Shady scams and other silly business ideas to take advantage of earnest new vinyl collectors

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Has anyone heard of http://vnyl.org/?

I think it was mentioned in a "terrible ideas" thread but it turns out that it is actually a great idea if you want to find a way to trick people into buying $1.50 worth of records for $25.00 (which I believe is the subscription cost).

http://www.stereogum.com/1801049/vnyl-sliding-why-the-netflix-for-vinyl-service-is-such-a-mess/franchises/essay/

Apparently no matter who you indicate as your favorite artists, they'll just send you a random three common 70s thrift shop records and then play dumb if that upsets you.
They don't accept returns.

Evan, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:33 (five years ago) link

http://www.recordstoreday.com/

example (crüt), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:35 (five years ago) link

https://twitter.com/themattbates/status/594284588257579008/photo/1

skip, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:40 (five years ago) link

good lord

Mr. Murphy in the wine bar. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:43 (five years ago) link

http://www.shugarecords.com/

sleeve, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:45 (five years ago) link

http://www.better-records.com/dept.asp?dept_id=14-015-034

sleeve, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:45 (five years ago) link

http://www.artvinyl.com/

anthony braxton diamond geezer (anagram), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:56 (five years ago) link

the second hand rack in the one Urban Outfitters store I've browsed was 98% dogshit and sold everything for £6 but I was happy enough with the Heavy Metal Kids LP I got for that price

pull blart, maul cops (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:57 (five years ago) link

http://www.artvinyl.com/

― anthony braxton diamond geezer (anagram), Thursday, May 14, 2015 2:56 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the branch of (UK odds'n'ends austerity store) Home Bargains near my house sells 12" frames for £1.99 if anyone fancies displaying some LPs on their wall but isn't a profligate moron who thinks that £39 is good value for such a thing

pull blart, maul cops (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:02 (five years ago) link

Seriously, how is this a thing?

austinato (Austin), Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:12 (five years ago) link

Which one?

Evan, Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:20 (five years ago) link

On my twittefeed I keep getting a "Get xx number of indie singles from new acts each month, pre-chosen for youx" subscription service.

I mean, why would I?

(I'd post the link, but it's not there at the mo)

I dare-say a bunch of you music writers would pay a monthly fee to not receive etc, but.

Mark G, Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:30 (five years ago) link

the second hand rack in the one Urban Outfitters store I've browsed was 98% dogshit and sold everything for £6 but I was happy enough with the Heavy Metal Kids LP I got for that price

― pull blart, maul cops (DJ Mencap), Thursday, May 14, 2015 2:57 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

If that's the one at Marble Arch, all the second-hand stuff has gone, leaving only the 180g represses..

Mark G, Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:32 (five years ago) link

nah it was in Cardiff and yeah it's just moderately overpriced new stuff now so presumably such is the case with all their stores

pull blart, maul cops (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:34 (five years ago) link

This is more silly than scam, I guess, but ...

http://vinylmeplease.com/how-it-works/

"Custom cocktail pairing recipes"

andrew m., Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:37 (five years ago) link

It's...pretty exclusive. Request your invite today.

andrew m., Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:39 (five years ago) link

Wow. This is so depressing.

MikoMcha, Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:53 (five years ago) link

need that custom youth lagoon record for $27

Mr. Murphy in the wine bar. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:06 (five years ago) link

lol these are all pretty great

k3vin k., Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:11 (five years ago) link

the VNYL scam is amazing, the robotic 500 days of summer tone of their con artistry is brilliant

ceres, Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:18 (five years ago) link

http://www.homebargains.co.uk/products/10407-rock-it-records-12-album-sleeve-frame-case-of-12.aspx

"Our price: £23.88"

(for 12!)

we have those expensive frames in the office, filled with U2 and Bob Marley sleeves.

koogs, Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:23 (five years ago) link

That girl on the front page of VNYL. So excited! So naive! Such a perfectly sad thing! Ugh

andrew m., Thursday, 14 May 2015 17:03 (five years ago) link

Not to mention the really poorly executed record-face meme thing with the fka twigs. Just.. no.

andrew m., Thursday, 14 May 2015 17:05 (five years ago) link

https://twitter.com/ajakober/status/598701455080431616

Evan, Thursday, 14 May 2015 17:10 (five years ago) link

wasn't there a thread on ILM started by someone looking into setting up something like this a few months ago ?

had a revival a little after, but to little avail.

mark e, Thursday, 14 May 2015 17:14 (five years ago) link

WTF

https://twitter.com/gotvnyl/status/598911277952557057

Evan, Thursday, 14 May 2015 18:19 (five years ago) link

That is NOT Doug Martsch...

