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I love metallica who else does?

Peejis (Peejis), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 04:13 (sixteen years ago) link

the RIAA

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 04:23 (sixteen years ago) link

when i was 14 it was all 'ride the lightning' all the time.

keith (keithmcl), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 04:57 (sixteen years ago) link

and then the sued everybody for listening to it.

dyson (dyson), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 05:14 (sixteen years ago) link

are you on crack?

dsico (dsico), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 05:40 (sixteen years ago) link

always

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 05:46 (sixteen years ago) link

I used to love them. But then I turned 15 and slowly began to realise that actually, those guys are the musical equivalent of Esso: A worldwide conglomerate whose very existence emanates a malignant, destructive influence and who at any excuse, ruthlessly calls in the lawyers to stamp on anyone who challenges their position, while at the same time doing whatever the hell they like.

Still, there's the odd song from the Burton era that rips (Fight Fire With Fire, No Remorse - although that might just be the bite of nostalgia). Overall, I think Chris Robinson had it right when he talked about their gigs as something like mass male wanking contests. They are the vaginal warts on the vulva of redneck rock.

Roger Fascist (Roger Fascist), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 09:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Metallica are Esso... it's a conspiracy...

Callum (Callum), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 09:54 (sixteen years ago) link

i liked em in '88 (in that stupid kid way) cos watching the guitar solos to 'One' amused me greatly...then when 'Metallica' came out i thought they were pretty cool cos i was having a big grungey/metal/rawk phase in '93 - and a live version 'One' seemed to get released all round Europe except the UK so i was seeing it on MTV all the time - the video version with the multiple amputee scared the shit out of me tho...lost interest when 'Until It Sleeps' came out and then when the whole Napster debacle blew up i just wanted to slap Lars Ulrich with a large wet trout repeatedly until he cried his little eyes out...i found 'I Disappear' really catchy tho, argh

blueski, Tuesday, 29 October 2002 10:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Didn't we already discuss them here?

Siegbran (eofor), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 12:09 (sixteen years ago) link

Everything up through the black album is great. Everything after is dire.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:01 (sixteen years ago) link

"....And Justice For All" gives Styx a run for their money in the unintenional humour category. Less hooks tho.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 29 October 2002 17:20 (sixteen years ago) link

Kill 'Em All is a great album.

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 18:15 (sixteen years ago) link

I can't tell if all of Metallica's riffs up through the black album are incredibly catchy by nature or only because I wore out the cassette tapes of those albums in middle school.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 19:14 (sixteen years ago) link

And Justice For All is the ultimate example of what happens when you write brilliant riffs and don't have any songwriting skills to speak of, and no producer to fix it. And of course a producer without any knowledge of drum recording (we're talking about a big budget recording on a major label, and the kicks sound like cardboard boxes!). And it was of course this failure that made them do a 180 and go all streamlined rock on us.

Siegbran (eofor), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 00:09 (sixteen years ago) link

i remember lunch times at school filled with stoners braggin about how they headbanged all the way through the video for 'one'.

keith (keithmcl), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 03:29 (sixteen years ago) link

six years pass...

That's cute as hell.

kingkongvsgodzilla, Wednesday, 2 September 2009 22:46 (nine years ago) link

three years pass...

"james hetfield" was trending and luckily it's not 'cause he died

he turned 50 today i guess

markers, Saturday, 3 August 2013 21:07 (five years ago) link

trending on twitter

markers, Saturday, 3 August 2013 21:07 (five years ago) link

Just saw the preview for "Through the Never."

Every time you think Metallica can't get any more Spinal Tap, BAM! Do you think there will be CGI Pushead creatures? There should be CGI Pushead creatures in addition to the remarkably lifeless music.

Your Favorite Album in the Cutout Bin, Monday, 5 August 2013 14:37 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

currently fêting mariano rivera live

mookieproof, Sunday, 22 September 2013 17:22 (five years ago) link

eight months pass...

This is pretty great, esp the Rockets Red Glare part:

http://youtu.be/7SpLOrGAsFc

calstars, Sunday, 25 May 2014 15:04 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

Waiting patiently for these guys to come back into style

calstars, Tuesday, 12 April 2016 23:07 (three years ago) link

Playing Orion on guitar for my family while they relax in the living room after dinner

calstars, Tuesday, 12 April 2016 23:07 (three years ago) link

five months pass...

