~~~ 15 YEARS OF ILM POLL!!! ~~~ (Metal & Heavy Rock [+ related sub-genres] Edition) RESULTS & DISCUSSION THREAD

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except its not

Cosmic Slop, Friday, 16 September 2016 17:23 (seven years ago) link

Although I like a lot of drony/repetitive things so.

Hi! I'm twice-coloured! (Sund4r), Friday, 16 September 2016 17:23 (seven years ago) link

that goes to sund4r and lj too fwiw

Cosmic Slop, Friday, 16 September 2016 17:23 (seven years ago) link

http://i68.tinypic.com/3177a11.jpg

Cosmic Slop, Friday, 16 September 2016 17:23 (seven years ago) link

Jerusalem and Dopesmoker are the final albums by the American heavy metal band Sleep. The albums were released in 1999 and 2003 respectively. The music for these albums was written during a four-year period when the group was working on a single song that was around an hour in length. Sleep had signed with London Records, which financed the album. When recording had finished, London Records was unhappy with the finished product and refused to release it. The album was later released in various forms by different record labels. All versions of the album received very positive reception from music critics, who described it as a high-water mark in both the stoner metal and doom metal genres.

After positive reviews from the heavy metal press and the release of the album Sleep's Holy Mountain (1993) on Earache Records, Sleep's label announced that they would release their follow-up record.[1][2][3] Sleep had been touring in Europe with Cathedral and in the United States with Hawkwind in support of Sleep's Holy Mountain when the group felt they had to write new material.[1][4] The new album was going to be an hour-long song.[4] This song was written and practiced at sound checks, motel rooms and in friends' houses.[5] Matt Pike said the songwriting process was long and that they were "working on [the song] for like four years. We also had two other songs that were working on that were really long, too—like 15 and 20 minutes. But we never recorded them."[4] Al Cisneros stated that smoking cannabis was important to the song's creative process: "I was really dependent on the space I got into when I was using it, and some of the lyrics are about that...The line, 'Drop out of life [with bong in hand],' was kind of a creed at that point."[5] The song was originally known and performed live under the title "Dopesmoker". After their tour, the group began to be interested in a Middle Eastern desert theme which led to Sleep referring to the song as "Jerusalem" during later practice sessions.[6]

Sleep were ready to record the album in 1995 but did not record it until 1996 as the band was still contracted with Earache.[5] Cisneros said that there was "about a year and half of legal wrangling between their managers and lawyers at Earache" and that Earache owner Digby Pearson "waited to make the most prime conditions for himself before he let [Sleep's] contract [go]."[5] Sleep were in talks with both London Records and Elektra Records to release their next album. They chose to sign to London, as they were promised complete artistic freedom and more money, and since the label did not have any metal bands, Sleep felt they would receive special treatment.[4][7] The members of Sleep were poor, and used the majority of money they received from London Records to cover for the debt they were in at that time.[4]

The song was recorded at Record Two Studio in Comptche, California.[8] While recording the song, it began to develop differently from the original vision.[8] Pike stated that the "song was getting slower and slower and then it got weird. We started tripping out and second guessing ourselves."[8] Recording the album was difficult. Pike recalled that "there was so much to memorize for that album, and we had to do it in like three different sections because a reel-to-reel only holds 22 minutes. It was really cool, but it was one of the hardest things I've ever done in in my life."[7] Sleep were in the studio for one month then went home to rehearse and returned for another month. Pike noted that they ended up with two or three different versions of the song.[6]

Within a few weeks of signing with London, the A&R member who was negotiating with Sleep had been transferred and replaced.[4] After sending the finished album to London Records, the label told Sleep that they were not going to release the album in its current format.[9] London Records had David Sardy remix the album but the label were still confused as to what to do with the album.[10] Sleep refused to have the album released in any edited form which led to a deadlock between London and the band.[3] The members of Sleep have mixed feelings whether the album should have been released in general. Cisneros felt it should not have been released while Pike was content with its release, saying "We did all the work so why leave it sitting around?"[11]

By 2009, there had been four versions of the album released: a rare London Records promotional disc, a bootleg with cover art by Arik Roper, the Rise Above/Music Cartel Records album, and a release by Tee Pee Records.[12] The Rise Above/Music Cartel release was an unauthorized edited version, released in 1999 under the title Jerusalem.[1][3] Jerusalem runs at 52 minutes and is a single composition split into six identically named tracks.[13] The version of the album titled Dopesmoker was released on April 22, 2003, by Tee Pee Records on compact disc and vinyl with a 63-minute running time.[2][14] Cisneros spoke most positively about the 2003 Dopesmoker release, saying "I don't think the Dopesmoker thing is the exact version that we submitted, but that's the closest one that's come out of the four. If I had to pick a favorite, that would be it."[12] Parts of the song were used in the film Broken Flowers by Jim Jarmusch. Jarmusch stated that he was a fan of Sleep and listed them along with Earth and Sunn O))) as an influence for creating the film: "I love these kind of visual landscapes they make, and they really inspired things for me for my film The Limits of Control".[15]

