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ok let's start with the excellent sinai vessel record which comes out at the end of january

https://sinaivessel.bandcamp.com/album/brokenlegged

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Sunday, 1 January 2017 22:42 (ten months ago) Permalink

Really digging the Old Gray album that came out last month. Maybe too screamy for this thread?

husked, tonal wails (irrational), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 15:42 (ten months ago) Permalink

xp

That's lovely! Very full-sounding with the strings. Look forward to the full release.

Not wanting to delve into the past too much here, but I missed this TBS-styled EP of cute, energetic anthems last year and really think it's worth many listens:

https://charmermusic.bandcamp.com/album/whateverville

dance band (tangenttangent), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 15:48 (ten months ago) Permalink

Oh man, thanks for the Old Gray rec, it scratches an old-timey itch for me.

I want to change my display name (dan m), Friday, 13 January 2017 18:24 (ten months ago) Permalink

omfg YES

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 20 January 2017 20:31 (ten months ago) Permalink

Oh hey there's a new sorority noise single

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 20 January 2017 20:43 (ten months ago) Permalink

Dashboard covering Julien Baker is the most passing of the emo torch thing ever

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 20 January 2017 20:49 (ten months ago) Permalink

sorority noise remain as ever kinda eh whatever diet emo to me but there's more animation in the new single than i've heard from them before

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 20 January 2017 21:05 (ten months ago) Permalink

https://priests.bandcamp.com/album/nothing-feels-natural

I dig these three tracks, album is out on Friday.

Dinsdale, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 22:18 (ten months ago) Permalink

broken record about the sinai vessel album but it's out now and "laughlin" is an incredible song

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 27 January 2017 17:20 (nine months ago) Permalink

the Allison Crutchfield record also out today is v enjoyable

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 27 January 2017 20:22 (nine months ago) Permalink

last track on the sinai vessel record is weirdly terrible though. would've made a great ep, oh well

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 27 January 2017 20:25 (nine months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVjxrcEjx7E

oh my god this oliver houston album just knocked me on my ass

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 15:16 (nine months ago) Permalink

like the look mexico record from last year it gets the mathy emo/actually good songs ratio just right

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 15:20 (nine months ago) Permalink

does "good dog" definitely include an interpolation of fleetwood mac's "everywhere" or no?

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 15:39 (nine months ago) Permalink

until there's a rolling indie rock thread, i think this goes here:

https://osoosoband.bandcamp.com/album/the-yunahon-mixtape

it is good.

alpine static, Thursday, 2 February 2017 19:45 (nine months ago) Permalink

emo is the new indie rock

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 2 February 2017 19:45 (nine months ago) Permalink

new menzingers!

Mordy, Saturday, 4 February 2017 16:19 (nine months ago) Permalink

my first listen was...not very promising for the most part, esp distressing as I thought Rented World was a significant step up

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 4 February 2017 16:42 (nine months ago) Permalink

oh - i like it so far! i mean it's not super innovative but that was never really their strength. it's just v listenable crunchy power pop punk (some songs remind me of infinity on high fall out boy and 21st century breakdown green day)

Mordy, Saturday, 4 February 2017 16:52 (nine months ago) Permalink

I'm seeing Priests + Snail Mail tonight and listening to Snail Mail's Habit EP for the first time. It's much more emo than I was expecting, in the best way possible.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 13:20 (nine months ago) Permalink

the menzingers suck imo and always have

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 14:36 (nine months ago) Permalink

i assume any and all esteem for them is generated from how good they are live but they are a dead ass dull pop punk band on record

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 14:38 (nine months ago) Permalink

might be more appropriate on a j-pop thread, but I like this from the Your Name ost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDSkFeMVNFs

devvvine, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 14:59 (nine months ago) Permalink

ok Snail Mail were so fucking good live, I hope they capture that energy on record soon

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 05:33 (nine months ago) Permalink

really enjoying this band can't swim. the chorus on "we won't sleep" is a little awkward but everything around it is like super cheesy, hooky emo perfectly calibrated to my tastes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs7CWDUtuws

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 15:14 (nine months ago) Permalink

(their album comes out in march)

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 15:14 (nine months ago) Permalink

love it. i'm so easily manipulatable by emo songs. that moment at 2:00 (and in almost every emo song ever) when the instrumental cuts out and then comes roaring back in is super effective for me no matter how many times i hear it. thursday obv the master of this particular trick. when i saw them w/ my brother at starland he was so impressed at how rickley goes from 0 to 10 in 0 seconds. now they're doing a full tour and i'm thinking about seeing them AGAIN and fillmore philly...

