Lizzo - Big GRRRL Small World

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Out 11 Dec

streaming here: http://www.spin.com/2015/12/lizzo-big-grrrl-small-world-all-eyes-on/

you're breaking the NAP (DJP), Wednesday, 9 December 2015 16:43 (three years ago) Permalink

Will have to give a listen when I'm not at work. I saw her when she opened for S-K in Pittsburgh earlier this year and enjoyed her set a lot.

Resting Bushface (Phil D.), Wednesday, 9 December 2015 17:10 (three years ago) Permalink

Her performance on Colbert was great. Really into this record.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDVD-PX__uc

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 12 December 2015 17:39 (three years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Loved seeing her on Colbert, think she's well poised to blow up a bit nwo

from the perspective of a gay man, i will post them now (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 21 January 2016 03:52 (three years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

this song is like fun and goofy but sounds like a bonus track and not a single

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-t4EYomPVk

laraaji p. henson (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 17 September 2016 02:10 (two years ago) Permalink

why is she not super famous yet tho?

laraaji p. henson (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 17 September 2016 02:10 (two years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

ok this EP is great great great. "Scuse Me" reminds me of another song (maybe even samples it?) but I cannot for the life of me place it

laraaji p. henson (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 7 October 2016 22:17 (two years ago) Permalink

yeah this is great on contact; really into her and tkay maidza right now as next gen potential stars

the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Monday, 10 October 2016 13:34 (two years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

She been working, working on this earworm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yzsh-PDF30

earworm by Lizzo = classic obv

Also touring with HAIM at the moment, and new album is scheduled for later this year.

sbahnhof, Monday, 9 April 2018 06:32 (one year ago) Permalink

Yo nice

valorous wokelord (silby), Monday, 9 April 2018 14:28 (one year ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

ya-ya-ee!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8ZI1Jlrf-w

album's out in april. can't wait

monotony, Saturday, 2 February 2019 12:26 (two months ago) Permalink

Delightful profile in the Cut: https://www.thecut.com/2019/02/lizzo-flute-pop-star.html

monotony, Monday, 4 February 2019 08:54 (two months ago) Permalink

They're ALL delightful profiles. Even the NME one.

"We forget that we have needs because we’re so artsy-fartsy and higher-conscious. But it’s like, no bitch, you need water and you need sunlight and you need rest – just like this fucking cactus.” Lizzo gestures to a cactus on the table between us. “This cactus might not be making a fucking hit song, but this cactus is chill and doesn’t have fucking anxiety. He’s not stressing himself out over no bitch-ass fuck-boys, you know what I mean?”

sbahnhof, Sunday, 10 February 2019 08:45 (two months ago) Permalink

see this one feels like a self-conscious retro pastiche in the way I thought "Juice" managed to sidestep, huge as it sounds

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Thursday, 14 February 2019 15:18 (two months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Tempo!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raVe1hZxFAc

monotony, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 23:01 (one month ago) Permalink

rrrrrrrrrrrr

moose; squirrel (silby), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 23:09 (one month ago) Permalink

so glad she is finally, finally blowing up but also annoyed that in the span of 18 months she went from underselling a 450 person venue to selling out a 1000+ person venue in less than 10 seconds (i.e. before I could get a ticket)

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 21 March 2019 13:51 (one month ago) Permalink

Kept reading people trying to push Tierra Whack as the “new” Missy but Lizzo makes way more sense as the substitute, she’s bombastic and fun in the same sort of way Missy was.

This collab makes me very happy.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 21 March 2019 16:30 (one month ago) Permalink

I'm sure she wants to be more than the new Missy, but this is my fave Lizzo since Batches & Cookies

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 21 March 2019 16:41 (one month ago) Permalink

"juice" is amazing and if it was a bruno mars song -- which it basically is -- it would be no. 1 for 5 weeks

J0rdan S., Thursday, 21 March 2019 18:18 (one month ago) Permalink

one month passes...

the album is so much fun - brash, loud and raucous

monotony, Sunday, 21 April 2019 13:56 (two days ago) Permalink

Yeah, I'm enjoying this album a lot. Everything here suits her brilliant personality so much.