Evan, Thursday, 14 May 2015 18:22 (five years ago) link

Am I crazy here? Are they trying to trick people into thinking that's Doug Martsch, or did this dude trick them?

Evan, Thursday, 14 May 2015 18:27 (five years ago) link

maybe that guy's name is also doug martsch

k3vin k., Thursday, 14 May 2015 18:38 (five years ago) link

Parody account.

andrew m., Thursday, 14 May 2015 18:51 (five years ago) link

Real one's GETvinyl not got. Still sux.

andrew m., Thursday, 14 May 2015 18:52 (five years ago) link

any evidence that VNYL is actually a successful rip-off, or just a would-be rip-off?

it seems sort of tone-deaf to me.

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:01 (five years ago) link

Maybe it will inadvertently lead to a lounge/easy listening revival in a couple years.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:02 (five years ago) link

Is there any evidence that anyone's gotten something besides thrift store garbage from VYNL?

SCHLITZ MIXED BAG (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:36 (five years ago) link

Nope. Even with the happy customers.

Evan, Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:39 (five years ago) link

Which one?

I was replying quickly on my phone earlier, so my initial response was to the first one, but it truly is disheartening to see so many.

What happened to vinyl fans being diggers? I remember when I first got into vinyl, it was just instinctual to hit second hand stores. Has common sense gone out the window in order to make room for this renewed interest in vinyl?

austinato (Austin), Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:54 (five years ago) link

lol crut

markers, Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:55 (five years ago) link

Hey, jefferson airplane is not garbage u dummies

yeovil knievel (NickB), Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:57 (five years ago) link

What happened to vinyl fans being diggers? I remember when I first got into vinyl, it was just instinctual to hit second hand stores. Has common sense gone out the window in order to make room for this renewed interest in vinyl?

as a new vinyl buyer i will say that i have been to many second-hand shops over the last 5 years and the selections - esp re what i'm looking for - tend to be really really bad. otoh if yr in the market for a jefferson airplane album this is a golden time to be alive.

Mordy, Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:58 (five years ago) link

most of the good vinyl i've gotten have been donations from relatives, finding stuff on ebay, and -- eek - paying full price for some new reissue

Mordy, Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:59 (five years ago) link

Airplane may not suck, but it is an easy, 25¢ thrift store find.

And yeah, genuinely *GREAT* stuff is not going to be found in thrift stores. But when everything's a quarter, you have to expect Cat Stevens, not Velvet Underground.

austinato (Austin), Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:03 (five years ago) link

I guess burning n00bs will never get old.

austinato (Austin), Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:19 (five years ago) link

dying at the stereogum VNYL story, had not heard of this amazing scam. i'm imagining someone having some kind of account difficulty, they can't turn it off, lost password, and every month three more England Dan & John Ford Coley LPs show up, with "#LazySunday" stickers on the front, because of their interest in Sleater-Kinney, Meat Beat Manifesto and Sun Ra. they run out of places to put them, local stores have them on the blacklist, city sanitation crews rip them out of the trash and hurl them back under their doors. and yet they keep coming. endless England Dan & John Ford Coley. eventually a fire starts and they die of poisonous vinyl fumes. all for only $25 a month --- thanks, kickstarter and #VYNL!

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:19 (five years ago) link

i've always wanted to buy a dog eared copies of Sesame Street's The Muppet Musicians of Bremen and a Perry Como compilation for 25 bucks

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:19 (five years ago) link

the best part of the kickstarter economy part of the story is that nobody bothered to see if pay-for-records is legal, so it's now technically pay-for-whatever

the fact that they have no actual curation and it's just backstock and secondhand garbage is icing

ultimate american sock (mh), Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:26 (five years ago) link

Quoting the owner:

“It fucking sucks when we disappoint our members. We honestly feel incredibly sad when a member doesn’t like what we sent. That sucks for them and also for us. It’s like you just spent all this time planning out what you think is an awesome surprise gift idea for someone and then they can’t mask the look of disappointment when they open it up right in front of you. It’s completely deflating. Unfortunately, this comes with the territory of being a human curated service."

