lush post-1970 soul music from motown / tamala / atlantic is the best shit ever

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I'm talking rhythm sections at least 6 deep, strings, horns, pianos, tremolo guitars, angelic back up singers and some of the the most badass singers ever doing really complex/inventive/beautiful shit. thinking early solo smokey, post-temptations eddie kendricks and david ruffin, gladys knight and the pips, roberta flack. this might be my favorite music ever. like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5KN9AdrfdM

Heez, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 03:21 (three years ago) link

i could listen to the last 2:30 of that song on a constant loop forever

Heez, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 03:22 (three years ago) link

this one's stunning. and the outro is just

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ6_ZGziVwg

Heez, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 03:25 (three years ago) link

anyway looking for some deep cuts

Heez, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 03:26 (three years ago) link

not a deep cut

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4IBIfFK7UA

Heez, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 03:27 (three years ago) link

i like this stuff too but isn't the standard line that this is what killed soul music commercially?

the late great, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 03:35 (three years ago) link

No idea but I would totally read a book about this period

Heez, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 03:40 (three years ago) link

smokey's the most impressive to me. i'm not super up on the trends at the time but listening back he seems so adept at flowing with the changing styles. i guess i could see how a song like this could feel clunky (native-american chants!!) at the time but there's just too much good stuff going on to ignore it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih4WdQzm9dU

Heez, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 03:49 (three years ago) link

and then into the marvin inspired quiet storm era that is completely unfuckwithable

Heez, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 03:49 (three years ago) link

was anybody other than Isaac hayes doing this stuff at stax? there must be someone else willie hutch was working with

Heez, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 03:58 (three years ago) link

feeling this isaac right now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOVVwB12jSA

Heez, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 04:19 (three years ago) link

eddie kendricks might be the most underrated of this bunch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVS0TIW1JIk

Heez, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 04:49 (three years ago) link

i mean this is possibly the best song ever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixy7uxMjbDs

Heez, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 04:52 (three years ago) link

yessss eddie is the best

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dIUVS1yiGCc

dc, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 11:46 (three years ago) link

Great thread idea. I love Eddie Kendricks and I'm delighted to see Please Don't Go Away picked as the first song. Such an underrated singer.

I was buying a few Barry White records at a record fair a few years ago and the guy selling them turned me on to Greg Perry. He only has two albums which are both brilliant. The two songs that end his second album, Smokin' might fit in here. Amazing backing vocals and some of the best production I've ever heard.

https://youtu.be/1ZtQivd797k

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 15:04 (three years ago) link

This is another great Greg Perry song from his first album. When the bass properly comes in at 1.40 is one of my favourite moments in music ever.

https://youtu.be/V-FJ1F3r9mI

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 15:07 (three years ago) link

More incredible production from The Stairsteps (formally The Five Stairsteps who did Ooh Child). The whole album is so lush and perfect.

https://youtu.be/i92iSGMCQhE

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 15:11 (three years ago) link

Another favourite of mine from Milton Wright's excellent second album, Spaced from 77. This is as beautiful as music gets for me.

https://youtu.be/AFcyG7kNa8s

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 15:13 (three years ago) link

Nice KP! Found the Greg Perry on Spotify and I'm digging it

Heez, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 20:48 (three years ago) link

A great live album on Spotify that fits this somewhat is Gladys knight and the pips live at the roxy from 1980. It has Gladys wading out into the crowd only to run into Stevie wonder and Dionne Warwick for guest vocals

Heez, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 20:53 (three years ago) link

Vince Aletti gave it a name in a Rolling Stone review at the time (can't remember who--Al Green, maybe): neoclassical soul. My favourite music in the world for a long time (drifted away the past few years).

clemenza, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 20:56 (three years ago) link

I have the Philadelphia International 10CD box set (and the 3CD Tom Moulton mixes accompaniment) and there's some smooth and lovely stuff on those.

michaellambert, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 20:56 (three years ago) link

this could just become an eddie kendricks appreciation thread. "Any Day Now" is such a well made song. how do they make this shit so perfect?!?!

