groups whose musical direction I can totally get behind, but whose style of vocals really puts me off

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Junior Boys are one of those groups whose musical direction I can totally get behind, but whose style of vocals really puts me off. There are a surprising number of groups who fall into this category for me.

― chap, Thursday, July 14, 2016 12:42 PM

for me examples include Tindersticks, Lambchop, similar whisker vocal bands, can't enjoy it, it's like opposite ASMR or something and also just feels kinda insincere to my ears

also, have been to 5 Pearl Jam shows bcz one of my friends is a huge fan, and I always enjoy it, but can't really say I like Vedder's style

niels, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 07:48 (one year ago) Permalink

Basically every band since the 90s?

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 08:15 (one year ago) Permalink

Most good metal bands.

Three Word Username, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 08:53 (one year ago) Permalink

smashing pumpkins' vocals hurt me in my heart

report your crimes to my burning ghost cock (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 09:13 (one year ago) Permalink

Hot Chip.

nate woolls, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 09:31 (one year ago) Permalink

Ghostface Killah.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 09:39 (one year ago) Permalink

unbelievable

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 09:44 (one year ago) Permalink

...

report your crimes to my burning ghost cock (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 10:21 (one year ago) Permalink

I like his lyrics and the beats on his albums, but that screechy voice and his lazy start-stop flow is like fingernails on a chalkboard.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 10:49 (one year ago) Permalink

Short of saying Ella Fitzgerald or something that's probably the single wrongest answer I can think of.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 10:51 (one year ago) Permalink

OK maybe not "wrong" per se but just wow.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 10:52 (one year ago) Permalink

Supreme Challoptel

PLPeni (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 10:52 (one year ago) Permalink

Is it really hard to understand why Ghostface's... rather unique voice and rapping style would make him of acquired taste?

Tuomas, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 12:52 (one year ago) Permalink

you're making it sound like he's rap's Diamanda Galas

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 12:55 (one year ago) Permalink

Well, Galas' voice is clearly a deliberate choice, so it's not the same. It's not Ghostface's fault that he was born with a voice like that, he just shouldn't have become a rapper. Though he can be blamed for not bothering to hone his flow or make it fit the beats he's rapping over.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 12:58 (one year ago) Permalink

Screechy? Not hearing it tbh.

24 Hour Sex Ban Man (Tom D.), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 13:02 (one year ago) Permalink

if only he'd followed his true destiny and become the tax attorney the world needed

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 13:02 (one year ago) Permalink

Tuomas do you like action bronson ?

ANU (sisilafami), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 13:16 (one year ago) Permalink

Never listened to him, sorry.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 13:21 (one year ago) Permalink

I do like Q-Tip though, so it's not like I feel high-voiced men can't become good rappers. But something about how Ghostface uses his voice is just grating.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 13:22 (one year ago) Permalink

Hot Chip a good call.

My immediate thought is Sugarcubes at the height of Einar's interjections.

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 13:28 (one year ago) Permalink

Oh, probably Cake, too, although I haven't listened to much of their stuff specifically because of that. Dude's. Halt-ing. Cay-dence.

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 13:29 (one year ago) Permalink

OHHHH. Hold Steady.

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 13:30 (one year ago) Permalink

Pentatonix

nashwan, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 13:36 (one year ago) Permalink

Einar is the best part of the Sugarcubes, sorry Old Lunch

mh, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 16:24 (one year ago) Permalink

stunned at Tuomas' Ghostface antipathy too, specifically the assumption that everyone equally hears the same gratingness, rather than being "hey for some reason out of all the Wu MCs he just doesn't click for me *shrug*"

for me he's by far the standout Wu rapper, with more character and emotion and clarity and versatility to his voice than any other. but if people like Meth best for his charisma, or Rae for his half-involved, half-aloof sneering delivery, or Bobby for sounding most like a chew-safe rapper toy with a string in his back, I enjoy a prompt to pay attention to that rapper or characteristic next time I'm listening to a Clan recording.

Shakey δσς (sic), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 16:26 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah I loved Einar on the real too, he was just the Flavor Flav of the Sugarcubes

Shakey δσς (sic), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 16:27 (one year ago) Permalink

Ouch, guys. This really hurts.

