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maybe there should be a demi thread huh

― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Tuesday, August 4, 2015 12:21 PM (7 minutes ago)

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 16:30 (two years ago) Permalink

shocked tihs didn't exist (maybe it did, too lazy to search)

anyway the single is perfect, which is very strange because every single from the past few albums was mediocre to awfu.

for sale: baby shoes, never worn your ass (katherine), Tuesday, 4 August 2015 16:30 (two years ago) Permalink

How we got here...

then I heard Demi Lovato's "Cool for the Summer," and that song is dope.

At this point, I feel like the only person left who thinks this song is nbd.

― Johnny Fever, Monday, August 3, 2015 1:34 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

At this point, I feel like the only person left who thinks this song is nbd.

I agree tbh

― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Monday, August 3, 2015 2:06 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Cool For The Summer is better than anything on the CRJ album imo

― lex pretend, Tuesday, August 4, 2015 1:08 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I just died. I am dead now.

― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, August 4, 2015 1:10 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

for the record, also not a "cool for the summer" fan

― let's not get too excited w/ the ouches (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, August 4, 2015 1:35 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Cool For The Summer is better than anything on the CRJ album imo

i love "cool for the summer" and no. "cool for the summer" is like nearly as overcooked as "i really like you"

― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, August 4, 2015 1:55 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I just listened to Cool For The Summer for the first time. It sucks. Really quite obnoxious

― Number None, Tuesday, August 4, 2015 4:57 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

CRJ well on her way to winning that robyn fanbase of ppl who find actual pop obnoxious then!

― lex pretend, Tuesday, August 4, 2015 8:03 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i do like cool for the summer but I can also easily see the obnoxious knock, its not far from the return of Justice † (Cross)

― johnny crunch, Tuesday, August 4, 2015 8:31 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I just listened to Cool For The Summer for the first time. It sucks. Really quite obnoxious

― Number None, Tuesday, August 4, 2015 4:57 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'd buy that if the people saying they didn't care for it weren't also fans of other "actual pop", but it's more likely that they just don't like the song and/or just disagreed with your somewhat trolling statement.

― Greer, Tuesday, August 4, 2015 10:34 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't even think Cool for the Summer is obnoxious. I just think it's completely ordinary, and when people started calling it the song of the summer or one of the best singles of the year I COULD NOT FIGURE OUT WHY! As Max Martin jams go, it's completely unremarkable and the amount that people claim to love it is entirely disproportionate to what it deserves.

― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, August 4, 2015 10:58 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

CRJ well on her way to winning that robyn fanbase of ppl who find actual pop obnoxious then!

"actual pop" seems to be an awfully mobile goalpost here

― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Tuesday, August 4, 2015 11:09 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"cool for the summer" is near-perfect and how you respond to 0:44 may well be a good litmus test of how you feel about pop in general

― for sale: baby shoes, never worn your ass (katherine), Tuesday, August 4, 2015 11:23 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

is it normal for people to have the exact same arguments about chart pop that my friends used to have in high school about what was real goth and what wasn't, or is this that newfangled poptimism stuff i'm always hearing the kids talk about

― james brooks, Tuesday, August 4, 2015 11:26 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Second time I heard Cool for the Summer is was def. more obnoxious. Still cool song though, once I divorce it from any context.

It's a little late to be song of the summer, though, just as Uptown Funk was too early. Maybe because last summer had two songs of the summer we're due for an off year.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, August 4, 2015 11:28 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I've been listening to it on a loop for the last 30 minutes and I'm liking it more than before, but I also agree with johnny crunch's assertion that "its not far from the return of Justice † (Cross)". If it had been released by someone on Ed Banger four years ago instead of by a Demi Lovato type in 2015, nobody would've given a care.

― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, August 4, 2015 11:30 AM (59 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the instrumental of "summer" is nicely propulsive, and the vocal has some nice detail work, it's the try-hard lyrics that grate for me

― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Tuesday, August 4, 2015 11:31 AM (59 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and yes it def has some Justice qualities but I also hear that in "Boy Problems" (I think?), that hypercompressed bass sound

― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Tuesday, August 4, 2015 11:32 AM (57 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Cool For The Summer is the sort of thing I would like if it weren't for the gay baiting same-sex hookups as fun temporary summer diversion theme it has going on, which is pretty much the exact reason I didn't like I Kissed A Girl back in '08. Though Cool For The Summer is a better song than that one, I'll admit.