Reissue

In March 2012, Southern Lord Records announced plans for a deluxe reissue of the album, adding of the pending release that "The audio is clearer, louder, and at last brings a true representation of Sleep's hour-plus Weedian chronicle".[16] The reissue features new artwork by the band's artist Arik Roper, a recording mastered from the original studio tapes by From Ashes Rise guitarist Brad Boatright, and a live version of the song "Holy Mountain", recorded at the I-Beam in San Francisco in 1994.[17] This version of the album reached number 14 on the Top Heatseekers chart.[18]

Both Dopesmoker and early releases of the album received positive reviews from the music press. In the December 2000 issue of Spin the album was referred to as "brilliant" and as a "stoner touchstone".[25] CMJ New Music Monthly wrote positively about the song, saying that the "monotony rarely becomes tedious, because Al Cisneros and company are unpredictable and sensual in their drug-induced pounding of early Sabbath terrain."[27] Online music database AllMusic gave the Jerusalem album four stars out of five stating that "Either version is worth investigating for adventurous metal enthusiasts, but Dopesmoker is clearly the final and definitive presentation of this work".[13] In 2006, the extreme metal magazine Decibel included the album in their hall of fame of "extreme metal masterpieces".[21]

The album continued to receive praise after the release of Dopesmoker. Eduardo Rivadavia of online music database AllMusic gave the album four and a half stars out of five stating "Dopesmoker is [...] an instant doom metal classic—some might even say a masterpiece".[14] The British music magazine Mojo gave the album a rating of five out of five stars proclaiming that Dopesmoker is "A benchmark by which all that dares call itself stoner rock must surely be judged."[23] Exclaim! praised Dopesmoker's production value and noted that the album was "ultimately better version of 1999's stoner opus Jerusalem."[22] Stylus Magazine's Stewart Voegtlin defined Dopesmoker as "a 60-minute song about the spliff, a monstrous rock ode to stinky buds". Voegtlin pointed out that London Records' refusal to "share Sleep's affection or vision, [led the band to] disbanding in disgust. Matt Pike went on to form High on Fire; Al Cisneros and Chris Hakius contemplate the universe's navel with Om."[26] A New York Times critic wrote: "What seems disorienting and monochromatic at first grows richer and more rewarding upon repeated exposure. It’s like a Mark Rothko painting hitting you over the head with a bag of hammers."[28]

The 2012 Southern Lord Records re-issue was also praised. On Metacritic, it has a score of 94 out of 100, based on 9 reviews.[19] Exclaim! noted that this issue was "cleaner and more powerful, the guitars sound heavier, with a much larger presence, and the mesmerizing complexity of the track has been reinvigorated."[29] Pitchfork Media gave the album an 8.5 out of 10 and listed it as one of "the best new reissues" noting that "It's an hour of adventure and momentum, where the lumber and the repetition somehow always push ahead."[24] Consequence of Sound gave the album three and a half stars out of five, stating that "It's not for everybody, certainly; all but the biggest potheads/metalheads may burn out after so much grinding. It's no showcase for songwriting, either, but it makes up for that with heady atmosphere."[20]

Cosmic Slop, Friday, 16 September 2016 17:25 (seven years ago) link

Is it possible I've not heard this? I think this is bludgeoningly intense enough for me to like, despite the length and repetition. That and the artwork...wow

tangenttangent, Friday, 16 September 2016 17:27 (seven years ago) link

6 Uncle Acid & the Deadbeats - Blood Lust 4335.5 Points, 21 Votes, One #1
http://i63.tinypic.com/r2olrp.jpg
https://open.spotify.com/album/3nGKNhRZwE0u0GkGSps8C8
spotify:album:3nGKNhRZwE0u0GkGSps8C8

Cosmic Slop, Friday, 16 September 2016 17:36 (seven years ago) link

bleh

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 16 September 2016 17:36 (seven years ago) link

in answer to 'what is style over substance', this, this is style over substance

imago, Friday, 16 September 2016 17:37 (seven years ago) link

It figures that the stuff at the bottom of my ballot wd appear highest

Btw that 'Wooowwwww' is from Dopesmoker appearing so low, I thought it was a lock for top 3

Drugs A. Money, Friday, 16 September 2016 17:39 (seven years ago) link

i mean i wouldn't go that far, it's a catchy record with a lot of touchstones in its compositions that resonate with different kinds of listeners

but also it's way too high

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 16 September 2016 17:39 (seven years ago) link

Cosmic did his part in hyping that one at the time! Vol. 1 is great too, due for a reissue/proper CD. Lossless files are out there, not sure if they were yanked from tape or not, but sound alright. Sorry I've been MIA dealing with life stuff, today have a sick cat, not sure if I'll make it to Riot Fest in time for Fu Manchu.

