wtf at no.9 in my 10: sonic youth "the walls have ears" -- rest is acceptable except new picnic time is the best ubu not modern dance
― mark s, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:04 (seven years ago) link
he mentioned in the intro that Squeeze no longer met the tenets of the book's thesis or something – an odd thing to say about Squeeze in 1994.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:05 (seven years ago) link
"alternative" is by definition a word that ports in a statue-felling manifesto with it
― mark s, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:06 (seven years ago) link
I mean, "Hourglass" was being played next to Kenny Loggins at that point, so I get it
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:07 (seven years ago) link
wish i'd put a squeeze lp in my 10 for that sonic youth tbh, i far prefer squeeze now and liked em then (but i probably didn't then file em under alt, more fool me)
― mark s, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:08 (seven years ago) link
but then we get to the discussion about Madonna's inclusion and then I'd say Madonna sounded alternative in 1994 than Squeeze ever did and I say eh why bother.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:09 (seven years ago) link
Can I just point out that the dorkiest, most insular nerd entries in the book – Stockhausen/Xenakis/Varese, La Monte Young, Negativland — were written by the dude who would become a probable millionaire writing a book on how to psychologically trick the most women into letting you blow loads in them
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:13 (seven years ago) link
dreams of fuckin a musique concrète bitch
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:15 (seven years ago) link
Strauss has continued to be involved with pickup artistry through his dating coaching company Stylelife Academy, founded in 2007. Most of the coaching is done by employed coaches, rather than Strauss himself, though he does make appearances at yearly conferences and in some video products sold by the company.[24]In 2012, Strauss released a board game/party game as a follow up to The Game and Rules of the Game called "Who's Got Game? The Game with Benefits."[25]On August 31, 2013, Strauss married the model Ingrid De La O, whom he met in 2010. Before the wedding, he held a funeral-themed bachelor's party, laying to rest his 'Style' persona.[26]In March 2015, Strauss had a child and shared it on his website,[27] along with information on his new book, The Truth: An Uncomfortable Book About Relationships, which was released on October 13, 2015. The Truth, a sequel to The Game, covers his struggles to build and maintain a relationship with Ingrid after his years of immersion in the seduction community.
In 2012, Strauss released a board game/party game as a follow up to The Game and Rules of the Game called "Who's Got Game? The Game with Benefits."[25]
On August 31, 2013, Strauss married the model Ingrid De La O, whom he met in 2010. Before the wedding, he held a funeral-themed bachelor's party, laying to rest his 'Style' persona.[26]
In March 2015, Strauss had a child and shared it on his website,[27] along with information on his new book, The Truth: An Uncomfortable Book About Relationships, which was released on October 13, 2015. The Truth, a sequel to The Game, covers his struggles to build and maintain a relationship with Ingrid after his years of immersion in the seduction community.
this is probably the saddest career and life arc i can imagine
― nomar, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:19 (seven years ago) link
years of immersion in the seduction community.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:19 (seven years ago) link
Ha, I don't know who that is but I don't think I ever knew that those composers were reviewed in this book. 3xp I guess I know who it was now. Huh.
― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:19 (seven years ago) link
Ever heard of a funeral before getting married? Well its and idea most man do think about burying the inner single-bad boy before tying the knot but “The Game” author 39-year-old Neil Strauss is actually holding a funeral to burry his freedom for his alter ego “Styles” before tying the knot to his model/girlfriend Ingrid de la O!
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:24 (seven years ago) link
― nomar, Tuesday, March 14, 2017 1:19 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the sad arc that ends with untold riches and marriage to a model
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:29 (seven years ago) link
Fleetwood Mac was a P4k era retcon, in 1995 they were the corny band the president liked and Hole didn't do their cover until 1996― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, March 14, 2017 1:00 PM (nineteen minutes ago)
Well...Pumpkins' cover of "Landslide" (which was the turning point for that song becoming a classic rock staple) was '94, but I misremembered the Hole cover. There was a Newsweek article iirc around 96 about Mac's rusing alt-cache
― jorts l0chinski (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:29 (seven years ago) link
*rising alt-cache
― jorts l0chinski (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:30 (seven years ago) link
The French term for a bachelor party is "enterrement de vie de garçon", burial of life as a boy.
― jmm, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:30 (seven years ago) link
idk i guess Neil probably is a father figure to guys with pepe avatars and the like.
― nomar, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:31 (seven years ago) link
Anyways, what qualified ABBA for inclusion in 1995, Miriel's Wedding ? xxxp
― jorts l0chinski (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:33 (seven years ago) link
ABBA Gold was a case of a new compilation turning a lot of next gen kids on to an old band, tbh.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:39 (seven years ago) link
no scholarly or descriptive howlers that i can recall (i'm p rusty on this stuff myself) in the stockhausen/xenakis section [filed under "electronic music/musique concrete] -- but the case made for it to be there is pedestrian-to-unconvincing (rappers use tape splicing kinda! sonic youth paid hommage to karlheinz w.the sleeve of a single! cardew prefigured punk rock! metal machine music!) and strauss makes no attempt to sift the good from the bad even on its own terms, let alone the book's
abba *very* feebly covered in rolling stone red (1980): two stars for everything except gtst hits, "a fixed cheeriness pervades" listen again ken tucker
― mark s, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:44 (seven years ago) link
Weisbard saw the intersection of dance music (and queer identity therein) and pop and novelty weirdness as essentially alternative (cf. his MTV Party to Go entry) and Abba was a precursor to that the same way that Kiss was to to the intersection of pop and metal and novelty weirdness (cf. grunge).