Heez, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 04:26 (three years ago) link

Nice KP! Found the Greg Perry on Spotify and I'm digging it

― Heez,

So glad you're enjoying it. I love this kind of stuff and will be following the thread, even if does turn into nothing but talk about how amazing Eddie Kendricks is.

Kitchen Person, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 14:06 (three years ago) link

bump

curmudgeon, Friday, 1 April 2016 15:37 (three years ago) link

Would you consider Barry White to fall into this category or are you drawing a line between soul and smooth R&B?

human life won't become a cat (man alive), Friday, 1 April 2016 15:55 (three years ago) link

Useful thread this.

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Friday, 1 April 2016 16:13 (three years ago) link

Yeah i don't know much about Barry White so I'm not sure how he fits! I guess what I was trying to go for with this thread was to find more stuff from this period of Soul/R&B where you had these labels that were generally doing these <4:00 pop songs start stretching out and really pushing into this new creative territory. It seemed to happen around the same time as some of the bigger name talents like Smokey and the Miracles and the Temptations were breaking up and trying something new - https://youtu.be/f1fRlHSA3bw. I curious about what was fueling this. Was it internal? I mean Marvin and Stevie are clearly trailblazing in a lot of ways. Also I think I'm more interested in the period right before the Quiet Storm era when they were still going for POP and less vibing out, but I love that stuff immensely too and it's hard to draw a line there. Anyway I've been obsessed with this recently and want to know more.

Heez, Friday, 1 April 2016 17:56 (three years ago) link

gonna drive around and blast this all summer with my windows down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bctA5oPNj4Y

Heez, Friday, 1 April 2016 17:58 (three years ago) link

Didn't realize that it's DC's own the Young Senators backing Kendricks on "Keep on Truckin'"

Heez, Sunday, 3 April 2016 03:31 (three years ago) link

Heez, would this qualify as what you're talking about, for example?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kochGJdqvcg&list=RDkochGJdqvcg

human life won't become a cat (man alive), Sunday, 3 April 2016 03:34 (three years ago) link

speaking of DC's own, picked this record up at the friendly CDepot just this morning:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sk-Mn0C_bxE

dc, Sunday, 3 April 2016 03:49 (three years ago) link

oh god yeah! never heard this. only heard later period barry white maybe.

Heez, Sunday, 3 April 2016 03:50 (three years ago) link

yeah that record is prob my favorite barry white

human life won't become a cat (man alive), Sunday, 3 April 2016 03:51 (three years ago) link

he had a 40-piece orchestra called the love unlimited orchestra. yes that definitely qualifies

Heez, Sunday, 3 April 2016 03:52 (three years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev2QTgehWkM

larry appleton, Sunday, 3 April 2016 03:52 (three years ago) link

dc, i found a record store in district heights, md called memory lane records and it's basically heaven for this type of shit

Heez, Sunday, 3 April 2016 03:54 (three years ago) link

Heez you might also like early Hall & Oates (h/t sund4r for this vid):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=si03zdG6Twk

human life won't become a cat (man alive), Sunday, 3 April 2016 03:56 (three years ago) link

There goes all my money. Thanks!

dc, Sunday, 3 April 2016 03:57 (three years ago) link

whoa who is 21st century? that's great

Heez, Sunday, 3 April 2016 03:59 (three years ago) link

Actually the album version might be closer to the sound you want

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-msVGwWIh8U

human life won't become a cat (man alive), Sunday, 3 April 2016 04:07 (three years ago) link

nice i've always wondered about hall & oates but never dug in.

I got 3 eddie kendricks albums, blue lights in the basement, the isaac hayes movement, pure smokey, and fullfillingness' first finale in like 5 minutes at this record store and had to make myself leave

Heez, Sunday, 3 April 2016 04:12 (three years ago) link

Also you may find some overlap with the stuff recommended in this thread that I started a while back:
Recommend me some simmering soul tracks like "Thin Line Between Love and Hate" and "Walk on By"

human life won't become a cat (man alive), Sunday, 3 April 2016 04:18 (three years ago) link

Somehow I manage to do damage even at cdepot, which is kind of a mess. Mostly jazz today, though.

