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use of auto tune in classic rock and other genres where it can seem a bit off

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Fair bit of discussion on autotune on the top77 thread. I've read autotune is used on basically all new recordings regardless of genre because, not unlike the wah wah pedal, it "just makes everything sound better"

all the same, I think it can be a bit of a turn off - not because of lame rockism, just because sometimes the effect is not v subtle and can go against the general idea of a song

anyway, here's some examples, feel free to add and discuss

Patti Smith - Amerigo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAC6UZI2YjQ

it's weird cuz Patti is a punk rocker (and it couldn't have been her idea?) and also I just want to hear her great voice real clean

Beck - Say Goodbye
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG1CJDPcHCM

It's weird since this is an "audiophile" recording and Beck's voice is distorted bcz of the AT

Teenage Fanclub - I'm In Love
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--61b6pQm0Q

A recent example. I'll admit I'm not 100% sure this is autotune, may also just be some heavy chorus like effect, but the distortion is similar to autotune and wholly unnecessary since the harmonies make up for any small off-key singing and add the chorus effect in a way that, at least to TF fans is probably preferable.

niels, Thursday, 26 January 2017 19:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

I think some of that on the Beck tune is a Eventide Harmonizer, which newer ones can do pitch changing but have been a vocal chorusing thickening agent since the 80s.

earlnash, Thursday, 26 January 2017 19:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

that does make a lot more sense in context of the album, I'll try and adjust my ears accordingly

niels, Thursday, 26 January 2017 19:18 (eight months ago) Permalink

four months pass...

this thread did not take off :P

anyway, I'm still interested in the topic - how's about this gorgeous ballad, am I the only one to hear autotune on Matt's voice?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ipx8qWt2fVA

(plz note that I am in no way suggesting this is 'problematic' or smth, I just find it interesting)

niels, Monday, 19 June 2017 10:07 (four months ago) Permalink

this new Croz single is all AT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S77732a8XJ4

niels, Monday, 19 June 2017 10:12 (four months ago) Permalink

sounds better on
https://open.spotify.com/album/0cAsUGxS78JtXUTbbcSExu

niels, Monday, 19 June 2017 10:13 (four months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

again, I'm not at all averse to this effect being used in rock, all the same I find it weird that Ringo would drench his vox in it when it can be done subtly, maybe he likes the effect?
http://www.spin.com/2017/07/ringo-starr-give-more-love/

niels, Friday, 21 July 2017 08:33 (two months ago) Permalink

Allegedly it's used live by a lot of classic rock acts, Roger Waters is one - not that I have any intention of investigating any further.

weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Friday, 21 July 2017 09:04 (two months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4941nGHSqhk

sleepingbag, Friday, 21 July 2017 09:09 (two months ago) Permalink

haha that's a fun one

according to this article everybody's doing it:

There is much speculation online about who does — or doesn’t — use Auto-Tune. Taylor Swift is a key target, as her terribly off-key duet with Stevie Nicks at the 2010 Grammys suggests she’s tone deaf. (Label reps said at the time something was wrong with her earpiece.) But such speculation is naïve, say the producers I talked to. “Everybody uses it,” says Filip Nikolic, singer in the LA-based band, Poolside, and a freelance music producer and studio engineer. “It saves a ton of time.”

https://www.theverge.com/2013/2/27/3964406/seduced-by-perfect-pitch-how-auto-tune-conquered-pop-music

I'm not sure that's true (and probably that guy doesn't work with a lot of, say, indie or hardcore bands) but I'm curious to know more abt it

so anyways there's two types of auto-tune (which I use as a synonym for modern pitch correction), there's the one used as an aesthetic choice (Cher, T-Pain etc) and then there's the "natural effect", where you're not supposed to notice it's used, described nicely in the article:

Then Mike Auto-Tuned two versions of our Boys II Men song: one with Cher / T-Pain style glitchy Auto-Tune, the other with “natural” sounding Auto-Tune. The exaggerated one was hilariously awesome – it sounded just like a generic R&B song.

But the second one shocked me. It sounded like us, for sure. But an idealized version of us. My husband’s gritty vocal attack was still there, but he was singing on key. And something about fine-tuning my vocals had made them sound more confident, like smoothing out a tremble in one’s speech.

and I think it's the "natural" auto-tune that really interests me, especially when it's (accidentally?) overdone, and so that's actually perhaps what I'm looking for with this thread: examples where you notice the use of auto-tune, when you're not supposed to notice it

with Crosby and Ringo, I'm thinking perhaps their core audience are not familiar with autotune, so they won't hear the pitch correction

niels, Friday, 21 July 2017 09:47 (two months ago) Permalink

here's an interesting quote from http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6266467/melissa-etheridge-op-ed-speaks-out-against-auto-tune

My favorite moment was watching Rocc move alongside the engineer so he could take a look at the computer screen. "Hey, where's the Auto-Tune?" he asked.

"I'd never presume to put Auto-Tune on her voice," the engineer replied.

"She's singing like that without Auto-Tune?" was Rocc Starr’s stunned response. That made my day.

while Etheridge uses this anecdote in an argument against auto-tune, what's interesting to me is that, presumably, the producer would not be able to tell if auto-tune was used or not as long as the singer was on key

niels, Friday, 21 July 2017 09:54 (two months ago) Permalink


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