I imagine in the back of his mind he's thinking: "Nailed it! Just got to stay in character, then nobody can call us out! It's all subjective, I'll say. As long as enough r/vinyl or Urban Outfitters type kids keep subscribing we should be just fine."

Evan, Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:27 (five years ago) link

If this was mine I'd just buy the contents of a record store that is going out of business with the kickstarter money and pay someone to put four random records that aren't too beat up in an envelope monthly

that'd be like a half-dozen kids working minimum wage for a couple days per month maximum right?

ultimate american sock (mh), Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:29 (five years ago) link

https://media.wnyc.org/media/photologue/images/a7/yourfavoritexmas3_firestone722.jpg

My #XmasVibes arrived! Nice clean copy. No flood damage!

andrew m., Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:31 (five years ago) link

^
Might be U.S.-centric

andrew m., Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:32 (five years ago) link

sounds like they're just really slow. i'm guessing I'll last one delivery on this thing cos I'm impatient as fuck, lol

Lady Antibody (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 July 2020 04:26 (two weeks ago) link

Be prepared to receive the careful selections your blind grandma might pick out if you asked her to grab an LP for you while she happened to be at Goodwill shopping for nightstand doilies.

Evan, Monday, 20 July 2020 15:14 (two weeks ago) link

I just got rid of a bunch of crap that came with some curbside records. If you like throwing money away, you could have sent it to me and I could mail you a Mantovani or Ray Conniff record every month for a very long time.

Tōne Locatelli Romano (PBKR), Monday, 20 July 2020 15:26 (two weeks ago) link

VYNL is hoping to take advantage of the popular trend of getting cool points to be among the first to reevaluate some bland popular hit artist of the past and/or novelty record as "actually really good" via thinkpiece or tweet.

Evan, Monday, 20 July 2020 15:34 (two weeks ago) link

Be prepared to receive the careful selections your blind grandma might pick out if you asked her to grab an LP for you while she happened to be at Goodwill shopping for nightstand doilies.

― Evan, Monday, July 20, 2020 11:14 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

To expand on this, I wonder if VNYL ever shipped anyone an old calendar by accident. Understandable mistake when you're just mindlessly pulling things out of bins without looking, then packing and shipping.

Evan, Monday, 20 July 2020 20:55 (two weeks ago) link

I thought they (sadly) dropped the (endlessly clownable) thrift-store records bit early on, and inked deals with unknown labels, in order to act as a distribution channel for unsold product by unsuccessful contemporary artists.

Doctor Casino, Monday, 20 July 2020 21:25 (two weeks ago) link

Oh, maybe! I must have forgotten, because that sounds familiar now.

Evan, Monday, 20 July 2020 22:05 (two weeks ago) link

great, I'm gonna get the Heene Boyz debut album on vinyl

Lady Antibody (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 July 2020 22:26 (two weeks ago) link

on colored vinyl

Tōne Locatelli Romano (PBKR), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 13:03 (two weeks ago) link

Lol they shipped my package.

Problem is i wrote some traditional metal and hip hop that i liked but i also hooked up my Spotify that has mostly 80s power ballads on recently played tracks.

Can't wait for my dogeared Ugly Kid Joe record

Lady Antibody (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 July 2020 22:14 (two weeks ago) link

it got (gently) teased upthread, but if you end up being unhappy with VNYL it seems like this might be worth looking at:

https://www.vinylmeplease.com/pages/join-the-club

budo jeru, Friday, 24 July 2020 22:31 (two weeks ago) link

VMP are fine and put good records back into print (I wouldn't own Buhloone Mindstate if it wasn't for them) (though its the short version of the album), tho their shipping is expensive if you're foreign and their copywriting is icky

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Sunday, 26 July 2020 17:00 (two weeks ago) link

They reissue that Fun House thing every 10 years and it keeps getting more expensive. I love Fun House but I’m not buying that.

