The Doors: Classic or Dud?

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I was listening to The Doors today, which I hardly ever do, and I remembered that they are in fact, despite everything, and incredible band. The live Riders On The Storm/L.A. Woman thing where they're run together (where is this? anyone enlighten me?) is magnificent. There's a certain incendiary passion to the best of the work, I think, that almost completely makes up for the lizard-cock-king nonsense. Classic.

Sterling Clover, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Let me second that, yeah they are the uncoolest band around, everybody is fed up with the Cult of Jimbo, and still there's enough to warrant a classic vote. First album of course, somehow 'Light My Fire' never bores me, 'Crystal Ship' is one of my favourite stoney love songs. And well 'The End' = Apocalypse Now = cool in my book. "Strange Days" is their best album though, no weak track on it. The rest up till 'L.A. Woman' is patchy with some occasional brilliant stuff. But the last album is again classic. Of course I never listen to them, but I really should dig out 'LA Woman' again. So yeah they were ridiculous, pretentious, over-analysed, silly and smart...like any good band should be ;)

Omar, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

If I wasn't so lazy, I'd work up a serious thing on how unusual it is for a rock band to have its motorik organised round an ORGAN BASS- PEDAL instead of a bass guitar (I know Manzarek and sometimes others sometimes played bass guitar, but OFTEN NOT). In micro-rhythm terms I think this makes a big difference to the interplay: like a sort of microscopic ragtime shuffle. (Esp., maybe, in the response times and sense of attack of Krieger's guitar?)

Dunno, perhaps this is just a spectacular muso bid to find a justified way of not listening to Mr "Mother-I-Want-To-bleeeagh"? After Stone's fabby-goofy-ghastly movie, I kind of decided that I preferred to assume that Manzarek was the talent, and Morrison just a guy who made bad avant-garde movies in a decade swimming with bad avant-garde movie. So, search: variant rhythm interplay, and Waiting for the Sun.

mark s, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

morrison's poetry is, for the most part, utterly blank pseudo fakery on the patr of one of the more repellant figures in the fake- liverated period of overdriven mysiogyny that was the late 1960s, but the records have some great moments. 'unknown soldier', 'waiting for the sun', 'changeling', 'crystal ship', (of course) 'light my fire' (tho; the keyboard solo is, for the most part, dullsville)

stevie, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The only other band I can think of who used keyboard/organ bass instead of bass guitar is van der graaf generator, who were truly out there.

As far as the doors go, one can mock morrison all one likes, and god knows it's easy - "he was a shaman - he trod where others feared to etc". Yeah. Whatever. But they are still really good records IMO. I don't think they ever made a 100% classic album, but when I spotted a bunch of CD reissues in cute mini-vinyl-style sleeves on sale in HMV, I bought as many as I could afford...

Classic for me, then.

Norman Fay, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"I promised I would drown myself in mystic heated wine": I think I've just changed my mind on JM, actually

The VGG organist [name beyond reach this morning: Hugh something?] would hold down adjacent low notes so that the combined overtones would deliver a heterodyning feedback-throb thing, as rhythym or (maybe: I never saw them) as note...

mark s, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, the Doors (the people who played things) were quite a good band. Jim Morrison was a part of the group. Yeah, they were good, perhaps classic, but they were dragged down a few notches by Jim and his cocks.

Dud, just because I got over LA Woman and don't care to associate with 15 year olds anymore (he said as he turned on his new Weezer album again)

JM, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

That's not the first time I've heard that accusastion aimed at the Doors...is it only possible to REALLY like them if you're 15? I don't like them as much as I used too...hmmm...

DG, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The reason not to like the Doors - i.e. Jim Morrison - is so well rehearsed and cliched now that it seems like a real waste of energy to go over it again.

But that doesn't make it any less true. Dud. Part of pop is taking things on faith, sometimes.

Tom, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The Doors are most interesting at their extremes: The Lizard King schtick and "Touch Me", where they go pop like early Chicago.

The image of Morrison swaying in leather pants with a microphone stand in hand is one of the more enduring Rock archetypes; it's been coppped many times since, by just about every rock band singer who wanted to be "serious" (Bono, Misfits, Creed, REM). Sure, it's riddiculous, but definitely part of the fun with this band, maybe something like the thrill of seeing Lil' Kim squeezed into her latest comstume. Dorky pop theater.

