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Has anybody seen This Is Uncool: The 500 Greatest Singles Since Punk and Disco by Garry Mulholland yet? I have it and it's pretty...um, intriguing is probably a good way to put it.

M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 2 November 2002 03:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

(also: please don't post on this thread if you're going to decry lists and/or criticism in general)

M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 2 November 2002 03:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

The songs are in chronological order starting with "Anarchy in the UK" and "Car Wash" (both December 1976) and works its way to the end of 1999 (the final song is "Re-Rewind"). In between he ALMOST COMPLETELY IGNORES BREAKBEAT HARDCORE (um, sorry). His top five years are 1979 (55 entries), 1980 (43), 1981 (37), 1977 (35) and 1988 (31); his bottom seven are 1992 (8), 1997 (11), 1985, 1991, 1996, 1998 and
1999 (13 each).

M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 2 November 2002 03:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Read a review of this in Q or Uncut or something and it piqued (peaked?) my curiosity. I don't expect to agree with him on everything, but I'd be interested to read his choices.

Omiting Breakbeat Hardcore? No great loss.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 2 November 2002 04:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

haha fuck off you twunt.

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 2 November 2002 04:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

okay, that was kind of harsh.

piss off, you twunt.

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 2 November 2002 04:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

on a more serious note, the fact that it includes "rewind" at all is pretty cool. is it a british book michaelangelo? if so, that makes the breakbeat exclusion a little more baffling...no prodigy even?

i'm gonna take a look for this on the weekend so i can actually have an opinion on it.

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 2 November 2002 05:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes it's British. Jerry The Neppe Venette started a thread on it. It's quite flatly written from what I can glean from in-the-shop readthroughs. I'm sure all the records featured are good.

Tom (Groke), Saturday, 2 November 2002 09:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's oh so British. [insert random insult toward Britpop]

Where's that thread, Tom? I can't find it. And yes it's horribly flatly written (and chosen)

M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 2 November 2002 09:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Have you tried ILE?

Tom (Groke), Saturday, 2 November 2002 09:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

did a more extensive search (duh) and yes, it's there: This isn't cool

M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 2 November 2002 10:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
Just picked this up. Very nice. Two mentions of Killing Joke, no less. Take that, hataz!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 16:05 (twenty years ago) link

is it out in paperback yet ?

he'd like it on here wouldn't he ?

oh he's on bbc 6 doing 'my life in cd' this/next week.

piscesboy, Wednesday, 21 January 2004 16:27 (twenty years ago) link

It is out in paperback yeah. I'm holding off until the remainder price is low enough.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 16:29 (twenty years ago) link

two months pass...
Currently in Selectadisc Brewer St for £5.99 (hbk) - orig price £17.99.

Well worth it

bham, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 07:58 (nineteen years ago) link

It's in the HMV sale too.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 13:25 (nineteen years ago) link

hardback £4.97 at music zone and sellin v fast. i bought two copies.
current paperback price is at least three times that cost
(but has la burchill's 'book of the century' quote on it).

piscesboy, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 15:51 (nineteen years ago) link

god this book is lousy. forget the list/omissions/whatever--dude is not a particularly interesting writer. [insert insults here.]

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 19:48 (nineteen years ago) link

[or rather, insults directed at me/my writing here]

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 19:49 (nineteen years ago) link

That's kind of what I surmised from looking at it - what made you describe it as '...um, intriguing' upthread?

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 22:48 (nineteen years ago) link

haha probably the fact that I will never understand the English and their namby-pamby tastes in popular music

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 22:50 (nineteen years ago) link

(sez the guy who voted for the namby-pamby Postal Service album last year)

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 22:51 (nineteen years ago) link

anyway, "er, intriguing" = "slightly bonkers"

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 22:51 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
haha i just bought this today. if anything, so far, it reads like the whole freaky trigger aesthetic (maybe up to and including the year it was written, if not now) filtered through a very sort of dry "music writer" voice.* like, i agree with a lot of what he says, and the there are very few songs so far i outright dislike (most of the list mirrors my own taste kind of scarily), but...

