lush post-1970 soul music from motown / tamala / atlantic is the best shit ever

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I'm talking rhythm sections at least 6 deep, strings, horns, pianos, tremolo guitars, angelic back up singers and some of the the most badass singers ever doing really complex/inventive/beautiful shit. thinking early solo smokey, post-temptations eddie kendricks and david ruffin, gladys knight and the pips, roberta flack. this might be my favorite music ever. like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5KN9AdrfdM

Heez, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 03:21 (one year ago) Permalink

i could listen to the last 2:30 of that song on a constant loop forever

Heez, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 03:22 (one year ago) Permalink

this one's stunning. and the outro is just

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ6_ZGziVwg

Heez, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 03:25 (one year ago) Permalink

anyway looking for some deep cuts

Heez, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 03:26 (one year ago) Permalink

not a deep cut

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4IBIfFK7UA

Heez, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 03:27 (one year ago) Permalink

i like this stuff too but isn't the standard line that this is what killed soul music commercially?

the late great, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 03:35 (one year ago) Permalink

No idea but I would totally read a book about this period

Heez, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 03:40 (one year ago) Permalink

smokey's the most impressive to me. i'm not super up on the trends at the time but listening back he seems so adept at flowing with the changing styles. i guess i could see how a song like this could feel clunky (native-american chants!!) at the time but there's just too much good stuff going on to ignore it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih4WdQzm9dU

Heez, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 03:49 (one year ago) Permalink

and then into the marvin inspired quiet storm era that is completely unfuckwithable

Heez, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 03:49 (one year ago) Permalink

was anybody other than Isaac hayes doing this stuff at stax? there must be someone else willie hutch was working with

Heez, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 03:58 (one year ago) Permalink

feeling this isaac right now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOVVwB12jSA

Heez, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 04:19 (one year ago) Permalink

eddie kendricks might be the most underrated of this bunch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVS0TIW1JIk

Heez, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 04:49 (one year ago) Permalink

i mean this is possibly the best song ever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixy7uxMjbDs

Heez, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 04:52 (one year ago) Permalink

yessss eddie is the best

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dIUVS1yiGCc

dc, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 11:46 (one year ago) Permalink

Great thread idea. I love Eddie Kendricks and I'm delighted to see Please Don't Go Away picked as the first song. Such an underrated singer.

I was buying a few Barry White records at a record fair a few years ago and the guy selling them turned me on to Greg Perry. He only has two albums which are both brilliant. The two songs that end his second album, Smokin' might fit in here. Amazing backing vocals and some of the best production I've ever heard.

https://youtu.be/1ZtQivd797k

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 15:04 (one year ago) Permalink

This is another great Greg Perry song from his first album. When the bass properly comes in at 1.40 is one of my favourite moments in music ever.

https://youtu.be/V-FJ1F3r9mI

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 15:07 (one year ago) Permalink

More incredible production from The Stairsteps (formally The Five Stairsteps who did Ooh Child). The whole album is so lush and perfect.

https://youtu.be/i92iSGMCQhE

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 15:11 (one year ago) Permalink

Another favourite of mine from Milton Wright's excellent second album, Spaced from 77. This is as beautiful as music gets for me.

https://youtu.be/AFcyG7kNa8s

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 15:13 (one year ago) Permalink

Nice KP! Found the Greg Perry on Spotify and I'm digging it

Heez, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 20:48 (one year ago) Permalink

A great live album on Spotify that fits this somewhat is Gladys knight and the pips live at the roxy from 1980. It has Gladys wading out into the crowd only to run into Stevie wonder and Dionne Warwick for guest vocals

Heez, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 20:53 (one year ago) Permalink

Vince Aletti gave it a name in a Rolling Stone review at the time (can't remember who--Al Green, maybe): neoclassical soul. My favourite music in the world for a long time (drifted away the past few years).

clemenza, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 20:56 (one year ago) Permalink

I have the Philadelphia International 10CD box set (and the 3CD Tom Moulton mixes accompaniment) and there's some smooth and lovely stuff on those.

michaellambert, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 20:56 (one year ago) Permalink

this could just become an eddie kendricks appreciation thread. "Any Day Now" is such a well made song. how do they make this shit so perfect?!?!

