Selena Gomez is Good For You

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her vocals on this chorus are crazy, and the way she says 'skin tight' is insane. admittedly: something borrowed, something blue, but also -- something new. bc she actually has a voice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TsVjvEkc4s

surm, Sunday, 26 July 2015 16:51 (four years ago) link

this song is phenomenal

nose, Sunday, 26 July 2015 17:14 (four years ago) link

^^

surm, Sunday, 26 July 2015 17:15 (four years ago) link

phenomenal is the word

surm, Monday, 27 July 2015 00:14 (four years ago) link

oh look, she's gone all lana del rey

not enough explicit criticism of the male gaze for me tbh - while there's something despairing (and desperate) about the way she sings + the synth drone, it still seems all too besotted with phallocentricity of objectification

absolutely no idea how it is 'phenomenal' - although it is not bad - but perhaps i'm not viewing it through a selena gomez career arc lens

the music is ultimately not exciting enough to befit that word

gawker's psychotic monkeys (imago), Monday, 27 July 2015 00:27 (four years ago) link

i liked the wibbly bit in the middle

gawker's psychotic monkeys (imago), Monday, 27 July 2015 00:28 (four years ago) link

i have been informed that the song is, in fact, phenomenal. sorry.

gawker's psychotic monkeys (imago), Monday, 27 July 2015 00:36 (four years ago) link

informed by whom? socratic daimon?

drash, Monday, 27 July 2015 00:42 (four years ago) link

you could call her that

gawker's psychotic monkeys (imago), Monday, 27 July 2015 00:46 (four years ago) link

:)

drash, Monday, 27 July 2015 00:49 (four years ago) link

:)

surm, Monday, 27 July 2015 01:14 (four years ago) link

listen to it on good headphones.

surm, Monday, 27 July 2015 01:14 (four years ago) link

yeah i like it more the more i think about it - it is really tragic

gawker's psychotic monkeys (imago), Monday, 27 July 2015 01:16 (four years ago) link

the production

surm, Monday, 27 July 2015 01:18 (four years ago) link

i heard this twice on the radio in the car today, and had no notion it was she…with this and "the heart wants what it wants," she's very much trying to corner the market for dysfunction tunes, huh? I haven't much fucked with Lana del ray…is she all about "you treat me like shit, but I love you" kinda thing?

veronica moser, Monday, 27 July 2015 01:52 (four years ago) link

i've only listened to Lana thru my bf, but her singing voice is p weak.

is the heart wants what it wants good? i need 2 listen

surm, Monday, 27 July 2015 02:05 (four years ago) link

there's nobody on the radio who has less presence, who sounds less like they should be singing at any kind of professional level. this song is less horrifying than her others but still pretty bad.

teenage good-ass kinja turtles (some dude), Monday, 27 July 2015 02:15 (four years ago) link

Selena has a bunch of classic songs, but I admit they don't criticize phallocentricity

Matt Armstrong, Monday, 27 July 2015 02:39 (four years ago) link

"Who Says" is the only one i ever thought was decent

teenage good-ass kinja turtles (some dude), Monday, 27 July 2015 03:00 (four years ago) link

i prefer her "i will survive" refix

soyrev, Monday, 27 July 2015 03:01 (four years ago) link

why's everything "cool" of the past six years always all minor key and †dark† anyways

soyrev, Monday, 27 July 2015 03:02 (four years ago) link

i like "come and get it" a lot, even though it's basically a rihanna song (as some dude pointed out, it was written for rihanna: http://www.thefader.com/2015/06/24/songs-written-for-rihanna-that-were-passed-on).

jaymc, Monday, 27 July 2015 03:16 (four years ago) link

her voice on this is really quite a performance - it has the passion and commitment of a true singer, and her icy falsetto/higher register cuts like a knife.

surm, Monday, 27 July 2015 03:19 (four years ago) link

i was confused about A$AP Rocky having a guest credit on this because he's not in the video and i thought he only produced it, but then i heard it on the radio the other day with a verse from him. man he's not much of a rapper at all, huh.

teenage good-ass kinja turtles (some dude), Monday, 27 July 2015 03:39 (four years ago) link

yeah i dunno, i haven't really formed an opinion. he's gotten some good girls tho.

surm, Monday, 27 July 2015 03:40 (four years ago) link

this song is indeed good for me

niels, Monday, 27 July 2015 09:27 (four years ago) link

still listen to 'love you like a love song' weekly
this song is p nice

nxd, Monday, 27 July 2015 09:28 (four years ago) link

surm otm itt

regret it? nope. reddit? yep. (Noodle Vague), Monday, 27 July 2015 09:39 (four years ago) link

Man this is lovely and a beautiful vocal performance imo

Classic Man (albvivertine), Monday, 27 July 2015 13:52 (four years ago) link

she sounds good, not much of a song though

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Monday, 27 July 2015 13:54 (four years ago) link

the song (structure and melody) doesn't really go anywhere but I like her vocals which are heavily processed but still vibrant.
the rap break is pretty bad and pointless, though.

AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 27 July 2015 13:55 (four years ago) link

she has absolutely no presence on this and the song relies on this fact, it's like rachel stevens

for sale: baby shoes, never worn your ass (katherine), Monday, 27 July 2015 13:55 (four years ago) link

she has more presence on this song than 85% of hot 100 songs i've heard in the past year

surm, Monday, 27 July 2015 13:59 (four years ago) link

and her enunciation on "good" is presence enough for the whole track.

surm, Monday, 27 July 2015 14:00 (four years ago) link

she always enunciates like that

idk i don't like this song

dyl, Monday, 27 July 2015 14:38 (four years ago) link

it's not even just her, it's very similar to what miley cyrus does with the verses of wrecking ball

for sale: baby shoes, never worn your ass (katherine), Monday, 27 July 2015 14:48 (four years ago) link

i'm still surprised that a good friend of mine was able to get me into Wrecking Ball. but it's more for the chorus and not the verses

surm, Monday, 27 July 2015 14:51 (four years ago) link

"Wrecking Ball" is an amazing song imo, but yeah i guess the chorus is the killer

regret it? nope. reddit? yep. (Noodle Vague), Monday, 27 July 2015 14:53 (four years ago) link

definitely my fav Selena since "Love Song" - it's more convincing without the dead-eyed video imo

List of people who are ready for woe and how we know this (seandalai), Monday, 27 July 2015 21:12 (four years ago) link

yeah, my fav since Love Song too

surm, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 09:15 (four years ago) link

The more I listen to this, the more I like it (except the rap that still sucks and breaks the atmosphere and charm).
the "hmms" in the verses are great.
there's definitely something missing in the construction of the song to make it really great but it's very nice.

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 09:46 (four years ago) link

The video version's sparer and doesn't have the rap, I think it's prob better

Classic Man (albvivertine), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 09:59 (four years ago) link

oh really ? I have to check that then !

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 10:13 (four years ago) link

video is pretty cool. she is v v v pretty. "doin' my hair up real real nice" might be my favorite line

surm, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 10:57 (four years ago) link

also that white t-shirt is Kate Moss/CK circa 1994 all over again.

surm, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 10:59 (four years ago) link

OK, the video is nice and this is much better without the rap !
very exotic and sensual (which is a tour de force considering it's a very minimalist electronic track with processed vocals !).
It's a perfect hot summer evening track.
btw it made me think there's no big ubiquitous summer jam this year, is there ? (I mean "get lucky", "blurred lines" big level).

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 11:18 (four years ago) link

lovin you right now

surm, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 11:19 (four years ago) link

i put in a good word for it on the summer jamz thread

surm, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 11:27 (four years ago) link

the idea of a summer jam is primarily music industry horseshit fwiw

welltris (crüt), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 11:51 (four years ago) link

tho occasionally even a smash hit single will lead to no album announcement and will end up being standalone (e.g. halsey "without me")

dyl, Saturday, 26 October 2019 15:45 (three months ago) link

oh jk i guess halsey eventually announced an album w/ "without me" on it, but way way after the fact (+ after followup singles had already bombed and been downgraded to standalone)

dyl, Saturday, 26 October 2019 15:51 (three months ago) link

I mean it makes sense specially in pop as in electronic music to just release a song when it’s finished, if you wait too long until a whole album is finished the trends you were trying to set and/or follow might have shifted. There’s not that many people that still buy physical albums or even play an album instead of standalone songs, specially with youtube and playlist culture.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 26 October 2019 16:14 (three months ago) link

Selena stans are swarming Lizzo on Twitter, b/c their singles are dueling on the iTunes US chart, and Lizzo tweeted a request for more dl’s to get her track to #1.

dracula et son fils (morrisp), Sunday, 27 October 2019 06:03 (three months ago) link

Also, it's easier for pop stars to bounce back from a bad single as opposed to a bad album cycle. Katy Perry has also just shifted to dropping random singles after the disaster that was Witness.

triggercut, Sunday, 27 October 2019 06:47 (three months ago) link

twitter standom is profoundly silly at best and toxic at worst. like really, dogpiling someone because of the itunes chart. in 2019? digital download sales volumes are way too low to mean much these days.

poor katy perry. it's like people stopped fucking with her music heavy as soon as she stopped having seemingly effortless success

dyl, Sunday, 27 October 2019 14:06 (three months ago) link

Yeah, the numbers at issue here for each track are around 1,000 sales (in 24 hrs.)

dracula et son fils (morrisp), Sunday, 27 October 2019 15:10 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

Now, THIS one I like!:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia1iuXbEaYQ

(The album is out today.)

