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Has anyone heard of http://vnyl.org/?

I think it was mentioned in a "terrible ideas" thread but it turns out that it is actually a great idea if you want to find a way to trick people into buying $1.50 worth of records for $25.00 (which I believe is the subscription cost).

http://www.stereogum.com/1801049/vnyl-sliding-why-the-netflix-for-vinyl-service-is-such-a-mess/franchises/essay/

Apparently no matter who you indicate as your favorite artists, they'll just send you a random three common 70s thrift shop records and then play dumb if that upsets you.
They don't accept returns.

Evan, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:33 (two years ago) Permalink

http://www.recordstoreday.com/

example (crüt), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:35 (two years ago) Permalink

good lord

Mr. Murphy in the wine bar. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:43 (two years ago) Permalink

http://www.shugarecords.com/

sleeve, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:45 (two years ago) Permalink

http://www.better-records.com/dept.asp?dept_id=14-015-034

sleeve, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:45 (two years ago) Permalink

http://www.artvinyl.com/

anthony braxton diamond geezer (anagram), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:56 (two years ago) Permalink

the second hand rack in the one Urban Outfitters store I've browsed was 98% dogshit and sold everything for £6 but I was happy enough with the Heavy Metal Kids LP I got for that price

pull blart, maul cops (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:57 (two years ago) Permalink

http://www.artvinyl.com/

― anthony braxton diamond geezer (anagram), Thursday, May 14, 2015 2:56 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the branch of (UK odds'n'ends austerity store) Home Bargains near my house sells 12" frames for £1.99 if anyone fancies displaying some LPs on their wall but isn't a profligate moron who thinks that £39 is good value for such a thing

pull blart, maul cops (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:02 (two years ago) Permalink

Seriously, how is this a thing?

austinato (Austin), Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:12 (two years ago) Permalink

Which one?

Evan, Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:20 (two years ago) Permalink

On my twittefeed I keep getting a "Get xx number of indie singles from new acts each month, pre-chosen for youx" subscription service.

I mean, why would I?

(I'd post the link, but it's not there at the mo)

I dare-say a bunch of you music writers would pay a monthly fee to not receive etc, but.

Mark G, Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:30 (two years ago) Permalink

the second hand rack in the one Urban Outfitters store I've browsed was 98% dogshit and sold everything for £6 but I was happy enough with the Heavy Metal Kids LP I got for that price

― pull blart, maul cops (DJ Mencap), Thursday, May 14, 2015 2:57 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

If that's the one at Marble Arch, all the second-hand stuff has gone, leaving only the 180g represses..

Mark G, Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:32 (two years ago) Permalink

nah it was in Cardiff and yeah it's just moderately overpriced new stuff now so presumably such is the case with all their stores

pull blart, maul cops (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:34 (two years ago) Permalink

This is more silly than scam, I guess, but ...

http://vinylmeplease.com/how-it-works/

"Custom cocktail pairing recipes"

andrew m., Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:37 (two years ago) Permalink

It's...pretty exclusive. Request your invite today.

andrew m., Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:39 (two years ago) Permalink

Wow. This is so depressing.

MikoMcha, Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:53 (two years ago) Permalink

need that custom youth lagoon record for $27

Mr. Murphy in the wine bar. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:06 (two years ago) Permalink

lol these are all pretty great

k3vin k., Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:11 (two years ago) Permalink

the VNYL scam is amazing, the robotic 500 days of summer tone of their con artistry is brilliant

ceres, Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:18 (two years ago) Permalink

http://www.homebargains.co.uk/products/10407-rock-it-records-12-album-sleeve-frame-case-of-12.aspx

"Our price: £23.88"

(for 12!)

we have those expensive frames in the office, filled with U2 and Bob Marley sleeves.

koogs, Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:23 (two years ago) Permalink

That girl on the front page of VNYL. So excited! So naive! Such a perfectly sad thing! Ugh

andrew m., Thursday, 14 May 2015 17:03 (two years ago) Permalink

Not to mention the really poorly executed record-face meme thing with the fka twigs. Just.. no.

andrew m., Thursday, 14 May 2015 17:05 (two years ago) Permalink

https://twitter.com/ajakober/status/598701455080431616

Evan, Thursday, 14 May 2015 17:10 (two years ago) Permalink

wasn't there a thread on ILM started by someone looking into setting up something like this a few months ago ?

had a revival a little after, but to little avail.

mark e, Thursday, 14 May 2015 17:14 (two years ago) Permalink

WTF

https://twitter.com/gotvnyl/status/598911277952557057

Evan, Thursday, 14 May 2015 18:19 (two years ago) Permalink

That is NOT Doug Martsch...

