IF IT'S NOT LOVE THEN IT'S THE POLL THAT WILL BRING US TOGETHER - ILM Artist Poll #72 - THE SMITHS - RESULTS THREAD

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80 ballots received (53 album ballots)
71 tracks and 11 albums voted for

nate woolls, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 16:42 (three years ago) link

Albums!

nate woolls, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 16:43 (three years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/j5Qpq4T.jpg

5. STRANGEWAYS, HERE WE COME (studio album, 1987)
1109 points | 35 votes | 4 first place votes

nate woolls, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 16:43 (three years ago) link

thats a good start

nate woolls, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 16:44 (three years ago) link

getting the mistakes out the way early, good planning tbh

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 16:47 (three years ago) link

also...11 albums voted for a band with this little output is p hilarious

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 16:48 (three years ago) link

Can a mod fix that link?

nate woolls, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 16:50 (three years ago) link

80 ballots that's a lot! should be great this.

piscesx, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 17:05 (three years ago) link

80 ballots is crazy. is that the highest ever?

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 17:08 (three years ago) link

my dad used to play Strangeways a lot when I was a very young child and I used to love the "UUUUURRRRRRRGGGHHHHHRRRush and a push and the land" bit from the opening track, but I had no idea who they were, then I decided to check out the Smiths as a teenager after reading about them and was delighted to realise that they were the same band

soref, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 17:20 (three years ago) link

the "ET CETERA ET CETERA ET CETERA ET CETERA" refrain from 'Sweet and Tender Hooligan' is the other part of their oeuvre that I remember really appealing to me as a small child

soref, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 17:23 (three years ago) link

The Smiths released 4 albums.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 17:29 (three years ago) link

bowie got 80 ballots too.

new noise, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 17:31 (three years ago) link

I voted for them in reverse chronological order. I pull out Sound of the Smiths 2CD now if I want a compilation, but my copy of Louder Than Bombs has been played more than any other Smiths release.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 17:32 (three years ago) link

i wonder if some version of the Erica Garner ad ran throughout the South, for starters (i imagine it must've?)

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 17:39 (three years ago) link

oops, sorry

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 17:39 (three years ago) link

"London" would've been high on my tracks ballot

QiD #1 album i think

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 17:40 (three years ago) link

4. THE SMITHS (studio album, 1984)
1228 points | 39 votes | 4 first place votes

http://i.imgur.com/KRsdwCP.jpg

nate woolls, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 18:00 (three years ago) link

^^ best album

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 18:00 (three years ago) link

This is going really well.

THE SMITHS is #4, not LOUDER THAN BOMBS

nate woolls, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 18:02 (three years ago) link

^^^ worst album

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 18:04 (three years ago) link

I don't want to derail on what's an album and what's a compilation, but c'mon people, this is a compilation, not an album.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 18:07 (three years ago) link

I kind of like its wiry, bristling quality, but all its songs (except "This Charming Man") are better served by the Hatful versions.

one way street, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 18:09 (three years ago) link

At one point The Smiths was my favourite album of theirs but I've cooled on it a lot in the last few years. I find his vocals on Miserable Lie a little grating, The Hand That Rocks The Cradle doesn't really go anywhere and What Difference Does It Makes is one of the few of their bigger hits that I don't really need to hear again (along with How Soon Is Now).

Kitchen Person, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 18:10 (three years ago) link

Look, if no-one mentions the image it can be fixed behind the scenes and posterity will know no better.

Noel Emits, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 18:14 (three years ago) link

Too low! Louder Than Bombs is their best.

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 18:15 (three years ago) link

How would I do that? xp

nate woolls, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 18:17 (three years ago) link

With the aid of a kindly mod?

Noel Emits, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 18:19 (three years ago) link

If any kindly mod could change the url to one I give them that would be great

nate woolls, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 18:22 (three years ago) link

had a feeling both HOH and LTB would place in a top 5 at the expense of the one of the studio albums. pleased that that is not the case.

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 18:26 (three years ago) link

The debut was my favourite for a while too, I had it at #2 in the end though.

Gavin, Leeds, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 18:27 (three years ago) link

It would have been 81 ballots if I hadn't been too preoccupied to submit a ballot. Damn, we could have broken the record!