Then there is "touch me" and the like, a handful of great, catchy pop songs that revealed The Doors teenybopper roots.

Still, so many terrible songs on those albums, and yes, I have heard them all. So I'm leaning toward dud.

Mark, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Dud - particularly in light of the fact that every indie/alternative nightclub in the North East of England insists on playing the toss that is Light My Fire every single week. It's almost as if it's some weird contractual obligation or something.

Eamonn, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Mark - Van der Graaf's organist was Hugh Banton. As well as the heterodyning basso profundo throb referred to (similar in principle, but at lower frequencies to the way the theremin works) he'd do such fun things as run his bass pedals thru 18" drivers, or modify his hammond organ so you could power down the rotors, but not the pickups! He now designs digitally sampled pipe organs for installation in churches(iirc, his site is www.soundproof.demon.co.uk). How frightfully rock & roll. Hugh Banton is one of my heroes, and I wish I could play like him.

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Norman Fay, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

ah jimbo - the man who I thought i was the night i did 3 lines of coke in an argentine beerhall, after drinking 9 litres of beer, throwing up, watching a U2 concert live from sydney, and somehow ending up in the boot of a hatchback, pondering how marvellous it was that all the street lights were running away from me, instead of hurling themselves towards me... Umm, classic.

Geoff, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

When I was eighteen I cared a bit more. Now...no. I know some extremely passionate fans and every so often I'm reminded why they can connect, but generally speaking I let them slide these days.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Jim would have a better reputation these days if it weren't for three things:

1. Manzarek's hippybabble testimonials (poor Kyle MacLachlan). 2. Oliver Stone (duh). 3. Val Kilmer, who should have retired after Top Secret.

Every now and then I'm reminded of their occasional greatness, but it was very occasional. He inspired Iggy, so perhaps that's the best thing about him.

So which stamp will it be, then? Fat Jim or Skinny Jim?

Andy, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The film killed it for me though i like Jim Morrison overall.Hollywood's take on the Doors was awful and destroyed the myth..

cockney red, Sunday, 20 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Hav eyou noticed there seem to be allot of covers of "Light My Fire" including by Ananda Shankar and The Free Design. I had to do one myself . I figure everyone should. I say the Doors are good, the world would be worse off without them. I dont think they are great, but I'm glad the song "Love Street " exists, if only for the part at the end where he sort of talks oddly "I wonder what they do in there!"

Mike Hanley, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Who did that really sleazy cover of Light My Fire in the 70's? Was it Jimmy Buffett? I'm serious...

JM, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

obvious and overstated fact reiterated: covers of doors songs far superior to tedious originals

gareth, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Jimmy: Are you thinking of the Jose Feliciano cover?

Andy: Oh yes, Manzarek is one of the few people who still talks about the "The Sixties" as if it was some construct. Bleech.

Dud, on those lyrics alone. So insufferable and indulgent. Just dribble. "The Soft Parade" could be the most unintentionally hilarious song ever.

scott p., Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Shirley Bassey's version of Light My Fire rates pretty highly as does the recent release of Burroughs drily vomiting out Jimbo's prosey, whilst Mr Mojo Risin whoops in the background. Anyone remember "ode to the death of my penis"?

Geoff, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Amii Stewart followed up her 'disco' version of 'Knock on Wood' with a 'disco' version of 'Light My Fire' in (I think) the late 70s/early '80s. 'Sleazy' isn't quite the word for it, tho...

Andrew L, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Nico's "The End" is classic.

scott p., Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Classic. Jimbo didn't decline the approved Dolls way, he decided to turn into a fat, loud, drunken slob and leave a bloated corpse, just like yer dad. Gets the nod over Elvis because drinking yourself to death is even more pedestrian than having 287 simultaneous prescriptions.

tarden, Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

three months pass...
Classic. Jimbo was hardly talented as a singer, but he did come up with some great melody lines. They were great songwriters, plain and simple. Also, the Doors are yet more proof that it's almost _always_ better to seek out the original albums. "Strange Days" anyone? And will someone please tell me why I don't hate "Touch Me?" And why, in fact, I really like it? I _should_ hate it with a passion, but for some reason I don't.

Jack Redelfs, Sunday, 23 September 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah I know what you mean re: 'Touch Me'. You should hate it and somehow you don't. I think it's the sublime melody. Mind you, if The Doors could have participated in the Eurovision Song Festival of say '68 with that song they would have won by a landslide.