Evan, Thursday, 14 May 2015 18:22 (two years ago) Permalink

Am I crazy here? Are they trying to trick people into thinking that's Doug Martsch, or did this dude trick them?

Evan, Thursday, 14 May 2015 18:27 (two years ago) Permalink

maybe that guy's name is also doug martsch

k3vin k., Thursday, 14 May 2015 18:38 (two years ago) Permalink

Parody account.

andrew m., Thursday, 14 May 2015 18:51 (two years ago) Permalink

Real one's GETvinyl not got. Still sux.

andrew m., Thursday, 14 May 2015 18:52 (two years ago) Permalink

any evidence that VNYL is actually a successful rip-off, or just a would-be rip-off?

it seems sort of tone-deaf to me.

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:01 (two years ago) Permalink

Maybe it will inadvertently lead to a lounge/easy listening revival in a couple years.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:02 (two years ago) Permalink

Is there any evidence that anyone's gotten something besides thrift store garbage from VYNL?

SCHLITZ MIXED BAG (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:36 (two years ago) Permalink

Nope. Even with the happy customers.

Evan, Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:39 (two years ago) Permalink

Which one?

I was replying quickly on my phone earlier, so my initial response was to the first one, but it truly is disheartening to see so many.

What happened to vinyl fans being diggers? I remember when I first got into vinyl, it was just instinctual to hit second hand stores. Has common sense gone out the window in order to make room for this renewed interest in vinyl?

austinato (Austin), Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:54 (two years ago) Permalink

lol crut

markers, Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:55 (two years ago) Permalink

Hey, jefferson airplane is not garbage u dummies

yeovil knievel (NickB), Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:57 (two years ago) Permalink

What happened to vinyl fans being diggers? I remember when I first got into vinyl, it was just instinctual to hit second hand stores. Has common sense gone out the window in order to make room for this renewed interest in vinyl?

as a new vinyl buyer i will say that i have been to many second-hand shops over the last 5 years and the selections - esp re what i'm looking for - tend to be really really bad. otoh if yr in the market for a jefferson airplane album this is a golden time to be alive.

Mordy, Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:58 (two years ago) Permalink

most of the good vinyl i've gotten have been donations from relatives, finding stuff on ebay, and -- eek - paying full price for some new reissue

Mordy, Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:59 (two years ago) Permalink

Airplane may not suck, but it is an easy, 25¢ thrift store find.

And yeah, genuinely *GREAT* stuff is not going to be found in thrift stores. But when everything's a quarter, you have to expect Cat Stevens, not Velvet Underground.

austinato (Austin), Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:03 (two years ago) Permalink

I guess burning n00bs will never get old.

austinato (Austin), Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:19 (two years ago) Permalink

dying at the stereogum VNYL story, had not heard of this amazing scam. i'm imagining someone having some kind of account difficulty, they can't turn it off, lost password, and every month three more England Dan & John Ford Coley LPs show up, with "#LazySunday" stickers on the front, because of their interest in Sleater-Kinney, Meat Beat Manifesto and Sun Ra. they run out of places to put them, local stores have them on the blacklist, city sanitation crews rip them out of the trash and hurl them back under their doors. and yet they keep coming. endless England Dan & John Ford Coley. eventually a fire starts and they die of poisonous vinyl fumes. all for only $25 a month --- thanks, kickstarter and #VYNL!

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:19 (two years ago) Permalink

i've always wanted to buy a dog eared copies of Sesame Street's The Muppet Musicians of Bremen and a Perry Como compilation for 25 bucks

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:19 (two years ago) Permalink

the best part of the kickstarter economy part of the story is that nobody bothered to see if pay-for-records is legal, so it's now technically pay-for-whatever

the fact that they have no actual curation and it's just backstock and secondhand garbage is icing

ultimate american sock (mh), Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:26 (two years ago) Permalink

Quoting the owner:

“It fucking sucks when we disappoint our members. We honestly feel incredibly sad when a member doesn’t like what we sent. That sucks for them and also for us. It’s like you just spent all this time planning out what you think is an awesome surprise gift idea for someone and then they can’t mask the look of disappointment when they open it up right in front of you. It’s completely deflating. Unfortunately, this comes with the territory of being a human curated service."

