Stratocaster vs. Telecaster

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choose one, and defend your position. you may choose from the perspective of a musician, or a music fan, or whatever else. just choose!

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Tele 50
Strat 30


rip van wanko, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 15:21 (four years ago) link

Tele, despite being less versatile in terms of tone and more boxy and awkwardly shaped from a comfort standpoint. I also kinda have a thing against single cutaways! Am I just in denial? All I know is I'm probably never going to buy a Strat but I could easily imagine picking up a second Tele or ASAT at some point.

how's life, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 15:32 (four years ago) link

this is kinda like being forced to choose which of your two beloved kittens you will feed into a woodchipper tbh

nonetheless voted telecaster for its iconic, utilitarian design and the sound of that bridge pickup through a hot amp is one of the foundation stones of popular music

i could probably just as easily have voted strat for its sleek design which still looks kinda futuristic even today and those uniquely 'glassy' tones. i'll probably want to change my vote tomorrow.

yokohama fuckdolphin (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 15:44 (four years ago) link

Have no idea what the difference in sound is, tbh.

Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 15:48 (four years ago) link

they're both pretty boring. voted tele because it's slightly less boring.

na (NA), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 15:51 (four years ago) link

they're no bc rich, true

yokohama fuckdolphin (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 15:56 (four years ago) link

tele because it has more of an identity. Strats are perfectly fine guitars and have been used very well by many, but only a few guitarists really make them stand out as anything other than versatile, workhorse guitars.

honestly the two things that immediately come to mind when I think Strat are Hendrix (which is good) and that awful SRV tone.

hendrix, dave gilmour, mark knopfler and yngwie malmsteen are the ones which spring to mind for me, probably due to the lasting taint of teenage overexposure to guitar magazines and features on players i didn't give a fuck about

yokohama fuckdolphin (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:14 (four years ago) link

david byrne for me for some reason

na (NA), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:23 (four years ago) link

Buddy Holly
John Frusciante

how's life, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:25 (four years ago) link

Strat definitely. I prefer its versatility.

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:27 (four years ago) link

Cadillac vs. Mustang.

I have a Tele reissue with a humbucker at the neck and some of the body molding of a Strat. Apparently Andy Summers made a similar mod to his Tele.

dinnerboat, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:30 (four years ago) link

my tele is a relatively recent usa one with a belly contour and it makes me feel like it's okay to be a fat fuck

thanks fender for validating my poor diet choices

yokohama fuckdolphin (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:48 (four years ago) link

david byrne for me for some reason

oh yeah, for sure - stop making sense is a great showcase for strats

yokohama fuckdolphin (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:49 (four years ago) link

Tele, for the twang especially but also for rhythm (and obviously awesome Prince, Page, et al. lead). Unless you want/need that specific Strat quack.

(Another poll could be which neck pickup is less useful. Prolly the Tele's, though Nile Rodgers is the only Strat player I can think of who really hangs out on the neck pickup all the time.)

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 17:22 (four years ago) link

My go-to tele sound is the middle position. The twang is not really my thing and the neck is too dark. lol, I have all these negative opinions about teles and still prefer them to strats.

how's life, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 17:27 (four years ago) link

oh my god, Strat without question. In addition to being extremely versatile, it allows the player's personality to come through more vividly than any other guitar. the Tele is too limited in comparison- sure, it has twang, but you can get the same tone out of a Strat with the neck/middle pickup switch. Everything that a Tele can do, a Strat can do better: rhythm, lead, texture, etc. Strats also looker cooler and have a better shape. Prince is the only person to ever shred a Tele and make it look as cool as a Strat.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 17:34 (four years ago) link

bridge pickup on the Strat: the best rhythm tone ever
neck pickup: the best lead tone ever

flappy bird, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 17:36 (four years ago) link

When I started thinking about guitars and wanted to buy one, Teles were so simple and caveman like and didn't have that cheap looking plastic trem spring cover on the back and people like Joe Strummer and Prince and Buck Owens played them while Strats were played by Eric Clapton and Stevie Ray Vaughn and Yngwie Malmsteen and those guys all sucked.