Mordy, Friday, 10 February 2017 15:33 (nine months ago) Permalink

i still really want to do that emo/pop-punk poll i signed up for years ago on the poll thread. i was also thinking a POX FOB thread would be fun. i've been listening to so much /classic/ emo recently - FOB when i drive, Brand New all the time, Dashboard at work. still loving that new dashboard covers EP.

Mordy, Friday, 10 February 2017 15:35 (nine months ago) Permalink

I would be so down for that even though I seem to only be able to get into maybe 50% of the "classic" emo bands for one reason (musical or extramusical) or another

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 15:37 (nine months ago) Permalink

definitely do the emo poll mordy

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 15:40 (nine months ago) Permalink

im down and ready for this poll

Spottie, Friday, 10 February 2017 16:10 (nine months ago) Permalink

once i get the go ahead from the master poll thread i'll start it up and link to it here

Mordy, Friday, 10 February 2017 16:15 (nine months ago) Permalink

It's weird that I just noticed The Meadowlands came up in another thread cause I was about to ask if it should be eligible for this

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 16:43 (nine months ago) Permalink

in a way it feels like cheating cause it's so acclaimed and no one (that I can recall) called it emo at the time? but also it feels like it set the course for how emo bands tend to evolve as they stick around and grow up so idk

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 16:45 (nine months ago) Permalink

i plan to have a v expansive definition

Mordy, Friday, 10 February 2017 16:46 (nine months ago) Permalink

^^ into it even though i'll complain during the results

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 16:50 (nine months ago) Permalink

Was taken aback by how emo Meadowlands is when i finally heard it a few years ago, for some reason always assumed they sounded like The National. Was p4k particularly averse to stuff calling itself emo in 2003?

devvvine, Friday, 10 February 2017 16:52 (nine months ago) Permalink

the wrens have a little bit of emo in them anyway imo (the most obvious thing being the emphasis on dual vocals), see this og version of "boys you won't" from an old drive-thru records comp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu0XdDY3zfc

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who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 16:52 (nine months ago) Permalink

Was p4k particularly averse to stuff calling itself emo in 2003?

Only stuff they liked.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 16:53 (nine months ago) Permalink

TBF i lean against meadowlands being available to vote for, idk i dont want it to win idk idk

Spottie, Friday, 10 February 2017 16:57 (nine months ago) Permalink

true story: i would've probably been a huge emo fan in high school but i took the pfork pan of stay what you are to heart

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 16:58 (nine months ago) Permalink

that review apparently no longer exists on the website but this tragedy still does: http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/8054-full-collapse/

Mordy, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:01 (nine months ago) Permalink

also: http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/4261-bleed-american/

devvvine, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:04 (nine months ago) Permalink

the deja entendu review is also still there. the weird thing with that is i read that review at the time and thought "oh yeah, this record sounds like some bullshit" but mtv2 played "sic transit gloria" CONSTANTLY and i was like, "this song fucking rules, i'm buying the album who gives a shit"

and now i make rolling emo threads on ilx

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 17:04 (nine months ago) Permalink

so glad i didnt care about music reviews until like 2008

Spottie, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:05 (nine months ago) Permalink

well pitchfork anyway. read the source pretty religiously for a long time

Spottie, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:06 (nine months ago) Permalink

im pumped 4 this poll. Are you gonna do albums and tracks?

Spottie, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:06 (nine months ago) Permalink

legit lol-ed at the Sharon Van Etten in-joke Oliver Houston end that record with. Sounds like they've got quite a few of those geeky allusions scattered throughout the record but that one especially has gotta confound the shit out of anybody who doesn't get the reference.

Evan R, Monday, 16 October 2017 14:52 (one month ago) Permalink

https://daily.bandcamp.com/2017/10/16/emos-greatest-second-acts/

With the news (to me) that Jeremy Enigk is releasing a new album this month.

ArchCarrier, Monday, 16 October 2017 18:38 (one month ago) Permalink

fuck the Partner album is so addictive, more power-pop than emo but so fun. and funny! I wish more albums were funny!

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 15:36 (one month ago) Permalink

jeremy enigk is releasing a new album this month?!?!?!?!??!?!? aaa!!!!!!

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 15:40 (one month ago) Permalink

wait it came out last week?!?!?!!