They sounded great on Howard stern last week

calstars, Monday, 3 October 2016 00:11 (two years ago) link

Even had James in the left channel and Kirk in the right. Love to hear these guys play together live, even if they stick to the script

calstars, Monday, 3 October 2016 00:18 (two years ago) link

I would love to hear James' mic turned off unless i am in a coma and it is q98i

Neanderthal, Monday, 3 October 2016 00:39 (two years ago) link

1988

Neanderthal, Monday, 3 October 2016 00:39 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

Listened to the Black Album a couple times in the past few days for the first time in probably 20 years or so. It held up better than I remember and there was a couple of things that in hindsight I had forgotten or sounded interesting to hear so many years later. I also watched Live S##T Binge and Purge for the first time as I never had that one as it was crazy expensive box set when it came out.

First thing was I had forgotten or didn't realize that they quote Leonard Bernstein's 'America' in the intro to 'Don't Tread on Me'. That would be a seriously loaded song now.

After hearing the 'Ecstasy of Gold' on the intro for the live album that the arpeggio that The Unforgiven is built on is pretty much influenced by the Morricone piece. It's not a straight lift, but I got a feeling it was an influence on the tune.

'My Friend of Misery' is one that sounded really good to me. When it breaks down in the spacy middle part that section really doesn't sound unlike something out of an Isis or Neurosis track. This would be around 3:50 into the tune.

The Black Album does sound really good production wise too. The material is very different although some tunes are kind of doomy on the record.

earlnash, Tuesday, 27 December 2016 01:56 (two years ago) link

I used to love them. But then I turned 15 and slowly began to realise that actually, those guys are the musical equivalent of Esso: A worldwide conglomerate whose very existence emanates a malignant, destructive influence and who at any excuse, ruthlessly calls in the lawyers to stamp on anyone who challenges their position, while at the same time doing whatever the hell they like.

― Roger Fascist (Roger Fascist), Tuesday, October 29, 2002 3:51 AM (fourteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lmao man ppl were really self righteous in the high napster era

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 December 2016 14:39 (two years ago) link

though i guess it was all fun back then before everyone realized the tech industry wasn't going to stop at decimating the music biz & where coming for everyone else's jobs too

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 December 2016 14:39 (two years ago) link

Tbh, I never thought it was fair for people to demonize Ulrich for taking an anti-piracy/theft position.

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Tuesday, 27 December 2016 15:10 (two years ago) link

it was more the way he handled it if anything, coupled with file-sharing being in its infancy and the scope of the impact on sales not being fully known yet

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 27 December 2016 15:15 (two years ago) link

Yeah, it was really the short-sightedness. There was a brief window of opportunity where it seemed like there was at least potential to take advantage of all the fan trading and find way to monetize it. Instead, they sued their fans.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 December 2016 15:24 (two years ago) link

eh it's easy to play monday morning quarterback imo

also:
at least potential to take advantage of all the fan trading and find way to monetize it

i'm not really sure that the years that have passed have convinced me of that at all

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 December 2016 16:15 (two years ago) link

I don't know about that. I assume Pearl Jam/Dead/Bruce et al have made tons selling bootlegs to fans, which iirc was Lars big issue, more than official studio stuff.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 December 2016 16:18 (two years ago) link

ok you take those three examples, one of which is literally a musical cult unlike any other that has ever existed and two others not far behind, and i'll take the other one zillion artists who never had a chance

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 December 2016 16:21 (two years ago) link

Lars was just insecure about his live tempos

sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Tuesday, 27 December 2016 16:23 (two years ago) link

lol

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 December 2016 16:23 (two years ago) link

Ha.

Anyway, I've been to shows from the Pixies and Dead Can Dance and all sorts of acts selling shows. I assume they succeed as souvenirs, a la t shirts. Those huge acts I noted specifically because a trader community of tapers already existed, but they ultimately chose to sell to fans rather than shut down trading. And people buy them.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 December 2016 16:27 (two years ago) link

Sorry I would like every person on Earth to formally apologize to Lar Ulrich before we proceed.

