Led Zeppelin - Presence

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"Presence is just perfection." - Jim O'Rourke

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Achilles Last Stand 37
Nobody's Fault But Mine 15
Hots on for Nowhere 9
Tea for One 6
For Your Life 3
Royal Orleans 1
Candy Store Rock 0


flappy bird, Monday, 31 August 2015 18:42 (four years ago) link

Only one option

Οὖτις, Monday, 31 August 2015 18:46 (four years ago) link

I dunno, I may go with "Hots On" for Page's least-Pagey solo, or "Nobody's Fault" for the harmonica + Bonham exploding bit.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 31 August 2015 18:50 (four years ago) link

I know the way, know the way, know the way, know the way

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Monday, 31 August 2015 18:51 (four years ago) link

If I had to pick one besides Achilles though, it'd be For Your Life, I love that groove in the middle ("Do you really really wanna?")

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Monday, 31 August 2015 18:51 (four years ago) link

Hots on for Nowhere because of the amazing drumming, the false ending, and the "la-la-la"s.

Mr. Snrub, Monday, 31 August 2015 21:47 (four years ago) link

I could go with any one of these but Play Count says "For Your Life."

Gett Off, Eileen (WilliamC), Monday, 31 August 2015 22:39 (four years ago) link

I have hard time thinking anything could top Achilles Last Stand although Nobody's Fault But Mine is a nasty riffer and played much, much more often on FM radio over the years.

Achilles Last Stand to me is their wildest epic tune. It wasn't a radio hit at all and it's kinda gnarly and speeded up. It's about as manic as Led Zep got. Wheels of Confusion is a similar epic tune for Sabbath.

Tea for One is one I dig quite a bit now that never really caught with me as a teenager. It is Zep getting back into the slow and intense blues burners like "I Can't Quit You Baby" or "Since I Have Been Loving You". I think this particular type of Led Zep song could have been the style an older Zep could have embraced and perhaps even extended. Plant surely from "The Big Log" on has done plays off that style quite a bit in his solo career. That recent version of "Morning Dew" he did a few years ago gets that vibe. (I'd figure it possible that the original Zep might have done "Morning Dew" as it was such a popular song in various singers and bands repertoire.)

earlnash, Monday, 31 August 2015 23:10 (four years ago) link

man 'achilles' is a godhead and i almost feel like i'm homer saying barney's movie had heart but football in the groin had a football in the groin but 'hots on for nowhere' is maybe the zenith (ok maybe 'the ocean' is the zenith) of that loose tossed off mode that is zep at their most charming to me

balls, Monday, 31 August 2015 23:12 (four years ago) link

yeah I voted for "Hots" with "Tea" second

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 August 2015 23:17 (four years ago) link

Voted for the one that's over 10 minutes long, begins with the letter 'A', is the opening track on the album and is the best thing on this record by miles.

You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 04:57 (four years ago) link

i also voted for "tea for one"

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 05:51 (four years ago) link

N-N-N-N-N-N-N-O-O-O-O-BODY'S FAULT

droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 06:56 (four years ago) link

'nother vote for Adrian Chiles Last Stand

feargal czukay (NickB), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 07:21 (four years ago) link

"Achilles" by miles and miles. Towers over the rest of the album in my opinion.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 12:07 (four years ago) link

http://hedvigmollestadtrio.bandcamp.com/track/achilles

rushomancy, Tuesday, 1 September 2015 12:21 (four years ago) link

Here's where I show my age: Wanted to vote for "In the Evening" here.

That four-CD set they put out in the early 90s, where the sequencing wasn't in chronological order, did a number on my memory.

pplains, Tuesday, 1 September 2015 13:38 (four years ago) link

Here's where I also throw down the dare to combine Presence and In Through the Out Door into one single LP.

pplains, Tuesday, 1 September 2015 13:39 (four years ago) link

interesting idea but they are probably the two zep albums that sound the most differernt from each other production wise, presence is so dry and stripped down, out door is synthy and proto 80s

Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 13:42 (four years ago) link

I could probably get it down to an EP for you.