My only complaint is I would have liked Boys to have been included, but it's no big deal really.

kitchen person, Sunday, 21 April 2019 14:05 (two days ago) Permalink

I've decided I really need to "deej it up" about my thought leading wrt Lizzo

rolling off a molly thread 2013

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 April 2019 13:16 (yesterday) Permalink

There's a lot of Prince in this record, yeah (like on Crybaby and Jerome esp)?

Pfork review today is terrible btw.

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 22 April 2019 14:26 (yesterday) Permalink

I thought it was fine - threaded a tricky needle.

Simon H., Monday, 22 April 2019 14:29 (yesterday) Permalink

but clearly some do not agree

PEOPLE WHO ‘REVIEW’ ALBUMS AND DONT MAKE MUSIC THEMSELVES SHOULD BE UNEMPLOYED

— |L I Z Z O| (@lizzo) April 22, 2019

Simon H., Monday, 22 April 2019 14:40 (yesterday) Permalink

There's a lot of Prince in this record, yeah (like on Crybaby and Jerome esp)?

― change display name (Jordan)

Crybaby is one of my favourites. The guitar playing reminds me so much of St. Vincent, maybe something from Strange Mercy? Jerome sounds a lot like Rihanna's Love On The Brain.

kitchen person, Monday, 22 April 2019 14:43 (yesterday) Permalink

I thought it was fine - threaded a tricky needle.

― Simon H., Monday, April 22, 2019 7:29 AM (twenty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the tricky needle of comparing lizzo to natasha bedingfield and music for yogurt commercials

review baffling and bad even as it expresses some of my own reservations about the record, lizzo’s reaction understandable but also terrible

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 22 April 2019 14:56 (yesterday) Permalink

I was referring to separately assessing a work's social value against its artistic value and acknowledging they're somewhat misaligned at times, which requires some precision of language.

Simon H., Monday, 22 April 2019 14:58 (yesterday) Permalink

it's kinda funny that the pfork review veers into this weird sorta cop out in the end like "don't hate us for saying this album is bland pop music" and lizzo still jumped down their throats

J0rdan S., Monday, 22 April 2019 14:59 (yesterday) Permalink

The album shows more enthusiasm than skill, but the pop world needs at least sixteen Lizzos, so I won't complain much.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 April 2019 14:59 (yesterday) Permalink

meghan trainor comparisons are a bridge too far

maura, Monday, 22 April 2019 15:00 (yesterday) Permalink

Better in Color is the bi anthem for 2019 imho

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Monday, 22 April 2019 15:01 (yesterday) Permalink

PEOPLE WHO ‘REVIEW’ ALBUMS AND DONT MAKE MUSIC THEMSELVES SHOULD BE UNEMPLOYED

they usually are these days, aren't they?

Anyway Lizzo is from H-Town so she can do no wrong

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 22 April 2019 15:05 (yesterday) Permalink

requires some precision of language.

― Simon H., Monday, April 22, 2019 7:58 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don’t think it even did this well cf. giving over an entire paragraph to a stacey abrams quote with zero transitional setup, just preceded by a lot of cheap shots

admittedly splitting hairs about precision of language is my thing, there’s got to be a better what than being both mean and wrong on the internet

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 22 April 2019 15:08 (yesterday) Permalink

better way*

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 22 April 2019 15:08 (yesterday) Permalink

As far as Lizzo making a big pop album goes, this is a really damn good one. The songs are good, the production is minimal and surprising at times, in all the good ways (where what I heard of the previous record felt overstuffed and too bland for her). Idk, the review feels dismissive of the basic premise of the record and doesn't really get across how well-executed it is.

(obv rolling my eyes at Lizzo's response tweet)

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 22 April 2019 15:11 (yesterday) Permalink

I guess the review just didn't strike me as mean in either tone or sentiment but I may not have picked up on some cues xp

Simon H., Monday, 22 April 2019 15:13 (yesterday) Permalink

you aren't the last person to push back on me about that, maybe i just read too many things in an extremely online voice

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 22 April 2019 15:20 (yesterday) Permalink

imo people are reading meanness into it from the comparisons being made but I don't *think* that's the intent. it's entirely possible I'm being too charitable

Simon H., Monday, 22 April 2019 15:33 (yesterday) Permalink

I just think it's kind of petty to push back on one review given she's pretty much gotten a worldwide rimjob from the media from the moment she popped up

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 April 2019 16:37 (yesterday) Permalink

def petty and a terrible look

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 22 April 2019 16:46 (yesterday) Permalink

yeah but so

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Monday, 22 April 2019 17:27 (yesterday) Permalink

None of this is important. She'll be old news in 5 seconds.