That 21st Century is great.

dc, Sunday, 3 April 2016 04:19 (three years ago) link

nice. i was having a hard time finding threads on this. this gladys knight and the pips live album is really worth checking out

https://open.spotify.com/track/78jtejv9Uic44cE2ndNBhb

Heez, Sunday, 3 April 2016 04:27 (three years ago) link

How did we get so deep into this thread without someone mentioning The O'Jays?

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 3 April 2016 04:53 (three years ago) link

And the chi-lites!

dc, Sunday, 3 April 2016 04:58 (three years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIfQpzzTfio

here's another good one from 21st Century

larry appleton, Sunday, 3 April 2016 05:01 (three years ago) link

yeah o'jays are one i've been meaning to check out. for some reason i associate them with the psychedelic side of this stuff

Heez, Sunday, 3 April 2016 05:53 (three years ago) link

chi-lites a letter to myself album sounds perfect!

Heez, Sunday, 3 April 2016 05:56 (three years ago) link

yeah the sister sledge is nice. phily soul is probably what first hooked me on the stuff. i remember the arrangement to "ready or not" flooring me when i first heard it.

Heez, Sunday, 3 April 2016 22:10 (three years ago) link

and yes charlie rich and a lot of the pre-outlaw stuff hit's the same vein for me. in fact, wasn't it this stuff that inspired the stripped down outlaw period?

Heez, Sunday, 3 April 2016 22:15 (three years ago) link

this is my fave rich/sherrill jam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Azui-cs9DQ

Heez, Sunday, 3 April 2016 22:17 (three years ago) link

wow, Kendricks is great (I also love how it rhymes with Hendrix)

I could listen to the beat on this one for days:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg48iWKKC0s

calstars, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 00:24 (three years ago) link

That album is probably the best of his, but they're all so good.

Heez, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 00:40 (three years ago) link

Heez blowing my mind with this thread. CHI-LITES

calstars, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 00:45 (three years ago) link

http://youtu.be/EqMk57Scxu0

sciatica, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 01:00 (three years ago) link

want to play bass like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_iOr49DJ8U

Heez, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 02:31 (three years ago) link

and this one's a beauty. the drums!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBZ9jgvcCqo

Heez, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 02:38 (three years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X23t2MCZsHE

calstars, Wednesday, 6 April 2016 16:17 (three years ago) link

mandrill doing some good shit around this time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIoQDDoVElg

Heez, Saturday, 9 April 2016 05:03 (three years ago) link

i swear someone sampled this but i'm not finding anything. maybe the beginning just sounds like a portishead song or something

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK8F51cIFn8

Heez, Saturday, 9 April 2016 05:21 (three years ago) link

This is a good retrospective of Kendricks's solo career: http://soultrain.com/2015/12/22/soul-retrospective-eddie-kendricks/

Sounds like co-producers Leonard Caston and Frank Wilson played a big part on his better early material.

Heez, Monday, 11 April 2016 15:27 (three years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5BJmtHCyc8

larry appleton, Friday, 22 April 2016 19:04 (three years ago) link

wow, that's beautiful

calstars, Friday, 22 April 2016 19:30 (three years ago) link

This track by Buddy Miles is one I recently came across. It's lush.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCwBhbhbok8

earlnash, Friday, 22 April 2016 19:47 (three years ago) link

Dunno if these fit entirely (too gospel? too disco?) but they are 1970s and they are lush and I love them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKEdTikamG4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp1HdiRGA7Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rcz_TG-qY_8

tay.ai fan (seandalai), Saturday, 23 April 2016 01:09 (three years ago) link

niiiiiiice. i totally support disco era lushness here. it gives me an excuse to post one of my favorite songs ever:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ_0sof4kLE

Heez, Saturday, 23 April 2016 01:50 (three years ago) link

That Caston & Majors track is stunning.

rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 26 April 2016 04:07 (three years ago) link

The Caston & Majors album is great all the way through. Think it got reissued a couple of years ago.