I honestly don't think I've ever actually played a stratocaster other than maybe picking one up once in a while in a guitar store, never through an amp for sure. I don't really hate them (and I do dig the 70s ones with the giant headstocks) but they (and Les Pauls) seem so standard and generic that I'm never really drawn to them like I am to SGs and Jazzmasters and Teles - which are obviously not obscure at all, just not THE standard guitar.

A lot of my bias is aesthetic too because I'm a shitty guitar player but love design and sculpture.

joygoat, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 17:39 (four years ago) link

in the end probably a tele

i've never played a strat that felt right just as is. it required some modifying but by the end i wasn't convinced

a tele on the other hand felt right, love the tone, and with minor mods, it sounds beautiful. recording it is a joy and i don't mind the design/shape

having said that, i'm not a tele/strat guy

i love the dark overtones of gibson les pauls or more mid-range/mellow tones of a jazzmaster, but they are annoying to record

F♯ A♯ (∞), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 17:44 (four years ago) link

tele because it has more of an identity.

^^^ Danny Gatton, Albert Lee, Pete Anderson, Bill Kirchen, some of my most favorite guitar players are in that chicken-pickin' Tele mode.

Their all losers and I like associating with loser (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 17:46 (four years ago) link

Prince is the only person to ever shred a Tele and make it look as cool as a Strat.

Not even getting into country guys (from James Burton to Brad Paisley), Jimmy Page, Jeff Beck, Bruce Springsteen, Jonny Greenwood, Mike Campbell, Robbie Robertson, James Honeyman-Scott, etc. And in terms of looking cool and not shredding, Andy Summers, Wilko Johnson, Joe Strummer, Syd Barrett, Keith Richards, etc. Obviously not all of these dudes are identified exclusively as Tele players, but impressively, many are! Strats are cool, too, but from dudes playing electric blooze to heavily compressed '80s cheese, few seem to make the most of them. But of course, who else do you need beyond Hendrix on the Strat front?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 17:47 (four years ago) link

Voted Tele. I don't really like the sound of either guitar but I like what Chris Spencer from Unsane can do with a Tele.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqF1nyjCU8M

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 17:51 (four years ago) link

Page shredding on a Les Paul >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Page shredding on a Tele

it's just not the same. with the exception of Prince, it always looks like their main guitar got busted or stolen and they're borrowing some opening band's guitar. it just looks WACK

flappy bird, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:08 (four years ago) link

I am not an accomplished guitarist but c'mom, Telecaster cus I AM A GROWN UP. For a pre-teen nephew/niece, yeah I might recommend a Strat. I have the mexican Tele cos I never had much money, but I haven't picked up a Strat since I was like 12? I had no idea this was even a debate...

Jonathan Hellion Mumble, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:09 (four years ago) link

2:15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzBVvD1vUvM

flappy bird, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:10 (four years ago) link

Strats are incredibly hard to play well, ime, the action is so sensitive.

Teles are much more versatile from a style point of view

oh wait this is on ILM... umm strats i guess.

brimstead, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:10 (four years ago) link

because jimi

brimstead, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:11 (four years ago) link

The best rhythm tone ever. Silver mercury bliss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxATZPKbAqU

flappy bird, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:11 (four years ago) link

like someone mentioned above, you'll see a bunch of local blues guitarists play strats, apart from beginner guitarists

a few xposts

F♯ A♯ (∞), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:12 (four years ago) link

Oh yeah of course, the Smashing Fucken Pumpkins must be the decider here. Prince, Springsteen, Strummer.. I am comfortable in my position.

