Lizzo - Big GRRRL Small World

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streaming here: http://www.spin.com/2015/12/lizzo-big-grrrl-small-world-all-eyes-on/

you're breaking the NAP (DJP), Wednesday, 9 December 2015 16:43 (three years ago) link

Will have to give a listen when I'm not at work. I saw her when she opened for S-K in Pittsburgh earlier this year and enjoyed her set a lot.

Resting Bushface (Phil D.), Wednesday, 9 December 2015 17:10 (three years ago) link

Her performance on Colbert was great. Really into this record.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDVD-PX__uc

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 12 December 2015 17:39 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

Loved seeing her on Colbert, think she's well poised to blow up a bit nwo

from the perspective of a gay man, i will post them now (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 21 January 2016 03:52 (three years ago) link

seven months pass...

this song is like fun and goofy but sounds like a bonus track and not a single

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-t4EYomPVk

laraaji p. henson (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 17 September 2016 02:10 (two years ago) link

why is she not super famous yet tho?

laraaji p. henson (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 17 September 2016 02:10 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

ok this EP is great great great. "Scuse Me" reminds me of another song (maybe even samples it?) but I cannot for the life of me place it

laraaji p. henson (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 7 October 2016 22:17 (two years ago) link

yeah this is great on contact; really into her and tkay maidza right now as next gen potential stars

the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Monday, 10 October 2016 13:34 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

She been working, working on this earworm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yzsh-PDF30

earworm by Lizzo = classic obv

Also touring with HAIM at the moment, and new album is scheduled for later this year.

sbahnhof, Monday, 9 April 2018 06:32 (one year ago) link

Yo nice

valorous wokelord (silby), Monday, 9 April 2018 14:28 (one year ago) link

nine months pass...

ya-ya-ee!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8ZI1Jlrf-w

album's out in april. can't wait

monotony, Saturday, 2 February 2019 12:26 (six months ago) link

Delightful profile in the Cut: https://www.thecut.com/2019/02/lizzo-flute-pop-star.html

monotony, Monday, 4 February 2019 08:54 (six months ago) link

They're ALL delightful profiles. Even the NME one.

"We forget that we have needs because we’re so artsy-fartsy and higher-conscious. But it’s like, no bitch, you need water and you need sunlight and you need rest – just like this fucking cactus.” Lizzo gestures to a cactus on the table between us. “This cactus might not be making a fucking hit song, but this cactus is chill and doesn’t have fucking anxiety. He’s not stressing himself out over no bitch-ass fuck-boys, you know what I mean?”

sbahnhof, Sunday, 10 February 2019 08:45 (six months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqjPqsry7no

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 14 February 2019 15:10 (six months ago) link

see this one feels like a self-conscious retro pastiche in the way I thought "Juice" managed to sidestep, huge as it sounds

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Thursday, 14 February 2019 15:18 (six months ago) link

one month passes...

Tempo!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raVe1hZxFAc

monotony, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 23:01 (five months ago) link

rrrrrrrrrrrr

moose; squirrel (silby), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 23:09 (five months ago) link

so glad she is finally, finally blowing up but also annoyed that in the span of 18 months she went from underselling a 450 person venue to selling out a 1000+ person venue in less than 10 seconds (i.e. before I could get a ticket)

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 21 March 2019 13:51 (five months ago) link

Kept reading people trying to push Tierra Whack as the “new” Missy but Lizzo makes way more sense as the substitute, she’s bombastic and fun in the same sort of way Missy was.

This collab makes me very happy.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 21 March 2019 16:30 (five months ago) link

I'm sure she wants to be more than the new Missy, but this is my fave Lizzo since Batches & Cookies

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 21 March 2019 16:41 (five months ago) link

"juice" is amazing and if it was a bruno mars song -- which it basically is -- it would be no. 1 for 5 weeks

J0rdan S., Thursday, 21 March 2019 18:18 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

the album is so much fun - brash, loud and raucous

monotony, Sunday, 21 April 2019 13:56 (four months ago) link

Yeah, I'm enjoying this album a lot. Everything here suits her brilliant personality so much.