The Dave Grohl of ILX (Turrican), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 18:29 (three years ago) link

had a feeling both HOH and LTB would place in a top 5 at the expense of the one of the studio albums. pleased that that is not the case.

― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, March 2, 2016 1:26 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Isn't this premature pleasure? There are three spots left and I thought fandom was generally down on Meat Is Murder as an album

i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 18:29 (three years ago) link

fandom was generally down on Meat Is Murder as an album

now that is crazytalk. Every song on MiM is a gem, save for the title track, and that one at least has cow mooing sounds.

sarahell, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 18:32 (three years ago) link

When I was listening back over their discography the other week, I found myself pleasantly surprised by Meat Is Murder. At one point it was my least favourite of all their studio albums, but now I'd probably rank it second behind The Queen Is Dead.

The Dave Grohl of ILX (Turrican), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 18:35 (three years ago) link

Same. I was disappointed by it at the time, but I dug it all when relistening last week (except the title track).

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 18:40 (three years ago) link

Even stranger for me, is that when I listened to 'How Soon Is Now' with fresh ears, it regained a power for me that I thought was lost years ago. I honest-to-god thought at this stage that I was thoroughly fucking sick of it - at least, that's how I felt about it for years. But no, turns out I'm not. Amazing how some tracks can regain a potency after a lengthy break from hearing them.

The Dave Grohl of ILX (Turrican), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 18:54 (three years ago) link

Dan i haven't encountered that myself, i hope that's not the case. it's my #1.

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 19:03 (three years ago) link

Ha, me too. The first Smiths I ever heard was Hatful of Hollow. Each song was "this is good...THIS is good..." and then, with "How Soon Is Now," "THIS IS AMAZING." Listening again recently, yep, same feeling.

xp

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 19:05 (three years ago) link

When I was listening back over their discography the other week, I found myself pleasantly surprised by Meat Is Murder.

yeah i had the same experience. everything kinda rules except the title track. i do have a lot of affection for the s/t though, despite some kinda bad songs and vocals and production. strangeways is still weirdly my favorite

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 19:16 (three years ago) link

I didn't come to MIM until a few years ago because in my youth it sounded like dog shit on cassette and couldn't get past a few of the vocals. I've now had the bass line of "Barbarism Begins at Home" stuck in my head for 72 hours.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 19:23 (three years ago) link

I saw a couple shows by a Smiths covers band eons ago (the Nguyens) and was always disappointed that Barbarism was the one song they confessed they couldn't do

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 19:25 (three years ago) link

(also to-date that is the only Smiths bassline I've ever learned how to play lol)

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 19:26 (three years ago) link

I've said it before, but I think the debut album is a mostly wonderful collection of material, although far from their best produced and recorded. Also, a bit baffling to put 'Reel Around The Fountain' as an opening track, although at the same time it's difficult to figure out where else it could have gone without making the album feel ballad-heavy. It just strikes me as an odd way to open a debut album, really.

The Dave Grohl of ILX (Turrican), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 19:34 (three years ago) link

Yeah, 'Barbarism Begins At Home' is fantastic, one of Rourke's best basslines easily. There's footage of them playing it at a gig in Germany on Youtube and when the track breaks down to just the bass and drums, Marr takes off his guitar and begins to shimmy around onstage, dancing with Moz.

As a slab of white funk I'd take it over anything and everything released by Level fuckin' 42, without a doubt.

The Dave Grohl of ILX (Turrican), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 19:38 (three years ago) link

bassline has kind of a Bernie Edwards' feel to it, a bit of that disco stair-stepping 8th note thing

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 19:45 (three years ago) link

altho now that I think about it none of it is 8th notes is it? lol

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 19:45 (three years ago) link

That Barbarism live video and the The The vs. The World live video of Giant, also featuring Johnny Marr dancing across the stage, are probably my two favorite Marr moments.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 19:49 (three years ago) link

Also, a bit baffling to put 'Reel Around The Fountain' as an opening track

nah this is my favorite thing about it

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 19:49 (three years ago) link

There's footage of them playing it at a gig in Germany on Youtube and when the track breaks down to just the bass and drums, Marr takes off his guitar and begins to shimmy around onstage, dancing with Moz.

at 26:07
https://youtu.be/2Y7YnL9SPjs

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 19:50 (three years ago) link

So he won't be standing for mayor then.