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 16:29 (one year ago) Permalink

fucked up
robert gilligan

the event dynamics of power asynchrony (rushomancy), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 16:29 (one year ago) Permalink

love Hot Chip too, but the longer they go on, the more I wish they'd divide the vocals up a lot. (But: though Goddard and Grosvenor are both better singers with tones that suit the post-second-album stuff better, they don't have as distinct a character in their singing as Alexis does.)

A worse example of the same phenomenon is when Architecture In Helsinki went from being fragile, delicate indie to upbeat dance, and stopped having a bunch of vocalists divvying up parts and the main guy whispering reedily here and there, to main guy yelping like an aged cat with kidney stones in the middle and on top of everything all the time

Shakey δσς (sic), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 16:33 (one year ago) Permalink

Talk Talk

Iago Galdston, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 16:56 (one year ago) Permalink

Ohhh, speaking of bands that split up the vocals: Rilo Kiley whenever Jenny Lewis isn't on mic.

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 16:58 (one year ago) Permalink

Given that the Sugarcubes were the party band alter egos of Kukl, I think Einar was taking his cues from Fred Schneider. Who I have issues with, too.

Abandon hype all ye who enter here (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 17:41 (one year ago) Permalink

excited to have my moment of being the one person to understand where tuomas is coming from. I like ghostface but he definitely has a shrillness to him

ogmor, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 17:50 (one year ago) Permalink

rappers are kind of an outlier in that their vocal style and delivery are linked, though? idk, I guess if ghost... ghosted for someone else, we could judge the lyrics independently of voice

mh, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 18:15 (one year ago) Permalink

I can get behind almost any voice if I like the music enough (see Cardiacs, Christian Vander, Ruins, metal in general tho I have learned to appreciate a lot of the vocals there). It's far more common that good voices are wasted on mediocre music.

Dominique, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 18:23 (one year ago) Permalink

Ruins!! I love Ruins

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 18:36 (one year ago) Permalink

HEALTH is a good example of this. Love the music, can't stand the vocals. I still listen to them from time to time, but Death Magic would have possibly been my favorite album from last year if it were all instrumental.

silverfish, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 18:55 (one year ago) Permalink

practically every rock group from 90s onward

brimstead, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 19:14 (one year ago) Permalink

haha didnt even see tracer hand's post!

brimstead, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 19:17 (one year ago) Permalink

Oh, probably Cake, too, although I haven't listened to much of their stuff specifically because of that. Dude's. Halt-ing. Cay-dence.

Ahhh yeah, all-right, hoooooo

frogbs, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 19:19 (one year ago) Permalink

basically everybody who's come along wanting to sing mournful sad-guy indie in the years since will oldham picked up a microphone

Twilight Sparkle from My Little Pony said (contenderizer), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 19:26 (one year ago) Permalink

i do like will oldham tho

Twilight Sparkle from My Little Pony said (contenderizer), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 19:26 (one year ago) Permalink

The National
Fucked Up
Deafheaven
Radiohead
Xiu Xiu

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 19:30 (one year ago) Permalink

There's a new band/new album (Omni - Deluxe) that had me thinking this exact thing yesterday. I love the album but don't really like the vocals and couldn't remember the last time I felt that way. Typically, good vocals are a requirement for enjoyment of music.

Hot Chip, AIH, "whisker vocal" bands -- agreed. Couldn't ever get into Will Oldham because I hate that style of singing. Feels so contrived. But other "contrived" vocals are fine (punk, metal, whatever) - just not the lonely sad wilderness whittling-in-a-union-suit fellas.

SA, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 19:36 (one year ago) Permalink

Most good metal bands.

― Three Word Username, Tuesday, July 19, 2016 4:53 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^^otfm^^^^

also Radiohead, Deerhoof

Wimmels, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 19:40 (one year ago) Permalink

Someone always has to mention Deerhoof. I don't think there's a more fitting vocalist for them really, I mean what's the alternative?

ultros ultros-ghali, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 19:58 (one year ago) Permalink

no vocals?

Wimmels, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 19:59 (one year ago) Permalink

there really should be more instrumental rock bands. There are not nearly enough good singers and lyricists for all these bands.

silverfish, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 21:00 (one year ago) Permalink

As much as I love Sun Kil Moon (before Mark went off the deep end around 2014), I can't ever seem to get over the fact that his voice makes him sound he's singing with a mouthful of food.