Omar, Monday, 24 September 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

four months pass...
wow

ethan, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

five months pass...
Now then the Doors is it? Hello. Hello hello hello hello hello hello hello hello hello hello. Hello. Sorry 'bout that. It's just that the Doors are obviously quite good. Hello.

There are very few people in rock who can yell "C'mon" like Jim (hello Maggie M'Gill) - Iggy, Jagger, erm, that's it - and that spirit alone makes them instant classics. It's spine tingling when they hit the buttons right.

I can't listen to them all the time but when you put them on the stereo, OK, you gotta sit through the odd filler, but what about those classics huh? 'The End', 'LA Woman', 'Roadhouse Blues' 'Two Times', I mean if these songs can't excite you, you need to get your heart checked out.

What about 'Riders on the Storm' late at night and loud. Or 'When The Music's Over' driving through the dusk. Fuck's sake, if you like rock, you can't dislike these boys, they ARE rock, just like the Stones. If you can't get into it you need to go out this Friday, get fucked out of your brain on booze, down some mandrax, smoke some weed and hit the dancefloor in full leer, get thrown out and somehow end up in a cab with a bunch of randoms all dropping strong uppers which you stuff down your neck while screaming out the window and arrive at some dive-bar party where anything goes, play pool, smoke all night, dance on tables and laugh like tomorrow ain't coming, before leaving with a beautiful member of the opposite sex, or whatever sex turns you on that night, and get crazy under the stars, waking up with the sun in God know's where and slipping your sunglasses on to catch breakfast and conversation with your companion. Then go and listen to the Doors.

Rock in the soul - The Doors had it to the max. If you have even an ounce yourself - you can't fail to dig this shit. And that's not even taking in the phenomenal musicianship. Jesus fucking Christ, Manzarek is off the head - supreme skills, check the organ solo in 'Hyacinth House' - what?

Absolute fucking rock and roll classic. Hello.

Roger Fascist, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Hee, Roger's post reminds of Bruce McCulloch's (of Kids in the Hall) "Doors" song (from 'Shame-Based Man'). Hilarious.

Nevertheless, classic.

dasda, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

What is rock and roll?

Roger Fascist, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Sorry, it's the echo of the imagery (and that same appeal to a certain kind of experience-- i.e. go to a bar, stay up all night, get drunk, play pool ["or pinball, or possibly even foozball"], get into a fight and so on) that made me laugh-- because that song always makes me laugh-- not your (Roger's) post itself. I like how you put it, love the imagery. But what makes the parody so great is that it really hits its target.

[Hey, I romanticize (Sturm und Drang Romantic) the music that I love, music that affects me viscerally, too. So I'm also laughing at myself here.]

dasda, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

you can't dislike these boys, they ARE rock, just like the Stones

What is rock and roll?

Roger, the Stones are NOT rock - as "proven" by dave q and mark s on this thread. Best not to get into your question, tho' or we'll be here all night.

(heh, ignore me I'm just shit- stirring having just read Dr.C's excellent rant on the ABBA thread)

Jeff W, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I tried but I just can't let that go. The Stones are part of what has defined rock. Like I said somwhere else, it's bands like The Doors and the Stones which wrote the rock and roll rulebook ie: how to rock (make storming, visceral, blues based electrolised music) and how to roll (be exciting, and do things which Joe Normal wouldn't).

Rock and Roll for me is the Doors, is the Stones. If it's not them, please tell me who it is because I want to hear them. See, I can take people dissing the Doors and the Stones, that's fine, but to say they don't rock, or to question their rock and roll pedigree is plain silly. Virtually everything percieved to be 'rock and roll' is prevalent and highly potent in the phenomena that was these two bands (the Stones have sucked for over two decades now).

I would go so far as to say The Doors and the Stones are intrinsic to our understanding, reception, reaction to and interpretation of 'rock and roll'. Jagger and Morrison inarguably set the mould for the 'rock star', (though of course, they were indebted to others).

Roger Fascist, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The only thing I'm questioning is why the fuck anyone wants to "rock" in that definition anymore. Or at least only wants to rock that way. You can keep your lovely little term "rock" because to be honest noone's arguing with you because they couldn't give a shit about such a stupid 4 letter word, there are better ways to talk about things.