Fastnbulbous, Friday, 16 September 2016 17:39 (seven years ago) link

also blood lust appearing above dopesmoker is pretty :|

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 16 September 2016 17:39 (seven years ago) link

dang really thought agalloch was gonna be #1. guess it's dopethrone?

ciderpress, Friday, 16 September 2016 17:40 (seven years ago) link

This one doesn't stand out much from the retro doom wave for me.

jmm, Friday, 16 September 2016 17:43 (seven years ago) link

i'm over Sleep. would rather listen to Blood Lust than Dopesmoker any day of the week.

alpine static, Friday, 16 September 2016 17:45 (seven years ago) link

^^ not necessarily true of the Uncle Acid albums since, however

alpine static, Friday, 16 September 2016 17:46 (seven years ago) link

Just saw Uncle Acid this week, and they were way better than I expected them to be - really tight band, really, and some of the newer tunes sounded better live.

BlackIronPrison, Friday, 16 September 2016 17:54 (seven years ago) link

5 Isis - Panopticon 4578.6 Points, 22 Votes, One #1
http://i68.tinypic.com/25qsuc8.jpg

Robotic Empire version
http://i65.tinypic.com/euly8m.jpg

https://open.spotify.com/album/2bPTCyG3NxIRHQL3tsQzIM
spotify:album:2bPTCyG3NxIRHQL3tsQzIM

Cosmic Slop, Friday, 16 September 2016 18:00 (seven years ago) link

2004
Notes:
This is Isis 3rd album, originally released on CD by Ipecac Records.
Released in Japan by Daymare Recordings on an enhanced CD with an extra video.

Trust No One Recordings released the album on vinyl:
First press:
7 A/B on bright orange, C/D on clear w/smoke
7 A/B on clear w/orange streaks, C/D on clear w/smoke
11 A/B on clear pink, C/D on clear w/smoke
40 A/B on clear w/small traces of yellow/red, C/D on clear w/smoke
75 A/B on clear, C/D on clear w/smoke
75 A/B on clear, C/D on clear
100 A/B on clear, C/D on black
700 A/B on black, C/D on black

Second press:
25 A/B on blue w/black streaks, C/D on blue w/massive black swirls
35 A/B on blue w/black streaks, C/D on blue w/black streaks
40 A/B on blue, C/D on blue w/black streaks
400 A/B on blue, C/D on blue

Robotic Empire released the album also on vinyl with a different artwork:
First press of 2461 copies total:
156 on opaque light blue
212 on opaque orange
2073 on black
20 test presses
8 test presses (C-side)

Second press of 623 copies total:
450 on clear (330 have the full color 3" labels, 120 have black A/B and silver C/D labels),
173 black (all w/ black A/B and silver C/D labels).
Pressed at Erika w/ wrong catalog number, says Robo 045.

Third press of 2010 copies total:
300 on cokebottle blue/clear w/ silver smoke,
300 on half green / half cokebottle green w/ splatter,
300 on grey / silver mix,
1100 on black,
10 test presses.

Fourth press of 1000 copies total:
400 copies on "deep sea" blue,
400 copies on "exploding" orange,
200 copies on black.

Fifth press of 2018 copies total:
120 copies on clear w/ orange splatter,
209 copies on blue/black swirl,
289 black w/ orange splatter
1400 copies on black.

Sixth press of 2000 copies:
2000 copies on black w/matte “revese board” printwork

Seventh press of 2000 copies:
200 copies on clear/translucent blue
500 copies on clear/translucent orange
1300 copies on black vinyl

All in a super high-gloss, tip-on heavyweight gatefold jacket and printed-innersleeves and remastered

Cosmic Slop, Friday, 16 September 2016 18:00 (seven years ago) link

The information everyone cared about at the time because vinyl was so cheap

Cosmic Slop, Friday, 16 September 2016 18:01 (seven years ago) link

Pretty much the album that kickstarted my love of metal

imago, Friday, 16 September 2016 18:02 (seven years ago) link

It's utterly spectacular

imago, Friday, 16 September 2016 18:03 (seven years ago) link

My favourite Isis album for sure.