(*i often worry this is what I sound like.)

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 23 May 2004 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link

(for some reason i thought michaelangelo PRAISED it on this thread, which is the only reason i bought it!)

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 23 May 2004 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link

oh well, the pictures are pretty

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 23 May 2004 19:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Based on reading it in-store I can only say it's better than Morley's lazy and repetitive 'Words and Music'. People in the UK hate Mulholland for their own reasons (Marcello esp has a problem with him) but this book really doesn't look too bad IMO. Absence of 'ardkore maybe down to it being a book abt charting 45s -- I'm sure the Prodigy is in there.

ENRQ (Enrique), Monday, 24 May 2004 08:49 (nineteen years ago) link

i agree. IT'S OKAY TO LIKE THIS BOOK, people

zebedee (zebedee), Monday, 24 May 2004 09:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Even if you don't like it?

Tim (Tim), Monday, 24 May 2004 09:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't hate Garry M - we frequently used to chat when he worked in the basement of Rhythm Records up in Camden back in the day, and he has written some good stuff elsewhere - but the writing in this book doesn't really catch fire and the 500 selections were I think a bit too predictable, in the "publisher-told-me-to-put-this-one-in-to-get-Hornby-fans-to-read-it" sense. Put it this way - if I didn't already have these singles, none of his pieces would inspire me to go out and buy them.

Neil Kulkarni's upcoming 100 Greatest Hip Hop Tracks Ever does the same thing, but much more unreasonably and passionately and therefore a zillion times better.

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 24 May 2004 09:33 (nineteen years ago) link

[on a purely technical level, 'wds and music' is one of the worst copy-edited books ever. two wrong spellings of xtina's surname ON ONE PAGE!]

Soz, Marcello, I must've got you confused w//... Ewing? Dunno. NK's book sounds brilliant. Has it got a date yet?

ENRQ (Enrique), Monday, 24 May 2004 09:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Out sometime in July, I think.

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 24 May 2004 09:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I was about to say, I must have this NK book. It will be genius by default.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 May 2004 15:35 (nineteen years ago) link

accrdng to amazon there's a kulkarni
'stories behind the great rap songs' book but no
'best 100 songs ever' thing. what's that about then?

piscesboy, Monday, 24 May 2004 15:56 (nineteen years ago) link

eight years pass...

Admittedly, this feels like some sort of FunnyOrDie video: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1828132368/uncool

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 10 November 2012 02:53 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

https://twitter.com/LukeHaines_News/status/271617685924761600

afriendlypioneer, Thursday, 3 January 2013 15:56 (eleven years ago) link

that initial video played out like some sort of next-level fourth-wall irony-fest without meaning to.

besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Thursday, 3 January 2013 16:03 (eleven years ago) link

damn, Stool Pigeon went in on a Kickstarter

finally rich, fun-packed, fulfilling (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 3 January 2013 16:04 (eleven years ago) link

Haha

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 3 January 2013 16:09 (eleven years ago) link

In following links I see there's something out there called The Magazine:

http://the-magazine.org/

I would like to propose The Site.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 3 January 2013 16:11 (eleven years ago) link

Fill it up with The Typing

Mark G, Thursday, 3 January 2013 16:25 (eleven years ago) link

thesite was a site.

besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Thursday, 3 January 2013 16:26 (eleven years ago) link

The Site 2.0, optimized for Chrome.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 3 January 2013 16:29 (eleven years ago) link

IMO the reason why something like Uncool would fail to generate excitement is because only music writers see music writing as an artform in itself.

besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Thursday, 3 January 2013 16:41 (eleven years ago) link

Let me expound on that for 4000 words while simultaneously telling you about this new vinyl reissue of a Poco sideproject I'm spinning while also tying it into my first festival experience.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 3 January 2013 16:42 (eleven years ago) link