― Greer, Tuesday, August 4, 2015 11:32 AM (57 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"cool for the summer" is legit

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, August 4, 2015 11:34 AM (56 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

if it weren't for the gay baiting same-sex hookups as fun temporary summer diversion theme it has going on

Songwriters are obvs still grasping at straws about how to properly write about post-hetero/homo/bisexual themes in pop music (probably the same way a lot of listeners are). imo fuck who you want every day of the week.

― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, August 4, 2015 11:56 AM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

simon h otm, especially the way that hyper-compressed bass is chopped up as a fill.

the †ey aspects of "cool for the summer" sound more like post-† "bloghouse" 07-09 imo, at best mstrkfrt or electro-era boys noize...mixed with early katy perry or maybe a little jessie j

― soyrev, Tuesday, August 4, 2015 12:12 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

imo the little woodwind-y synth trill before she starts singing the chorus takes it beyond a mere justice-style bludgeoning

― Merdeyeux, Tuesday, August 4, 2015 12:18 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

how you respond to 0:44 may well be a good litmus test of how you feel about pop in general

This is interesting to me. Maybe you're right, but it's interesting that a heavy blues guitar lick would be a current litmus test. I guess licks like this suggest an electronic music lineage too now.

― timellison, Tuesday, August 4, 2015 12:20 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

meant more the burst leading into the chorus

― for sale: baby shoes, never worn your ass (katherine), Tuesday, August 4, 2015 12:28 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 16:33 (two years ago) Permalink

Anyone heard the new Carly Rae Jepsen?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 16:41 (two years ago) Permalink

lol

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 16:43 (two years ago) Permalink

'cool for the summer' is so derivative it hurts to hear -- for someone who is supposed to be a talent

surm, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 16:46 (two years ago) Permalink

ok then i'll repost this here:

the hard, snaking vocal glissando when she sings "body tyyyyyyyyype" blew my mind the first time I heard it. I can't recall this particular melodic trick being used in another pop song, so it sounds super-fresh to me. also just a brilliant hook.

J. Sam, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 16:47 (two years ago) Permalink

and yeah, the song is basically ed banger redux, but it's really well-done, so i'm not mad at it

J. Sam, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 16:48 (two years ago) Permalink

if it were produced better, i would be less mad at it. not even the production impresses me. if she were beating someone else at this old game, i would also be more impressed; instead it just sounds like a flat imitation to me.

surm, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 16:50 (two years ago) Permalink

Out of all the Demi Lovato songs I've ever taken the time to listen to, Cool for the Summer is the one I like the most.

Kind of promised myself I'd ignore her forever after this commercial began airing, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhYmgINFVEA

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 16:50 (two years ago) Permalink

the first two demi lovato records are like disney's my chemical romance and i love them a lot

pop demi is really hit or miss but "cool for the summer" is wonderful

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, 4 August 2015 17:02 (two years ago) Permalink

The 0:44 section unfortunately reminds me of Bodyrockers, but it’ll probably grow on me.

Vasco da Gama, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 17:35 (two years ago) Permalink

essentially 'cool for the summer' is this song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50-_oTkmF5I

and i actually remotely like that song. just not for Demi.

surm, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 17:38 (two years ago) Permalink

what how

for sale: baby shoes, never worn your ass (katherine), Tuesday, 4 August 2015 17:42 (two years ago) Permalink

just what it sounds like to me. i can hear the mashup now of both choruses. i don't have science to back it up, but there it is.

surm, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 17:43 (two years ago) Permalink

both hooks play with with a v similar interval

surm, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 17:44 (two years ago) Permalink

and tempo

surm, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 17:45 (two years ago) Permalink

mashup = we're cool for the summer//la da di da da da daaaaaaaaahhhhh//cool for the summer!

surm, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 17:50 (two years ago) Permalink

katherine's dismissal of "every single from the past few albums" is outrageous, "Give Your Heart A Break" and "Really Don't Care" and "Heart Attack" were all awesome.

FLOPSZN (some dude), Tuesday, 4 August 2015 18:25 (two years ago) Permalink

not really

for sale: baby shoes, never worn your ass (katherine), Tuesday, 4 August 2015 18:27 (two years ago) Permalink

I'll defend Give Your Heart A Break, but nothing since then has left an impression.