Heez, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 04:26 (one year ago) Permalink

Nice KP! Found the Greg Perry on Spotify and I'm digging it

― Heez,

So glad you're enjoying it. I love this kind of stuff and will be following the thread, even if does turn into nothing but talk about how amazing Eddie Kendricks is.

Kitchen Person, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 14:06 (one year ago) Permalink

bump

curmudgeon, Friday, 1 April 2016 15:37 (one year ago) Permalink

Would you consider Barry White to fall into this category or are you drawing a line between soul and smooth R&B?

human life won't become a cat (man alive), Friday, 1 April 2016 15:55 (one year ago) Permalink

Useful thread this.

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Friday, 1 April 2016 16:13 (one year ago) Permalink

Yeah i don't know much about Barry White so I'm not sure how he fits! I guess what I was trying to go for with this thread was to find more stuff from this period of Soul/R&B where you had these labels that were generally doing these <4:00 pop songs start stretching out and really pushing into this new creative territory. It seemed to happen around the same time as some of the bigger name talents like Smokey and the Miracles and the Temptations were breaking up and trying something new - https://youtu.be/f1fRlHSA3bw. I curious about what was fueling this. Was it internal? I mean Marvin and Stevie are clearly trailblazing in a lot of ways. Also I think I'm more interested in the period right before the Quiet Storm era when they were still going for POP and less vibing out, but I love that stuff immensely too and it's hard to draw a line there. Anyway I've been obsessed with this recently and want to know more.

Heez, Friday, 1 April 2016 17:56 (one year ago) Permalink

gonna drive around and blast this all summer with my windows down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bctA5oPNj4Y

Heez, Friday, 1 April 2016 17:58 (one year ago) Permalink

Didn't realize that it's DC's own the Young Senators backing Kendricks on "Keep on Truckin'"

Heez, Sunday, 3 April 2016 03:31 (one year ago) Permalink

Heez, would this qualify as what you're talking about, for example?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kochGJdqvcg&list=RDkochGJdqvcg

human life won't become a cat (man alive), Sunday, 3 April 2016 03:34 (one year ago) Permalink

speaking of DC's own, picked this record up at the friendly CDepot just this morning:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sk-Mn0C_bxE

dc, Sunday, 3 April 2016 03:49 (one year ago) Permalink

oh god yeah! never heard this. only heard later period barry white maybe.

Heez, Sunday, 3 April 2016 03:50 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah that record is prob my favorite barry white

human life won't become a cat (man alive), Sunday, 3 April 2016 03:51 (one year ago) Permalink

he had a 40-piece orchestra called the love unlimited orchestra. yes that definitely qualifies

Heez, Sunday, 3 April 2016 03:52 (one year ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev2QTgehWkM

larry appleton, Sunday, 3 April 2016 03:52 (one year ago) Permalink

dc, i found a record store in district heights, md called memory lane records and it's basically heaven for this type of shit

Heez, Sunday, 3 April 2016 03:54 (one year ago) Permalink

Heez you might also like early Hall & Oates (h/t sund4r for this vid):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=si03zdG6Twk

human life won't become a cat (man alive), Sunday, 3 April 2016 03:56 (one year ago) Permalink

There goes all my money. Thanks!

dc, Sunday, 3 April 2016 03:57 (one year ago) Permalink

whoa who is 21st century? that's great

Heez, Sunday, 3 April 2016 03:59 (one year ago) Permalink

Actually the album version might be closer to the sound you want

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-msVGwWIh8U

human life won't become a cat (man alive), Sunday, 3 April 2016 04:07 (one year ago) Permalink

nice i've always wondered about hall & oates but never dug in.

I got 3 eddie kendricks albums, blue lights in the basement, the isaac hayes movement, pure smokey, and fullfillingness' first finale in like 5 minutes at this record store and had to make myself leave

Heez, Sunday, 3 April 2016 04:12 (one year ago) Permalink

Also you may find some overlap with the stuff recommended in this thread that I started a while back:
Recommend me some simmering soul tracks like "Thin Line Between Love and Hate" and "Walk on By"

human life won't become a cat (man alive), Sunday, 3 April 2016 04:18 (one year ago) Permalink

Somehow I manage to do damage even at cdepot, which is kind of a mess. Mostly jazz today, though.