Thomas of Britain (Tom D.), Monday, 7 March 2016 15:18 (three years ago) link

no.

Mark G, Monday, 7 March 2016 16:19 (three years ago) link

Thanks so much to Mr. woolls f running the poll.

My ballot:

1
Shoplifters Of The World Unite
You Just Haven't Earned It Yet, Baby
The Headmaster Ritual
Reel Around The Fountain (John Peel version)
The Queen Is Dead
Panic
There Is A Light That Never Goes Out
Sweet and Tender Hooligan
Sheila Take a Bow
Ask
Stop Me If You Think You've Heard This One Before
Is It Really So Strange?
Girlfriend in a Coma
Half A Person
Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now
I Want The One I Can't Have
Bigmouth Strikes Again
Cemetery Gates
Unhappy Birthday
That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore
20

kornrulez6969, Monday, 7 March 2016 16:32 (three years ago) link

"Panic" is still a ton of fun to sing but growing up with the rise of hip-hop and then learning more about the origins of techno combined with the "turn" his lyrics and public persona took makes it really, really hard for me (especially as an African-American) to not hear that song as a racist lynching anthem.

i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Monday, 7 March 2016 16:41 (three years ago) link

TRACKS:

There Is A Light That Never Goes Out
That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore
How Soon Is Now?
What Difference Does It Make?
Bigmouth Strikes Again
The Boy with the Thorn in His Side
William, It Was Really Nothing
This Night Has Opened My Eyes
The Headmaster Ritual
This Charming Man
Heaven Knows I’m Miserable Now
Shakespeare's Sister
Sheila Take A Bow
Please, Please, Please Let Me Get What I Want
You Just Haven't Earned It Yet, Baby
Asleep
Half A Person
Pretty Girls Make Graves
Rubber Ring
Panic

ALBUMS:

Singles
Louder Than Bombs
Meat Is Murder
The Queen Is Dead
The Smiths

micro brewbio (crüt), Monday, 7 March 2016 16:52 (three years ago) link

1. You Just Haven't Earned It Yet, Baby
2. London
3. I Started Something That I Couldn't Finish
4. There is a Light That Never Goes Out
5. This Charming Man
6. Sweet and Tender Hooligan
7. Ask
8. Some Girls Are Bigger...
9. Cemetery Gates
10. Barbarism Begins at Home
11. The Queen is Dead
12. I Won't Share You
13. Stop Me If You Think You've Heard This One Before
14. Bigmouth Strikes Again
15. Half a Person
16. Is It Really So Strange?
17. Back to the Old House
18. Panic
19. I Know It's Over
20. What Difference Does It Make?

ALBUMS

LOUDER THAN BOMBS
THE QUEEN IS DEAD
MEAT IS MURDER
STRANGEWAYS HERE WE COME
THE SINGLES

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 March 2016 17:14 (three years ago) link

"Hatful of Hollow" really seems like the great divider--somebody upthread posted a ballot with literally nothing from that record;
I would struggle to find more than half a dozen songs I care about that AREN'T on it...

Swag Heathen (theStalePrince), Monday, 7 March 2016 17:22 (three years ago) link

Yeah my basic conception of The Smiths is Hatful/Bombs/TQID

i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Monday, 7 March 2016 17:24 (three years ago) link

I've never heard Hatful of Hollow

micro brewbio (crüt), Monday, 7 March 2016 17:25 (three years ago) link

A Rush and a Push and the Land Is Ours
Still Ill [Hatful of Hollow version]
Please Please Please Let Me Get What I Want
There Is a Light That Never Goes Out
I Know It's Over
London
Oscillate Wildly
Asleep
Girlfriend in a Coma
Jeane
Unloveable
Reel Around the Fountain [Hatful of Hollow version]
The Boy with a Thorn in his Side
Sweet and Tender Hooligan
You Just Haven't Earned It Yet, Baby
I Want the One I Can't Have
Vicar in a Tutu
Unhappy Birthday
Cemetry Gates
This Charming Man

albums
Louder Than Bombs
The Queen Is Dead
Hatful of Hollow
Strangeways, Here We Come
The Smiths

droit au butt (Euler), Monday, 7 March 2016 17:29 (three years ago) link

Hatful of Hollow was the last Smiths' album I bought, so I had already heard all the songs on it except for Handsome Devil and Accept Yourself. Some of the versions are different, but it still never meant too much to me.