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 26 April 2016 15:23 (three years ago) link

Not on Spotify or iTunes.

rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 26 April 2016 15:26 (three years ago) link

Yeah it was buried by Motown first time round and the reissue is kind of hidden too (insofar as not releasing it digitally counts as hiding).

tay.ai fan (seandalai), Tuesday, 26 April 2016 20:37 (three years ago) link

Thanks guys, especially Heez, and speaking of Charlie Rich, and what Elvis, Jimmy Webb (incl. songs for Glenn Campbell), Dusty Springfield and Van Morrison, for that matter, were getting to or toward in that era, maybe try Sturgill Simpson's new A Sailor's Guide To Earth: he's been listening deep, for his own purposes, which ain't just retro.

dow, Tuesday, 26 April 2016 21:29 (three years ago) link

Also, of course, if nobody's mentioned it yet, Isaac Hayes's epic reverie re "By The Time I Get To Phoenix."

dow, Tuesday, 26 April 2016 21:31 (three years ago) link

this is the best thread thank you all

marcos, Tuesday, 26 April 2016 21:34 (three years ago) link

im going through and listening to every tune itt and they are all good

marcos, Tuesday, 26 April 2016 21:34 (three years ago) link

two months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOgNWZspl6U

Heez, Thursday, 7 July 2016 04:55 (three years ago) link

wow now i'm on "a friends place" and damn i didn't know the shaft soundtrack had so many dope mellow tunes

Heez, Thursday, 7 July 2016 05:00 (three years ago) link

two months pass...

Bookmarkers: have you noticed that we have a poll going on about all this stuff and much more?