I imagine in the back of his mind he's thinking: "Nailed it! Just got to stay in character, then nobody can call us out! It's all subjective, I'll say. As long as enough r/vinyl or Urban Outfitters type kids keep subscribing we should be just fine."

Evan, Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:27 (two years ago) Permalink

If this was mine I'd just buy the contents of a record store that is going out of business with the kickstarter money and pay someone to put four random records that aren't too beat up in an envelope monthly

that'd be like a half-dozen kids working minimum wage for a couple days per month maximum right?

ultimate american sock (mh), Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:29 (two years ago) Permalink

https://media.wnyc.org/media/photologue/images/a7/yourfavoritexmas3_firestone722.jpg

My #XmasVibes arrived! Nice clean copy. No flood damage!

andrew m., Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:31 (two years ago) Permalink

^
Might be U.S.-centric

andrew m., Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:32 (two years ago) Permalink

I have a shirt I bought at Ross a few years ago because the pattern resembled the cover of "No New York" :/

sarahell, Friday, 26 May 2017 13:12 (four months ago) Permalink

In the 80s I had a blue and white plaid flannel that I adored because the squares were so large it looked like something Jaime Hernandez would draw for a Love & Rockets character.

https://frivolousnow.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/img1951.jpg

pavane to the darryl of strawberry (bendy), Friday, 26 May 2017 18:45 (four months ago) Permalink

^Maggie Minus Garfield

JRN, Friday, 26 May 2017 19:33 (four months ago) Permalink

haha

heck i've even been an 'oyster pirate' (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 26 May 2017 19:39 (four months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Some prime Alan Partridge in this article
http://bedfordandbowery.com/2017/06/new-east-village-record-store-will-be-like-flight-club-but-for-records/

"Sorge says the impetus for the store is partly a response to the “vinyl resurgence” underway, and also a sense that contemporary music is not well stocked in record stores, which tend to be dominated by a “pony-tailed, Dylan-loving old guard” which caters heavily to Led Zeppelin and Beatles fans but not those of Nirvana or the Pixies or more recent work."

I was hoping they would say something like Foo Fighters : Only the band Nirvana could've been.

"They’ve been posting finds to their Instagram as they go — “everything from Nas to Jawbreaker to De La Soul and a bunch of stuff we picked up in Japan like the Smiths and the White Stripes and Nirvana and the Roots. We’re all over the place, as long as it’s contemporary, and I use ‘contemporary’ very loosely. Indie rock or anything past the ’80s.”

The shop will be located at 221 E. 10th Street, between First and Second Avenue. The storefront will be small and intimate — “a little sub-street-level place,” said Sorge — and the hope is that it will serve as a community and gathering place, “like Flight Club, but for records.”

Sorge and Porges are eschewing the dusty, rummage-bin atmosphere of the stereotypical record shop in favor of a cleaner, more modern aesthetic. Boles Studio, which supplied furniture for Etsy’s offices among others, is building the record bins."

Odysseus, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 17:58 (three months ago) Permalink

Nirvana and Pixies are further away from now than the beatles and zep were when I was 17 in 1990

Odysseus, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 17:59 (three months ago) Permalink

otm

it's the flattening of time that happens when you age. the stuff I remember being on the classic rock station when I was a kid was barely a decade old

mh, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 18:10 (three months ago) Permalink

has the station changed since though?

Odysseus, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 18:15 (three months ago) Permalink

lol aside from adding select REM and U2 cuts, I doubt it

sleeve, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 18:17 (three months ago) Permalink

they play nirvana now iirc

mh, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 19:25 (three months ago) Permalink

nirvana and elvis, back and forth forever

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 19:34 (three months ago) Permalink

oh there's no way they play elvis

I just installed their app since the website's playlist/streaming stuff was useless

it's 99% 70s/80s stuff, with the newest inclusions two Guns n' Roses songs, Soundgarden (Black Hole Sun, of course) and a song by Collective Soul (?!?)

there are about five .39 Special or Van Halen songs for every one of those, though

mh, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 19:46 (three months ago) Permalink

.38 Special is only one hundredth of a percent older?

sarahell, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 20:02 (three months ago) Permalink

ooh good typo joke

mh, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 20:02 (three months ago) Permalink

that is the second reference to .38 special ive seen today. Never heard them.

Odysseus, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 20:44 (three months ago) Permalink

all their songs are actually misremembered hits of other bands -- you know, where someone plays you a handful of songs and you're like "yeah, that one is by the Eagles, this one is by Foreigner, this is Lynyrd Skynyrd" and it turns out you were completely wrong and they're all by this band you've never heard of

mh, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 20:55 (three months ago) Permalink

So... out of business in six months?