Jonathan Hellion Mumble, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:14 (four years ago) link

hey man, put Billy and the Pumpkins and everything else out of your mind....*bong rip*..........just listen to that tone

flappy bird, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:15 (four years ago) link

Not wack:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf2e4QPPxJY

dinnerboat, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:16 (four years ago) link

Oh, Doug Martsch is a Strat guy too. But I think he switched out the pickups and has the selector switch permanently jammed in one position or something.

how's life, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:16 (four years ago) link

seriously, when Dylan talked about the "thin wild mercury sound" of Blonde on Blonde..... Billy's clean rhythm tone circa '93-'94.... it's that fat wild mercury sound

flappy bird, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:16 (four years ago) link

Billy also uses Lace Sensors in his Strats fwiw

flappy bird, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:17 (four years ago) link

Have you kept it stock or modded it?
At one point I had the pickup switch and tone knob removed, so all it has is the volume control. I took the tone knob off because I always had it turned all the way up and never touched it—I dialed in the tone on my amp instead. As for the selector switch, I’m pretty sure that the middle position is the only setting I can use now. The in-between settings were completely useless to me.

I do all the sound-shaping stuff with pedals. I’m not a tone junkie. I don’t even know if a Strat is the best guitar for me. I just got it because someone at the guitar store where I bought it recommended it. To get the best sound, I always have to jack it up with a preamp. At first I didn’t understand that stuff, but once I started using a preamp, I got a much bigger and more satisfying sound.

how's life, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:17 (four years ago) link

Ok Doug Martsch is an acceptable counterpoint. Is "Billy" meant to refer to the Smashing Pumpkins again? cus eh... no.

Jonathan Hellion Mumble, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:18 (four years ago) link

Billy was the only one in SP that played Strats, James mostly used Les Pauls.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:22 (four years ago) link

you don't even have to listen to him sing. just that tone in the Luna video.... fuck me running if that's not the best clean rhythm tone i've ever heard

flappy bird, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:22 (four years ago) link

for tele players i immediately think of robyn hitchcock for silvery shimmer and d boon for skrawk

his eye is on despair-o (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:23 (four years ago) link

Billy was the only one in SP that played Strats, James mostly used Les Pauls.
Oh Ok cool, I'll run straight awaya nd check them out.

Jonathan Hellion Mumble, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:24 (four years ago) link

strat = r thompson for christ's sake!!! and byrne

his eye is on despair-o (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:25 (four years ago) link

Yeah, Richard Thompson owns that shit

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:26 (four years ago) link

Also, Alex Chilton on the first 2 Big Star albums, total strat sound

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:28 (four years ago) link

I wish Richard Thompson was my dad. Or at least my cool uncle.

Jonathan Hellion Mumble, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:28 (four years ago) link

Let's not forget David Gilmour

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:30 (four years ago) link

(it is entirely possible that Richard Thompson is my uncle, ftr).

Jonathan Hellion Mumble, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:31 (four years ago) link

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51XtWa3SqVL.jpg

thread closed

flappy bird, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:31 (four years ago) link

i like it as well. very classy. even the massive block inlays work.

my first guitar is one of those HH '72 thinline reissues. i bought it when i was 16 and had pretty simplistic ideas about what guitar to buy, and it's not what i would purchase today, but i do think there's a case for humbuckers on a guitar with a fender scale length and fender's choice of body woods.

call all destroyer, Friday, 4 December 2020 00:13 (one month ago) link

Fender brought back the real wide range humbuckers from the '70s with CuNiFe pole pieces. It's real tempting to have my Jazzmaster routed for a pair and have a Lee Ranaldo Jazzblaster.

onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Friday, 4 December 2020 03:34 (one month ago) link

they are good. I play a Telecaster but I bear no ill will towards the Stratocaster.

charlie brown from outta town (GM), Friday, 4 December 2020 05:28 (one month ago) link

My first guitar was some weird Yamaha with a locking nut and a pseudo Floyd Rose and it weighed like 20 pounds, so I traded it for a Squier Strat which I've owned since 1988 (though it's currently out of commission—pickup issues). I should probably get a legit good Strat someday, but there's no rush.