That 21st Century is great.

dc, Sunday, 3 April 2016 04:19 (one year ago) Permalink

nice. i was having a hard time finding threads on this. this gladys knight and the pips live album is really worth checking out

https://open.spotify.com/track/78jtejv9Uic44cE2ndNBhb

Heez, Sunday, 3 April 2016 04:27 (one year ago) Permalink

How did we get so deep into this thread without someone mentioning The O'Jays?

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 3 April 2016 04:53 (one year ago) Permalink

And the chi-lites!

dc, Sunday, 3 April 2016 04:58 (one year ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIfQpzzTfio

here's another good one from 21st Century

larry appleton, Sunday, 3 April 2016 05:01 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah o'jays are one i've been meaning to check out. for some reason i associate them with the psychedelic side of this stuff

Heez, Sunday, 3 April 2016 05:53 (one year ago) Permalink

chi-lites a letter to myself album sounds perfect!

Heez, Sunday, 3 April 2016 05:56 (one year ago) Permalink

jesus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkPdOxUBGwU

Heez, Sunday, 3 April 2016 05:59 (one year ago) Permalink

^great track

human life won't become a cat (man alive), Sunday, 3 April 2016 06:06 (one year ago) Permalink

I got to think that getting to 16 track recording is a big part of this type sound. You have a similar thread of strings being used on classic blues artists like BB King and Bobby Blue Bland along with the 'countrypolitan' productions of Billy Sherrill for Charlie Rich and George Jones.

earlnash, Sunday, 3 April 2016 13:20 (one year ago) Permalink

best listening to that album all week. lots of gwen guthrie songs. every motown and philly soul trick in the book.

scott seward, Sunday, 3 April 2016 18:19 (one year ago) Permalink

Yeah, speaking of Philly soul, I thought of it while listening to the new Bonnie Raitt---she still sometimes seems like she's assimilated elements Ganble-Huff's approach over the years---and thinking I still need to check out albums by MFSB, who were pretty much the house band on a lot of G-H productions right? Also thinking about psychedelic Soul, what a 70s Creem reviewer dubbed the Norman Whitfield Experience. A lot of hits and deep album excursions on this 2-CD set:
http://www.amazon.com/Psychedelic-Soul-CD-The-Temptations/dp/B00009V7U8

dow, Sunday, 3 April 2016 18:56 (one year ago) Permalink

Dunno why it won't let me post the righteous cover, but here's the tracklist etc.
http://www.amazon.com/Psychedelic-Soul-2-CD-Temptations/dp/B00009V7U8/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1459710067&sr=1-1&keywords=psychedelic+soul

dow, Sunday, 3 April 2016 19:02 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah the sister sledge is nice. phily soul is probably what first hooked me on the stuff. i remember the arrangement to "ready or not" flooring me when i first heard it.

Heez, Sunday, 3 April 2016 22:10 (one year ago) Permalink

and yes charlie rich and a lot of the pre-outlaw stuff hit's the same vein for me. in fact, wasn't it this stuff that inspired the stripped down outlaw period?

Heez, Sunday, 3 April 2016 22:15 (one year ago) Permalink

this is my fave rich/sherrill jam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Azui-cs9DQ

Heez, Sunday, 3 April 2016 22:17 (one year ago) Permalink

wow, Kendricks is great (I also love how it rhymes with Hendrix)

I could listen to the beat on this one for days:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg48iWKKC0s

calstars, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 00:24 (one year ago) Permalink

That album is probably the best of his, but they're all so good.