My only complaint is I would have liked Boys to have been included, but it's no big deal really.

kitchen person, Sunday, 21 April 2019 14:05 (four months ago) link

I've decided I really need to "deej it up" about my thought leading wrt Lizzo

rolling off a molly thread 2013

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 April 2019 13:16 (four months ago) link

There's a lot of Prince in this record, yeah (like on Crybaby and Jerome esp)?

Pfork review today is terrible btw.

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 22 April 2019 14:26 (four months ago) link

I thought it was fine - threaded a tricky needle.

Simon H., Monday, 22 April 2019 14:29 (four months ago) link

but clearly some do not agree

PEOPLE WHO ‘REVIEW’ ALBUMS AND DONT MAKE MUSIC THEMSELVES SHOULD BE UNEMPLOYED

— |L I Z Z O| (@lizzo) April 22, 2019

Simon H., Monday, 22 April 2019 14:40 (four months ago) link

There's a lot of Prince in this record, yeah (like on Crybaby and Jerome esp)?

― change display name (Jordan)

Crybaby is one of my favourites. The guitar playing reminds me so much of St. Vincent, maybe something from Strange Mercy? Jerome sounds a lot like Rihanna's Love On The Brain.

kitchen person, Monday, 22 April 2019 14:43 (four months ago) link

I thought it was fine - threaded a tricky needle.

― Simon H., Monday, April 22, 2019 7:29 AM (twenty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the tricky needle of comparing lizzo to natasha bedingfield and music for yogurt commercials

review baffling and bad even as it expresses some of my own reservations about the record, lizzo’s reaction understandable but also terrible

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 22 April 2019 14:56 (four months ago) link

I was referring to separately assessing a work's social value against its artistic value and acknowledging they're somewhat misaligned at times, which requires some precision of language.

Simon H., Monday, 22 April 2019 14:58 (four months ago) link

it's kinda funny that the pfork review veers into this weird sorta cop out in the end like "don't hate us for saying this album is bland pop music" and lizzo still jumped down their throats

J0rdan S., Monday, 22 April 2019 14:59 (four months ago) link

The album shows more enthusiasm than skill, but the pop world needs at least sixteen Lizzos, so I won't complain much.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 April 2019 14:59 (four months ago) link

meghan trainor comparisons are a bridge too far

maura, Monday, 22 April 2019 15:00 (four months ago) link

Better in Color is the bi anthem for 2019 imho

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Monday, 22 April 2019 15:01 (four months ago) link

PEOPLE WHO ‘REVIEW’ ALBUMS AND DONT MAKE MUSIC THEMSELVES SHOULD BE UNEMPLOYED

they usually are these days, aren't they?

Anyway Lizzo is from H-Town so she can do no wrong

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 22 April 2019 15:05 (four months ago) link

requires some precision of language.

― Simon H., Monday, April 22, 2019 7:58 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don’t think it even did this well cf. giving over an entire paragraph to a stacey abrams quote with zero transitional setup, just preceded by a lot of cheap shots

admittedly splitting hairs about precision of language is my thing, there’s got to be a better what than being both mean and wrong on the internet

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 22 April 2019 15:08 (four months ago) link

better way*

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 22 April 2019 15:08 (four months ago) link

As far as Lizzo making a big pop album goes, this is a really damn good one. The songs are good, the production is minimal and surprising at times, in all the good ways (where what I heard of the previous record felt overstuffed and too bland for her). Idk, the review feels dismissive of the basic premise of the record and doesn't really get across how well-executed it is.

(obv rolling my eyes at Lizzo's response tweet)

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 22 April 2019 15:11 (four months ago) link

I guess the review just didn't strike me as mean in either tone or sentiment but I may not have picked up on some cues xp

Simon H., Monday, 22 April 2019 15:13 (four months ago) link

you aren't the last person to push back on me about that, maybe i just read too many things in an extremely online voice

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 22 April 2019 15:20 (four months ago) link

imo people are reading meanness into it from the comparisons being made but I don't *think* that's the intent. it's entirely possible I'm being too charitable

Simon H., Monday, 22 April 2019 15:33 (four months ago) link

I just think it's kind of petty to push back on one review given she's pretty much gotten a worldwide rimjob from the media from the moment she popped up

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 April 2019 16:37 (four months ago) link

def petty and a terrible look

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 22 April 2019 16:46 (four months ago) link

yeah but so

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Monday, 22 April 2019 17:27 (four months ago) link

None of this is important. She'll be old news in 5 seconds.

