scott's occasional swinging old jazz thread (moldy figs to 1980)

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Curtis Fuller: We have a story to tell. This is our story. Nobody’s copping the
Japanese music, nobody’s copping the Chinese music, nobody’s playing the Ton
Ton’s. We did do it in front of Cherokee years ago. (Imitates sounds of the drums).
We brought this to the table, it’s intertwined with European culture, you know? We
didn’t have the scales, the chords, or the wherewithal to make this take shape to be
enjoyed by all. You’re getting with rhythm and a few things, but even that now…As a
result of this being in America, we can shape all these sounds and chords and
things. It took all of us to do this; I don’t care what color you are. That’s what jazz is,
it’s just like a chord, it all depends on what you got in it. It’s like Bitches Brew, or
Grandma’s Stew, it depends on what you put in it. As Victor Lindlahr says, “You are
what you eat.” You eat shit? That’s what you become. That’s where I think we are
headed. We eat better, we’ll play better, we’ll think better, we’ll sleep better, we’ll
learn to—The guy says, “Can’t we all get along?” Yes we can. When the day comes,
we’ll have to. We have to! We are at that gig right now. We have to get along, or else
it will be like Rome, we’ll crumble from within. That was the greatest country at one
time. The British Empire, great! They over extended themselves; they were all down
in Australia or wherever else. It took four weeks to go to the little island, the
Falkland Islands, to fight a handful of people there in Argentina. Give me a break!
You don’t have to worry about this! There’s nothing there but seagulls. C’mon guys!
You can do better than that. (Laughs) But, this is where we are. So, why don’t we
take this and market this great art form that the Creator has given us? We’re
blessed. We are truly blessed, where we live, the location logistically on the map.
Even the Germans tried, they came right up to our shores. People didn’t even know
it, we sunk more ships right out there. We didn’t know what was happening. They’re
still finding bombs out there in San Diego and out there in places. The Japanese put
on balloons and flew there. Every once and a while, a kid will go out to play
somewhere and go and detonate one of those son of a bitches. We will survive. We
have to. It’s our nature that we can survive all those dinosaurs and pig foot, and big
foot, and all those people. We’ll be all right. The reason I know, you know Grady

scott seward, Thursday, 15 December 2016 20:29 (five years ago) link

album of the week: Billy Harper - Soran-Bushi, B.H. - Denon - 1978

(can't get over how good this album is. not impossible to find on vinyl though it only came out in Japan. the only CD of it came out in Japan in 1982(!!!). i'll bet you didn't even know that there were CDs in 1982. well, there were. if you see it somewhere, grab it!)

scott seward, Thursday, 15 December 2016 20:43 (five years ago) link

I had no idea that Bernie Hamilton was Chico Hamilton's brother. Captain Dobey! And I had no idea that Bernie Hamilton had a record label called Chocolate Snowman.

scott seward, Thursday, 15 December 2016 22:35 (five years ago) link

Chocolate Snowman!

anyone else checked out the Savory Recordings that have started to come out digitally? INCREDIBLE. Coleman Hawkins stuff on Vol. 1 is out of this world.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:52 (five years ago) link

does sound great!

don't wish to seem ungrateful, but am a tiny bit annoyed that It's not in stores or on Amazon — it's only available as an iTunes exclusive.

look forward to hearing it all the same

niels, Friday, 16 December 2016 08:18 (five years ago) link

we can only hope that jack white makes a suitcase with a FLAC stick in it of all that stuff.

but anyway yeah it's cool that that stuff exists. but it has always amazed me how much stuff already exists between private recordings/V Discs/radio broadcasts/european recordings/etc.

scott seward, Friday, 16 December 2016 12:49 (five years ago) link

someone should make bootleg CDs out of the iTunes stuff. i'd buy some.

scott seward, Friday, 16 December 2016 12:50 (five years ago) link

anyone else checked out the Savory Recordings that have started to come out digitally? INCREDIBLE. Coleman Hawkins stuff on Vol. 1 is out of this world.

― tylerw

i posted about it on the rolling jazz thread but only got radio silence... and yeah, _anything_ "exclusive" is a crock.

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 16 December 2016 13:01 (five years ago) link

love this interview. a year before he died. paul desmond asking a lot of questions. bird liked paul a lot. bird liked brubeck and kenton and tristano and lots of egghead stuff. paul desmond really relieved to find out how much bird used to practice. 11 to 15 hours a day when he was younger! just in case anyone thinks being a genius is easy. and then at the end to hear bird talk about how excited he is to go to paris and study with edgar varese and go to, he was just getting started. he changed the world, but he was just getting started.

scott seward, Friday, 16 December 2016 13:43 (five years ago) link

listening to the double-disc set of earl hines doing ellington. recorded in the early 70's at various sessions. i don't know if its common knowledge how off the hook earl hines was in the early 70's. but he really was. just endlessly inventive. can't think of TOO many people who helped invent jazz in the 20's who made records that were as good as the ones he made during the watergate era. you can find them for a buck or two at used stores.

scott seward, Friday, 16 December 2016 20:48 (five years ago) link

yeah, latter day Hines is really nice. there are some 70s Teddy Wilson LPs that are pretty pleasing too.
this is from the 50s I believe, but it is just gorgeous

I think (hope?) that the Savory stuff will get a proper physical release at some point?

tylerw, Friday, 16 December 2016 20:52 (five years ago) link

Just got a disc of previously unreleased live stuff by the Three Sounds, Groovin' Hard: Live at the Penthouse 1964-1968. I feel like nobody remembers them now, but they were a really good soul-jazz/hard bop piano trio who made a bunch of albums in the 50s and 60s. Occasionally, they'd back someone up; LD + 3 is them with Lou Donaldson, Blue Hour is them with Stanley Turrentine.