sacral intercourse conducive to vegetal luxuriance (askance johnson), Monday, 7 March 2016 17:54 (three years ago) link

"Panic" is still a ton of fun to sing but growing up with the rise of hip-hop and then learning more about the origins of techno combined with the "turn" his lyrics and public persona took makes it really, really hard for me (especially as an African-American) to not hear that song as a racist lynching anthem.

― i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Monday, 7 March 2016 16:41 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

if it helps, the song that prompted this was Wham's "I'm your man", so it would be that sort of thing..

Mark G, Monday, 7 March 2016 18:09 (three years ago) link

and I thought they got on so well after their TV interview too

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 March 2016 18:11 (three years ago) link

It was because BBC Radio One DJ Steve Wright played "I'm Your Man" straight after a news report about Chernobyl.

// 58,000 W A N K E R S // LOVE (Turrican), Monday, 7 March 2016 18:24 (three years ago) link

Instead of playing the Smiths.

Thomas of Britain (Tom D.), Monday, 7 March 2016 18:25 (three years ago) link

Ha! Yeah, possibly... but mostly because Moz/Marr felt it was so inappropriate. Kinda like playing a U2 song after coming out of a story about some fuckin' dog dying.

// 58,000 W A N K E R S // LOVE (Turrican), Monday, 7 March 2016 18:29 (three years ago) link

Pure indie snobbishness however you slice it though.

Thomas of Britain (Tom D.), Monday, 7 March 2016 18:32 (three years ago) link

morrissey always hated the greeks

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 7 March 2016 18:35 (three years ago) link

"Rembetika is vile"

Thomas of Britain (Tom D.), Monday, 7 March 2016 18:37 (three years ago) link

these guys are from England and who gives a shit
http://i.imgur.com/ByCnnyr.jpg

micro brewbio (crüt), Monday, 7 March 2016 18:44 (three years ago) link

See, when you come out of those nuclear goddamn disaster stories, man, it's impossible to make those transitions.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 7 March 2016 18:46 (three years ago) link

Diddly shit! Diddly shit!

// 58,000 W A N K E R S // LOVE (Turrican), Monday, 7 March 2016 18:47 (three years ago) link

Moz sings like a person who has never seen and has no interest in mammary glands.

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)

people who were bottle fed sing differently?

― sarahell

LOLOLOL

Maximum big surprise! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Monday, 7 March 2016 19:08 (three years ago) link

Imagine how things might have turned out had the band been called Smiths!

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 7 March 2016 19:09 (three years ago) link

Could totally imagine Moz in a "Choose Life" shirt, though.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 7 March 2016 19:09 (three years ago) link

xxp he's interested in protecting the mammary glands of cattle from mechanized human molestation

micro brewbio (crüt), Monday, 7 March 2016 19:10 (three years ago) link

I say I say I say

i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Monday, 7 March 2016 19:11 (three years ago) link

Would love if the song were actually about milking a cow.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 7 March 2016 19:13 (three years ago) link

http://i2.wp.com/contentdope.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/vegetarian-thanksgiving.jpg
"Let me get my paddles on your wobbly waddles ..."

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 7 March 2016 19:15 (three years ago) link

Re-listening to 'The Boy With The Thorn In His Side' again, I love it how Morrissey begins singing on the second chord in the chord progression, as opposed to the first chord where you'd expect the singing to start.