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:50 (seven years ago) link
Anyway, I think the intro essay and the tone of the pieces really make a good argument for every inclusion in the book. The only places it trips over its dick is trying to guess what '92-'95 hype bands were going to have longer legs. Good lookin out on PJ Harvey, Moby, Bjork and the Wu-Tang Clan. Bad lookin out on the Pooh Sticks, Freedy Johnston and Bettie Serveert
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:56 (seven years ago) link
And that is to say no one taxed to that job in any year would have bat 1.000 trying to do that
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:57 (seven years ago) link
The Pitchfork 500 ends with like The Go Team, Art Brut, Peter Bjorn and John and Johnny Boy(?)
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:59 (seven years ago) link
these 4,205 YouTube views a living testament to one of the 500 greatest songs of from punk to the present
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNTUAQ6F74k
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:00 (seven years ago) link
idk i feel like i hear YOUNG FOLKS more than i hear the damned beatles sometimes, i wish Peter Bjorn and John didn't have this kind of shelf life.
― nomar, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:01 (seven years ago) link
Speaking of forecasting big things: Belly's King got an 8 or 9 at the same time it got ravishing reviews in SPIN and that infamous RS cover.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:02 (seven years ago) link
http://gossipbrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Belly-Rolling-Stone.jpghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-HLxpWGCzc
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:04 (seven years ago) link
post-punk power pop!
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:07 (seven years ago) link
RS Style
Paul Reiser
― nomar, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:09 (seven years ago) link
The 90s were so good
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:09 (seven years ago) link
the '90s were a good decade to wear spangled outfits for magazine covers
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:11 (seven years ago) link
or nothing
https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2014-03/enhanced/webdr02/20/9/enhanced-buzz-3114-1395322343-15.jpg
― nomar, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:14 (seven years ago) link
Wow, Shannon Hoon looks about 15 in that pic.
― You're going to see a lot of love. Okay? Thank you. (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:20 (seven years ago) link
if we're posting 90s alt-rock RS covers, no one is gonna top this, so
http://stmedia.stimg.co/ctyp_6636228RS_Nov9_soulasylum_250.jpg?w=800
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:21 (seven years ago) link
remember when Live won artist of the year? neither did i.
https://images.wolfgangsvault.com/rolling-stone-issue-726/magazine/memorabilia/RS726-MZ.jpg
― nomar, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:26 (seven years ago) link
xp the band that really started the Fleetwood Mac revival with their White House performance of Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow.
― by the light of the burning Citroën, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:27 (seven years ago) link
does the Vaselines comp show up on any other list?
the vaselines comp belongs on pretty much all lists everywhere for all time.
― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:37 (seven years ago) link
and pretty much every alt-leaning friend's collection through 2002
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:38 (seven years ago) link
Munching popcorn, smiling
― Dogshit Critic (m coleman), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:55 (seven years ago) link
I still can't believe Mission of Burma wasn't on the list.
― mondogarage, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:57 (seven years ago) link
their albums scored high though.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:01 (seven years ago) link
The alternative tag always seemed sorta random, arbitrary. I agree that Sign of the Times is far and away the best music here. While I love lots of other albums here very few are from the 90s. Never crazy about the writing in Spin it always had this cool kids in school vibe to it. Hey maybe that makes me the original poptimist!
― Dogshit Critic (m coleman), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:09 (seven years ago) link
Dogshit Critic (m coleman)
haha
― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:13 (seven years ago) link
A MEMBER OF THE INFAMOUS DOGSHIT FOUR WEIGHS IN!!!!!!!
re: the light blue RS guide from 04, which FCC does not remember: while it is true that Scott S, some other ILXors and myself (I updated many of dogshit critics entries, like for post 92 records from Iggy, Nuge, Ozzy, as well as new shit for Shania Twain and Kylie) contributed to this edition, it is notable for how the editors let Rob Sheffield do far far too many entries.
― veronica moser, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:52 (seven years ago) link
But his Paula Abdul entry is essential.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:57 (seven years ago) link
Too many artists for Table of Contents, and my new replacement for dead 4-in-1 hasn't been delivered, so can't scan the index---let's see how this looks: ABBA (Barry Walters) ABC (Rob Sheffield) AC/DC (Natasha Stovall) Adam and the Ants (Sheffield) King Sunny Adé (Milo Miles) Adverts (Jonathan Bernstein) Afghan Whigs (Eric Weisbard) Alice In Chains (Gina Arnold) American Music Club (Weisbard) Tori Amos (Weisbard) Laurie Anderson (Ann Powers) Angry Samoans (Weisbard) Aphex Twin (also: AFX, Polygon Window)(Simon Reynolds) A.R. Kane (Reynolds) Arrested Development (Weisbard) Albert Ayler (K. Leander Williams) Aztec Camera (Johnny Huston)
― dow, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 20:22 (seven years ago) link
Aphex Twin (also: AFX, Polygon Window)
Good luck when you get to the Adrian Sherwood entry
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 20:38 (seven years ago) link
Pretty sure Siren is Christgau'd favorite Roxy Music album which may explain its presence here. I would've picked Avalon which is even more of an outlier.
― Dogshit Critic (m coleman), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 20:47 (seven years ago) link
Lmao xp
― jorts l0chinski (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 20:49 (seven years ago) link