Reach Down, Hand In Your Pocket / POLL Out Some Hope For Me: Matchbox Twenty & Rob Thomas Singles

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― balls, Sunday, July 28, 2013 3:24 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"long day" has been stuck in my head since i heard it at the coffee shop a week ago. maybe this will help. i'm arbitrarily limiting the list to shit that at least showed up on one of the US charts, with an exception for "long day" since it got a lot of play later, after the album took off. is there anything to say about these guys? thomas's horrid over-emoting aside, they had at least a handful of okay tunes, and i'll never change the channel on "little wonders."

Poll Results

OptionVotes
MB20: Unwell 4
ROBT: Smooth (Santana feat. Rob Thomas) 3
ROBT: Lonely No More 2
MB20: 3 a.m. 2
MB20: How Far We've Come 1
MB20: Long Day 1
MB20: If You're Gone 1
(Other) 1
MB20: Push 1
MB20: Back 2 Good 1
MB20: These Hard Times 0
ROBT: Her Diamonds 0
ROBT: Someday 0
ROBT: Mockingbird 0
MB20: She's So Mean 0
MB20: Overjoyed 0
MB20: Our Song 0
ROBT: Little Wonders 0
ROBT: Streetcorner Symphony 0
MB20: Mad Season 0
MB20: Last Beautiful Girl 0
MB20: Disease 0
MB20: Bright Lights 0
MB20: Downfall 0
MB20: Real World 0
ROBT: This Is How A Heart Breaks 0
ROBT: Ever The Same 0
MB20: Bent 0


Harvey Manfrenjensenden (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 03:20 (two years ago) Permalink

This life ain't good enough

brimstead, Tuesday, 14 June 2016 03:31 (two years ago) Permalink

'Bent' is the only one of their songs I actually liked.

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 03:54 (two years ago) Permalink

3am for me, can't help it

i used to work in a miserable laundry, local am radio was the only thing kept me sane, that song was on the radio aaaaall the time

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 05:52 (two years ago) Permalink

"Lonely No More" and "Smooth" are total jams. Like "Long Day" too. But I think for some reason I'm voting for the riff of "Disease" which is awesome.

Hm. No. "Smooth".

oh, boy, .GIF! That's where I'm a Viking! (edwardo), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 09:13 (two years ago) Permalink

the only song of theirs I know by name is "Unwell" and I like it well enough, so that one.

droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 09:15 (two years ago) Permalink

I think I like this band a lot more in hindsight if I forget "Push" exists, because that one sucks and they were otherwise pretty tuneful for their time and type.

oh, boy, .GIF! That's where I'm a Viking! (edwardo), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 09:27 (two years ago) Permalink

I had "I'm not crazy, I'm just a little unwell" stuck in my head for a full calendar year, so it's obv Matchbox 20's best song.

The best song Rob Thomas has written and sung is obv "Lonely No More," which sounded weird and mysterious in spring '05 ("I don't wanna have to pay for this!"!!), as if he'd finally reckoned with the Latin pop explosion and the impact of his own "Smooth" six years too late.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 12:48 (two years ago) Permalink

I somehow always heard "I'm just a little impaired" as "I'm just a little inbred" and could never quite take it seriously, similar to my brief flirtation with thinking it was "Can I help you? I'm Ben!"

In general I kinda lean towards the Yourself Or Someone Like You singles (though not "Push"), which have that Cracked Rear View thing of a kinda ordinary, pedestrian rock band of their age, who happen to have a few decent tunes in them and have no idea that they're going to somehow land right in the middle of what pop listeners want out of a rock band in the late 90s. So at the time I kinda felt like "Bent" was a forced attempt to reclaim rock cred or something, and then "If You're Gone" sounded like a generic ballad that would have been a hit for anybody. I don't think that way now; so much of its hookitude does come from Thomas's swoony take on the post-grunge yarl, and it goes down pretty well. "Little Wonders," too, though sorta too smoothed-over with Disney-ready overdubs, is perfectly nice. A somewhat forgotten song from a very forgotten movie.

Harvey Manfrenjensenden (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 13:50 (two years ago) Permalink

I'm playing guitar in a 90s cover band right now that includes "3am" and "Real World" in its set list. They're at least preposterously easy to play, and the latter has reasonably clever lyrics.

a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 13:53 (two years ago) Permalink

Listening to "Unwell" now - is there some really pinched Autotune or something going on here? Thomas's voice sounds really different from how he sounds on their earlier hits.

Harvey Manfrenjensenden (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 14:02 (two years ago) Permalink

"smooth" -> "bent" -> "if you're gone" is a solid little run

k3vin k., Tuesday, 14 June 2016 14:37 (two years ago) Permalink

feels kind of unfair voting for smooth so i'll go with bent

k3vin k., Tuesday, 14 June 2016 14:38 (two years ago) Permalink

Probably my least favorite voice in the universe

moistest hoist (Spottie), Wednesday, 15 June 2016 17:28 (two years ago) Permalink

I hate every one of these songs.

moistest hoist (Spottie), Wednesday, 15 June 2016 17:28 (two years ago) Permalink

"bent" had always felt really weirdly constructed to me, which is why I've always liked it

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 June 2016 18:06 (two years ago) Permalink

i also think "how far we come" is a total jam and really stood out at the time given how terrible most of the solo rob singles are

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 June 2016 18:07 (two years ago) Permalink

I like the building momentum in the prechorus, and the different lyrics it gets each time. The real hook, for me.