Ronan, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

You think so? I dunno, I always thought rock was quite a good word. I mean people tend to know what you're talking about when you say 'rock'. Anyway, what's wrong with wanting to 'rock'? And what definition of rock are you aluding to here?

Certainly, I'm not sure that I suggested for one nanosecond that I wanted to rock in one way only. I think what I said was that the Stones and the Doors are rock and roll. Refute me.

Not that I particularly want another argument with you, but I was responding to that chap who said the Stones are not rock. I say they are. You say potato.

Finally, when you define rock as a "stupid 4 letter word," adding "there are better ways to talk about things" I'd like to ask to what ways you are referring.

Roger Fascist, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Haha here we go again, more wackily easy debates with you.

What definition of rock are you alluding to here

Rock and Roll for me is the Doors, is the Stones. If it's not them, please tell me who it is because I want to hear them

This is great because you're so confident other people give a shit about "rock and roll" you actually think someone's going to go "NO NO MY FAVOURITE BAND ROCKS! I SWEAR THEY REALLY DO!". You say "rock and roll for me is the doors, is the stones" as if this automatically means they are good, as if the genre automatically means this, and most laughably as if everyone else here will think that too.

Look around, there aren't many here who wet themselves as much as you over "rock and roll" or the "rock star". Noone cares if you think the Stones and the Doors have an exclusive right to being able to "rock and roll" because noone really values that term anyway.

I'm sure you were responding to someone else, it's just so constantly tempting to take the piss out of your "rockers and ravers uniting" and "for me that's rock and roll" bullshit.

Ronan, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

You are very wide of the mark.

To address: "you're so confident other people give a shit about "rock and roll" you actually think someone's going to go "NO NO MY FAVOURITE BAND ROCKS! I SWEAR THEY REALLY DO!"

No, I'm the one who seems to give a shit - go all gushy and excited stroke vitriolic and then take all the shit. That I am confident people give a shit is not true - I know nothing of these boards or the regulars such as your good self. I am the paranoid new boy who gets ripped up because he gets all enthusiastic, and is considered a 'troll' (though I still have no idea what a troll is because no-one has explained).

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"You say "rock and roll for me is the doors, is the stones" as if this automatically means they are good"

Did I? I thought I defined the Stones and Doors as 'good' as you put it, in relation to my perceptions of rock and roll. I think what I was saying was The Stones and the Doors do 'rock and roll', according to my terms, better than most other bands I can think of. That those terms are rigid is an incorrect assumption on your part.

- "as if the genre automatically means this" means what???

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"Look around, there aren't many here who wet themselves as much as you over "rock and roll" or the "rock star". Noone cares if you think the Stones and the Doors have an exclusive right to being able to "rock and roll" because noone really values that term anyway."

So what? Why do you presume that it matter whether no-one cares? And who said anything about 'exclusive rights'? That no-one really values the term rock and roll is not for you to say Ronan. Perhaps you are right though, and I am appreciating this type of music for all the wrong reasons... What are the right ones?

In closing, may I add that you are a capable sparring partner but assume too much Ronan. That I talk bullshit is certain, but in the terms that you suggest is equally as shit-filled.

Roger Fascist, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I know nothing of these boards or the regulars such as your good self.

I do not buy that for one second. Or even a quarter of a second.

Your story has become tiresome. Not to mention predictable.

awag, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I used to get a bit upset when people said things like if you don't like the Stones you have no rock in your soul - but then I realised I don't, actually, have any rock in my soul and I am totally fine with that. So maybe it's true!

Tom, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"I know nothing of these boards or the regulars such as your good self. I do not buy that for one second. Or even a quarter of a second. Your story has become tiresome. Not to mention predictable."

1: It's true - I found these boards last week. How many times do I need to say it? What kind of a closed forum is this?

2: The story is tiresome because you lot keep necessitating its repetition. Strange that it is so hard to accept.

3: The predicatability I can do nothing about.

Roger Fascist, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Ronan I have just realised why Roger F's defenses sound so familiar - they are like when you talk about new Primal Scream stuff! ;)

Tom, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I used to get a bit upset when people said things like if you don't like the Stones you have no rock in your soul - but then I realised I don't, actually, have any rock in my soul and I am totally fine with that. So maybe it's true!