Cousin Slappy, Monday, 22 April 2019 17:35 (yesterday) Permalink

fp'd

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Monday, 22 April 2019 17:48 (yesterday) Permalink

i think she has the potential to be pretty huge actually

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 April 2019 18:53 (yesterday) Permalink

THIS IS AN INVITATION TO ALL MUSIC JOURNALISTS TO KICK IT IN THE STUDIO WITH ME FOR MY NEXT ALBUM! I’d like to understand your world as much as you can understand mine https://t.co/niZhmrEvIl

— |L I Z Z O| (@lizzo) April 22, 2019

blokes you can't rust (sic), Monday, 22 April 2019 19:09 (yesterday) Permalink

that's... not gonna work

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 22 April 2019 19:10 (yesterday) Permalink

ft. brandon stosuy

imago, Monday, 22 April 2019 19:12 (yesterday) Permalink

can well imagine fantano expanding his empire to guest features actually

imago, Monday, 22 April 2019 19:13 (yesterday) Permalink

"PEOPLE WHO ‘REVIEW’ ALBUMS AND DONT MAKE MUSIC THEMSELVES SHOULD BE UNEMPLOYED"

A world where they only people who are "qualified" to consume music are players already exists

https://pcdn.columbian.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/618995-bitz-battle-lawyer-b-1024x767.jpg

chr1sb3singer, Monday, 22 April 2019 19:17 (yesterday) Permalink

fwiw, I played music for a while and am now unemployed

ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 22 April 2019 19:51 (yesterday) Permalink

I'm not quite sure how anyone could read the sentence, "Her pledge to be “ARETHA FRANKLIN FOR THE 2018 GENERATION” is evident, if not quite actualized; this generation’s Natasha Bedingfield is maybe more accurate," as complimentary, and I don't hate Natasha Bedingfield. It's saying exactly what Cousin Slappy said on this thread.

GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Monday, 22 April 2019 20:14 (yesterday) Permalink

It would also help, when talking about how bad the rapping on the album is, to quote some lyrics that are actually bad

GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Monday, 22 April 2019 20:20 (yesterday) Permalink

The review seems pretty even-handed to me. Shoehorning Stacey Abrams in is dumb; someone should have cut that bit, but Pitchfork's editing seems kinda hands-off (the number of typos that get repaired in reviews as the day goes on is evidence of that). But the quoted rap lyrics are terrible - they do read like something an SNL writer would have Elizabeth Warren rap from a podium. And the general thesis - "the music can feel like a means to a greater end" and the description of it as "empowerment-core" - is an accurate reflection of the pop landscape in general. That's what the industry is selling this year.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 22 April 2019 20:38 (yesterday) Permalink

It has been decreed that Gebrauchsmusik is ripe for a comeback.

pomenitul, Monday, 22 April 2019 20:52 (yesterday) Permalink

It would also help, when talking about how bad the rapping on the album is, to quote some lyrics that are actually bad

this is one of the things that absolutely drives me batty

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 22 April 2019 20:59 (yesterday) Permalink

Here's the full verse from "Like A Girl", with the quoted lyrics connected to the rest of the verse:

Woke up feelin' like I just might run for President
Even if there ain't no precedent, switchin' up the messaging
I'm about to add a little estrogen
Buy my whip by myself, pay my rent by myself
Only exes that I care about are in my fucking chromosomes
I don't really need you, I'm Macaulay Culkin, home alone
Bad bitch, diamonds in my collarbone (Yee, yee)
Buy my whip by myself, pay my rent by myself

Here. by comparison, is a verse from "All of the Lights"

Something wrong
I hold my head
M.J. gone, our nigga dead!
I slapped my girl, she called the feds
I did that time and spent that bread
I'm heading home, I'm almost there
I'm on my way, headed up the stairs
To my surprise, a nigga replacing me
I had to take 'em to that ghetto university (all of the lights)

Are these both examples of "bad" lyrics? Is one worse than the other?

GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Monday, 22 April 2019 21:10 (yesterday) Permalink

Saying "this sounds like something SNL would have Liz Warren rap in a skit" completely ignores the context and sentiment of the verse and, interestingly, erases exactly the persona Lizzo is projecting onto the verse in order to make an entirely bullshit point. She is not literally talking about running for President and it's wholly disingenuous to make that comparison when the review knows damn well that the line is about self-belief and self-confidence.

Meanwhile, Kanye is rambling about how Michael Jackson's death made him beat his girlfriend.

GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Monday, 22 April 2019 21:14 (yesterday) Permalink

voting both bad but ye bad is extra bad

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 22 April 2019 21:15 (yesterday) Permalink

Kanye’s lyrics have always been horrendous

blokes you can't rust (sic), Monday, 22 April 2019 21:24 (yesterday) Permalink

Are these both examples of "bad" lyrics?

Yes. "messaging"/"estrogen" is a terrible rhyme, and so is "chromosomes"/"Home Alone." Kanye West is just a terrible lyricist, period.

Is one worse than the other?

Yes. Kanye's is worse. But that's to be expected. Lizzo has "Juice" and "Good As Hell," both of which I like a lot, so she can do better than this.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 22 April 2019 21:25 (yesterday) Permalink

Perpetua going all Culture Industry with this take.

http://www.fluxblog.org/2019/04/lizzo-cultural-cartography/

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 22 April 2019 21:27 (yesterday) Permalink

Also, sometimes bad Kanye lyrics are the best Kanye lyrics.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 22 April 2019 21:27 (yesterday) Permalink

"president/precedent" is pretty poetry-slammish imo, which is not really my thing, but "estrogen/messenging" is a genuinely terrific off-rhyme. I like the x's in the chromosomes line though that's partly because it brings back fond memories of the first time I heart "Prophets of Rage." The bit about rent by myself etc. is the sort of lyric I connect with and feel a lot, it's so naked & real to me, lyrics that talk about how good it feels to put food on the table always get me. but I think most critics in 2019, when they talk about lyrics, are engaging "the narrative," you'll excuse me, not the lyrics.

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 22 April 2019 21:27 (yesterday) Permalink

estrogen/messenging is a pretty cool slant-rhyme, actually, and inseparable -- like all lyrics -- from the vocalist's delivery.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 April 2019 21:29 (yesterday) Permalink

ha, xpost!

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 April 2019 21:29 (yesterday) Permalink

I mean those lyrics are no match for these gems from Best New Track by Lil Uzi Vert

Make it rain in the club like a nasty day
Told 'em that I'm comin', oh, no ejaculate
Pastry, pocket, boy, you not havin’ cake
Fuck that overcoat and I swear your jacket late

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 April 2019 21:52 (yesterday) Permalink

sorry have all of perpetua’s takes been declared irrelevant yet

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 22 April 2019 21:57 (yesterday) Permalink

literally leaves a huge trail of garbage and slime and bullshit behind him whenever he writes

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 22 April 2019 21:58 (yesterday) Permalink

literal lol at Lil Uzi Vert

GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Monday, 22 April 2019 22:02 (yesterday) Permalink

People are like “who is this crazy man on the bus giggling at his phone”

GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Monday, 22 April 2019 22:03 (yesterday) Permalink

TIL some people genuinely take pride in working to afford the necessities of life. it really does take all kinds!