Harvey Manfrenjensenden (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 15 June 2016 18:23 (two years ago) Permalink

(re: Bent)

Harvey Manfrenjensenden (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 15 June 2016 18:23 (two years ago) Permalink

"bent" had always felt really weirdly constructed to me, which is why I've always liked it

― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson),

Agreed, but the problem with "Bent" is Rob Thomas singing it

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 June 2016 18:27 (two years ago) Permalink

Out of curiosity, who might we put forward as a better singer for this band and their songs? Like, did they need a warmer, earthier, less clammy and creepy kind of frontman (like, well, Hootie) or would that have taken away something specific about their appeal in their moment? There were bands kinda occupying that space in the late 90s - Fastball, say, or, uh... Everything - but they never got nearly as big.

A little more applied grit and you basically arrive at Nickelback (who pretty much replaced and surpassed them, success-wise), which I can't see as any kind of improvement. Or would they have done better with someone wry, detached, and less tuneful?

Harvey Manfrenjensenden (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 15 June 2016 18:33 (two years ago) Permalink

i loathe "lonely no more" but that's bc at the time i worked in a carvel that would just play the adult alternative station during my 8 hour shift, i'd hear that song once every 45 minutes

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 June 2016 18:48 (two years ago) Permalink

i also hate "bright lights" bc it's a fake counting crows song that is inordinately shittier than the worst counting crows song

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 June 2016 18:49 (two years ago) Permalink

Surprised to see so much 'Smooth' championing. That Santana album is fucking odious (aside from the Michelle Branch single, which I like quite a bit).

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 15 June 2016 18:52 (two years ago) Permalink

the michelle branch single was from a different odious santana album

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 June 2016 18:53 (two years ago) Permalink

Agreed, but the problem with "Bent" is Rob Thomas singing it

i was going to disagree bc i really like the way he sings the verse but wow his singing on the bridge is prob some of the worst recorded noise ever

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 June 2016 18:54 (two years ago) Permalink

i was watching the "how far we've come" video and youtube's next suggestion was "mr. brightside," so i guess that's why i like it

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 June 2016 18:58 (two years ago) Permalink

i also really like "mad season" ok i'm done

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 June 2016 19:00 (two years ago) Permalink

the michelle branch single was from a different odious santana album

― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:53 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ahhhhhh, okay. So Supernatural is just straight garbage, then.

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 15 June 2016 19:08 (two years ago) Permalink

i used to think "slide" by goo goo dolls was matchbox 20.

smooth is for real heads only

brimstead, Wednesday, 15 June 2016 20:21 (two years ago) Permalink

i also think "how far we come" is a total jam and really stood out at the time given how terrible most of the solo rob singles are

― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, June 15, 2016 2:07 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah that song was awesome, and North was a really strong album, i feel like they kind of belatedly became a good band after people stopped paying attention

Dierks Bentley's Holistic Detective Agency (some dude), Wednesday, 15 June 2016 20:26 (two years ago) Permalink

I think we're scraping the bottom of the barrel with these polls.

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 15 June 2016 20:35 (two years ago) Permalink

Hey Snrub, what did you hope to learn about here?

Harvey Manfrenjensenden (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 15 June 2016 20:41 (two years ago) Permalink

this is cracking me up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMccrqb8HB0

hackshaw, Sunday, 19 June 2016 01:05 (two years ago) Permalink

Re: having a different singer, my wife likes MB20 because of Thomas' excitement when he's performing. Personally I only like the first album, Mad Season I got for $2 and couldn't find anything on it worth saving.

And the songs I really like on Yourself or Someone Like You aren't singles ("Kody," "Busted").

Tom Violence, Sunday, 19 June 2016 02:43 (two years ago) Permalink

lonely no more is killer it just came up on random tbh

johnny crunch, Sunday, 19 June 2016 17:07 (two years ago) Permalink

outof 2000 songs

johnny crunch, Sunday, 19 June 2016 17:08 (two years ago) Permalink

I really can't seem to escape "Long Day" being stuck in my head! In particular the way he sings this very distinctive jumble of a lyric:

Well I'm surprised that you'd believe
In anything that comes from me
I didn't hear from you or from someone else
- and you're so
Set in life, man, a pisser-they're-waiting-too-damn-bad
You get so far so fast, so what, soooo long

Great song IMO. It got a lot of retroactive airplay after 3 a.m. and Push broke them, but if it'd actually been released and marketed after those songs I think it could have been a really huge hit. Not sure, but I suspect it may have also fallen victim to that Billboard "can't chart if a physical single isn't currently in print" deal. As it is it kind of got lost a bit and as I've said on other threads, when alt-rock radio went nu-metal and pop radio kind of shed rock songs, this and the other YOSLY songs more or less disappeared from rotation. It certainly deserved a better fate that, say, "Back 2 Good," which really did feel like "okay, we've squeezed one too many singles out of this pedestrian pop-rock record."

Harvey Manfrenjensenden (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 19 June 2016 18:47 (two years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Thursday, 30 June 2016 00:01 (one year ago) Permalink

Time falls away, in these small hours.

Harvey Manfrenjensenden (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 30 June 2016 02:50 (one year ago) Permalink

lol I included "Lonely No More" in my best of the year retrospective.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 June 2016 02:54 (one year ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Friday, 1 July 2016 00:01 (one year ago) Permalink

Nice. The only really surprising thing to me is that someone would vote for "Back 2 Good" which never clicked with me whatsoever, but hey. Thanks for voting, y'all!

Harvey Manfrenjensenden (Doctor Casino), Friday, 1 July 2016 00:16 (one year ago) Permalink

guess I failed to vote for bent

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 1 July 2016 00:24 (one year ago) Permalink

one year passes...

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