Puke and Other Poems (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 29 June 2017 02:25 (three months ago) Permalink

first rule of this record store is you don't talk about the record store

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 29 June 2017 12:41 (three months ago) Permalink

Done!

Puke and Other Poems (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 29 June 2017 18:42 (three months ago) Permalink

God, that Limited to One thing. I checked out the Instagram and it's, like, posting Alkaline Trio 45s and third rate Morrissey albums.

If that shit is "Fight Club, but for records" I hope it's one of those super violent fights where there's not a clear winner because all the participants died in the fight.

Austin, Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:47 (three months ago) Permalink

Just reading that article and looking at the Instagram profile. Yuck.

I need to wash my hands or something. I feel gross now.

Austin, Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:48 (three months ago) Permalink

Good god, I shut down my computer and went to play guitar, but all I could think of was how infuriating that Limited to One bullshit is. Through their various outlets, they're all like, "be punk, be DIY." But then they go on to regurgitate the ethos of the exact opposite of that philosophy.

I mean, jeez. This is like scum of the earth level status as far as I can tell. Fuck these people.

Austin, Thursday, 29 June 2017 21:22 (three months ago) Permalink

it's Flight Club not Fight Club. I was informed its a 'sneakers store'

Odysseus, Thursday, 29 June 2017 22:11 (three months ago) Permalink

another thing that has made my blood boil lately is that the VINYL ME PLEASE editions of some records are becoming more valuable than other pressings. i think the record collecting community should all come together and agree that blacklist any and all of these n00b editions.

just another (diamonddave85), Thursday, 29 June 2017 22:43 (three months ago) Permalink

but.... are they better pressings, or just some dumb "limited" release? genuinely curious, not familiar w/them

sleeve, Thursday, 29 June 2017 22:46 (three months ago) Permalink

If they're pressed on colored/picture disc vinyl, they are inherently inferior. Doesn't matter about the size of the pressing run.

Austin, Thursday, 29 June 2017 23:03 (three months ago) Permalink

generally ltd run colored, but sometimes special like the remaster

just another (diamonddave85), Thursday, 29 June 2017 23:55 (three months ago) Permalink

So it looks like they're using the same matrix #/plates on the War on Drugs... so nice, worn out plates and inferior grade vinyl. Noice!

Puke and Other Poems (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 30 June 2017 00:06 (three months ago) Permalink

haha good catch

sleeve, Friday, 30 June 2017 00:22 (three months ago) Permalink

I'm down with the 45 rpm thing but fuck a colored vinyl

sleeve, Friday, 30 June 2017 00:23 (three months ago) Permalink

see also: 4 different color vinyl options for the Snowy Red/Carol reissue 7"

sleeve, Friday, 30 June 2017 00:24 (three months ago) Permalink

Every time a new release comes out on colored vinyl, I go out of my way to make sure I don't get the colored version. Colored/picture disc vinyl is one of the biggest shams of all time. Anybody who claims to be into vinyl "because it sounds better" and then goes on to seek out these colored and picture disc pressings is so fucking bamboozled. I'd feel bad for them if they didn't create their own quagmire.

Austin, Friday, 30 June 2017 01:07 (three months ago) Permalink

where does it end? how long till vinyl me please offers hot stampers?

just another (diamonddave85), Friday, 30 June 2017 02:03 (three months ago) Permalink

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/06/30/vinyl-records-are-so-popular-that-sony-plans-to-make-them-again/

In 1989, Sony Music decided to stop producing the outdated, cumbersome records. Since then, music has enjoyed many formats, including the compact disc, the digital MP3 and, finally, streaming.

Somehow, though, the vinyl record hung on. Now, after a 28-year hiatus, Sony announced it will resume production of the vinyl record.

The details are scant, but the pressing plant will be in a factory southwest of Tokyo, CNN Money reported. It’s unclear what genres of music the company will be producing.

...

Vinyl record sales have been skyrocketing. More than 9.2 million records were sold in 2014, according to Time. In 2015, that number reached nearly 12 million, Hugh McIntyre wrote in Forbes. That year’s sales were the highest since 1988, pulling in $416 million, Fortune reported.

They even gave digital a run for its money. As The Post’s Thomas Heath wrote in December, “In Britain, vinyl sales ($3.02 million) — those petroleum-based discs that you hold gingerly by the edges — eclipsed digital music downloads ($2.6 million) for week 48 of this year.”