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 15:41 (one month ago) Permalink

brb

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 15:41 (one month ago) Permalink

i always get overwhelmed by how beautiful his albums are. production is usually perfect too

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 16:30 (one month ago) Permalink

That oliver Houston album is great. Loving the new Front Bottoms, Iron Chic and Worriers records.

husked, tonal wails (irrational), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:14 (one month ago) Permalink

man how did jeremy enigk release his best ever solo album in 2017

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 19 October 2017 00:20 (one month ago) Permalink

it's so beautiful

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 19 October 2017 00:30 (one month ago) Permalink

the racquet club record has been playing over and over in my head for the past month

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 16:16 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I admit the Turnover record wasn't doing much for me but ahead of seeing them on tuesday (w/ Emma Ruth Rundle and Elvis Depressedly supporting, which feels like a dream lineup contrived just for me) I have been giving it another shot and it sounds so lush and good

Simon H., Monday, 6 November 2017 15:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink

man how did jeremy enigk release his best ever solo album in 2017

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it's so beautiful

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just finished the first song and it was perfection.

Spottie, Monday, 6 November 2017 19:07 (two weeks ago) Permalink

that album is in my top five this year, he killed it

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 6 November 2017 19:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink

about halfway through its very pretty. think its gonna stick for me too

Spottie, Monday, 6 November 2017 19:42 (two weeks ago) Permalink

a very emo story...
news editor of consequence of sound has been catfishing women for years using the photos of Topshelf Records owner

.@toomuchfuzz (Michelle Geslani) has been using my identity and likeness to catfish women online since at least 2011. a statement: pic.twitter.com/N4qik8Dvwj

— LiLdRuMmErBoY85 (@kevinduquette) November 2, 2017

My statement regarding yesterday's allegations @kevinduquette pic.twitter.com/jYf0rtPDVW

— mich e//e (@toomuchfuzz) November 3, 2017

Frozen CD, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 21:46 (two weeks ago) Permalink

wow @ pulling the "coming out" apology pivot post-spacey

Simon H., Tuesday, 7 November 2017 23:35 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Pianos Become the Teeth sound like an emo band again and I'm not sure how to feel about that yet

https://open.spotify.com/track/5kEHz2d1bafXdAem3PfIya

Simon H., Friday, 10 November 2017 14:44 (two weeks ago) Permalink

oh what's up rolling emo thread. i like the new dashboard song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SANXNco_y4

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 17 November 2017 13:48 (one week ago) Permalink

yesssss

Spottie, Friday, 17 November 2017 19:48 (one week ago) Permalink

This seems a key read

https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/unraveling-the-sexism-of-emos-third-wave/

Ned Raggett, Friday, 17 November 2017 20:06 (one week ago) Permalink

there's probably an instance in the brand new thread of me... not exactly defending "me vs. maradona" but thinking it was more self-aware and self-loathing than, say, any song from your favorite weapon, and ofc that makes me feel sick now

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 17 November 2017 20:43 (one week ago) Permalink

Where did we lose the plot? When I think about the decades that immediately preceded third-wave emo—about D.C. punk, riot grrrl, Kurt Cobain proclaiming women the future of rock—I’m astonished that it happened at all.

what jenn gets at here is something i've thought about a lot. i mean, nothing moves in a straight line; things fluctuate and loop around themselves. but still, as a genre emo started out as a somewhat gendered response to hardcore (i mean it was still a boy's club but it was a boy's club that seemed to long to subvert or reject masculinity) that over the course of 15 years rerouted itself into outright misogyny. (of course this description kinda flattens how many different things emo became just within the '90s)

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 17 November 2017 20:50 (one week ago) Permalink

I think it came from how early emo was about really laying your insides bare, putting your emotional baggage right out there. This idea gave gross dudes what they saw as license to just spit out all their misogynistic baggage out there because that's what they were feeling without the smallish scene politics to keep their shit in check. (I mean early emo wasn't all wine and roses either but there's definitely a change when mainstream emo hit larger audiences.)

husked, tonal wails (irrational), Friday, 17 November 2017 21:07 (one week ago) Permalink

^^ yeah that's basically the conclusion i've come to myself

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 17 November 2017 21:18 (one week ago) Permalink

Baring your soul can lead to some terrifying shit if your soul is filled with garbage.

husked, tonal wails (irrational), Friday, 17 November 2017 21:22 (one week ago) Permalink

tbh I don't really think there's anything wrong with that "Sugar We're Going Down" line (though there's plenty of other ugly or gross Wentz lyrics esp from that era)

Simon H., Saturday, 18 November 2017 03:04 (six days ago) Permalink

agreed and agreed. i was just thinking of the distance in perspective just between from under the cork tree and infinity on high

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 18 November 2017 04:55 (six days ago) Permalink

wait actually, sorry, i’m drunk, which “sugar we’re going down” lyric are we referring to

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 18 November 2017 05:08 (six days ago) Permalink

the "notch in your bedbost / line in a song" one

anyway, that new Camp Cope song is massive

Simon H., Saturday, 18 November 2017 15:20 (six days ago) Permalink

yes that line is great

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 18 November 2017 15:48 (six days ago) Permalink

i'm super loving Young Jesus

flopson, Monday, 20 November 2017 23:32 (four days ago) Permalink

That Pinegrove statement is insanely vague but still troubling.

husked, tonal wails (irrational), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 16:13 (three days ago) Permalink

I might be erring on the side of optimism here but it reads like a cautious reaction/reflection as opposed to damage control (this is of course subject to change as facts emerge)

Simon H., Tuesday, 21 November 2017 16:27 (three days ago) Permalink

I suspect it's quite bad. The statement twists itself into knots trying to avoid saying what he did, which completely negates the apology and makes me suspect the worst.