I had a fake Tele once, and I've played real Teles before, but you have to be really good to play that guitar confidently. It doesn't hide a thing.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 4 December 2020 05:33 (one month ago) link

I've realized I kinda hate humbuckers; i had some in my homebrewed tele deluxe and recently swapped them out for p90s because it always sounded way too muddy and dull for me.

joygoat, Friday, 4 December 2020 14:23 (one month ago) link

been thinking about getting one of these, this guy makes handwound P90s that fit in a Strat single coil mount

thinking that for the middle, the TV Smith Filter'tron in the bridge humbucker I posted above, then keeping the Strat neck pickup the same

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 4 December 2020 14:28 (one month ago) link

Keith had the right idea, put a humbucker in place of the Tele's (imo not very useful) neck pickup. You get the bright twang of the bridge, but more versatility out of the neck and combos.

That said, I'm not a big fan of humbuckers. P90s, though, those are great. And Neil Young might have stumbled on the best combo years ago with his Les Paul, which sports one P90 and one Firebird pickup. Iirc Daniel Lanois has the same setup on his own Goldtop.

I've kind of been fascinated by all the unique propriety pickups: Firebird, Jazzmaster, Gretsch, Rick. For those last two, do all models sport the same unique pickups?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 December 2020 14:35 (one month ago) link

I like the neck pickup in my tele. Think it’s an American standard, bought it new at GC in 1997. The bridge pickup is too think and twangy. Lobe the neck on clean or with a little bit of grit.

tobo73, Friday, 4 December 2020 14:40 (one month ago) link

Neck pickups are the shiznit. I will never alter this opinion.

Also I have mad love for a P90.

For a while, to get semi-hollowbody sounds into my palette, I had an epi 339 with alleged coil-split abilities. Sounded okay, but did not really get to true single-coil scalpel-like tone.

It was a pretty nice guitar, just not for me. I gave/sold it to my bandmate (I recall there was whiskey involved). So I still get to see it every now and then.

Perhaps there is a fully-hollow archtop with P90s in my future. Wildly impractical but it might be cool. Like maybe a Casino or Jazzica type thingy.

velcro-magnon (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 4 December 2020 14:42 (one month ago) link

My guitar teacher played enough Beatles tributes over the years that he eventually bought a Casino and a Gretsch strictly for that purpose, because nothing else quite sounded like them.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 December 2020 14:55 (one month ago) link

been thinking about getting one of these, this guy makes handwound P90s that fit in a Strat single coil mount

thinking that for the middle, the TV Smith Filter'tron in the bridge humbucker I posted above, then keeping the Strat neck pickup the same

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, December 4, 2020 9:28 AM (forty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

this sounds like a really fun configuration

call all destroyer, Friday, 4 December 2020 15:24 (one month ago) link

Gretsch, Rick. For those last two, do all models sport the same unique pickups?

Rickenbacker has always used in-house designs. Since the '80s their guitars have mostly been fitted with a pickup that is higher-gain than the design used in the preceding three decades. Some of their more expensive models (e.g. the Tom Petty-signature 12-string) are available with the '60s-style "toaster-top" pickups.
Gretsch guitars have been manufactured with all kinds - their own designs, but also DeArmond, TV Jones, Lindy Fralin...

Soz (Not Soz) (Vast Halo), Friday, 4 December 2020 17:22 (one month ago) link

Supros have unique pickups too the new stuff they are putting out is really cool

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 4 December 2020 17:38 (one month ago) link

I've been playing an ES-335 for a couple years now which has 57 classic and super classic humbuckers, and I like them for what they do not have, i.e. a lot of the tones I don't like in single coil pickups. They can sound slightly dull through certain amps for sure, but, like, just don't play through those amps, play through something brighter. Some day I might want a tele for limited uses, but my current electric gives me the sound I want in most applications. Plus semi-hollows are nicer to practice unamplified with.