Don’t yell ‘Judas!’ in a crowded theater (morrisp), Friday, 10 January 2020 19:01 (two weeks ago) link

F%^&, this is a good track

Don’t yell ‘Judas!’ in a crowded theater (morrisp), Friday, 10 January 2020 19:01 (two weeks ago) link

Try "Dance Again.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 January 2020 19:04 (two weeks ago) link

I'm not digging that one as much.....

Don’t yell ‘Judas!’ in a crowded theater (morrisp), Friday, 10 January 2020 19:07 (two weeks ago) link

"Crowded Room" (feat. 6LACK) is nice. Her voice is so thin -- I think the more minimalist tracks suit it best, somehow.

Don’t yell ‘Judas!’ in a crowded theater (morrisp), Friday, 10 January 2020 19:19 (two weeks ago) link

I think I'm allergic to her sonic preferences ("Bad Liar" excepted)

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 10 January 2020 19:20 (two weeks ago) link

not feeling this but it was prob the wrong move to listen to it after the poppy record

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 10 January 2020 19:24 (two weeks ago) link

like Ariana Grande, she's taken with brevity, to my relief.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 January 2020 19:26 (two weeks ago) link

I am pretty into this

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Friday, 10 January 2020 19:26 (two weeks ago) link

I'm taken with the way she and her producers use bass.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 January 2020 19:27 (two weeks ago) link

omg i'm excited, i was just talking about her this AM

surm, Friday, 10 January 2020 19:27 (two weeks ago) link

I'm taken with the way she and her producers use bass.

Me too

"Fun" is also a kinda cool track. I feel like she goes in a for a lot of Swift-isms...

Nothing else on here comes close to the opening track for me (sadly)!

Don’t yell ‘Judas!’ in a crowded theater (morrisp), Friday, 10 January 2020 19:28 (two weeks ago) link

That calypso-ish beat just kills me

Don’t yell ‘Judas!’ in a crowded theater (morrisp), Friday, 10 January 2020 19:34 (two weeks ago) link

new album is really good!

sean gramophone, Friday, 10 January 2020 19:46 (two weeks ago) link

really into Crowded Room

surm, Friday, 10 January 2020 20:40 (two weeks ago) link

bottom heavy album for sure! i'm into it!

surm, Friday, 10 January 2020 20:53 (two weeks ago) link

not enough explicit criticism of the male gaze for me tbh - while there's something despairing (and desperate) about the way she sings + the synth drone, it still seems all too besotted with phallocentricity of objectification

It's Selena Gomez ffs, not Huggy Bear.

does it look like i'm here (jon123), Saturday, 11 January 2020 13:01 (two weeks ago) link

gimme more phallocentricity with a side of objectification

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 11 January 2020 13:22 (two weeks ago) link

The Target version of this CD tacks on “Bad Liar,” “Fetish,” “Wolves,” and a few others. It’s tempting...

Don’t yell ‘Judas!’ in a crowded theater (morrisp), Saturday, 11 January 2020 16:18 (two weeks ago) link

Love this on first listen.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 11 January 2020 16:34 (two weeks ago) link

it's really very solid, if a little quaint. still, it's her signature. it works!

surm, Saturday, 11 January 2020 17:35 (two weeks ago) link

Found myself in Target with some extra $$, so... I’ve been listening to the CD as I drive around today. After the fantastic opening track, it’s pretty mediocre (IMO) until around track 9 or 10 — where it hits a good, final stretch. She’s such a limited vocalist; the best tracks find a way to take advantage of what she offers (in addition to just being good songs).

The Target CD is worth buying for the bonus tracks (FYI, it’s $11.99 on Target.com; they’ll price-match in store).

Don’t yell ‘Judas!’ in a crowded theater (morrisp), Sunday, 12 January 2020 02:34 (two weeks ago) link

Just want to back up Johnny Fever who very early on praised “Lose You To Love Me” which sounds so incredible to me while playing through this as a whole. You were an early adopter and it is truly amazing.

gman59, Sunday, 12 January 2020 04:52 (two weeks ago) link

kind of a martina topley-bird feel to this, maybe? track more than vocal

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Sunday, 12 January 2020 05:28 (two weeks ago) link

i was just going to ask how people rate "lose you to love me" now, several months later. admittedly i never really warmed to it.

dyl, Sunday, 12 January 2020 06:52 (two weeks ago) link

It does nothing for me, I’m surprised it performed so well. Clearly I don’t have my finger on the pulse, lol

Don’t yell ‘Judas!’ in a crowded theater (morrisp), Sunday, 12 January 2020 07:07 (two weeks ago) link

i was just going to ask how people rate "lose you to love me" now, several months later. admittedly i never really warmed to it.