And Tobin Sprout's vocals don't put me off but I'm constantly amazed at how different he sounds when singing vs. talking. It's not that he just sounds like he's in a different register but instead like an entirely different person.

Evan, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 16:21 (two months ago) Permalink

Durutti Column

― Wimmels, Tuesday, May 16, 2017 8:15 AM (one hour ago)

fp

Austin, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 17:00 (two months ago) Permalink

television

marcos, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 17:05 (two months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Bent Knee.

They are probably awesome and of course she's a perfectly fine singer but I can never make it through a whole song for some reason.

Noel Emits, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 20:10 (one month ago) Permalink

From Autumn to Ashes

Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 20:50 (one month ago) Permalink

NOFX

Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 20:50 (one month ago) Permalink

Possibly Arcade Fire with their emo-ramanah crooning

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 22:56 (one month ago) Permalink

better be honest. Nick Cave, Tom Waits

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 22:58 (one month ago) Permalink

JUTE FUCKING GYTE

the baby grew up to be a secessful kid (unregistered), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 03:05 (one month ago) Permalink

I listened to Pandora when it first started out, and the dealbreaker was Scout Niblett. Almost every "station" I created, they would feed me Scout Niblett.

I think just about everything else I can think of where I'm put off by the vocals, the music doesn't much do it for me either.

Oh, except for this televised concert recording of Chess: The Musical (not the original cast) where the woman singing the part of Florence was just really awful, probably some scientific similarities to Scout Niblett idk.

sarahell, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 03:20 (one month ago) Permalink

Bruno Mars

billstevejim, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 03:39 (one month ago) Permalink

uh

Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 06:33 (one month ago) Permalink

Early Smashing Pumpkins. Could get into the psychy rock stuff but that voice, yuck.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 09:44 (one month ago) Permalink

better be honest. Nick Cave, Tom Waits

― PaulTMA,

+ 1

mark e, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 10:14 (one month ago) Permalink

Like imagine if Siamese Dream had been sung by, I dunno, Layne Staley.

This would be awful!

korla pundit (crüt), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 12:17 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah, that would be awful. Corgan's voice is unorthodox but blends in well with the music on Gish and Siamese Dream... you can kinda tell on those early records that Corgan himself was dissatisfied with his voice, because the focus is pretty much on what the guitars and drums are doing rather than what the voice is doing. It was Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness where Corgan started to have more confidence in his voice, some might say wrongly.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 12:32 (one month ago) Permalink

If vocals are important enough in the arrangement to be a potential dealbreaker, I usually don't make a distinction between "style of vocals" and "musical direction".

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 12:41 (one month ago) Permalink

corgan is a hall of fame unlistenable singer for me. up there with jack white on top of kill myself mountain.

this happened to me when i tried to listen to belle and sebastian a week ago. i love twee and i love world-building aesthetics and i love the field mice and monochrome set and smiths and donovan and nick drake and i like their art design and i even like the music and i couldn't make it through an entire song. every blue moon i try to listen to them. his voice is SO in your ear. and i don't want that worm in my ear.

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 12:54 (one month ago) Permalink

i think i just don't believe in him either. he doesn't sell his (sometimes really not great) lyrics to me. i have to believe in your bedsit legend. i tried listening to some albums by Hit Parade the other day and something similar happened. i can't follow every sad sack down the thorny primrose path of imaginary destruction. life is short.

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 12:58 (one month ago) Permalink

i can't follow every sad sack down the thorny primrose path of imaginary destruction. life is short.

^ OTM.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:01 (one month ago) Permalink

I also loathe Jack White's voice.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:02 (one month ago) Permalink

Bent Knee is an interesting choice. I'm not sure what they would sound like without her.

frogbs, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:47 (one month ago) Permalink

I'd never heard of them before this thread but she has a very good voice.

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:51 (one month ago) Permalink

a band that is some sort of test of your fortitude:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3KSpeiRPTc

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 14:19 (one month ago) Permalink

speaking of which, i would totally own every Family album if they'd had another singer. but for fans he's the star of the show. i do love the music.

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 14:22 (one month ago) Permalink

Skylar Spence

MarkoP, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 14:31 (one month ago) Permalink

The Associates

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 14:35 (one month ago) Permalink

Hood

― MaresNest, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 10:28 (six months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I can't agree with this at all, the sort of subdued and vulnerable nature of the guy's voice fits the music perfectly imo. Reminds me of the time a friend overheard me listening to Bark Psychosis and asked "why can't this guy really sing?" I don't think pelting it out would really benefit anything.