*taps foot*

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 December 2016 17:03 (two years ago) link

Lars Wars

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 December 2016 17:07 (two years ago) link

It wasn't purely their fault, mind - the years following actually vindicated the piracy concerns most artists had. But at the time, I get why fans were frustrated. The data on piracy's impact on sales was very new and incomplete, and this incomplete data allowed for the narrative that sales declines were largely due to a $2 average increase in price per unit since the 90s as well as decreasing inventory (there was a paper circulating that posited this for years). Common sense obviously told us that obviously giving someone an easy way to pilfer product for free was going to impact sales, but the sales dropoff wasn't stark enough that people realized what horseshit the aforementioned narrative was.

The other problem is that people like Metallica and Dr. Dre weren't the best vectors for the message because they were successful millionaires who probably weren't seeing a drop in their royalty checks from the piracy, whereas struggling independent artists were, and their concerns weren't getting the same airtime. Add that to the RIAA's overzealous pursuit of lawsuits against people who obviously couldn't pay and it very quickly became Evil Big Business Against Grandma. Many Independent artists were also speaking critically of the RIAA and in support of things like Napster to get them exposure, they were the voices getting airtime, so it was also felt that "smaller bands are ok with Napster" too. Which I don't blame them for, as who could have anticipated how stark the decline of sales could be during the infancy of Napster, y'know....

I was always someone who paid for all of his music simply because I largely listen to bands who sell 10,000 copies or less of albums and I want the scene to thrive, but back then everybody was parroting "people make pennies on CDs, merchandising and concerts is where it's at!", and that *still* gets traction with some people. Which of course rang hollow when the people saying that weren't actually buying merchandise or going to shows but were indeed pirating music.

Really, though, the reason for the anger makes more sense if you view it outside of a pop context. The pop industry was a corporate-backed machine by this point, one ran by suits for suits. Metal grew up as a self-sustaining underground scene and in the early 80s, tape-trading was a part of that (among Metallica, among everybody), and now these pioneers of the underground seemed to be scoffing at those ideals, like they'd turned their backs on the roots of the genre. It didn't matter that the people Metallica were targeting weren't diehard fans who wore out "No Life Til Leather" but dudes who d/led "I Disappear" alongside Godsmack mp3s (I'm not sure I believe that bootlegs were their primary concern, though they were *a* concern). Metalheads viewed it as the final betrayal to the scene.

Part of me wonders if Metallica would have been more easily forgiven without the Napster stand, but obviously history has vindicated musicians' concerns about file-sharing, and RIAA's slowness to adapt to a new digital medium and the lack of legitimate ways to purchase digital recordings for many years (at affordable prices) really fucked over musicians. obv the wrong thread for this but the thing I lament the most is now that independent artists are the voices begging for their art to be supported, for people to purchase their music (when there actually are affordable, legitimate ways to do so digitally, and even to bypass greedy labels), and they're getting "fuck you, you get money from Spotify, and your music is too expensive" chiding from fans who are too cheap to pay 5.99 on Bandcamp.

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 27 December 2016 17:19 (two years ago) link

Just FYI... http://livemetallica.com

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 27 December 2016 17:42 (two years ago) link

I've bought a few off there. always good quality, tho wish they'd bring the price down. but the free shows are cool too.

I do like that I was able to get one featuring Hardwired songs live a few days after the show.

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 27 December 2016 17:45 (two years ago) link

San Juan show I think

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 27 December 2016 17:45 (two years ago) link

five months pass...

http://i.imgur.com/UqFTUv8.gif

pplains, Saturday, 27 May 2017 22:49 (two years ago) link

Haha

the evening redness at the injection site (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 28 May 2017 07:46 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

One lone man's protest against the gentrification of Metallica concerts.