Can't see myself ever wanting a strat again. Gilmour is the only guy who I would really say gets a beautiful tone out of it, and it's so fat and un-strat-like imo, but it's really un-anything-like.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 4 December 2020 18:28 (one month ago) link

The Keef neck humbucker seems like the opposite of what I'd want - I don't want to make the neck potentially muddier, I'd rather have a bridge humbucker and a neck P90 or something.

onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Friday, 4 December 2020 18:37 (one month ago) link

I find at least on my Tele (which has one) it's a bit louder and fuller, more ... piano-like?

Re: Gilmour, of course he's associated with the Strat, but there's more to it than that. I had my mind blown when I learned that despite the fact many would point to it as an ultimate Strat sound, the solo on Another Brick in the Wall was actually done on a Goldtop with P90s. My friend's theory is that it's just more forgiving than a Strat is of those super high bends he does.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 December 2020 18:43 (one month ago) link

strats are pretty flexible, i mean, everyone from hendrix to albert hammond jr to ritchie blackmore, those ppl have really different tones

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 4 December 2020 18:44 (one month ago) link

teles are pretty flexible, i mean, everyone from page to black francis to steve cropper, those ppl have really different tones

peace, man, Friday, 4 December 2020 18:48 (one month ago) link

yeah and jimmy page played a lot of tele too even though he's considered a les paul guy

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 4 December 2020 18:57 (one month ago) link

i mean shit at the end of the day now a lot of people are running their guitar through like 12 boutique pedals it probably doesn't even matter than much

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 4 December 2020 18:58 (one month ago) link

The "Tele" that Black Francis played with Pixies had humbuckers in it.

Soz (Not Soz) (Vast Halo), Friday, 4 December 2020 18:59 (one month ago) link

yeah and jimmy page played a lot of tele too even though he's considered a les paul guy

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown)

These 2 on LZ records:

1959 Fender Telecaster (The Dragon). Given to Page by Jeff Beck and repainted with a psychedelic dragon design by Page. Played with the Yardbirds. Used to record the first Led Zeppelin album and used on the early tours during 1968–69. In 1971, it was used for recording the "Stairway to Heaven" solo. It was later disassembled and parts used in other guitars.

1966 Cream Fender Telecaster (used on Physical Graffiti and on "All My Love" during the Tour Over Europe in 1980).

and this one live:

1953 Botswana Brown Fender Telecaster featuring a Parsons and White B-string bender, originally with a maple neck, and later refitted with the rosewood neck originally from the "Dragon Telecaster". Seen primarily during the 1980s since it was one of his main guitars on stage during The Firm and Outrider era. Also used on the Led Zeppelin's 1977 North American concert tour and at Knebworth in 1979, notably on "Ten Years Gone" and "Hot Dog".

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 4 December 2020 19:07 (one month ago) link

It took a long time of being interested in guitars to figure out that the early ‘50s-style Telecasters and Esquires that look the most country also have the hottest pickups for rock

onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Friday, 4 December 2020 19:31 (one month ago) link

i mean shit at the end of the day now a lot of people are running their guitar through like 12 boutique pedals it probably doesn't even matter than much

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, December 4, 2020 10:58 AM

Hey you do your job and I do mine, pal!

As long as we're talking shop in here, I recently bought a second electric guitar in the form of one of the recent Squier Cyclone reissues. From what I understand, it's basically like a Mustang body with Strat innards. It's blue and it's very fun.

On my Tele, I play almost exclusively on the neck pickup because why the hell would you do anything else?