Greer, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 18:41 (two years ago) Permalink

give your heart a break was definitely a relief for popular radio; it at least sounded fresh and earnest

surm, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 18:59 (two years ago) Permalink

katherine otm about demi in all aspects really except for the 0:44 litmus test thing.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 19:05 (two years ago) Permalink

i think surm's mashup is a slight stretch but i guess

i am warming up to "cool for the summer" honestly, the elements that seemed slight at first (incl. parts of her vocal performance) i now realize contribute to an intriguing sense of drama that builds pretty well throughout the song. i do have mixed feelings on the queer-affection-as-ephemeral-experimentation theme still but w/e, guess we can't expect anything better in music destined to chart! and it is done far more tastefully than e.g. "i kissed a girl" obv.

"give your heart a break" is amazing, still my favorite demi single by far. earnest is the right word.

dyl, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 19:10 (two years ago) Permalink

also just the lyrics

surm, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 19:17 (two years ago) Permalink

like, i want a break for my heart pls thx

surm, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 19:21 (two years ago) Permalink

heart attack otoh is one of those songs that i neither find good or bad, it's mainly just hilarious to me, it's so CRAZY

surm, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 19:22 (two years ago) Permalink

I'm hetero so YMMV but to me the thing that sets this apart from "I Kissed a Girl" is the utter lack of irony. where katy perry was "wink wink, tee hee, aren't I so transgressive ;)" demi lovato delivers the song like hooking up with this girl is the most life-or-death of matters

for sale: baby shoes, never worn your ass (katherine), Tuesday, 4 August 2015 19:22 (two years ago) Permalink

i love i kissed a girl so much needless to say. i don't think she thinks she's being transgressive, she's just like, kissing a girl and being sexy about it

surm, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 19:25 (two years ago) Permalink

things that are great about this from my perspective:

- the desperate melodrama of "dying for each other" just after meeting
- the fluttering zelda noise when the song shifts gear
- aggressive ed banger guitar
- the fact that it represents a further step towards the charlixcxification of pop music
- the corny piano hooks
- body tyyyyyyyype

carly bae jepsen (monotony), Tuesday, 4 August 2015 21:37 (two years ago) Permalink

This one, Really Don't Care ... I def. hear hints of a whole bunch of assembly line music for hite stuff, from Katy Perry to Nicki. But this one has a nice minor key edge to it I like. I also like how, yeah, unlike I Kissed a Girl, which I didn't like, this one feels more overtly grown-up sexual, less hedging. I mean, as a parent it freaks me out, but as a listener it's different enough from a lot of summer cartoon sex jams.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 22:20 (two years ago) Permalink

I hear no justice in this? Americans what are you on

Idk I've been v underwhelmed by demi for a few years, the hyper-jitter of Heart Attack aside, and she doesn't even remotely sound like herself in this, but it was just so immediate in that way all the besr pop summer classix are, rather than the sub-ldr selena gomez or the unmuscular move towards indie pop of crj (both of which I like a lot but neither are saviours of pop in any way)

lex pretend, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 23:01 (two years ago) Permalink

for some reason it reminds me of "voulez-vous" and I can't put my finger on why

for sale: baby shoes, never worn your ass (katherine), Tuesday, 4 August 2015 23:13 (two years ago) Permalink

Glad CRJ is not more muscular, probably.

timellison, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 23:46 (two years ago) Permalink

I hear no justice in this? Americans what are you on

For someone I've seen go intricately into detail about the way certain songs are constructed by putting certain sounds together, I'm amazed you can't hear this. It's Ed Banger from beginning to end.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 00:16 (two years ago) Permalink

"cool for the summer" is basically the SHOWGIRLS of pop singles: campy, garish, tries WAY too hard, some bi-curiosity, and a "so bad it's good" appeal

i love it

j. winters (josh), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 00:27 (two years ago) Permalink

i am listening to the song for the 3rd time. the song is good. the *song* itself might in fact be great. maybe the fact that Demi has been more or less grasping at straws in terms of brand for some time now makes the blatant copycat trickery more appealing to some than others. personally, i don't care to hear her sing something that has already been compared to 3 different artists, especially when what made her stick out to begin with was that she had something unique. i've never heard her put this hat on before, which makes me think she's still grasping at straws. i guess i just wish the song had gone to someone else.

surm, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 00:47 (two years ago) Permalink