Siegbran, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 13:13 (one year ago) link

I see his point, tried to get a ticket for one of their London gigs and it was £130.

chap, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 13:41 (one year ago) link

"Daddio"

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Wednesday, 9 August 2017 16:07 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

Hetfield's move around the 2:40 mark in this video is awesome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdlQyNe_9tE

niels, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:21 (one year ago) link

plus that sweet ass

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:37 (one year ago) link

Cliff's fingers are so long it always looks like he's using all of them at once.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:43 (one year ago) link

Haha, Jaymz does that all throughout the Cliff 'Em All tape.

pplains, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 17:19 (one year ago) link

My favorite part of Cliff Em all is Kirk deciding to put the beer back

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 17:21 (one year ago) link

Cliff Burton dressing like he got kicked outta Wishbone Ash in the mid-80s was one of the coolest things

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 17:38 (one year ago) link

I really, really, really wonder how Cliff would've turned out. It's impossible to see him selling out, but I would've said the same thing about James had he died 31 years ago.

He probably would've joined Les Claypool's Frog Brigade or something.

pplains, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 01:14 (one year ago) link

i went to the same community college as cliff

no statue, sadly

brimstead, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 01:19 (one year ago) link

was not there when cliff is there

i am younger than him

brimstead, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 01:20 (one year ago) link

when cliff WAS there

not drunk, honest

brimstead, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 01:21 (one year ago) link

Heineken huh

calstars, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 01:23 (one year ago) link

sadly no clip on youtube of james opining on jagermeister

brimstead, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 01:25 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

here's a good article:
https://www.redbull.com/au-en/metallica-st-anger-15-years-on

hopefully someday an equally compelling defense will be made for Lulu

niels, Sunday, 2 December 2018 22:27 (seven months ago) link

well that was a lot of words

listening to the album while reading it and it's not as bad as I remembered thinking it was but it's also not a stealth masterpiece

blood, loud screaming and nudity (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 05:17 (seven months ago) link

Dirty Window would sound pretty cool if you did a Diamond Head style cover of it and ignored the lyrics

blood, loud screaming and nudity (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 05:30 (seven months ago) link

I’ll happily defend Lulu, but St Anger no way.

Siegbran, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 07:31 (seven months ago) link

I no longer hate St. Anger the way I did in 2003, and I get why they made it, but I don't want or need to listen to it. Lulu I'll never listen to again.

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 10:57 (seven months ago) link

I think he makes a compelling argument (though personally I cannot listen to st anger in its entirety without going crazy) and I remember feeling something similar when listening to Lulu in one sitting (which I think I've done 4-5 times) that it's excrutiating but somehow it works, it makes sense, and with the Junior Dad ending it's ultimately v rewarding

this mtv performance is hilarious:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz5Av9ShZyI

niels, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 12:28 (seven months ago) link

Off topic....episode of the 'Dead Rock Stars' podcast focusing on Cliff Burton: https://www.acast.com/deadrockstars/deadrockstars-cliffburton

Might not to be everyone's taste but I enjoyed it.

millmeister, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 14:47 (seven months ago) link

been meaning to read richard's piece but i've kinda already made up my mind about st. anger bc i listened to it so much when i was writing about lulu: it's interesting, and there are a few good songs/ideas buried in it, but it's not good

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 14:51 (seven months ago) link

say what you will about lulu but it's a much more dynamic record

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 14:52 (seven months ago) link

no doubt about that

niels, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 14:59 (seven months ago) link

five months pass...

Off to see them in Manchester next month, looking forward to some carefully managed traffic flow

pic.twitter.com/GP0DX2WZyn

— Subprime (@sbprme) May 30, 2019

Captain ACAB (Neil S), Thursday, 30 May 2019 12:59 (one month ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0irY0Osz9Q

shudder

FernandoHierro, Sunday, 9 June 2019 10:11 (one month ago) link

The crowd aren't even remotely into it either

. (Michael B), Sunday, 9 June 2019 12:12 (one month ago) link

They did something like that when they played here last -- picked out a few local bands from the early 90s and played a medley of their songs. A few people in the crowd might've recognized their names, but even I couldn't figure out what songs they were supposed to be playing when I watched the YouTube video.

Most of the audience – who were most definitely more fans of Metallica fans in 1990 than they were of the Little Rock punk scene – just kinda stood there and went Ohhh-kay?

pplains, Sunday, 9 June 2019 17:51 (one month ago) link


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