You dumdums haven't polled the delight cast recording of Hamilton yet; let me help

Maybe things have changed since 1985 - hard for me to imagine Biff Tannen-style jocks stuffing Lin-Manuel Miranda into a locker. But what do I know, I'm like a thousand years old.

― wookin pa nub (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, September 29, 2016 5:38 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://www.vice.com/read/chris-hayes-confirmed-the-story-about-immortal-technique-bullying-lin-manuel-miranda

Yeah in the 80s you were more likely to be bullied by conscious rappers

i never had any interest in this whatsoever but finally heard some songs and bg on a podcast yesterday and frankly it was upsetting as fuck. this is a musical about the founding fathers where the topic of slavery is given little attention and Sally Hemmings (Jefferon's slave who irl was basically raped for 40 years resulting in 6 Jefferson-Hemmings children) is featured in a non-speaking role doing a little sexy-funny dance solo? for fucking real?

also the rapping is awful

i bet the musicals you like are super fun

Someone should adapt "Hamilton" into a book, like a biography or something, with all the details put back in.

The rapping stays--Kids love it!

Slavery is mentioned in the very first verse, and repeatedly throughout, and I doubt any retelling of the revolution has ever foregrounded race and class to the extent this musical has. Have you ever even seen a cast photo, Adam? Or are you just white-splaining the show based on a couple of excerpts and what some pod-people has told you?

Adam's post in the running for dumbest thing written on ilx

when you are concern-trolling musicals it's time to take a step back

"The Schuyler Sisters" is a jam and a half

My daughter's fave

We like "Helpless"

“Wait For It” is my current favorite

The first time my kid brought home the cast recording and played it I was enjoying it and then "You'll Be Back" came on and I just bolt-uprighted, what the hell is THIS?! and I still feel that way -- the whole thing is great but "You'll Be Back" is the masterpiece that towers above the rest (and which, on stage, is in some ways the hub around which the show revolves)

Apparently this is going out direct to Disney Plus on July 3. Smart move.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/12/movies/hamilton-movie-disney-plus.html

god I am re-obsessed all over again

(have never seen it live, these are my first full viewings)

“One Last Time” fucks me up now watching Chris sing his entire face off at the end

And “Quiet Uptown” is a whole new level of sad now watching him fall apart

Leslie Odom Jr has so much to DO in this whole thing jesus I dont think I fully appreciated that til now

And “Burn” is even more devasating now

sorry

sorry

but also huge shoutout to Anthony Ramos for actually ~seeming~ like a 9 year old? crazy

Ten Duel Commandments feels clunky and out of place. It's as if Lin needed us to understand how duels work for the rest of the show but decided a show-don't-tell way of getting there wasn't worth it, so he dedicated a song to it instead. The song made me cringe and the conflict was super low stakes.

Not gonna lie tho, this was my first time seeing Daveed Diggs in anything and he got me feelin helpless.

Satisfied stands out to me as a high point, the scene is incredible too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYb_8MM1tGQ

^^

oh boy, i just heard 10 duel commandments for the first time
i will refrain from further comment

I don't think the Biggie homage justifies its inclusion.

idk I think Ten Duel Commandments is important not just for duel background but it provides the 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9 refrain that becomes Philip’s theme (the use of which i love) and gives you a template for how the duels in the future don’t go as planned etc

I enjoy the song & its reprises too

I dont find it clunky but mileage varies etc

Just finally saw it. Loved it.

Thoughts on this thread?

why puerto ricans don’t claim lin-manuel miranda and why you shouldn’t support him [thread🧵]:

— lizdanelly ☭ 🇵🇷 (@lxzdanelly) July 4, 2020

the lefty political twitter hate for Hamilton is pretty amusing. But what the fuck was up with Tim Faust photoshopping Lin into a picture of the Epstein procurer, and then putting it back up again after it was pulled down?

I need to do a lot more reading with regards to that Twitter thread--I'm very out of this loop. My gut says to be aware that the initial framing (e.g., "why puerto ricans don't claim lin-manuel miranda") speaks for Puerto Ricans as a monolith. The links provided in that thread are informative, but it's hard to engage with the topic because it sits atop a mountain of developed discourse covering a lot of areas: schisms in Puerto Rican identity, saviorism, colonialism, class issues. I think the thing I was most able to wrap my mind around comes at the end of this article: https://www.80grados.net/miranda-an-american-tragedy/

There exist multiple Puerto Ricos within Puerto Rico—stratified and segmented by class, race, region, gender and sexuality, age, immigration-background, religion, political and ideological affiliations, the list goes on. Luis Miranda, Lin-Manuel Miranda’s father, explained that his son’s initiative “was not only to experience Hamilton in its artistic value, but also to leave Puerto Rico a little better than we found it.[28]”

Whose or what Puerto Rico did they “leave a little better”?

some art students got displaced

i never had any interest in this whatsoever but finally heard some songs and bg on a podcast yesterday and frankly it was upsetting as fuck. this is a musical about the founding fathers where the topic of slavery is given little attention and Sally Hemmings (Jefferon's slave who irl was basically raped for 40 years resulting in 6 Jefferson-Hemmings children) is featured in a non-speaking role doing a little sexy-funny dance solo? for fucking real?