Gavin, Leeds, Friday, 16 September 2016 18:04 (seven years ago) link

Uncle Acid are awesome. "The Night Creeper" is particularly underrated. The Beatles gone stoner metal. Liking the Weakling album. It's a big dirty whirlwind of fear

Neptune Bingo (Michael B), Friday, 16 September 2016 18:05 (seven years ago) link

Isis dont float my boat tbh

Neptune Bingo (Michael B), Friday, 16 September 2016 18:05 (seven years ago) link

imo just in terms of the year it came out (and albums that brought a lot of people into metal) leviathan >>>> panopticon

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 16 September 2016 18:05 (seven years ago) link

xpost and the band arent too good either

Neptune Bingo (Michael B), Friday, 16 September 2016 18:06 (seven years ago) link

I'm now rooting for a Tom G #1 and 2.

jmm, Friday, 16 September 2016 18:07 (seven years ago) link

oh yeah i forgot monotheist hasn't placed dang

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 16 September 2016 18:08 (seven years ago) link

I don't want the Dopesmoker journey to end.

tangenttangent, Friday, 16 September 2016 18:12 (seven years ago) link

4 Triptykon - Melana Chasmata 5131 Points, 23 Votes
http://i64.tinypic.com/nfscgj.jpg
https://open.spotify.com/album/1grYUhn0k8XBFGRAEs5qVh
spotify:album:1grYUhn0k8XBFGRAEs5qVh

Cosmic Slop, Friday, 16 September 2016 18:15 (seven years ago) link

monotheist
oceanic
dopethrone

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 16 September 2016 18:16 (seven years ago) link

That was a great album. "Aurorae" and "Waiting" were the highlights for me.

jmm, Friday, 16 September 2016 18:16 (seven years ago) link

is that 1-3 or 3-1?

Cosmic Slop, Friday, 16 September 2016 18:28 (seven years ago) link

Are Triptykon too metal for you imago?

Cosmic Slop, Friday, 16 September 2016 18:29 (seven years ago) link

maybe, let's listen

imago, Friday, 16 September 2016 18:41 (seven years ago) link

imo you'd like them

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 16 September 2016 18:41 (seven years ago) link

also have you heard into the pandemonium? i think that's your kind of record

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 16 September 2016 18:42 (seven years ago) link

ooh I haven't, ty

imago, Friday, 16 September 2016 18:42 (seven years ago) link

I didn't vote, but I am surprised Khanate's Things Viral hasn't made the cut at all.

tomoliverwhite, Friday, 16 September 2016 18:43 (seven years ago) link

3 Isis - Oceanic 5149 Points, 23 Votes, TWO #1's
http://i64.tinypic.com/fwln5e.jpg
https://open.spotify.com/album/0vibPObMMV1cphqMP8P5D0
spotify:album:0vibPObMMV1cphqMP8P5D0

Cosmic Slop, Friday, 16 September 2016 18:46 (seven years ago) link

US Version Escape Artist Records
First pressing:
200 copies on opaque dark green vinyl
300 copies on transparent light green vinyl (this)

Second pressing:
503 copies on clear vinyl

Third pressing:
300 copies on transparent orange vinyl
300 copies on white vinyl
500 copies on black vinyl

Euro Version Trust No One Recordings

First Test press:
5 A/B black C/D black

Second Test press:
5 A/B black

First press:
6 A/B black C/D black with brown marble
27 A/B purple C/D brown with purple marble
82 A/B purple C/D rust red
125 A/B purple C/D brown
708 A/B black C/D black (this)

Second press:
500 A/B clear C/D clear

Third press:
600 A/B white C/D white

Cosmic Slop, Friday, 16 September 2016 18:46 (seven years ago) link

oh dang i was wrong

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 16 September 2016 18:48 (seven years ago) link

i think this is the one i like

ciderpress, Friday, 16 September 2016 18:49 (seven years ago) link

i get them confused

ciderpress, Friday, 16 September 2016 18:49 (seven years ago) link

imo post the last two

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 16 September 2016 18:51 (seven years ago) link

Triptykon were awesome at Wacken.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJYIiUOCvws

jmm, Friday, 16 September 2016 18:54 (seven years ago) link

Grinning Mouths still leaves me slack jawed and grinning like an idiot.

Sunn O))) Brother Where Art Thou? (Chinaski), Friday, 16 September 2016 18:54 (seven years ago) link

no fucking Thou in this thing

cookware regression (Dinsdale), Friday, 16 September 2016 18:55 (seven years ago) link


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