Marathon Packs notes a few things:

http://marathonpacks.tumblr.com/post/39580410206/uncool

In response:

http://rawkblog.tumblr.com/post/39591968873/just-a-few-comments-on-erics-piece

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 3 January 2013 21:39 (eleven years ago) link

from a few weeks ago: http://jordansargent.tumblr.com/post/38124478147/uncools-problems

J0rdan S., Thursday, 3 January 2013 21:45 (eleven years ago) link

as i noted on ned's facebook the uncool dude's rawkblog site looks really really bad and maybe that's why nobody wanted to give them money.

scott seward, Thursday, 3 January 2013 21:57 (eleven years ago) link

i didn't mention this in what i wrote but one of their fatal mistakes -- maybe their most fatal -- was relying on the enthusiasm of other non-involved music writers to boost the cause while leading with this trolly, inflammatory manifesto

J0rdan S., Thursday, 3 January 2013 21:59 (eleven years ago) link

the whole reliance on "longform" as a selling point is unappealing to me. so what if it's long? just because you can write 5,000 words about something doesn't mean you should.

tylerw, Thursday, 3 January 2013 22:04 (eleven years ago) link

haha, it IS kinda funny for a selling point to be "these pieces are going to be REALLY long!" how many people could that possibly appeal to?

scott seward, Thursday, 3 January 2013 22:21 (eleven years ago) link

I LIKE longform writing but I have to like the writers and/or the subjects should be interesting. This promised neither.

this will surprise many (Nicole), Thursday, 3 January 2013 22:33 (eleven years ago) link

the whole thing was just barf from the beginning and the ensuing desperateness/defensiveness just made it so much worse

#guy #guy fieri #poop #hallway (zachlyon), Thursday, 3 January 2013 22:39 (eleven years ago) link

white bros

buzza, Friday, 4 January 2013 16:46 (eleven years ago) link

damn...serious hating.

scott seward, Friday, 4 January 2013 16:56 (eleven years ago) link

honestly this thing was doomed from the start simply because of THE CURSE OF THE OTT!

scott seward, Friday, 4 January 2013 16:56 (eleven years ago) link

damn she's not playing around

J0rdan S., Friday, 4 January 2013 17:00 (eleven years ago) link

confused as to why people like the girlboy blogger are so up in arms about this. whether it made it or not ... is it a big deal?

tylerw, Friday, 4 January 2013 17:00 (eleven years ago) link

They were going to save long article journalism Tyler! Or at least long article journalism about Mumford & Sons

curmudgeon, Friday, 4 January 2013 17:16 (eleven years ago) link

erika <3

lex pretend, Friday, 4 January 2013 17:18 (eleven years ago) link

sad uncool isn't happening

on/off-topic, love garry mulholland's writing in general, and This Is Uncool and its sequel in particular.

I had such a fontasy (stevie), Friday, 4 January 2013 17:51 (eleven years ago) link

"You stepped in shit, and then you kept on stepping in it, all the while asking me to pay money for the privilege of you tracking it into my house."

Ouch

Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 4 January 2013 17:52 (eleven years ago) link

"There is, it’s called my dashboard?"

s.clover, Friday, 4 January 2013 18:49 (eleven years ago) link

a magazine devoted to witches, disco, and breast milk! fully funded! the people have spoken.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2063409664/decades-magazine?ref=search

scott seward, Friday, 4 January 2013 19:24 (eleven years ago) link

man, a young adult magazine based on teen vampire/werewolves/etc if it were done well and had good short fiction? i'll bet you could raise a zillion dollars on kickstarter. just in case anyone is looking for a magazine to start. kinda goth, kinda hip, bloody fashion spreads, it would sell itself.

scott seward, Friday, 4 January 2013 19:27 (eleven years ago) link

Issue one will also features two fashion editorials. One: A Beet Stain fashion spread, in which a glamorous woman is in her kitchen, devouring beets in agony. The image embodies the Decades message by blending a beautiful woman in a gorgeous outfit, with the delicious root vegetable of beets. The beets take a morbid turn when they are squeezed and falling out of her mouth as if it were human flesh. Two: A goth inspired shoot staring artist Quintessa Matragna.