Cousin Slappy, Monday, 22 April 2019 17:35 (four months ago) link

fp'd

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Monday, 22 April 2019 17:48 (four months ago) link

i think she has the potential to be pretty huge actually

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 April 2019 18:53 (four months ago) link

THIS IS AN INVITATION TO ALL MUSIC JOURNALISTS TO KICK IT IN THE STUDIO WITH ME FOR MY NEXT ALBUM! I’d like to understand your world as much as you can understand mine https://t.co/niZhmrEvIl

— |L I Z Z O| (@lizzo) April 22, 2019

blokes you can't rust (sic), Monday, 22 April 2019 19:09 (four months ago) link

that's... not gonna work

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 22 April 2019 19:10 (four months ago) link

Have you literally not heard any black music before

GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Monday, 22 April 2019 22:06 (four months ago) link

Turn it off for five minutes Simon

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Monday, 22 April 2019 22:07 (four months ago) link

if you grew up with no zapatos
you'd celebrate the minute you been havin' dough

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 April 2019 22:07 (four months ago) link

Technically I was responding to JCLC there but I'm happy to FP myself anyway

Simon H., Monday, 22 April 2019 22:09 (four months ago) link

i judge all lyrical content by how it comes across when i read it written down

dyl, Monday, 22 April 2019 23:22 (four months ago) link

kind of love how the discourse on this record has splintered a bunch of archetypal allegiances

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 00:12 (three months ago) link

new board desc obvi

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 00:15 (three months ago) link

my reaction to this record on first pass was that shes exceptionally talented, but a few of the song types felt a bit "this is the amy winehouse type song; this is the bruno mars type song;" of major label A&R ... but I also have not spent enough time w her work to know whether or not there's a thematic connectivity that makes these costumes serve a wider narrative, & if that wider narrative is interesting, etc. ... that said she's such an evident talent that I can see really getting into a stage of her career where she starts leaning into the personal, idiosyncratic etc.

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 00:15 (three months ago) link

this is not the same, btw, as lamenting the Algorithms the way perpetua is ... why did so many poptimists go anti-poptimist as soon as it became about spotify instead of record labels? lol

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 00:16 (three months ago) link

if this album were titled "Songs For Lizzo To Get Super Famous By" I wouldn't be mad about it

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 00:17 (three months ago) link

what's a "personal, idiosyncratic" song? Real question. Is there a gauge? A failed genre exercise is 'personal,' too, under this rubric.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 00:20 (three months ago) link

i mean, i dont think this is something that a critic (or critically thinking listener) can really get prescriptive about, i'm more theorizing a suspicion abt what lizzo project I'll end up drawn to personally than telling her what kind of music she should make ... rap music for me is partly abt small-frequency idiosyncracies of narrative style, of word choice, of flow & the subtle ways artists weave together a persona & style and how those two interact ... shes more of a pop artist so I'm not like shocked her music isn't as concerned w this

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 01:26 (three months ago) link

so like when she does her "Nebraska" lol

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 01:36 (three months ago) link

it is amazing how often the handwavy arguments about algorithms in today's music business could just as well have been applied to the machinations of radio since at least, like, the mid 80s if not even earlier

dyl, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 01:36 (three months ago) link

yeah its exceedingly annoying!! suddenly after two decades of being a poptimist you decided the popular will is ... bad?? perpetua as adorno is just an unexpected turn

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 01:43 (three months ago) link

i honestly think its just abt getting old & the platonic idea of pop in 2019 being pretty difft from the platonic ideal of 'pop' in 2001

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 01:44 (three months ago) link

the Perpetua thing is really weird, like this is from 5 years ago, a project she did with a local Mpls singer Caroline Smith when she was just doing clubs here...this whole idea her vibe is engineered is odd to me having seen her come up

https://youtu.be/vd4aLl6A_o4

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 01:52 (three months ago) link

or this her old group, The Chalice from six years ago, obv feels a lot more amateur but I feel like her vibe here is p much in line with her now

https://youtu.be/mFCPSnHk6P0

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 01:56 (three months ago) link