Evan R, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 16:32 (three days ago) Permalink

It's so easy to nitpick these apologies, because they're inherently self-serving, but this one particularly left a foul taste in my mouth. He avoids saying "I did it," or even mentioning what "it" is. And he plays the "I'm trying to respect the privacy of the victim" card, which would be thoughtful if not for the two long paragraphs of superfluous identifying details about her, which do nothing except to justify how he might have "monumentally misread" the situation. Gross.

Evan R, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 16:36 (three days ago) Permalink

it's an extremely confusing statement

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 16:42 (three days ago) Permalink

It's confusing by design, I think. I've seen quite a few people on Twitter who think he's apologizing for sleeping with consenting fans on the road and don't understand what the big deal is. That part of the apology is conversational catnip, but it's also beyond the scope of what he's been accused of and is apologizing for. It just blurs things and changes the conversation.

Evan R, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 16:46 (three days ago) Permalink

I'm inclined to agree with you Evan. It's either one of two things, what simon said, that it's just an overly cautious attempt to get ahead of the game of something possibly small, or it's intentionally obfuscating something much bigger. I feel like the latter comes across as more likely given how vague the apology is.

husked, tonal wails (irrational), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 17:07 (three days ago) Permalink

unfortunately from what i've heard (which is... just whispers at the moment, so i'm not in a position to clarify beyond this extremely vague post, but hopefully it can kinda... prepare people for what's going to happen next) this isn't good

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 21:08 (three days ago) Permalink

fucking hell

Simon H., Tuesday, 21 November 2017 21:12 (three days ago) Permalink

Nobody's perfect and most publications are trying to cover this stuff sensitively, but I suspect music media is going to have to have a conversation with itself about how it's covered this story. Letting an abuser define the narrative is bad precedent—it makes the story not about the abuse, but about the abuser's soul-searching journey— and I suspect the widespread adoption of his "sexual coercion" terminology is going to look very embarrassing soon.

It's a tricky story to report, especially with what's on the record right now, but it's not the press's job to do P.R. for an abuser.

Evan R, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 21:54 (three days ago) Permalink

eh in this case i don’t think the press had much choice

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 22:22 (three days ago) Permalink

I mean, this headline has been chilling on the front page of Pitchfork all afternoon: Pinegrove Cancel Tour After Accusation of Sexual Coercion Against Frontman Evan Stephens Hall

doesn't look great for him either way

voodoo chili, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 22:30 (three days ago) Permalink

if i said "i just hope this doesn't bury the next Pinegrove album forever" is that "haha funny/true" or HEY MAN NOT FUNNY! in this delicate time on the internet

alpine static, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 22:32 (three days ago) Permalink

imo you should keep that shit to yourself

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 22:36 (three days ago) Permalink

xxp Lots of headlines frame the story around his apology, letting him get ahead of the narrative. EW's, for instance: "Pinegrove cancels tour after 'sexual coercion' accusation: 'I am so sorry,' singer says"

And this A.V. Club report is... just about as bad as it could be. This lead gushes with appreciation about him coming clean "as soon as they were brought to his attention," and frames the narrative around him coming to terms with what he did:

As more and more people get called out for inappropriate abusive behavior in their past, Pinegrove frontman Evan Stephens Hall has decided to issue a response to allegations of misconduct against him as soon as they were brought to his attention rather than wait until the backlash had begun to swell. In a post on the band’s Facebook page, Hall said that he has been accused of sexual coercion, saying that he now realizes he abused his power as a member of the band by partaking in “flirtatious” and “intimate” encounters with fans. “I’ve reached the conclusion now that that’s not ever appropriate,” Hall writes, “even if they initiate it. There will always be an unfair power dynamic at play in these situations and it’s not ok for me to ignore that.”

I get that these are weird circumstances, but we gotta do better than that.

Evan R, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 22:38 (three days ago) Permalink

evan literally the only information available is the apology

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 22:41 (three days ago) Permalink

the av club report sucks, agreed

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 22:42 (three days ago) Permalink

xxp fair enough, thx

alpine static, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 22:45 (three days ago) Permalink


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