Boring, Maryland, Sunday, 26 July 2020 17:35 (two weeks ago) link

the $20,000 Fun House boxed set which comes with an actual fun house with an affordable mortgage attached, fresh with Stooges posters and artwork adorned on all of the walls, and a squatter in your living room

Lady Antibody (Neanderthal), Sunday, 26 July 2020 17:37 (two weeks ago) link

...and the exclusive VMP version adds a cocktail recipe.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 26 July 2020 17:54 (two weeks ago) link

Has the Funhouse box ever been on vinyl before? I got the CD box when Rhino Handmade put it out and I hardly ever play it, even though Fun House is one of my favourite ever records - it's just that the finished article is so perfect I don't want to hear alt-takes, alt mixes or even live versions.

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Sunday, 26 July 2020 18:38 (two weeks ago) link

I would buy a standalone CD with just the 17-minute version of "L.A. Blues" on it, but I don't have much interest in hearing the rest

The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 26 July 2020 21:03 (two weeks ago) link

i have the "declaration of war: best of the funhouse sessions" rhino LP from the '90s and can't remember the last time i played it. it has, i think, the only two full takes of what AFAIK are the only two tracks that didn't make the record ("slide" and "lost in the future") plus the 11-minute version of "fun house"

along with the 17m "LA blues" (which i've only ever heard on youtube) i think that's all i probably need — i just can't imagine wanting to listen to 30 sides worth of outtakes, false starts, studio dialogue, and alt. takes. or in other words:

it's just that the finished article is so perfect

which is another way of saying that sometimes there's a line between deep appreciation and fandom, and with the stooges (and this record in particular) i just don't think this kind of hyper-archivist, completist approach enhances my understanding of the art, there's just not a lot for me to learn from putting a microscope to this recoding project. sometimes there are things you just don't need to know about and that's okay.

budo jeru, Sunday, 26 July 2020 22:45 (two weeks ago) link

It’s a very particular kind of fandom. I can see appreciating the complete sessions of a Miles Davis album or something, but I don’t really get it for “Fun House” (great as that album is).

Your dream has symbolic content (morrisp), Sunday, 26 July 2020 22:50 (two weeks ago) link

it reminds me of this quote from foucault, which i've roughly translated here because i'm having a hard time finding an english translation online:

But suppose we are dealing with an author: is everything they wrote or said, everything they left behind, part of their work? This is both a theoretical and technical problem. When you set out to publish, for example, the works of Nietzsche, where should you stop? You have to publish everything, of course, but what does this "everything" mean? Everything that Nietzsche published himself? Of course. Drafts of his works? Obviously. His many unpublished aphorisms? Yes. The erasures also, the jottings at the bottom of his notebooks? Yes. But when, inside a notebook filled with aphorisms, there is a reference, the indication of an appointment or an address, a grocery list: work, or not work? But why not? And so on, indefinitely. Among the millions of traces left by someone after their death, how can we define a work? There is no thoery of the œuvre, and those who ingenuously undertake to publish these œuvres lack such a theory and quickly find that their empirical work is hindered.

(original here: http://1libertaire.free.fr/MFoucault319.html)

budo jeru, Sunday, 26 July 2020 23:25 (two weeks ago) link

i just don't think this kind of hyper-archivist, completist approach enhances my understanding of the art, there's just not a lot for me to learn from putting a microscope to this recoding project. sometimes there are things you just don't need to know about and that's okay.

I totally agree. I'm generally a lover of alt-takes, etc, and yesterday was listening to that deluxe Tusk from a couple of years back and thinking, "I could listen to several disks more of this, hearing every permutation Lindsey ran through for each song", because those tracks definitely mutated in the studio. But the Funhouse sessions is just like 27 versions of Dirt that are all roughly the same, just not as good as the album version, and that doesn't do it for me.

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Monday, 27 July 2020 08:46 (one week ago) link

my package from VNYL arrived while I was out. on my way home to see what doodoo they gave me.

XVI Pedicabo eam (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 00:26 (four days ago) link

oh, this oughta be good. . .!