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 4 December 2020 19:37 (one month ago) link

Any Fender shade here can be parried with equal amounts of Gibson shade, just sayin

Wow, with a Les Paul you could sound like Joe Bonamassa OR like Jimmy Page!

velcro-magnon (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 4 December 2020 19:57 (one month ago) link

With a Tele, you can convincingly sound like either Vini Reilly or Neil Young. That's fun.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 4 December 2020 20:16 (one month ago) link

The "Tele" that Black Francis played with Pixies had humbuckers in it.
True, it was a Fender Japan Boxer series - but these days he plays the same parts using vintage 53 and 58 Teles.

assert (MatthewK), Friday, 4 December 2020 23:10 (one month ago) link

god help me I just made a deal to buy a 1972 Greco Tele, maybe it'll be old and hokey enough to put me off my Japanese Tele obsession.

assert (MatthewK), Friday, 4 December 2020 23:11 (one month ago) link

i get kind of bothered when like that one spottie posted or this one
https://shop.fender.com/en-US/electric-series/artist/guitars/jim-root-telecaster/0134444780.html

when they just put humbuckers in a telecaster. i don't get the point if it doesn't have the plate and bridge pickup

otherwise why not just get like a charvel super strat w/two humbuckers it's going to be more comfortable to play and a tele isn't a tele w/two hi gain humbuckers imo

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, December 3, 2020 3:47 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

never got the sense that the guys in slipknot were concerned with comfort while playing

― call all destroyer, Thursday, December 3, 2020 3:50 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

That Jim Root guitar is terrifying.
I used to play in a band that wore chunky masks like that onstage and can confirm that it was extremely unpleasant and a handicap. Instruments had to complement the visual style above all else, for shows at least. I would say the sound, let alone playability, was a secondary concern to that.

I think ums is otm about telecasters with humbuckers in the bridge. My first "good" guitar (maybe my only "good" guitar) was a 1993 Tele Plus with the lace sensors, like the one Jonny Greenwood plays. We got it used very cheap. Radiohead weren't a big deal yet- I was going for a very sharp Syd Barrett/Daniel Ash kind of sound that it did not really deliver.
This was a source of frustration to me for years and years, and I desperately wanted to modify it to sound like a standard tele but never had the money. This was for the best as it's now probably the most valuable thing i own.

There are way too many kinds of guitars imo there should only be about 3 or 4 different electric guitars. OTOH there are only 7 or 8 different kinds of pedals, really, and there ought to be 25.

Deflatormouse, Saturday, 5 December 2020 00:11 (one month ago) link

Fender brought back the real wide range humbuckers from the '70s with CuNiFe pole pieces. It's real tempting to have my Jazzmaster routed for a pair and have a Lee Ranaldo Jazzblaster.

I picked up a pair of the CuNiFe WRHBs for this exact purpose, though I'm aiming for a what-if-there-was a mid-70s Jazzmaster Deluxe with this build than a Jazzblaster (i.e. I'm keeping the rhythm circuit, 1M pots instead of 500K ones). I just need to find a JM neck I like. Jason Pierce of SP3/Spiritualized has been playing a mid-70s Telecaster Thinline with dual WRHBs for years.

GITEC has a really nice multipart rundown on what makes the original Fender CuNiFe WRHB's so unique and why they're different from most other boring HB pickups. Lots of technical info and gets into the physics of it:
https://www.gitec-forum-eng.de/2019/09/17/whats-so-special-about-the-fender-wide-range-humbucking-pickup/

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 5 December 2020 00:31 (one month ago) link

Where I live I have had pretty good luck knowing and being friends with some people that work and build guitars for cash both for a living and a side hustle. From that I ended up my electric guitars are just parts guitars. I have a couple of mutant Fender/Gibson hybrids I got put together, one about 10 years ago and I built one later.

I think what got me hooked was finding and spending alot of time playing with these guys site.

http://tctwp.com/kisekae/

I've probably got 50+ saved JPGs of different designs I have played with on that website on and off for 10-15 years designing different guitars.