― dyl, Sunday, January 12, 2020 1:52 AM (thirty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

still an extremely boring piano ballad propped up by an unconvincing fake narrative

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Sunday, 12 January 2020 07:22 (two weeks ago) link

Im kind of a sucker for this sort of a ballad. Anyway, didn't mean to start anything but sounds beautiful to me. Loving "Rare" and "Crowded Room" too.

gman59, Sunday, 12 January 2020 16:44 (two weeks ago) link

Whoa - there’s a songwriter demo of “Rare” that sounds almost identical(?)

stop creeping my instagram storiez (morrisp), Monday, 13 January 2020 03:03 (two weeks ago) link

there usually are, the question is whether they ever become public

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Monday, 13 January 2020 13:33 (two weeks ago) link

i like lose you to love me cuz i just went thru a breakup and i totally feel her sentiment

surm, Monday, 13 January 2020 15:33 (two weeks ago) link

xp Does that mean the credited producers on the track also probably worked on the demo (for it to be so fully produced, with all the same sonic touches etc.)?

stop creeping my instagram storiez (morrisp), Monday, 13 January 2020 17:43 (two weeks ago) link

Wow! Just finishing up my first listen though this. Think there may have been a couple plodding pop-by-numbers kinda tracks in the middle, but the last few tracks are strong! Good record to start off the year with.

☮️ (peace, man), Monday, 13 January 2020 21:36 (two weeks ago) link

the last few tracks are strong! to the point where i start thinking i'm really getting into the album and then it's over lol

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 13 January 2020 21:59 (two weeks ago) link

Yep! The singles are the weakest links imo

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 January 2020 22:03 (two weeks ago) link

in today's country industry a large proportion of hits are written and produced entirely without the input of the artists that go on to record them... so it's quite common for demos submitted for consideration by artists/management/a&r to be essentially completed tracks w/ v high production values, all the bells 'n' whistles, etc, just w/o the artist's vocal. i remember reading an interview with a (non-artist) songwriter or producer about how that goes, and how the nearly-finished quality of such demos is almost considered necessary to stand out among all the other submissions.

i assume the situation is similar in pop as well, at least when it comes to pitching to artists who contribute little-to-nothing as songwriters (tho in some cases the recording artist will also end up getting credited as a songwriter even if the finished product doesn't differ at all from the demo besides the vocal)

xp

dyl, Monday, 13 January 2020 22:04 (two weeks ago) link

i was just going to ask how people rate "lose you to love me" now, several months later. admittedly i never really warmed to it.

― dyl, Sunday, January 12, 2020 1:52 AM (thirty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I love it

winters (josh), Monday, 13 January 2020 22:14 (two weeks ago) link

i am also pro-"lose you to love me" so i don't completely agree with alfred

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 13 January 2020 22:26 (two weeks ago) link

xxp Thanks, dyl (Gomez does indeed have a songwriting credit on the track).

The production work on "Rare" is so fantastic, I think it deserves a breakdown (probably by someone better than me, but here goes):

0:00 - a little bongo trill fades in - the first thing you hear - telegraphing rhythmic elements that will reappear later
0:01 - that (acoustic?) bassline; that distant, muffled beat... the foundations of the track; love them both
0:18 - more of the rhythm comes in (bongos), but it's still not fully fleshed out
0:34 - the chorus hits, along with some additional background tones, and a more booming (but still subtle) bassline. And yet, the track's STILL not yet in full bloom, until...
0:51 - boom! the tinny trap-lite / calypso beat is in full effect - it's so lovely
1:08 - after the chorus, everything drops out, leaving just the acoustic bassline again
1:21 - echoing "ah-ahhs" and other backing vocal embellishments add to the mood
2:15 - great bridge... the song feels organic, each section flowing naturally from the previous one
2:42 - these ominous little background drones sound like they may have been inspired by Taylor Swife"Call It What You Want"(?)
3:38 - final bongo trill. fin.

stop creeping my instagram storiez (morrisp), Monday, 13 January 2020 23:30 (two weeks ago) link

The (excellent) guitar solo in 'Cut You Off,' I realized, reminds me of something from Haim's first album.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 03:52 (two weeks ago) link

Is it just me or does anyone else think "Crowded Room" owes more than a bit to Cassie's "Me & U". Not a criticism.

daavid, Friday, 17 January 2020 21:28 (one week ago) link

lately i've taken to listening to "lose you to love me" on repeat and crying

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 24 January 2020 21:11 (five days ago) link

Is it just me or does anyone else think "Crowded Room" owes more than a bit to Cassie's "Me & U". Not a criticism.

― daavid, Friday, January 17, 2020 9:28 PM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

yes i realized this on second listen of crowded room for sure

surm, Friday, 24 January 2020 21:12 (five days ago) link


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