Heez, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 00:40 (one year ago) Permalink

Heez blowing my mind with this thread. CHI-LITES

calstars, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 00:45 (one year ago) Permalink

http://youtu.be/EqMk57Scxu0

sciatica, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 01:00 (one year ago) Permalink

want to play bass like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_iOr49DJ8U

Heez, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 02:31 (one year ago) Permalink

and this one's a beauty. the drums!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBZ9jgvcCqo

Heez, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 02:38 (one year ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X23t2MCZsHE

calstars, Wednesday, 6 April 2016 16:17 (one year ago) Permalink

mandrill doing some good shit around this time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIoQDDoVElg

Heez, Saturday, 9 April 2016 05:03 (one year ago) Permalink

i swear someone sampled this but i'm not finding anything. maybe the beginning just sounds like a portishead song or something

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK8F51cIFn8

Heez, Saturday, 9 April 2016 05:21 (one year ago) Permalink

This is a good retrospective of Kendricks's solo career: http://soultrain.com/2015/12/22/soul-retrospective-eddie-kendricks/

Sounds like co-producers Leonard Caston and Frank Wilson played a big part on his better early material.

Heez, Monday, 11 April 2016 15:27 (one year ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5BJmtHCyc8

larry appleton, Friday, 22 April 2016 19:04 (one year ago) Permalink

wow, that's beautiful

calstars, Friday, 22 April 2016 19:30 (one year ago) Permalink

This track by Buddy Miles is one I recently came across. It's lush.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCwBhbhbok8

earlnash, Friday, 22 April 2016 19:47 (one year ago) Permalink

Dunno if these fit entirely (too gospel? too disco?) but they are 1970s and they are lush and I love them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKEdTikamG4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp1HdiRGA7Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rcz_TG-qY_8

tay.ai fan (seandalai), Saturday, 23 April 2016 01:09 (one year ago) Permalink

niiiiiiice. i totally support disco era lushness here. it gives me an excuse to post one of my favorite songs ever:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ_0sof4kLE

Heez, Saturday, 23 April 2016 01:50 (one year ago) Permalink

That Caston & Majors track is stunning.

rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 26 April 2016 04:07 (one year ago) Permalink

The Caston & Majors album is great all the way through. Think it got reissued a couple of years ago.

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 26 April 2016 15:23 (one year ago) Permalink

Not on Spotify or iTunes.

rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 26 April 2016 15:26 (one year ago) Permalink

Yeah it was buried by Motown first time round and the reissue is kind of hidden too (insofar as not releasing it digitally counts as hiding).

tay.ai fan (seandalai), Tuesday, 26 April 2016 20:37 (one year ago) Permalink

Thanks guys, especially Heez, and speaking of Charlie Rich, and what Elvis, Jimmy Webb (incl. songs for Glenn Campbell), Dusty Springfield and Van Morrison, for that matter, were getting to or toward in that era, maybe try Sturgill Simpson's new A Sailor's Guide To Earth: he's been listening deep, for his own purposes, which ain't just retro.

dow, Tuesday, 26 April 2016 21:29 (one year ago) Permalink

Also, of course, if nobody's mentioned it yet, Isaac Hayes's epic reverie re "By The Time I Get To Phoenix."

dow, Tuesday, 26 April 2016 21:31 (one year ago) Permalink

this is the best thread thank you all

marcos, Tuesday, 26 April 2016 21:34 (one year ago) Permalink

im going through and listening to every tune itt and they are all good

marcos, Tuesday, 26 April 2016 21:34 (one year ago) Permalink

two months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOgNWZspl6U

Heez, Thursday, 7 July 2016 04:55 (one year ago) Permalink

wow now i'm on "a friends place" and damn i didn't know the shaft soundtrack had so many dope mellow tunes

Heez, Thursday, 7 July 2016 05:00 (one year ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Bookmarkers: have you noticed that we have a poll going on about all this stuff and much more?

LET'S GET IT ON! It's the ~~~ 1970s SOUL ALBUMS POLL ~~~ NOMINATIONS AND CAMPAIGNING THREAD

ArchCarrier, Saturday, 24 September 2016 06:05 (one year ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Voting thread:

~~~ ILM 1970s SOUL/FUNK/DISCO ALBUMS POLL ~~~

ArchCarrier, Monday, 10 October 2016 08:16 (one year ago) Permalink

five months pass...

So much funk, so little time

calstars, Friday, 17 March 2017 16:15 (eight months ago) Permalink

plus soul and disco, with nominations due by March 27

curmudgeon, Friday, 17 March 2017 20:58 (eight months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Props to this thread for making me aware of the brilliance of Eddie Kendricks.

This is beautiful:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcdAuxmohv8

chap, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 13:00 (seven months ago) Permalink


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