You can get twang with humbucker, but it helps to have one that is a lower signal output and some seem to think 'scatter' winding which is basically winding them not evenly (basically wiring them kinda wrong), That type of wiring defeats some of the noise cancelling and some enthusiasts and pickup winders is the sonic mojo dust in the old Gibson PAF humbuckers.

earlnash, Saturday, 5 December 2020 00:56 (one month ago) link

ah I'd seen the term scatter winding but never knew what that meant

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 5 December 2020 02:27 (one month ago) link

GITEC has a really nice multipart rundown on what makes the original Fender CuNiFe WRHB's so unique and why they're different from most other boring HB pickups. Lots of technical info and gets into the physics of it:
https://www.gitec-forum-eng.de/2019/09/17/whats-so-special-about-the-fender-wide-range-humbucking-pickup/

― Elvis Telecom, Friday, December 4, 2020 7:31 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

thanks, this was really interesting to skim through. kind of want to get the CuNiFe reissues to put in my tele though they're already sold out on fender's site. interestingly, fender is selling a neck and bridge version even though there was apparently only one version of the original. someone on reverb has just the neck pickup reissue for sale; wonder if buying two of those and throwing one in the bridge would actually be closest to the 70s models.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 5 December 2020 02:59 (one month ago) link

It is kinda hilarous that the 'genius' sound on guitar pickups would be because some worker bee was slacking off and not keeping the wire winding straight might be part of the 'magic'. It's like the magic slacker genius when you get a burrito or pizza and the stoner making it just throws a bunch of extra stuff in because they don't give a crap.

earlnash, Saturday, 5 December 2020 04:33 (one month ago) link

xp - I'm suspicious Fender just sells them as neck and bridge out of habit and to make things easier for ordering.

They don't currently even sell any guitars that use a bridge CuNiFe WRHB, just the American Original Tele Custom with one in the neck.

onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Saturday, 5 December 2020 06:39 (one month ago) link

also it didn't occur to me as I've been thinking about this to make sure Fender had them in stock

onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Saturday, 5 December 2020 06:39 (one month ago) link

oh I see now, they are claiming to wind them differently. The neck pickup's listed resistance is right in the ballpark of a set of a vintage WRHBs I had but had to sell before I used them (both were 10.5k)

onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Saturday, 5 December 2020 06:41 (one month ago) link

Sometimes neck and bridge have different pole spacing, but that’s not usually a Fender thing.

assert (MatthewK), Saturday, 5 December 2020 08:23 (one month ago) link

yeah, the neck pickup resistance is similar to the vintage measurements in that article elvis posted.

lollar seems to make the most well-regarded clone and they also make a separate bridge pickup "for better volume and tone balance" though i wonder if it's just a nod to certain expectations people have of bridge pickups. as i said, i'm tempted to buy two of the neck version and just roll the dice that way.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 5 December 2020 16:07 (one month ago) link

Perhaps there is a fully-hollow archtop with P90s in my future. Wildly impractical but it might be cool. Like maybe a Casino or Jazzica type thingy.


the new run of casinos just released is tempting af

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 5 December 2020 16:32 (one month ago) link

I saw a rig rundown from the guitarist in David Byrne's band, and she plays humbuckers exclusively, out of preference as well as as a complement to Byrne's guitar. But she did have Fralin make her custom humbuckers to get more personality.

I have a Fralin bridge pickup in my Tele, and it sounds *perfect.*

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 5 December 2020 16:35 (one month ago) link

Fender shows the bridge Wide Ranges in stock again FWIW

onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 23:32 (one month ago) link

they're both back in stock! thanks for giving me the heads up fender's "notify me when back in stock" feature did not.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 10 December 2020 01:48 (one month ago) link

Ditto, I checked because I was wavering on just ordering two necks.

onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Thursday, 10 December 2020 02:10 (one month ago) link

new wide ranges showed up today. time to dust off my nonexistent soldering skills.

call all destroyer, Monday, 21 December 2020 02:53 (one month ago) link

that was actually pretty easy. i had never swapped out pickups before. i'm very happy with them, i think in part because they're just much higher quality than whatever fender has been putting in its mexican reissues (or was in 2000-2001). nice articulation and chime. i think i need to raise the bridge pickup height a little bit b/c it's out of volume balance with the neck pickup right now. the neck pickup is a star tho.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 22:37 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

classy!

call all destroyer, Saturday, 9 January 2021 17:40 (two weeks ago) link


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