Now I finally understand where all this anti-Rockist sentiment comes from, Mr. Ewing. You're actually incapable of loving Der Rock Und Roll, and YOU'RE JEALOUS OF THE REST OF US!! :)

When you come visit NYC and/or Philly, I promise to teach you The Ways Of Rock. Maura will help, I'm sure.

Dave M., Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

No Tom my defences were better, because I used BIG BROTHER!

I still like that new song but I honestly reckon "the ILM Mafia" ahem and their constant Primal Scream hatred will actually lessen my enjoyment of the new album, if I even buy it. It worked with Spiritualized Let It Come Down to the point where I can't tell if (a) I like it as a response to the dislike (b)I dislike it because of the criticism or (c)I dislike it (for my own reasons) but won't admit that to myself because it would be giving in to the criticism.

Ronan, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm sorry but what does having 'soul' mean? I've had this argument with a few MC5 fans and I have to say that thye don't know what they are talking about and nor do you.

the reasons for you liking things are kind of superficial/cliched even...rock is a 'marketing' term designed by record companies to sell recs (oh yes, the m- word again). Genre words can give an idea abt instrumentation used but little else, it is very reductive.

the 'rock' word has gone through a lot since then, a lot of things have happened to that. I'd say the doors had a bit of 'psychedelia' in them too, the sound was kind of strange, for a start rock bands have a bass player and the doors didn't. Saying something is 'rock' (in this case anyway) just won't do.

I was kind of pissed off abt your comments on rock vs. rap thread as well...

Julio Desouza, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Roger: I'm sorry I called you a troll on the other thread. A 'troll' is someone who drops in, makes obnoxiously unintelligent comments and often never returns, or who sticks around trying to stir things up. You are clearly neither unintelligent nor deliberately trying to antagonize (well, apart from Ronan maybe). It wasn't cool, and I apologize.

But the fact is that your routine, as it were, seems to be dredging up old threads about classic bands, spouting some ill-considered and dare I say juvenile rhetoric about how they are awesome, and working down from there. Maybe you should sit back for a few days and read some old threads, as well as archived FT articles to get a handle on the general tone of the discussion before you post another rant. We do tend to get fairly agressive with each other on these boards, but watching you and Ronan go at it has put me off almost as much as the grand old days of Doompatrol (use the search engine if you really want to know).

Dave M., Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

then again, my grand entree to the board was telling Simon Reynolds to fuck off, so what do I know? ignore me, i'm just pretending to be a moderator.

Dave M., Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

This is exactly what Anna Rose did - except often she was even more glib and ill-considered - and everyone gave her a free pass! (Which was cool, because she stuck around and we all got used to her and liked her.)

The only thing I think might count as 'trolling' is calling yourself "Roger Fascist".

Tom, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

It's a very Marcello-ish name, if you aren't him then I apologize.

awag, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

awag I thought YOU were Marcello! :)

Tom, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Ouch.

awag, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

there was also a wave of dorm posters around 1980, when Jerry Hopkins published No One Here Gets Out Alive

Brad C., Monday, 13 August 2018 15:33 (two years ago) link

Also, "Apocalypse Now" soundtrack.

Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Monday, 13 August 2018 15:37 (two years ago) link

Huh, not my experience at all though I guess I was in high school in between Hopkins and Oliver Stone. The Doors were a very esoteric interest at the time.

timellison, Monday, 13 August 2018 16:03 (two years ago) link

(College too now that I think about it - late '80s)

timellison, Monday, 13 August 2018 16:14 (two years ago) link

Must...try and...remember...

Blecch, where is thy Zing? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 13 August 2018 16:27 (two years ago) link

Was at an art gallery on Saturday and it seems Val Kilmer is producing Morrison-related art works. Stuff like this.

https://cdn8.bigcommerce.com/s-bamcrxgk9l/images/stencil/500x659/products/686/641/JM0_095__99801.1518721636.jpg?c=2&imbypass=on

To his credit he's not charging "celebrity art work" prices, I think they were around $250-$300.

nickn, Monday, 13 August 2018 16:39 (two years ago) link

Apparently he's got a whole cottage industry going. https://valkilmer.com/

nickn, Monday, 13 August 2018 16:45 (two years ago) link

I guess I don't hear them as stiff at all? Densmore has kind of a light, jazzy touch and Krieger is one of the least macho or chugging of the 60s guitar heroes

otm. "break on through" came on at a bar yesterday and i suddenly fell in love with densmore's drumming on it

princess of hell (BradNelson), Monday, 13 August 2018 17:27 (two years ago) link

I've never thought Densmore was all that good but Krieger was a really interesting guitarist.