"Give Your Heart a Break" is one of my favorite pop singles in years. But "Cool for the Summer" I like better in TeraBrite form:

https://open.spotify.com/track/2rWUzUplJi3kofr5zVwkLy

glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 00:55 (two years ago) Permalink

posted this in the pop thread but it actively bothers me that the todd terry remix isn't better. but maybe people will disagree:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D37-yhit-7c

for sale: baby shoes, never worn your ass (katherine), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 00:57 (two years ago) Permalink

xposts - I don't really see how this is Demi trying way too hard, unless you just mean that it's melodramatic

carly bae jepsen (monotony), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 01:06 (two years ago) Permalink

if anything the last album was demi trying too hard vocally -- possibly to appeal to the "see she really CAN sing" crowd; she seems to have backed off since.

the copycat accusations seem off, especially since the song brought up most often is "domino," possibly the most blatant copycat pop single this decade

for sale: baby shoes, never worn your ass (katherine), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 01:11 (two years ago) Permalink

i think Katy Perry is what seems to be brought up most. that's what i keep hearing people say when they get into it about this song - that it sounds like katy perry. of course, a quick google search will reveal the same https://www.google.com/#q=was+katy+perry+offered+cool+for+the+summer

but those links seem to have mostly to do with the lyrics. i didn't even know the song was about kissing girls - or that there were 'accusations' RE: 'i kissed a girl.' i thought it was about a boy. the lyrics just didn't jump out me, except for the chorus. but i did immediately think it *sounded* like a Katy Perry song - only in terms of the sound, not the words. it was the first thing that popped into my head. i don't think it's hard to hear, and i don't think she adds much to the KP aesthetic.

surm, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 01:21 (two years ago) Permalink

That processed electrogrind is what reminded me Perry; the lyrics were secondary.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 01:35 (two years ago) Permalink

I was really hoping the Todd Terry remix would be amazing as his remix of Hercules & Love Affair's "Do You Feel The Same" is one of my favourite things of the year, but this is merely functional.

Tim F, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 03:23 (two years ago) Permalink

thanks for reminding me that this mix of the HC&LA track exits, Tim

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 03:28 (two years ago) Permalink

luv demi a lot but more as a person than an artist, i know i'm buying into a lot of capitalist machinery but she seems lovely + after rehab has really dedicated herself to being a posi force for young people, hard for me to not be in her corner

i probably love really don't care more but cool for the summer sounds so good on the radio. it hits every 2015-radio-hit marker and then fills out the rest with surprises. and yeah, she's probably a better singer when she isn't so focused on being a singer

qualx, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 04:15 (two years ago) Permalink

well browsing this thread about a song i listened to for 30 secs and thought 'not for me' has at least made me aware of the existence of todd terry in 2015.

e-bouquet (mattresslessness), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 04:19 (two years ago) Permalink

i got to work with Demi for an hour or two last year when she was giving a speech about some of the stuff she's been through. she seemed pretty cool! i kept it professional, but i want to tell her i listen to all her albums and have some demos for her to check out.

FLOPSZN (some dude), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 04:21 (two years ago) Permalink

i don't get the "domino" comparison. like yeah i get that rhythmically and kinda-melodically the chorus lines are a bit similar, but by that logic the chorus to "teenage dream" is comparable to that of kesha's "blah blah blah". i have seen a few people make the comparison but i always forget about it until i see someone mention it again.

anyways the other thing for me that sets this apart from "i kissed a girl" is that the latter's whole winky look-at-me-aren't-i-subversive thing is basically aimed directly at the boyfriend who almost definitely doesn't mind it. in "cool for the summer" demi and her fling are in their own little world, other ppl barely-mentioned only as some ominous forces on the horizon ("don't tell your mother", "if they judge..."). there's of a sense of danger in the way it builds sonically, but the way it leads to such a cathartic release makes it feel more like she's more afraid of what they could do to each other than judgment/"your mother". lol

basically what i am trying to say is yes i've heard this on the radio a few times now and i'm afraid it has me hooked

(also the music vid is not bad by any means but i feel like this song could have had a truly classic video made for it)

dyl, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 06:31 (two years ago) Permalink

I would love for a hot male pop star to release a single about a summer bromance.

Tim F, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 08:33 (two years ago) Permalink

Tim's last few posts so otm obv. Whether the male pop star who goes there is actually gay and out is not the point?

What I love about the "bicurious" perspective of this song is that it's not, at least not for the narrator. Demi doesn't self define as bi afaik but there's no uncertainty about what the narrator wants; she comes across as someone who's probably seduced straight girls before even though she may not be out?