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 00:53 (four days ago) link

Unboxing vid me please.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 01:04 (four days ago) link

^^^

budo jeru, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 01:13 (four days ago) link

opened it. unboxing vid coming in just a sec

XVI Pedicabo eam (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 02:05 (four days ago) link

for real !!

budo jeru, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 02:06 (four days ago) link

bated breath

budo jeru, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 02:06 (four days ago) link

hoping it's just three pairs of multi-colored socks

budo jeru, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 02:07 (four days ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahvBgWTYYZY

XVI Pedicabo eam (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 02:12 (four days ago) link

Def Jef! now there's a name I haven't heard in a loooooong time, think I used to have a 12" by him.

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 02:26 (four days ago) link

seriously! apparently after 1991 he just moved to production full time.

XVI Pedicabo eam (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 02:31 (four days ago) link

Wow! Didn't think you'd actually do the vid. Seeing that, I bet Vnyl has got people contacting stores and grabbing up their vintage RSD stuff, which I imagine is better than their thrift store sweeps of yore.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 02:51 (four days ago) link

lol - I was bored and wanted to delay my disappointment a little longer. was kinda hoping for something dopier!

you are probably right. i looked up the vinyl online and it's not exactly highly sought after!

XVI Pedicabo eam (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 02:57 (four days ago) link

awesome video, thanks for sharing. you should do more, you’re most definitely a not terrible youtuber !

gonna cue up some masta ace later today

budo jeru, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 11:18 (four days ago) link

thanks for sharing!

i have to assume that they buy these things in lots, and everyone with "hip hop" in their spreadsheet has a chance of getting this one at some point. take pity on the VNYL intern who has to handwrite the same note ("INSERT RAP ACT MENTIONED BY CUSTOMER") three hundred times.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 11:40 (four days ago) link

Listened to the Kenyatta track

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isg_KABU9XY

and it's alright, but missing several of the elements that made the original so appealing to others

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8OZux6hp1Q

peace, man, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 11:49 (four days ago) link

you are probably right. i looked up the vinyl online and it's not exactly highly sought after!

― XVI Pedicabo eam (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 02:57 (ten hours ago) link

My experience is that there is a huge gulf between the actually desirable RSD offerings (good luck getting those) and the loads of crap offered on RSD that you continue to see sealed in bargain bins for years afterward.

Yo, Semites! (PBKR), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 14:04 (four days ago) link

yeah, when I used to go to our local record store after RSD, there'd be an entire rack for "RSD shit that nobody bought". I mean it didn't say that explicitly but ~we knew~

XVI Pedicabo eam (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 15:03 (four days ago) link

yup, ime it's often live albums by mid-level bands

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 15:08 (four days ago) link

lol otm. i usually used to poke around and see if any of them were good byes and....usually no, I could often tell why they didn't sell.

with the Delicious Vinyl one, its p obviously a niche release, so for next month, I've decided i'm going to troll and tell them my new favorite band is something they can't possibly find a pairing for.

so give your suggestions here for what shit band I should pretend to like next month.

XVI Pedicabo eam (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 15:10 (four days ago) link

Moxy Früvous?

peace, man, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 15:26 (four days ago) link

wrong kind of smash hits

frogbs, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 15:29 (four days ago) link

I bought some stuff from LITA earlier this year and they were giving away one of their past RSD releases with orders over a certain amount. They must have piles of them laying around.

Mom jokes are his way of showing affection (to your mom) (PBKR), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 16:39 (four days ago) link

It's very much "get this shit out my garage"

XVI Pedicabo eam (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 16:41 (four days ago) link

great video Neanderthal! :D

Boris the Spreader (NickB), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 16:56 (four days ago) link

yes, excellent work!

I always feel in Neanderthal's videos like I am on the floor, lying on my back looking up at him. And maybe that I shouldn't be—like something has gone wrong, I am maybe semiconscious or it is near the end.

singular wolf erotica producer (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 17:37 (four days ago) link

haha it's more that I use my phone and am terrible at angling. like how you never actually saw the vinyl's full title in a shot, or how you all got a glimpse of the record before I did :)

I posted a soccer celebration video from a match last year and my girlfriend at the time said EWW ALL I SAW WAS YOUR NOSEHAIRS

XVI Pedicabo eam (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 20:06 (four days ago) link

Hahaha. I'd watch more of those, Neanderthal! I spent most of the first couple of minutes trying to work out what t-shirt you were wearing. Cool shirt.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 7 August 2020 09:18 (two days ago) link


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