Simply Sensational (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 13:43 (four years ago) link

presence is so dry and stripped down, out door is synthy and proto 80s

I agree with those descriptions, but they're closer together in my mind than any of the others.

pplains, Tuesday, 1 September 2015 13:54 (four years ago) link

the historical consensus, that Achilles Last Stand is greater than anything else on this album by a good distance, is correct.

tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 13:58 (four years ago) link

presence is so dry and stripped down, out door is synthy and proto 80s

I agree with those descriptions, but they're closer together in my mind than any of the others.

― pplains, Tuesday, September 1, 2015 8:54 AM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i agree with the concept just saying, unfortunately unlike trying to do a mix of, like, i don't know Houses of the Holy and Physical Grafitti into one album or I and II into one album or something like that it'd be hard to make it sound like one album because the production differences are so stark but yeah Zep breaks down pretty nicely into 2 album "eras" for me:

I & II
III & IV
Houses of the Holy/Physical Grafitti
Presence/ITTOD

works pretty neatly

Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 14:20 (four years ago) link

They really dropped the ball on not having a song called "Physical Graffiti" appear on The Song Remains the Same soundtrack.

pplains, Tuesday, 1 September 2015 14:23 (four years ago) link

I always found the cover art on this one to be out of character -- it looks like a post punk record.

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 14:40 (four years ago) link

Here's where I also throw down the dare to combine Presence and In Through the Out Door into one single LP.

― pplains, Tuesday, September 1, 2015 8:39 AM (1 hour ago)

I'll go you one better and add their best outtake.

Side A, 23.58
In the Evening — 6.53
For Your Life — 6.25
Achilles Last Stand — 10.30

Side B, 23.11
Royal Orleans — 2.59
Carouselambra — 10.34
Candy Store Rock — 4.11
Wearing and Tearing — 5.27

Total time about 47 minutes, tight but doable.

Gett Off, Eileen (WilliamC), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 15:12 (four years ago) link

JPJ's 8-string bass playing should have taken over the world but didn't.

Three Word Username, Tuesday, 1 September 2015 15:22 (four years ago) link

"Hots on for Nowhere" for its general funkyness and that really weird hanging-on-a-note guitar solo

Lee626, Tuesday, 1 September 2015 15:31 (four years ago) link

That would work for me, WmC. Might try that out in a bit.

pplains, Tuesday, 1 September 2015 17:14 (four years ago) link

Presence/ITTOD combined: Achilles, Royal Orleans, Hots On, Carouselambra, Southbound, Fool, Hot Dog

Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 1 September 2015 18:05 (four years ago) link

iiin the eeeeeeevvvennniiiiiiiiing

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 18:06 (four years ago) link

is boring

Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 1 September 2015 18:18 (four years ago) link

My combination of Presence/ITTOD as one LP:

A1 Achilles Last Stand
A2 For Your Life
A3 Royal Orleans

B1 Nobody's Fault But Mine
B2 Candy Store Rock
B3 Hots On For Nowhere
B4 Tea For One

rushomancy, Tuesday, 1 September 2015 18:23 (four years ago) link

lol

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 18:35 (four years ago) link

otm

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 18:35 (four years ago) link

I would at least throw 'South Bound Suarez' a bone.

Simply Sensational (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 18:37 (four years ago) link

Holy shit, I just noticed for the first time ever that it's 'Saurez', not 'Suarez'. As in 'dino-saurez'?

Simply Sensational (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 18:39 (four years ago) link

My combination of Presence/In Through The Out Door as one LP:

A1 Achilles Last Stand

Followed by turning it off and putting Physical Graffiti on.

You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 18:43 (four years ago) link

aw

Gett Off, Eileen (WilliamC), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 18:48 (four years ago) link

I like the way you think, Turrican.