WRONG TWELVE FUCK WITH (ultros ultros-ghali), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 14:42 (one month ago) Permalink

I don't mind either David Surkamp or Rob Chapman that much.
Don't like Jon Anderson much, he sounded a bit better on the early 00ies remasters, but still don't like him much.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 14:51 (one month ago) Permalink

Roger Chapman is awesome but I imagine he's fingernails down a blackboard for a lot of people.

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 14:54 (one month ago) Permalink

i love gentle giant vocals. preferences are weird. i can imagine GG voice would drive some people buggy. just that stridency and straining at times.

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 14:55 (one month ago) Permalink

Yes, I really don't like their main singer, ugly but not Roger Chapman-like compellingly ugly.

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 14:56 (one month ago) Permalink

Also the other guy who sounds like Peter Hammill, aged 7 and a half.

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 14:57 (one month ago) Permalink

Hood

― MaresNest, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 10:28 (six months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I can't agree with this at all, the sort of subdued and vulnerable nature of the guy's voice fits the music perfectly imo. Reminds me of the time a friend overheard me listening to Bark Psychosis and asked "why can't this guy really sing?" I don't think pelting it out would really benefit anything.

― WRONG TWELVE FUCK WITH (ultros ultros-ghali), Wednesday, June 21, 2017 2:42 PM (thirty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ultros Ultros ultra otm. Think it fits the music absolutely perfectly. I cannot envision any other voice to go with that specific whistful, mnelancholy, rural yet pastoral vibe, yet at times with real force lashing out, too.

(best band ever tbh)

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 15:17 (one month ago) Permalink

i kinda dig that they would basically try and sound like EVERY prog band on one track. the original mashup artists.

x-post

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 15:18 (one month ago) Permalink

although their first album came out in 1970 so they get some OG status.

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 15:20 (one month ago) Permalink

there should really be a label devoted to putting out instrumental versions of classic prog albums. #milliondollaridea

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 15:21 (one month ago) Permalink

are we talking about Gentle Giant? which singer sounds like PH? they all kind of sound alike to me.

frogbs, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 15:24 (one month ago) Permalink

Well there was three brothers in the band, that explains the similarity in the vocals. The keyboard player sang also in a sort of high, flutey, plummy voice.

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 15:39 (one month ago) Permalink

... which sounds to me like a pre-pubescent PH.

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 15:43 (one month ago) Permalink

My aversion to the vocal style in Bent Knee is obviously irrational. Perhaps I was looking for encouragement to keep trying. Maybe CBT would help.

Noel Emits, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 16:10 (one month ago) Permalink

3 Inches of Blood. the band is inspired. the vocalist sounds like a parody of a metal vocalist.

Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 17:17 (one month ago) Permalink

METAL definitely. The music is usually technically amazing and has some interesting things going on but I fucking hate gutural or screaming voices which is like 90% of all metal.

dance cum rituals (Moka), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 17:35 (one month ago) Permalink

Tom Waits, Nick Cave, Billy Corgan, Joanna Newsom and others mentioned upthread make no sense to me. I know they have grating voices but it's really part of the appeal. Per example Waits' almost barking drunk hobo voice adds a very genuine touch to his lyrics about... well barking drunk hobos.

dance cum rituals (Moka), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 17:38 (one month ago) Permalink

I fucking hate Tom Waits.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 17:41 (one month ago) Permalink

At last we agree on something.

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 17:42 (one month ago) Permalink

i have beefheart for waits-style urges, the doors or bauhaus for cave-style urges, geddy lee for uhhhhhh corgan-style urges, and....i don't know if i have newsom urges. i guess i have folk and flutes for that.

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 17:43 (one month ago) Permalink

get it, cave-style urges. bauhaus. i'm a riot.

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 17:43 (one month ago) Permalink

tom waits has an incredible voice, y'all are high

black covfefe in bed (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 17:47 (one month ago) Permalink

i tried for years to care about birthday party/nick cave, i really did. because i'm supposed to love him. i mean he's a part of my gen-x era underground dna or whatever. but i only really like the song "the mercy seat". and "shivers". and blixa. and i only really like "shivers" when that woman sings it on the dogs in space soundtrack.

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 17:47 (one month ago) Permalink


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