Like, it's not sexuality performed for anyone's gaze as Katherine pointed out. It's not straight girls dabbling in something they're not. It's not flirtation across a sexuality divide. It's something in between, it's very fluid.

I mean these are only thoughts I had after I listened to it 17 times in a rowbin a coach crossing slovenia yday, musically it's so obv the pop single of the year. Tyyyyyyype, monotony otm

lex pretend, Thursday, 6 August 2015 06:33 (two years ago) Permalink

i wouldn't be surprised if nick jonas takes up that task lol (xp to tim)

dyl, Thursday, 6 August 2015 06:40 (two years ago) Permalink

Ha I was thinking of him too. He really should given how much he's gone after the gay audience

lex pretend, Thursday, 6 August 2015 07:31 (two years ago) Permalink

i hope Nick is working on Demi's new album. he wrote so many of the best songs on her first album, and was the musical director on her last tour.

some dude, Thursday, 6 August 2015 07:51 (two years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYDDiqhhzbQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_cXhBy78T4

kinda two takes on the same structure, both among either act's very best songs

some dude, Thursday, 6 August 2015 07:54 (two years ago) Permalink

"cool for the summer" is so fucking incredible

bla.p, Thursday, 6 August 2015 16:40 (two years ago) Permalink

i can't tell why but the video for Cool for the Summer really rubs me the wrong way

Van Horn Street, Friday, 7 August 2015 21:47 (two years ago) Permalink

The video is an embarrassment of embarrassments. Song deserves better.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 August 2015 22:15 (two years ago) Permalink

Could have been just her and someone driving around the city at night, or sitting in a hotel lobby, both would have been better.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 August 2015 22:15 (two years ago) Permalink

given the subject matter it could have been a lot worse

for sale: baby shoes, never worn your ass (katherine), Sunday, 9 August 2015 01:40 (two years ago) Permalink

The fading "too"s and "you"s at the end of lines in the verses sounded like a familiar device, but I couldn't quite put a finger on it. Then I realized it's a total Gregg Alexander/Danielle Brisebois/New Radicals thing. Automatically makes me like it 25% more.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 10 August 2015 05:31 (two years ago) Permalink

omg i am going to listen to Skyscraper now

the other day i heard another one from that album i think, pure Broadway beauty

surm, Monday, 10 August 2015 05:40 (two years ago) Permalink

broadway baby must be the name of a song somewhere btw

surm, Monday, 10 August 2015 05:41 (two years ago) Permalink

thank you!

surm, Monday, 10 August 2015 05:49 (two years ago) Permalink

np, just surprise someone could know the phrase "broadway baby" and not immediately follow it up in one's mind with "...walking off my tired feet"

for sale: baby shoes, never worn your ass (katherine), Monday, 10 August 2015 05:52 (two years ago) Permalink

you'd be surprised by all the things i don't know tbh.

surm, Monday, 10 August 2015 05:53 (two years ago) Permalink

it's kind of upsetting that i prolly wdn't be able to sing a single Demi Lovato song at karaoke, she's just not quite in my range

surm, Monday, 10 August 2015 05:56 (two years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Presented without comment.

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Saturday, 12 September 2015 01:49 (two years ago) Permalink

a teensy comment might help me have an inkling of what the hell this is

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Saturday, 12 September 2015 03:49 (two years ago) Permalink

Demi Lovato Admits Love For Those Mug Cupcakes People Periodically Claim Are Good Online

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Saturday, 12 September 2015 03:50 (two years ago) Permalink

Oh wow. I shouldn't be laughing this loudly at 12am, but WOW @ her response!

Cousin Slappy, Saturday, 12 September 2015 07:22 (two years ago) Permalink

Typical media "gotcha" question. Would it have been so hard to say "food"?

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Saturday, 12 September 2015 07:50 (two years ago) Permalink

i really like "confident"

slothroprhymes, Friday, 18 September 2015 16:38 (two years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Cool For The Summer and Confident are great singles but this album is a real slog.

boxedjoy, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 17:29 (two years ago) Permalink

yeah both this and the selena gomez album were big disappointments. brilliant lead singles, was ready for them to step up and make some really interesting pop albums...instead we get generic, bland titles and incoherent singles-plus-filler

lex pretend, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 18:19 (two years ago) Permalink

oh dearie me

in any event, i enjoyed confident even though it's kinda sorta really uneven & idk what she or even her label was thinking having iggy azalea slither onto a song, though the presence of nu-dubstep production would seem to indicate the answer is being notably behind the times on a general cultural level.

the singles are tremendous, liked "stone cold," "yes" and "wildfire" beyond that, rest of it i can take or leave (minus the iggy feature, which is execrable)

slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 19:09 (two years ago) Permalink

i read the pieces mocking the iggy feature before i heard it and sort of rolled my eyes at everyone kicking an easy target yet again but then i heard it and my jaw dropped at how terrible it was

lex pretend, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 19:17 (two years ago) Permalink

I really like "Cool for the Summer" except for the "die for each other" line which seems completely out of place.

Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 19:21 (two years ago) Permalink

xp lol yea, i wouldve given it the benefit of the doubt if it'd been passable (like, i can tolerate her on "problem" bc its not bad enough to undo the song) but...it is not.

i did laugh at her referring to nick young as a king, thats prob the nicest thing anyone's said about him

slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 19:21 (two years ago) Permalink

Spencer, having a gay relationship under multople jurisdictions right now is essentially being willing to die for each other. The melodrama is right for the song

lex pretend, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 00:32 (two years ago) Permalink

Interesting, but in that case, the song title is out of place - who would die for a summer fling?

Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 03:49 (two years ago) Permalink

I like the "die for each other" line because I like think of it as a figure of speech ...even though I know it probably isn't used that way.

daavid, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 04:10 (two years ago) Permalink

an overly exaggerated figure of speech, I mean, like bff.

daavid, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 04:11 (two years ago) Permalink

"die for each other" is one of the best lines in the song because it brings this manic Spring Breakers aspect of partying in the summer into focus, it gives it an earnest YOLOness, making the memories of our lives having feelings amidst the decadence etc

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 28 October 2015 05:32 (two years ago) Permalink

Interesting, but in that case, the song title is out of place - who would die for a summer fling?

no the point is that you can be killed for a summer fling. it's about conveying the inherent and not even slightly exaggerated risk.

and also yeah karl otm

lex pretend, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 09:12 (two years ago) Permalink

Spencer, having a gay relationship under multople jurisdictions right now is essentially being willing to die for each other. The melodrama is right for the song

Whoa whoa whoa. I don't remotely question your underlying premise here. But you are giving the lyric for this song a lot more credit that it deserves.

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 12:30 (two years ago) Permalink

yes, karl otm. I'm changing my argument to what karl said.

daavid, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 13:49 (two years ago) Permalink

http://d.gr-assets.com/books/1352662289l/11289919.jpg

Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 13:51 (two years ago) Permalink

But you are giving the lyric for this song a lot more credit that it deserves.
― Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, October 28, 2015 12:30 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

do tell me exactly what the writer told you the intention was! or perhaps demi told you exactly how she interpreted it

lex pretend, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 14:07 (two years ago) Permalink

I really like "Cool for the Summer" except for the "die for each other" line which seems completely out of place.

― Spencer Chow,

c'mon the whole point of these immersive crushes is that for a few weeks you think you'd die for each other!

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 14:37 (two years ago) Permalink

You guys need to chill. Her artpop could mean anything!

Cousin Slappy, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 17:29 (two years ago) Permalink

lex, the likelihood that "Die die each other" is about anxiety related to "having a gay relationship under multiple jurisdictions" is only slightly better than "Got a taste for the cherry/I just want to take a bite" being a reference to a severe case of prunusmania.

I'm not trying to discount the resonance this song may have to gay or bisexual listeners. I think it's brave on a number of levels. But I also think karl's theory seems a lot more likely.

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 18:05 (two years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

demis twitter game has been pretty good recently

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•Can name 1 or more
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nxd, Friday, 24 June 2016 08:50 (one year ago) Permalink

one year passes...

demi's new single to be released tomorrow is produced by pop & oak?

The countdown begins #SorryNotSorryMidnight pic.twitter.com/gRPLFtEPtp

— Demi Lovato (@ddlovato) July 10, 2017

dyl, Monday, 10 July 2017 16:30 (four months ago) Permalink

i really like this song

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 15:06 (four months ago) Permalink

four months pass...

now payback is a bad bitch

fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 12 November 2017 15:57 (one week ago) Permalink

single is great but album is a really harsh listen, "Daddy Issues" is very o_0

boxedjoy, Sunday, 12 November 2017 19:48 (one week ago) Permalink

ok I just tried listening to that for some reason and seriously who though that was a good idea?!

Simon H., Sunday, 12 November 2017 23:47 (one week ago) Permalink


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