Simply Sensational (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 18:51 (four years ago) link

stop with the paring down. theyre both great all the way through

flappy bird, Tuesday, 1 September 2015 19:03 (four years ago) link

Page on "For Your Life" is a nice mix of precision and absent-minded whammy bar-testing.

bentelec, Tuesday, 1 September 2015 19:04 (four years ago) link

I always found the cover art on this one to be out of character -- it looks like a post punk record.

man I was nine years old on the floor of my babysitter's teenage son's bedroom going through his LPs to try and understand the music these grown-up boys listened to and just TRIPPING on the Presence sleeve. It would have been new or nearly brand new and it felt like it was something so weird and deep and impenetrable, I would look and look and look. At that one, and at Wish You Were Here. It is a weird fit for the sounds, but since IV they'd been going for a pretty mysterious vibe with Hipgnosis.

tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 21:12 (four years ago) link

I like WmC's reduction, makes for a muscular listen, especially with Wearing and Tearing. Seems like mixing the best of Presence (achilles) with ITTOD (carouselambra) yields... Trans Am.

For all the chops and power of Achilles tho I'm going with Tea For One, cos of the aura.

Portugal minus Pedro Foster Cage (Spectrist), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 23:37 (four years ago) link

For Your Life needs to be half as long and twice as fast.

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 2 September 2015 00:47 (four years ago) link

^ i did this in audacity last night and it was fucking awesome

flappy bird, Wednesday, 2 September 2015 17:52 (four years ago) link

Haha, me too.

pplains, Wednesday, 2 September 2015 17:57 (four years ago) link

Canyuknowwhoaowitrollsanyureallyfeeelit? UH - OH OHH.....

pplains, Wednesday, 2 September 2015 17:58 (four years ago) link

You'll all be slowing down Achilles to half-speed to make it last the length of a 20 minute side next!

Turrican, Wednesday, 2 September 2015 17:59 (four years ago) link

I think part of what makes Achilles so masterful is that it'd just be a boring, gradually deflating jam in the hands of almost any other band, but they're able to both sustain and control such a high level of intensity throughout the track, kicking it up just a little bit more and then bringing it back down when needed.

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 2 September 2015 18:07 (four years ago) link

Crap this is fun, here's my Presence/Out Door/Coda:

Fool In The Rain
Nobody's Fault But Mine
For Your Life
In The Evening
All My Love
South Bound Saurez
Achilles Last Stand
Wearing and Tearing

campreverb, Thursday, 17 September 2015 15:04 (four years ago) link

i couldn't tell any difference between "Two Ones are Won" and "Achilles," what's going on there?

flappy bird, Thursday, 17 September 2015 17:26 (four years ago) link

Voted for Tea for One with Nobody's Fault a close close 2nd.

The vocal performance on Achilles always bothered me. I know Plant was recovering from injury at the time, but it's unfortunate that carried over into his takes.

octobeard, Thursday, 17 September 2015 21:52 (four years ago) link

never notice how crazily loud the bass guitar is mixed on "For Your Life", it's awesome

Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 18 September 2015 13:25 (four years ago) link

wtf is 'Saurez' anyway

calstars, Friday, 18 September 2015 19:07 (four years ago) link

a typo

Mr. Snrub, Friday, 18 September 2015 19:12 (four years ago) link

Why on earth do I keep singing sections of Level 42's "Something About You" over "10 Ribs & All"?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 18 September 2015 19:55 (four years ago) link

...and "Carrot Pod" sounds like the jam of an early 80s SNL credits roll

...which is not to say I don't like this obsurity!

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 18 September 2015 19:57 (four years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Sunday, 27 September 2015 00:01 (four years ago) link

do you do you wannaaaaa

flappy bird, Sunday, 27 September 2015 22:20 (four years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Monday, 28 September 2015 00:01 (four years ago) link

Yup, could totally predict that top 2.

Turrican, Monday, 28 September 2015 00:51 (four years ago) link

I was going to make a playlist of the winners for each album but it looks like we haven't done polls for I, II and IV. Or I just can't find them.

Exit, pursued by Yogi Berra (WilliamC), Monday, 28 September 2015 01:17 (four years ago) link

(kinda surprised Carouselambra didn't win for ITTOD)

Exit, pursued by Yogi Berra (WilliamC), Monday, 28 September 2015 01:18 (four years ago) link

If I had to pick one besides Achilles though, it'd be For Your Life, I love that groove in the middle ("Do you really really wanna?")

