleman), Monday, 12 June 2017 18:43 (three months ago) Permalink

otm

flappy bird, Monday, 12 June 2017 18:49 (three months ago) Permalink

"Sugar is just wicked at my age."

flappy bird, Monday, 12 June 2017 19:20 (three months ago) Permalink

hey that too (i'm the same age as him); weight gain is a bitch for old dudes, even stringbeans like thurston

busy bee starski (m coleman), Monday, 12 June 2017 19:26 (three months ago) Permalink

TeenAge wiot

calstars, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 01:29 (three months ago) Permalink

hello twenty, fifteen!

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:58 (three months ago) Permalink

sister-sister-sister

space2k, Monday, 19 June 2017 18:31 (three months ago) Permalink

radical adults lick godhead style

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 19 June 2017 19:16 (three months ago) Permalink

boys go to jupiter get more stupider
girls go to mars become rockstars

flappy bird, Monday, 19 June 2017 19:52 (three months ago) Permalink

one two one two one two titty

massaman gai, Monday, 19 June 2017 19:54 (three months ago) Permalink

don't forget to close the door

the rockists' red glare (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 04:09 (three months ago) Permalink


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