Scottish Country Twerking (Tom D.), Monday, 13 August 2018 17:29 (two years ago) link

Not that interested in repeating myself so will note that my thoughts on Manzarek and Densmore's relative stiff-ness is upthread - Manzarek in particular can't swing for shit, and his circus organ playing style is grating in a lot of places.

Οὖτις, Monday, 13 August 2018 18:15 (two years ago) link

The famous 1981 Rolling Stone piece is when I remember the hype took off:
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/jim-morrison-lives-the-legacy-of-the-lizard-king-64885/

campreverb, Monday, 13 August 2018 18:26 (two years ago) link

I like Densmore and Krieger's playing on almost all Doors stuff.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Monday, 13 August 2018 18:29 (two years ago) link

If you can swing on a harpsichord, Manzarek's comping on "Love Me Too Times" seems fine to me.

timellison, Monday, 13 August 2018 18:36 (two years ago) link

Or a tack piano on "People Are Strange"

timellison, Monday, 13 August 2018 18:38 (two years ago) link

the Lost Boys must have given them a bit of a boost as well.

how's life, Monday, 13 August 2018 18:39 (two years ago) link

Are any members of the Doors egregious in their lack of ability to swing on "Love Street?"

timellison, Monday, 13 August 2018 18:41 (two years ago) link

That RS article is fucking amazing.

Mr. Snrub, Monday, 13 August 2018 18:46 (two years ago) link

Haven't read the whole article yet so it may say in there but '81 is also when the No One Here Gets Out Alive documentary (based on the book mentioned) came out. I saw it a bit later, '85 possibly, around the release of the The Best Of double album. The Doors definitely on the radar of impressionable youths in the mid to late 80s.

dorsalstop, Monday, 13 August 2018 20:39 (two years ago) link

"On the radar," sure, "Cult of Jim" much less sure based on own life experience.

timellison, Monday, 13 August 2018 21:05 (two years ago) link

I have strong memories of witnessing this Cult of Jimbo forming out of the corner of my eye in the early eighties. Not sure I can organize them properly to type in this tiny text box.

Blecch, where is thy Zing? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 00:35 (two years ago) link

stiff like a mad prancing stallion
in the wild, illuminated by moonlight

nicky lo-fi, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 00:52 (two years ago) link

i think the "cult of jim" is real but it's pretty much just confined to teenagers and oliver stone these days. i've known a lot of doors fans and i don't think any of them have built backyard shrines to morrison or gone on pilgrimages to his grave or whatever.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 01:07 (two years ago) link

Has anyone on this thread gone along on one of those pilgrimages to Père Lachaise?

Blecch, where is thy Zing? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 01:10 (two years ago) link

*raises hand*

Blecch, where is thy Zing? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 01:10 (two years ago) link

i never realized how much jim morrison looks like warwick davis

doors fans weren't as obnoxious when i was a teenager (in the early '90s) as dead fans, but there was a sort of adolescent intensity to them that made it all a little embarrassing later on. that part where you realize oh wait jim morrison _isn't_ actually a Great Poet. once one gets over that, they're pretty good.

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 01:18 (two years ago) link

We are overlooking the 80s goth connection to Jim, those def overlapped a bit (echo & the bunnymen for ex)

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 01:24 (two years ago) link

To the Cult of Jim, i meant to say

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 01:25 (two years ago) link

ian curtis had to be a doors fan, right?

brimstead, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 01:36 (two years ago) link

Brad Smithfield on Iggy Pop:

October 1967 at a homecoming dance at the University of Michigan, he found the inspiration for his own utterly “blasphemous” live performances. The young Iggy was blown away by Morrison’s charisma and dark energy and started a band which would go on to become an archetype of punk rock.