This is where I'm at. That whole breakdown is amazing.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 28 September 2015 01:38 (four years ago) link

eight months pass...

Why wasn't this well received when it came out? It's one of the most well produced rock records I've ever heard, and it's the most muscular thing they ever did. Over saturation after conquering the world in the first half of the '70s? I don't find Plant's vocals strained at all, despite his condition.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 31 May 2016 00:09 (four years ago) link

ccording to Dave Lewis, "The direct, hard-hitting nature of the seven recordings failed to connect with a fan base more accustomed to the diversity and experimental edge of their previous work.[ 21 ] Page later acknowledged that, because the album conveys a sense of urgency resulting from the troubled circumstances in which it was recorded, "it's not an easy album for a lot of people to access ... [ I ]t's not an easy album for a lot of people to listen to."[ 22 ]

However, despite its initially subdued reception, Lewis considers that Presence

has become a much underrated element of their catalogue. The basic drums-bass-guitars formula may lack the diversity of previous Zeppelin sets, but in terms of sheer energy, 'Presence' packs a considerable punch, and has emerged as one of their most potent performances... This album is also a triumph for Jimmy Page. His production and dominant guitar style has an urgency and passion that reflects the troubled period that the group were going through at the time. 'Presence' is Led Zeppelin with their backs against the wall.[ 3 ]

a man a plan alive (man alive), Tuesday, 31 May 2016 03:55 (four years ago) link

eight months pass...

The way I see it, Plant and Bonham were the core of LZ, with Page and Jones adding color

calstars, Monday, 20 February 2017 00:23 (three years ago) link

I dont think this band works if you remove any of the four, they're all crucial

Οὖτις, Monday, 20 February 2017 00:30 (three years ago) link

Why wasn't this well received when it came out? It's one of the most well produced rock records I've ever heard, and it's the most muscular thing they ever did. Over saturation after conquering the world in the first half of the '70s? I don't find Plant's vocals strained at all, despite his condition.

The songwriting is not particularly strong outside of three tracks here.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 20 February 2017 12:32 (three years ago) link

(everyone immediately disagrees on said third track)

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 20 February 2017 12:33 (three years ago) link

Plant was always the weakest link in this band.

Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Monday, 20 February 2017 19:31 (three years ago) link

Οὖτις OTM, these are both insane positions imo:

The way I see it, Plant and Bonham were the core of LZ, with Page and Jones adding color

Plant was always the weakest link in this band.

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Monday, 20 February 2017 19:33 (three years ago) link

Well, let's think about this...

Remove Bonham and you remove the excellent, hard-hitting rhythms.

Remove JPJ and you remove the excellent, often intricate bass work and superb keyboard and/or string arrangements.

Remove Page and you remove the riffs.

Remove Plant and you remove the guy that goes "oOoOoOoOoOo" and shrieks half-inched blues lyrics and stuff about Lord of the Rings over a superbly played backing track.

Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Monday, 20 February 2017 19:42 (three years ago) link

I mean, I wouldn't want to remove any one element from Zeppelin's music, but if I had to...

Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Monday, 20 February 2017 19:44 (three years ago) link

Remove Plant and you remove the guy that goes "oOoOoOoOoOo" and shrieks half-inched blues lyrics and stuff about Lord of the Rings over a superbly played backing track.

― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), M

so replace him with Bryan Ferry then

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 February 2017 19:45 (three years ago) link

Ian Gillan.

Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Monday, 20 February 2017 19:46 (three years ago) link

Shakey OTM. The focus shifts continually, but they all have to be in the frame.

scattered, smothered, covered, diced and chunked (WilliamC), Monday, 20 February 2017 20:13 (three years ago) link

Plant's the guy writing the melodies over the tunes. I don't think any other vocalist of his generation would have made the same melodic choices; put any other hard rock vocalist of the era in Plant's position and the lyrics would remain baby-baby British blues stuff anchored to the tonic. Plant's solo work, whose peaks are lofty indeed, bears this out: he's a great musician with real vision.

though the tempest rages, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 20 February 2017 20:58 (three years ago) link

Put any other hard rock vocalist in Plant's position and the singing on 'The Song Remains The Same' may have been far more tolerable.

Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Monday, 20 February 2017 21:00 (three years ago) link

nine months pass...

#hotsonfornowhere

calstars, Thursday, 23 November 2017 00:43 (two years ago) link

The assessment of this album being 'Achilles Last Stand' and 'Nobody's Fault But Mine' plus a lot of sub-par Zeppelin is still OTM.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 23 November 2017 07:19 (two years ago) link

you're so wrong I don't even know where to start

calstars, Thursday, 23 November 2017 12:18 (two years ago) link

otm

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 November 2017 14:31 (two years ago) link

#hotsonfornowhere

― calstars, Wednesday, November 22, 2017 7:43 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm. the rhythm section is so weird on this song. the way the drums switch to doubletime but the rest of the band keeps the same tempo so funky and disorienting

voodoo chili, Thursday, 23 November 2017 18:37 (two years ago) link

Very difficult song to play drums on, for sure. Even air drumming the fills on the “oh oh” part is hard as fuck

calstars, Thursday, 23 November 2017 20:26 (two years ago) link

my favorite Zeppelin album

flappy bird, Thursday, 23 November 2017 22:28 (two years ago) link

Yeah, I'll never understand that - not when this band released six stone cold classics in a row prior to this, which was their weakest record up to that point until they followed it up with one worse.

It's another one of those records that suffers from "Gaucho syndrome" - where people actually got it right first time around.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 23 November 2017 22:55 (two years ago) link

It's easy to understand if you consider every Zep LP (exceot ITTOD) the best one.

And yeah, HOFN is a jam

Scape: Goat-fired like a dog! (Myonga Vön Bontee), Friday, 24 November 2017 00:47 (two years ago) link

Presence isn't as good as most of the other Zeppelin albums, no. It's more fragmented. It suffers by comparison. It's still considerably better than "two good songs and nothing" -- that's, like, weirdly "is it a banger or not???" thinking. Zep are considerably more interesting than that imo

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 24 November 2017 00:51 (two years ago) link

my favorite Zeppelin album

― flappy bird, Thursday, November 23, 2017 4:28 PM (two hours ago)

same, by a mile

WilliamC, Friday, 24 November 2017 01:18 (two years ago) link

and this isn't the fault of any of the records, but Presence is also the least culturally saturated Zep LP. I didn't listen to Led Zeppelin until about 2 years ago (right around when I made this poll). but songs like "Heartbreaker," "Kashmir," "Immigrant Song," "Dazed & Confused," "No Quarter," "When the Levee Breaks," "All My Love," "Whole Lotta Love," "Black Dog"... they're inescapable. And I love all their records. But the combination of Presence being completely fresh to me, along with its very straightforward no-frills meat&potatoes rock sound, appeal to me much more than all of their other records, which have much more dramatic narrative and sonic arcs. The epics, the acoustic songs, the drum solos, the riff-dozers. Presence is also one of the greatest examples of a band that's just really fucking tight and together with each other and well oiled and powerful, the kind of power and chemistry that can only come from years of playing & touring, and obviously the talent of the individuals.

flappy bird, Friday, 24 November 2017 01:41 (two years ago) link

eleven months pass...

thank you Greta Van Fleet for bringing me back to this record

flappy bird, Saturday, 27 October 2018 04:45 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

https://i.imgur.com/jaVmPCm.jpg

calstars, Friday, 22 May 2020 00:48 (one week ago) link

precience

budo jeru, Friday, 22 May 2020 00:50 (one week ago) link

oh hell yeah

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 22 May 2020 00:50 (one week ago) link

"alexa, what is the strange plastic alien object in the center of the room that this entire family seems creepily infatuated with ?"

budo jeru, Friday, 22 May 2020 00:59 (one week ago) link

yikes i made a typo i meant prescience **

budo jeru, Friday, 22 May 2020 01:16 (one week ago) link

if you're not taking advantage of quarantine to carve/whittle your own Object it's probably never going to happen

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 22 May 2020 01:20 (one week ago) link

fortunately i have insurance that will cover that and don't need to DIY

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 22 May 2020 02:32 (one week ago) link


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