Still trying to understand what the hell is being referenced here with Sally Hemmings. Just the most baffling thing.

my problem I had with the thread was that there was a lot of bad faith engagement with teh topic ("lol u say don't support Lin BUT U OWN AN I-PHONE OMG HYPOCRITE"), so that when someone actually tried to have a real discussion on it, it usually got shut down with "omg did you READ the articles", as if someone couldn't fathom that there are people out there that have read the same articles as you and drew separate conclusions.

someone else hilariously referred someone to watch teh musical 1776 instead, as if that musical doesn't even further whitewash/sanitize our Founding Fathers (much worse in that regard actually). and the OP also posts pro-Lenin things frequently which is a little o_O, but that's no diff than my pro-Che Guevara phase in my early 20s I guess.

the Hemmings bit is people being unable to comprehend that the musical they wanted about our Founding Fathers would be 10 hours long and narrated by Ken Burns

like it's fair to call out sanitization of the time period, but the musical never promised to be edutainment. it's about as accurate as The Greatest Showman, which doesn't get anywhere near the same flack (well, no slaves, but PT Barnum was a bit of a prick).

anyway feel free to add other thoughts, I can't join the thread on twitter as my burner account is now banned

I'm just trying to figure out if I completely spaced out on a "sexy-funny" Sally Hemmings dance both when I saw it live and when I watched it this weekend.

the only thing I remember is DD singing "Sally be a dear and hand me the letter" and a woman (dancing, as is everyone else in the scene) giving him a letter.

1776 had some catchy tunes.

It does. I wanna be in it

it's about as accurate as The Greatest Showman, which doesn't get anywhere near the same flack (well, no slaves, but PT Barnum was a bit of a prick).

1. Disagree; greatest showman took way more liberties

2. No there were no slaves in TGS but there should have been one - "He began his career as a showman in 1835 when he was 25 with the purchase and exhibition of a blind and almost completely paralyzed slave woman named Joice Heth, whom an acquaintance was trumpeting around Philadelphia as George Washington's former nurse and 161 years old. Slavery was already outlawed in New York, but he exploited a loophole which allowed him to lease her for a year for $1,000, borrowing $500 to complete the sale. Heth died in February 1836, at no more than 80 years old. Barnum had worked her for 10 to 12 hours a day, and he hosted a live autopsy of her body in a New York saloon where spectators paid 50 cents to see the dead woman cut up, as he revealed that she was likely half her purported age."

3. So, more than a prick

to be honest I want to cancel TGS more because I HATE THE FUCKING SONGS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do-Hum-Me

Do-Hum-Me was the eighteen-year-old daughter of Nan-Nouce-Push-Ee-Toe, a chief of the Sac and Fox Nation* who traveled east in 1843 from their native lands in Iowa to participate in treaty negotiations with the federal government. The occasion resulted in her meeting and marrying Cow-Hick-Kee, a young warrior, who also participated in the sessions.

The delegation later visited New York City, where the presence of Native Americans was met with great excitement and quickly attracted the attention of showman P. T. Barnum. His American Museum was located in lower Manhattan at the corner of Broadway and Ann Street across from St. Paul’s Chapel. Recognizing the potential for increased ticket sales, Barnum persuaded fifteen members of the delegation, including Do-Hum-Me and Cow-Hick-Kee, to perform daily war dances and wedding ceremonies for museum goers. Tragically, Do-Hum-Me, known to New Yorkers as the “Indian Princess,” died five weeks after her wedding date. Without immunity to the diseases brought to America by immigrant Europeans, she succumbed to the fate that ultimately befell millions of indigenous people. Do-Hum-Me died inside Barnum’s Museum. Barnum was to record that her grieving father and young husband cooked food and ritually placed it on the roof of the museum so that Do-Hum-Me’s spirit would not go hungry as long as her Native American brethren remained at the site.

yeah PT was appalling, woulda been good to stop that film beyond its sonic crime

this soundtrack has been stuck in my head for a week

make it stop

please make it stop

anGELicAAAAAA, eLIIIzaaAAa

(and peggy)

Lol my 5 yo has been playing the soundtrack non-stop and yelling, “LADIES!” And “This kid is insane man!”

this still has a few jams but none of them involve rapping

I am listening to this whole thing again and damn, this is a work of art

I love the hip hop references, like the Mobb Deep "I'm only 19 but my mind is older" line

How much money do I have to pay Renee Elise Goldsberry, Phillipa Soo, and Jasmine Cephus-Jones to sing "LOOK AROUND, LOOK AROUND" for me for about 45 minutes?