That let em say song feels like it wd be in the perpetua sweet spot tbh... she’s a v v good singer

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 02:15 (three months ago) link

Those are separate points

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 02:18 (three months ago) link

to spin off what dyl said about 80s radio Lizzo actually feels more like an old fashioned all around talented entertainer with strong pop instincts

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 02:43 (three months ago) link

it is amazing how often the handwavy arguments about algorithms in today's music business could just as well have been applied to the machinations of radio since at least, like, the mid 80s if not even earlier

― dyl, Monday, April 22, 2019 9:36 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

complaining about algorithms is the new rockism, and I'm not even being remotely facetious, all the same arguments have been ported over

anyway a) this album is good but not my favorite by her, so much of it feels like it's 75% there; b) I didn't view the review as mean in the slightest, the tone was very much "I like this artist but not this particular album, so I'm going to go slightly out of my way to temper every criticism with a comment about how talented she is, in the futile hope that this will placate the stans." or maybe I'm just projecting because I do that a lot in reviews

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 02:45 (three months ago) link

Natasha Bedingfield is just a highly tenuous and random name to drop in 2019 (seriously how many readers would even remember her?) And putting her in this context, especially up against Aretha, is always going to look like you're ladling on the damnation and sprinkling on a tiny bit of faint praise.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 08:00 (three months ago) link

Also I don't think it's controversial to suggest that the boundaries of what does and doesn't constitute 'good rapping' (or good rap lyrics) have become so elastic over the last decade or so that it's OK to raise an eyebrow when a writer or publication chooses to start enforcing them in some cases and not others. And to interrogate the reasons for that.

FWIW I don't actually enjoy Lizzo's music that much and haven't felt the urge to hear this yet - but the review doesn't read to me like its meeting the music half way. It might be trying to meet the artist half way, or the message, or the fans, but that's not quite the same thing.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 08:09 (three months ago) link

Natasha Bedingfield is just a highly tenuous and random name to drop in 2019 (seriously how many readers would even remember her?)


clearly you haven’t been following the news of THE HILLS reboot

maura, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 10:51 (three months ago) link

I really thought you were joking at first

GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 11:42 (three months ago) link

Dan... your jacket late on that one homie

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 11:44 (three months ago) link

tashbed is one of those artists like ashlee simpson whose reputation is wildly different between the critical bubble and most other people

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 12:25 (three months ago) link

I have no dog in this fight but someone here at work just played that "juice" song and surely I'm not the only person to notice its similarity to this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4306i99LMXo

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 12:31 (three months ago) link

it is amazing how often the handwavy arguments about algorithms in today's music business could just as well have been applied to the machinations of radio since at least, like, the mid 80s if not even earlier

― dyl, Monday, April 22, 2019 9:36 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah its exceedingly annoying!! suddenly after two decades of being a poptimist you decided the popular will is ... bad?? perpetua as adorno is just an unexpected turn

― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, April 22, 2019 9:43 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i honestly think its just abt getting old & the platonic idea of pop in 2019 being pretty difft from the platonic ideal of 'pop' in 2001

― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, April 22, 2019 9:44 PM (yesterday) Bookmark

it needs to be acknowledged tho that the fixation on algorithms and pop music is an outgrowth of the fixation on algorithms and our every day lives in general. radio programmers weren't organizing our friendships or news in the mid 80s. it's a relevant conversation your points notwithstanding

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 April 2019 20:49 (three months ago) link

also for all the handwringing about how algorithms and cultural cartography and ad placements are affecting our relationship w pop music..... lizzo isn't popping on any charts

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 April 2019 20:55 (three months ago) link

I guess the album was number 1 on iTunes but who knows what that means anymore

but yeah I really agree with everyone that Lizzo is an EXTREMELY weird artist to hang the algorithms have changed music argument, she's had a very traditional career arc building up little by little over 6-7 years through working, touring, steady releases until signed to a major, tv and festival appearances, placement in tv and commercials, making music videos etc....