“Here’s this guy, out of his head on acid, dressed in leather with his hair all oiled and curled,” says Iggy, remembering Morrison in 2011. “It got confrontational. Part of me was like, ‘Wow, this is great. He’s really pissing people off and he’s lurching around making these guys angry.’ ”

nicky lo-fi, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 01:38 (two years ago) link

iggy, ian curtis, nick cave, m gira all doors fans

marcos, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 02:03 (two years ago) link

If my trip to the county fair last week is any indication (totally scientific), cobain is the Morrison of the kids these days. Though I did see a doors shirt on a teen.

tylerw, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 02:22 (two years ago) link

county fairs are very scientific for doors research

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 03:24 (two years ago) link

"Weird Scenes Inside The 4H Tent..."

Ubering With The King (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 03:36 (two years ago) link

I went to his grave too, quite underwhelming

niels, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 08:06 (two years ago) link

Ahah I have lived 10 years next to the Pere Lachaise, have walked around regularly (it’s a gorgeous place) but somehow I have never been to the lizard’s grave !

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 08:25 (two years ago) link

Has anyone on this thread gone along on one of those pilgrimages to Père Lachaise?

Oh I forgot, there's Père Lachaise as well! In the UK, there's was definitely a Goth-y aspect and corny Goth/rock crossover people like ... Ian Astbury omg!

https://keyassets.timeincuk.net/inspirewp/live/wp-content/uploads/sites/28/2008/05/ridersonthestorm021106w.jpg

Scottish Country Twerking (Tom D.), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 08:46 (two years ago) link

Jim is alive

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 12:01 (two years ago) link

I actually went to Pere Lachaise with the intention of checking out Morrison's grave when I visited Paris 20 years ago, but when I got to the gates I had an overwhelming feeling like I was an asshole and I turned around and walked away.

how's life, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 12:42 (two years ago) link

doors were very beloved among our scene of suburban teen potheads, mainly because the most charismatic, older-than-his-years kid at the center of our social circle was a huge believer in the cult of jim. starting at age 10 or 11 he turned us all on

marcos, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 15:21 (two years ago) link

Jim is alive

Looking at that photo, I'm not entirely sure that Krieger is.

Vast Halo, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 18:59 (two years ago) link

ten months pass...

Goofy Thought On A Lazy Friday Afternoon: "Roadhouse Blues" Kind Of Invented Aerosmith.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 21 June 2019 22:55 (one year ago) link

Aerosmith did do quite a few mid tempo blues shuffle feels/songs like "Roadhouse Blues" like "Uncle Salty", "Same Old Song & Dance", etc...

The band you will see Tyler, Perry and Whitford all talk about in interviews was seeing the Yardbirds live in Boston. Many of those hard rock bands that came out of Detroit also point to seeing Yardbirds live as a big eye opener too.

earlnash, Saturday, 22 June 2019 00:24 (one year ago) link

Yeah, their Yardbirds love runs deep. But I was listening to Morrison Hotel today, and it struck me how RB sets a template for the Aerosmith Blooz numbers you mention, down to Jimbo's scatting.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 22 June 2019 03:29 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

really feeling "Indian Summer" rn, so dreamy and introspective, is that Krieger on bass?

sleeve, Monday, 28 September 2020 02:28 (three weeks ago) link

That track was left over from the recording sessions for their 1st album and I think it's just Manzarek playing bass on a Fender Rhodes

Josefa, Monday, 28 September 2020 03:45 (three weeks ago) link

This is...sort of interesting: Apparently WMG (or whoever) released a "stripped" (no strings, no horns) version of The Soft Parade for Record Store Day.

Not much info here, but this is now a thing which exists.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 4 October 2020 22:15 (two weeks ago) link

It came out last year as bonus tracks of the 50th Anniversary edition, though it was called "Doors only mix" and I think there were new overdubs too, I haven't heard it but I guess they are really grasping at straws w/r/t to "unreleased" material

chr1sb3singer, Sunday, 4 October 2020 22:54 (two weeks ago) link

No strings no horns sounds just about right ?

calstars, Sunday, 4 October 2020 23:09 (two weeks ago) link

Interesting to check out like all these leftovers for a deep listener, but rare to have it be a real nugget I would figure at this point.

I kind of like listening to that American Prayer record or the two without Jimbo sometimes, as there is some really good 'music' there that might have taken step to the other side if liz' king would have still been around. Fatboy Slim found one hook in the debris.

earlnash, Monday, 5 October 2020 01:56 (two weeks ago) link

the rework of Waiting For The Sun that whitehallunity made is soooooo good

All cars are bad (Euler), Saturday, 17 October 2020 16:56 (one week ago) link


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