Look and learn, Uncool.

Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 4 January 2013 19:51 (eleven years ago) link

honestly this thing was doomed from the start simply because of THE CURSE OF THE OTT!

― scott seward, Friday, January 4, 2013 11:56 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

an eagle named "small government" (call all destroyer), Friday, 4 January 2013 19:55 (eleven years ago) link

well to be fair uncool did raise $9k and decades only needed $7k

maura, Friday, 4 January 2013 21:01 (eleven years ago) link

man, a young adult magazine based on teen vampire/werewolves/etc if it were done well and had good short fiction? i'll bet you could raise a zillion dollars on kickstarter. just in case anyone is looking for a magazine to start. kinda goth, kinda hip, bloody fashion spreads, it would sell itself.

― scott seward, Friday, January 4, 2013 2:27 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

OTM, this is already 70% of the bookstore based on recent visits

~farben~ (Jon Lewis), Friday, 4 January 2013 21:04 (eleven years ago) link

wait, Decades is my friend's magazine! She is a rad young person!

sarahell, Friday, 4 January 2013 21:05 (eleven years ago) link

their video is funny. and yeah they didn't have to raise as much money. i kinda like more realistic goals on kickstarter. and the magazine itself is not that huge. 60 pages or so. its a compact creative idea for a certain type of person. some sort of POV/aesthetic is needed if you want money. "long articles about music" just doesn't sound that thrilling.

scott seward, Friday, 4 January 2013 21:12 (eleven years ago) link

i mean it doesn't thrill ME and i'm supposed to like stuff like that.

scott seward, Friday, 4 January 2013 21:13 (eleven years ago) link

Maybe if it was music that people tend not to write much about? I dunno. My attention span has been seriously depleted in the last couple years.

sarahell, Friday, 4 January 2013 21:17 (eleven years ago) link

its true that if i smell indie rock i tend to run in the other direction...

i like scott t. though! he was gonna write for uncool. nice guy, ilxor, good writer, wrote an interesting book about one of the few 90's indie rock albums that i would read an entire book about.

scott seward, Friday, 4 January 2013 21:21 (eleven years ago) link

I'd read longform indie rock articles if there were also articles about things other than indie rock that made me feel like a thoughtful person -- like science fiction movies, or Doctor Who companions, or urban planning, or turn of the century machine politics.

sarahell, Friday, 4 January 2013 21:34 (eleven years ago) link

as j0rd pointed out the “a site that understands that Taylor Swift, Animal Collective and Lil B are all worth writing about” line is especially funny, not just because as he said there are sites that do that already but because it's a little quaint how they aimed for the 2012 zeitgeist and hit the 2010 nail right on the head

some dude, Friday, 4 January 2013 23:25 (eleven years ago) link

thanks scott.

I won't speak for Dave or Dan about all the schadenfreude so many people are experiencing right now. As far as I'm concerned, I really would have enjoyed writing some articles for them. I also would have enjoyed getting paid. Oh well, now I'll go back to writing for myself and not getting paid for it.

scott pgwp (pgwp), Friday, 4 January 2013 23:31 (eleven years ago) link

It needed Dave Cool on board.

Doran, Saturday, 5 January 2013 01:11 (eleven years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/zi7hd.gif

hemioblock (The Reverend), Saturday, 5 January 2013 01:16 (eleven years ago) link

Ayyyy!

Doran, Saturday, 5 January 2013 01:17 (eleven years ago) link

Taylor Swift, Animal Collective and Lil B

feel like i don't know anybody irl who listens to any of these bands yet i don't know anyone on the internet who doesn't seem to listen to all of them

sleepingbag, Saturday, 5 January 2013 01:51 (eleven years ago) link

yes, taylor swift, noted internet phenom,

s.clover, Saturday, 5 January 2013 02:36 (eleven years ago) link

everyone loves T-Swift. in their hearts.

scott seward, Saturday, 5 January 2013 02:47 (eleven years ago) link


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