“That a format nearly a century old generated 3.6 percent of total global revenues is remarkable,” wrote NPR’s Andrew Flanagan of the vinyl record’s performance in 2016. And “vinyl could account for up to 18% of all physical music revenue this year,” CNN Money said, citing a recent report by consulting firm Deloitte.

i actually had to stop collecting vinyl just as i was getting started because i ended up moving not once, not twice, but about half a dozen times across two different countries, which kind of makes me sad, as ever since i've lived with minimal things because i don't have a stable place and no place feels like home

i n f i n i t y (∞), Friday, 30 June 2017 16:10 (three months ago) Permalink

“That a format nearly a century old generated 3.6 percent of total global revenues is remarkable,” wrote NPR’s Andrew Flanagan of the vinyl record’s performance in 2016. And “vinyl could account for up to 18% of all physical music revenue this year,” CNN Money said, citing a recent report by consulting firm Deloitte.

I like the elision from "3.6% of total global revenues" to "18% of all physical music revenue". Very slick.

This is nicely done, too:

In 2015, that number reached nearly 12 million, Hugh McIntyre wrote in Forbes. That year’s sales were the highest since 1988...

What were the sales totals for LPs in 1988, though? I bet they were significantly more than 12 million.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 30 June 2017 16:52 (three months ago) Permalink

http://static.spin.com/files/140516-vinyl-riaa.jpg

sleeve, Friday, 30 June 2017 16:57 (three months ago) Permalink

that looks like maybe 20 million? hard to tell

sleeve, Friday, 30 June 2017 16:57 (three months ago) Permalink

hey look what else I found

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinyl_revival

sleeve, Friday, 30 June 2017 16:58 (three months ago) Permalink

Looks like about 50 million, compared to 150 million CDs.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 30 June 2017 17:04 (three months ago) Permalink

You GUYS, I just put out some rare Texas Is The Reason vinyls that I picked up on my buying trip to Jakarta last month. Get on over here!

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19510360_10156007504502137_2046837864419874975_n.jpg?oh=150aa9f643c45ce34b7e80af83a4f720&oe=59C49A23

scott seward, Friday, 30 June 2017 17:08 (three months ago) Permalink

In 2015, that number reached nearly 12 million, Hugh McIntyre wrote in Forbes. That year’s sales were the highest since 1988...

What were the sales totals for LPs in 1988, though? I bet they were significantly more than 12 million.

― grawlix (unperson), Friday, June 30, 2017 9:52 AM (twenty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you're getting into more advanced math because you need to account for inflation, which in itself has different theories of ways of doing it

i mean...in 2015, i'm assuming that $416 million number is revenue

in 1988, revenue was $532 million and in 1989, $220 million, which is good enough for me (accounting for inflation, 2015 is up by ~$18 million); deal in cost of production/labour/wholesale and things get more complicated

revenue data: https://www.riaa.com/u-s-sales-database/

and if you want more fun, cpi inflation calculator: https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm

i n f i n i t y (∞), Friday, 30 June 2017 17:31 (three months ago) Permalink

why the heck doesn't that chart include cassette tapes?!

mh, Friday, 30 June 2017 18:37 (three months ago) Permalink

the one sleeve linked, I mean

cassettes were ridiculously huge in the US by around 1990, I remember the midwestern shopping mall music stores having entire walls just covered in cassettes. unless there was a promo image, you'd have to get really close just to see what they were

mh, Friday, 30 June 2017 18:39 (three months ago) Permalink

i was talking to someone and she told me a pressing plant is opening in athens (georgia)?

maura, Friday, 30 June 2017 19:34 (three months ago) Permalink

Not just walls, mh.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/99/a4/45/99a4458acd1e9f21d76b1fe6a0c8e6e9.jpg

andrew m., Friday, 30 June 2017 19:34 (three months ago) Permalink

Kindercore Vinyl is the new pressing plant in Athens.

Brad C., Friday, 30 June 2017 19:41 (three months ago) Permalink

i am the vinyl pressing center

mh, Friday, 30 June 2017 20:18 (three months ago) Permalink

baaahahaha

﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Friday, 30 June 2017 20:20 (three months ago) Permalink

well i was going to mention while it's worth mentioning that there are ~20 companies manufacturing vinyl records, they sound like they are small operations

sounds like sony wants to do this at a larger scale

i n f i n i t y (∞), Friday, 30 June 2017 20:29 (three months ago) Permalink


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