LET'S GET IT ON! It's the ~~~ 1970s SOUL ALBUMS POLL ~~~ NOMINATIONS AND CAMPAIGNING THREAD

ArchCarrier, Saturday, 24 September 2016 06:05 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Voting thread:

~~~ ILM 1970s SOUL/FUNK/DISCO ALBUMS POLL ~~~

ArchCarrier, Monday, 10 October 2016 08:16 (three years ago) link

five months pass...

So much funk, so little time

calstars, Friday, 17 March 2017 16:15 (two years ago) link

plus soul and disco, with nominations due by March 27

curmudgeon, Friday, 17 March 2017 20:58 (two years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Props to this thread for making me aware of the brilliance of Eddie Kendricks.

This is beautiful:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcdAuxmohv8

chap, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 13:00 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

It's a shame most of these links are dead. I heard an Eddie Hendricks tune I liked a few months ago and was hoping for some help navigating his very large catalog. All I know is "Keep on Truckin'"

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 01:04 (seven months ago) link

people...hold on is a classic, i'd start there. if you haven't heard 'girl, you need a change of mind' before, i'm jealous.

voodoo chili, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 01:22 (seven months ago) link

Thanks!

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 05:47 (seven months ago) link

if you haven't heard 'girl, you need a change of mind' before, i'm jealous.

This is what I posted before the time jump. I'm also very fond of Date With the Rain and Goin Up in Smoke.

chap, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 10:50 (seven months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAjNgDt-10s

seandalai, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 12:00 (seven months ago) link

Let the beat build

voodoo chili, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 12:34 (seven months ago) link

five months pass...

Smokey duet with Claudette Robinson - Wine, Women and Song

https://youtu.be/_iRiGqYeoQ4

Heez, Monday, 30 September 2019 03:08 (two months ago) link

The Main Ingredient - "Euphrates"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXB1Ys7367M

enochroot, Monday, 30 September 2019 17:52 (two months ago) link

Stylistics haven't been mentioned, do they count? I don't think I'd heard the long version of "People Make the World Go Round" before, and I'm now listening to it for the third time today.

A breezy pop-rock feel fairly typical of the mid-'80s (Dan Peterson), Monday, 30 September 2019 18:44 (two months ago) link

these are some of the finest lyrics to a quiet storm sex jam i've ever heard

smokey robinson "travelin through"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCFs1WSN5ro

Heez, Monday, 30 September 2019 19:00 (two months ago) link

pleased to see love for mid-late 70s smokey here. those albums are so underrated.

really like smokey's family robinson. the first cut finds smokey deep in the funk. flute solo!

his first proper solo album still hangs high as my favorite though. not least of all for this amazing medley.

also: inventor of quiet storm whose forgotten deep cuts blow away most of the competition. hell yes.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 30 September 2019 21:16 (two months ago) link

I've started cross-reading Tim Lawrence's massive Love Will Save The Day---A History of New York dance Culture: 1970-1979 and Vince Aletti's The Disco Files 1973-1978: New York's underground, week by week: so far, a lot of what yall are talking about here is just now being or about to be recorded, but right from the beginning, the writers and their DJ and dancing colleagues/interviewees are zooming in on album tracks re length, flow and sonic depth, with 12" singles still several years away. And yeah, Philadelphia International, Eddie Kendricks, Barry White are def seized on right away.
From the Aretha Franklin in the 1970s thread:
Let Me In Your Life was really striking, w variety unified by dynamics, detail, atmosphere: title track by Bill Withers, incl. the suddenly quiet, dead-on bridge before the resurge---will she scare him away? "Every Natural Thing" by Eddie Hinton, couple originals, with "If You Don't Think" especially appealing, rhythmically suave and flirtatious (confident!) xpost "Til You Come Back To Me" by Stevie (and others), country soul "With Pen In Hand," rocking 60s Aretha "Eight Days On The Road," rippling, hovering "A Song For You"(prob. overrecorded, but her version is the keeper)---smoking the 70s with Cornell Dupree, Pretty Purdie, Deodato, Donnie Hathaway, Joe Farrell, many others,

― dow, Sunday, 20 May 2018 19:53 (one year ago) link

xgau's take, from Rock Records of the 70s or whatever:

Aretha Franklin: Let Me in Your Life [Atlantic, 1974]
Welcome Tom and Jerry (Dowd and Wexler) back--this isn't great Aretha, but it rocks steady even on the ballads. If she doesn't get away with "The Masquerade Is Over," she does renew "A Song for You" with a fresh electric piano part and a good helping of indiscreet interpretation. Guided indiscretion, that's the key--her great gift is her voice, but her genius is her bad taste. B+ ****Fuck the grade, but he's not entirely wrong, like she does justify "What A Fool Believes" and a number of other kitschy choices over the years.

― dow, Sunday, 20 May 2018 19:58 (one year ago) link

Young, Gifted & Black is an astonishing album. Daydreaming! All The Kings Horses!

― Lou Grant, the Iranian cinema of late '70s TV (stevie), Sunday, 20 May 2018 19:59 (one year ago) link

oooh I haven't heard "If You Don't Think" in ages

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 20 May 2018 20:14 (one year ago) link

Young, Gifted & Black, Spirit In The Dark and Sparkle are the only 70s albums I have of hers. They're all fantastic. I need to check out some of the others.

― kitchen person, Sunday, 20 May 2018 20:21 (one year ago) link

dow, Monday, 30 September 2019 22:18 (two months ago) link

Let Me In Your Life has the same appeal to me as Harold Melvin & The Blue Notes when Teddy Pendergrass was in there: the rowdy voice driving through/grooving with the lush layers

dow, Monday, 30 September 2019 22:24 (two months ago) link

Austin, those are some of my favorite Smokey tracks

Heez, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 01:37 (two months ago) link

dow, have you seen James Hamilton's Disco Page? It's maintained by ILXor Mike-t-Diva, and it's the perfect companion to the books you're reading when you get to 1975.

ArchCarrier, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 07:38 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

This is lush. One of the lost Hot Wax releases that are currently getting re-released.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3pRF-sdaEc

Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Saturday, 30 November 2019 11:18 (two weeks ago) link


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