I'd argue her arc honestly could have been about the same 20 years ago

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 21:23 (three months ago) link

The album is currently #1 on iTunes and #12 on Apple Music in the US, so it will probably debut quite high on the Billboard 200 next week.

breastcrawl, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 21:24 (three months ago) link

ha xp

breastcrawl, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 21:24 (three months ago) link

itunes is a small sliver compared to apple

maura, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 21:31 (three months ago) link

she's had a very traditional career arc building up little by little over 6-7 years through working, touring, steady releases until signed to a major, tv and festival appearances, placement in tv and commercials, making music videos etc....

she even "broke" on Ellen's show.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 21:36 (three months ago) link

itunes is a small sliver compared to apple

so “quite high” would be apt then, no?

breastcrawl, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 21:42 (three months ago) link

fwiw, on the (US) spotify chart the highest she is currently is #91 with "Truth Hurts," so if the evil algorithms are conspiring they're not doing a very good job of it

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 02:07 (three months ago) link

i've heard "juice" on one of the adult r&b stations here a couple times. (it's #28, down from its peak at 26 but still bulleted, on that format's billboard chart.)

the same station has played an ad for the album plenty of times tho. i noticed the same kind of ad for janelle monae's album when it came out, so i assume that's the kind of thing a label will do for an artist with a new album when their single isn't very far up the airplay charts yet. ("i like that" from janelle's album did end up being a big hit at that format, but not until like 6 months after the album's release.)

dyl, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 03:02 (three months ago) link

relatives of mine who aren't big rap fans, are excited by her. The retro aspects and Missie Elliot influence and the singing are likely factors I am guessing

curmudgeon, Thursday, 25 April 2019 04:17 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

.@Lizzo slayed "Truth Hurts"!! 😍👰🏾 #BETAwards pic.twitter.com/BxtjsgzuWG

— BET (@BET) June 24, 2019

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 24 June 2019 13:17 (one month ago) link

her breakthrough hit being a song that is nearly two years old is not something i expected

dyl, Monday, 24 June 2019 13:40 (one month ago) link

the power of the Netflix soundtrack bump.

Roz, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 03:03 (one month ago) link

i heard “juice” on the iheart pop radio station today - it was no. 2 on their nationwide countdown

and she’s playing a secret show sponsored by the other pop station tonight

maura, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 00:10 (one month ago) link

"new man on the minnesota vikings" is an incredible pop lyric

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 June 2019 06:41 (one month ago) link

Has anyone else seen a small segment of Black Feminist Twitter getting mad at Lizzo because she trademarked the lyric "I did a DNA test and found out I'm 100% that bitch", which came from a random person's 2017 tweet then got turned into a meme, which is how Lizzo saw it and where she lifted it from (and apparently gave credit back to when asked about it) but didn't give credit back to the woman who originally tweeted it because... Lizzo didn't know this woman existed when she wrote the song?

me, seeing that yet another Black woman ripped the words of a Black woman creative on twitter and leans into defensive gaslighting rather than admitting they made moves to profit from IP they didn’t create: pic.twitter.com/TlxiI5hF5A

— ashley yates (@brownblaze) June 25, 2019

For context, before I saw this I also saw the same segment of Twitter dismissing her as Black Music For White People, which IMO is standard "black people being shitty about black people with ties to Minnesota" bullshit

brigadier pudding (DJP), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 13:52 (one month ago) link

yeah saw that, this thread is the original tweeter I guess (original tweet in second tweet in thread)

I still till this day struggle with the fact that a fat black woman got famous off what I said and I wasn’t that woman looooooooool

— whew!na (@MinaLioness) June 25, 2019

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 14:01 (one month ago) link

Great set at Glastonbury which seemed to go down really well with everyone

groovypanda, Saturday, 29 June 2019 20:13 (one month ago) link

top trending artist on Apple Music as of this morning.

piscesx, Monday, 1 July 2019 13:31 (one month ago) link

Glastonbury set was great but she needs a band behind her really, she's a fantastic live performer but the sound was slightly off, everything that wasn't her voice was too quiet.

Matt DC, Monday, 1 July 2019 17:38 (one month ago) link


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