// 166,000 W A N K E R S // LOVE (Turrican), Monday, 7 March 2016 20:47 (three years ago) link

wasn't able to participate in this but thanks for organizing! I'm on tracks 77-75 and they are already awesome.

skip, Monday, 7 March 2016 20:58 (three years ago) link

Tracks 50-48 I mean

skip, Monday, 7 March 2016 20:59 (three years ago) link

ugh

i missed this

never got used to the fact that how soon is now is so loved, likewise with ask

son list would like thusly

20 miserable lie (peel sessions)
last night i dreamt
this night
what difference (hatful)
this charming man (hatful)
barbarism
boy with the thorn
headmaster
stop me
rusholme
nowhere fast
handsome devil (hatful)
london
rubber ring
some girls
still ill (hatful)
bigmouth
i know it's over
asleep
1 there is a light

and out of the albums/comps

hatful of hollow is probably my fave, followed by queen is dead and meat is murder

F♯ A♯ (∞), Wednesday, 9 March 2016 01:01 (three years ago) link

song*/look*

F♯ A♯ (∞), Wednesday, 9 March 2016 01:02 (three years ago) link

Just noticed that the Smiths' Complete, which I bought as mp3s and assumed was... complete, doesn't include a few songs! I just heard "Wonderful Woman" for the first time and it's a very pretty song. Maybe not top 20, but certainly top 50

Vinnie, Wednesday, 9 March 2016 04:29 (three years ago) link

Here is my very consenus-y ballot.

This Charming Man
Ask
William, It Was Really Nothing
Panic
The Boy With a Thorn In His Side
Please Please Please Let Me Get What I Want
Reel Around the Fountain
Bigmouth Strikes Again
Hand in Glove
There Is A Light That Never Goes Out
Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now
Is It Really So Strange
How Soon is Now?
Cemetry Gates
What Difference Does It Make?
Girlfriend in a Coma
Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others
Girl Afraid
Frankly Mr. Shankly
Stop Me If You Think You've Heard This One Before

thom yorke state of mind (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 9 March 2016 14:15 (three years ago) link

While waiting for the kettle to boil earlier I realised the main riff from What Difference Does It Make is the theme tune from HOW with the beat on a different place in bar.

suffeeciant attreebution (aldo), Wednesday, 9 March 2016 15:10 (three years ago) link

What is HOW?

Eyeball Kicks, Wednesday, 9 March 2016 16:17 (three years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XK0RImTvh0

Now soon, is HOW!

Mark G, Wednesday, 9 March 2016 16:20 (three years ago) link

Oh wait, it's come back to me now! Haven't thought about that programme for 30+ years!

Eyeball Kicks, Wednesday, 9 March 2016 16:23 (three years ago) link

Fred Dineage is our local news report presenter, so I get to think about HOW! fairly often.

Mark G, Wednesday, 9 March 2016 16:27 (three years ago) link

I missed this. People don't like Strangeways nearly enough - I'm with Morrissey and Marr in thinking Last Night I Dreamt is their best song - but god bless Euler for putting A Rush and a Push at #1.

impossible raver (Re-Make/Re-Model), Monday, 14 March 2016 18:21 (three years ago) link

1. Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others
2. I Know It’s Over
3. There Is A Light That Never Goes Out
4. Rubber Rin
5. Asleep
6. Shoplifters Of The World Unite
7. Please Please Please Let Me Get What I Want
8. Heaven Knows I’m Miserable Know
9. This Charming Man
10. How Soon Is Now
11. Panic
12. Ask
13. Bigmouth Strikes Again
14. A Rush And A Push And The Land Is Ours
15. The Queen Is Dead
16. William, It Was Really Nothing
17. Girlfriend In A Coma
18. Nowhere Fast
19. Oscillate Wildly
20. London

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 18 March 2016 09:07 (three years ago) link

Can anyone recommend some good Smiths live shows from the MiM and QiD tours? Also, were they known as a particularly good live act? Never saw them although I was a fan at the time, regret it now.

Iago Galdston, Tuesday, 22 March 2016 22:44 (three years ago) link

Nevermind, I got it (Thank Your Lucky Stars, LA 1986; Madrid, 1985)

Iago Galdston, Tuesday, 22 March 2016 23:42 (three years ago) link

I think there's a proshot video of that Madrid show on YouTube.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 02:37 (three years ago) link

Thanks, brother

Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 03:19 (three years ago) link

three weeks pass...

I have been listening to the Spotify playlist constantly at work since this countdown and think it's driving me a little batty :)

skip, Saturday, 16 April 2016 00:06 (three years ago) link

two years pass...

Coyness is nice!

The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 15 September 2018 02:29 (eleven months ago) link

ten months pass...

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