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Friday, 16 December 2016 21:15 (five years ago) link

well, people do remember them because they made about a zillion records on blue note. but its true they aren't exactly in fashion. the records are very enjoyable though. i like Hey There, and the one with Anita O'Day and some other ones. there are so many. a la ramsey lewis.

i've been listening to my Quartette Tres Bien records lately. does anyone remember them? a bunch of their stuff has never made it to CD for whatever reason.

scott seward, Friday, 16 December 2016 21:23 (five years ago) link

i just looked. 9 albums on decca in the 60's and none on CD. must be some legal thing i don't know about. they are very cool records.

scott seward, Friday, 16 December 2016 21:26 (five years ago) link

what i really love though are the 70's records that Gene Harris of the Three Sounds made. loooooove that stuff. all on blue note too. astralsignal and nexus are big favorites of mine. and cheap too as far as awesome funky 70's stuff goes. i would recommend all of the solo ones.

scott seward, Friday, 16 December 2016 21:41 (five years ago) link

think the only one of those 70s gene harris LPs I've heard is the live one with a creedence cover ... which is a pretty good time.

tylerw, Friday, 16 December 2016 21:55 (five years ago) link

Nexus is my fave. they are just a lot of fun.

scott seward, Friday, 16 December 2016 21:59 (five years ago) link

scott seward, Saturday, 17 December 2016 21:37 (five years ago) link

Brad C., Sunday, 18 December 2016 02:22 (five years ago) link

Phil Woods:

"At 15 I said “Whoa, this is great."
And we went for a lesson one time at Mr. Tristano’s house and he said, “Are you kids going down to 52nd
street tonight?” And we said “yeah, why do you ask?” And he said, “Well, I’m opening for Charlie
Parker and I thought maybe you’d like to meet him.” And you know, to myself I said “Yeah, I’ve always
wanted to meet God,” you know. And sure enough, this time we held back on the records, we held back
on the pasta so we’d have two dollars, we could buy two coca-colas and really relish the evening, you
know. And Tristano’s trio opened up the evening’s festivities, and uh I think it was Arnold Fishkin who
was a bass player who, because Lennie was blind, somebody had to come and get us. Arnold came and
got us and took us behind the curtain. I mean 52nd street they were just speakeasies. They were just like narrow little cellars, uh there was no backstage, no dressing rooms or nothing like that. And we came
around the back of the st…the back of the bandstand which was just a little, and there was Bird sitting on
the floor, the great Charlie Parker, the man who was changing the planet, and he had a, a big cherry pie,
and he said “Hi, kids! Would you like a piece of cherry pie?” And I said, “Oh, Mr. Parker, cherry’s my
favorite flavor.” And it is! But I didn’t know what else to say! And he said, “Well you sit down
here, boy, and I’ll cut you a big slice” and he took out his switch blade bing boom bang, you know, and
handed me a big piece of cherry pie. And I said, “Oh my God, I’m in heaven.” I mean he was so kind, I
never forgot that."

scott seward, Sunday, 18 December 2016 22:33 (five years ago) link

fucking, amazing.

though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 18 December 2016 23:30 (five years ago) link

Arrgghh, you kids and your bebop, boobop---check this (if it don't show, a page of stuff by Mezzrow & Sidney Bechet & Friends: "Sendin The Viper" and whatnot)

very much to the point!

dow, Monday, 19 December 2016 00:36 (five years ago) link

four years pass...

Not sure if this is the proper place to share this; was looking for a "random old _____ you are loving" jazz equivalent. But anyway, here's an album by the band Ululation from 1987:

It's kind of in a larger ensemble sort of style. Maybe a bit reminiscent of Sun Ra's swing revival period. Discogs info.

things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Wednesday, 2 June 2021 17:04 (seven months ago) link

seven months pass...

any love for the philly quartet CATALYST?

"ain't it the truth" (1972)

that was their "hit"; a kind of ramsey lewis-esque soul jazz instrumental. funky as they come and always a mixtape favorite for me. the rest of their stuff was a lot more wild, but always retaining some semblance of a groove. kind of reminiscent of mwandishi/crossings era herbie hancock. all four of their albums are really good and recommended if you've never heard them.

get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Saturday, 15 January 2022 00:56 (five days ago) link

in a similar vein, i've always really dug the two sessions buster williams led on muse in the mid 70s (pinnacle + crystal reflections) for many of the same reasons as catalyst. it's kind of weird and skronky in spots, but never full on insanity. and always funky enough to remain fairly accessible. they'd be right at home on strata east or black jazz.

here's "the hump" (1975):

get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Saturday, 15 January 2022 02:28 (five days ago) link

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