Simon H., Monday, 22 April 2019 22:04 (yesterday) Permalink

Have you literally not heard any black music before

GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Monday, 22 April 2019 22:06 (yesterday) Permalink

Turn it off for five minutes Simon

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Monday, 22 April 2019 22:07 (yesterday) Permalink

if you grew up with no zapatos
you'd celebrate the minute you been havin' dough

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 April 2019 22:07 (yesterday) Permalink

Technically I was responding to JCLC there but I'm happy to FP myself anyway

Simon H., Monday, 22 April 2019 22:09 (yesterday) Permalink

i judge all lyrical content by how it comes across when i read it written down

dyl, Monday, 22 April 2019 23:22 (yesterday) Permalink

kind of love how the discourse on this record has splintered a bunch of archetypal allegiances

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 00:12 (four hours ago) Permalink

new board desc obvi

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 00:15 (four hours ago) Permalink

my reaction to this record on first pass was that shes exceptionally talented, but a few of the song types felt a bit "this is the amy winehouse type song; this is the bruno mars type song;" of major label A&R ... but I also have not spent enough time w her work to know whether or not there's a thematic connectivity that makes these costumes serve a wider narrative, & if that wider narrative is interesting, etc. ... that said she's such an evident talent that I can see really getting into a stage of her career where she starts leaning into the personal, idiosyncratic etc.

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 00:15 (four hours ago) Permalink

this is not the same, btw, as lamenting the Algorithms the way perpetua is ... why did so many poptimists go anti-poptimist as soon as it became about spotify instead of record labels? lol

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 00:16 (four hours ago) Permalink

if this album were titled "Songs For Lizzo To Get Super Famous By" I wouldn't be mad about it

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 00:17 (four hours ago) Permalink

what's a "personal, idiosyncratic" song? Real question. Is there a gauge? A failed genre exercise is 'personal,' too, under this rubric.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 00:20 (four hours ago) Permalink

i mean, i dont think this is something that a critic (or critically thinking listener) can really get prescriptive about, i'm more theorizing a suspicion abt what lizzo project I'll end up drawn to personally than telling her what kind of music she should make ... rap music for me is partly abt small-frequency idiosyncracies of narrative style, of word choice, of flow & the subtle ways artists weave together a persona & style and how those two interact ... shes more of a pop artist so I'm not like shocked her music isn't as concerned w this

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 01:26 (three hours ago) Permalink

so like when she does her "Nebraska" lol

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 01:36 (three hours ago) Permalink

it is amazing how often the handwavy arguments about algorithms in today's music business could just as well have been applied to the machinations of radio since at least, like, the mid 80s if not even earlier

dyl, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 01:36 (three hours ago) Permalink

yeah its exceedingly annoying!! suddenly after two decades of being a poptimist you decided the popular will is ... bad?? perpetua as adorno is just an unexpected turn

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 01:43 (two hours ago) Permalink

i honestly think its just abt getting old & the platonic idea of pop in 2019 being pretty difft from the platonic ideal of 'pop' in 2001

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 01:44 (two hours ago) Permalink

the Perpetua thing is really weird, like this is from 5 years ago, a project she did with a local Mpls singer Caroline Smith when she was just doing clubs here...this whole idea her vibe is engineered is odd to me having seen her come up

https://youtu.be/vd4aLl6A_o4

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 01:52 (two hours ago) Permalink

or this her old group, The Chalice from six years ago, obv feels a lot more amateur but I feel like her vibe here is p much in line with her now

https://youtu.be/mFCPSnHk6P0

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 01:56 (two hours ago) Permalink

That let em say song feels like it wd be in the perpetua sweet spot tbh... she’s a v v good singer

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 02:15 (two hours ago) Permalink

Those are separate points

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 02:18 (two hours ago) Permalink

to spin off what dyl said about 80s radio Lizzo actually feels more like an old fashioned all around talented entertainer with strong pop instincts

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 02:43 (one hour ago) Permalink

it is amazing how often the handwavy arguments about algorithms in today's music business could just as well have been applied to the machinations of radio since at least, like, the mid 80s if not even earlier

― dyl, Monday, April 22, 2019 9:36 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

complaining about algorithms is the new rockism, and I'm not even being remotely facetious, all the same arguments have been ported over

anyway a) this album is good but not my favorite by her, so much of it feels like it's 75% there; b) I didn't view the review as mean in the slightest, the tone was very much "I like this artist but not this particular album, so I'm going to go slightly out of my way to temper every criticism with a comment about how talented she is, in the futile hope that this will placate the stans." or maybe I'm just projecting because I do that a lot in reviews

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 02:45 (one hour ago) Permalink


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