Shady scams and other silly business ideas to take advantage of earnest new vinyl collectors

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Has anyone heard of http://vnyl.org/?

I think it was mentioned in a "terrible ideas" thread but it turns out that it is actually a great idea if you want to find a way to trick people into buying $1.50 worth of records for $25.00 (which I believe is the subscription cost).

http://www.stereogum.com/1801049/vnyl-sliding-why-the-netflix-for-vinyl-service-is-such-a-mess/franchises/essay/

Apparently no matter who you indicate as your favorite artists, they'll just send you a random three common 70s thrift shop records and then play dumb if that upsets you.
They don't accept returns.

Evan, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:33 (eight years ago) link

http://www.recordstoreday.com/

example (crüt), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:35 (eight years ago) link

https://twitter.com/themattbates/status/594284588257579008/photo/1

skip, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:40 (eight years ago) link

good lord

Mr. Murphy in the wine bar. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:43 (eight years ago) link

http://www.shugarecords.com/

sleeve, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:45 (eight years ago) link

http://www.better-records.com/dept.asp?dept_id=14-015-034

sleeve, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:45 (eight years ago) link

http://www.artvinyl.com/

anthony braxton diamond geezer (anagram), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:56 (eight years ago) link

the second hand rack in the one Urban Outfitters store I've browsed was 98% dogshit and sold everything for £6 but I was happy enough with the Heavy Metal Kids LP I got for that price

pull blart, maul cops (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:57 (eight years ago) link

http://www.artvinyl.com/

― anthony braxton diamond geezer (anagram), Thursday, May 14, 2015 2:56 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the branch of (UK odds'n'ends austerity store) Home Bargains near my house sells 12" frames for £1.99 if anyone fancies displaying some LPs on their wall but isn't a profligate moron who thinks that £39 is good value for such a thing

pull blart, maul cops (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:02 (eight years ago) link

Seriously, how is this a thing?

austinato (Austin), Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:12 (eight years ago) link

Which one?

Evan, Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:20 (eight years ago) link

On my twittefeed I keep getting a "Get xx number of indie singles from new acts each month, pre-chosen for youx" subscription service.

I mean, why would I?

(I'd post the link, but it's not there at the mo)

I dare-say a bunch of you music writers would pay a monthly fee to not receive etc, but.

Mark G, Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:30 (eight years ago) link

the second hand rack in the one Urban Outfitters store I've browsed was 98% dogshit and sold everything for £6 but I was happy enough with the Heavy Metal Kids LP I got for that price

― pull blart, maul cops (DJ Mencap), Thursday, May 14, 2015 2:57 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

If that's the one at Marble Arch, all the second-hand stuff has gone, leaving only the 180g represses..

Mark G, Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:32 (eight years ago) link

nah it was in Cardiff and yeah it's just moderately overpriced new stuff now so presumably such is the case with all their stores

pull blart, maul cops (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:34 (eight years ago) link

This is more silly than scam, I guess, but ...

http://vinylmeplease.com/how-it-works/

"Custom cocktail pairing recipes"

andrew m., Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:37 (eight years ago) link

It's...pretty exclusive. Request your invite today.

andrew m., Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:39 (eight years ago) link

Wow. This is so depressing.

MikoMcha, Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:53 (eight years ago) link

need that custom youth lagoon record for $27

Mr. Murphy in the wine bar. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:06 (eight years ago) link

lol these are all pretty great

k3vin k., Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:11 (eight years ago) link

the VNYL scam is amazing, the robotic 500 days of summer tone of their con artistry is brilliant

ceres, Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:18 (eight years ago) link

http://www.homebargains.co.uk/products/10407-rock-it-records-12-album-sleeve-frame-case-of-12.aspx

"Our price: £23.88"

(for 12!)

we have those expensive frames in the office, filled with U2 and Bob Marley sleeves.

koogs, Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:23 (eight years ago) link

That girl on the front page of VNYL. So excited! So naive! Such a perfectly sad thing! Ugh

andrew m., Thursday, 14 May 2015 17:03 (eight years ago) link

Not to mention the really poorly executed record-face meme thing with the fka twigs. Just.. no.

andrew m., Thursday, 14 May 2015 17:05 (eight years ago) link

https://twitter.com/ajakober/status/598701455080431616

Evan, Thursday, 14 May 2015 17:10 (eight years ago) link

wasn't there a thread on ILM started by someone looking into setting up something like this a few months ago ?

had a revival a little after, but to little avail.

mark e, Thursday, 14 May 2015 17:14 (eight years ago) link

WTF

https://twitter.com/gotvnyl/status/598911277952557057

Evan, Thursday, 14 May 2015 18:19 (eight years ago) link

That is NOT Doug Martsch...

Evan, Thursday, 14 May 2015 18:22 (eight years ago) link

Am I crazy here? Are they trying to trick people into thinking that's Doug Martsch, or did this dude trick them?

Evan, Thursday, 14 May 2015 18:27 (eight years ago) link

maybe that guy's name is also doug martsch

k3vin k., Thursday, 14 May 2015 18:38 (eight years ago) link

Parody account.

andrew m., Thursday, 14 May 2015 18:51 (eight years ago) link

Real one's GETvinyl not got. Still sux.

andrew m., Thursday, 14 May 2015 18:52 (eight years ago) link

any evidence that VNYL is actually a successful rip-off, or just a would-be rip-off?

it seems sort of tone-deaf to me.

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:01 (eight years ago) link

Maybe it will inadvertently lead to a lounge/easy listening revival in a couple years.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:02 (eight years ago) link

Is there any evidence that anyone's gotten something besides thrift store garbage from VYNL?

SCHLITZ MIXED BAG (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:36 (eight years ago) link

Nope. Even with the happy customers.

Evan, Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:39 (eight years ago) link

Which one?

I was replying quickly on my phone earlier, so my initial response was to the first one, but it truly is disheartening to see so many.

What happened to vinyl fans being diggers? I remember when I first got into vinyl, it was just instinctual to hit second hand stores. Has common sense gone out the window in order to make room for this renewed interest in vinyl?

austinato (Austin), Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:54 (eight years ago) link

lol crut

markers, Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:55 (eight years ago) link

Hey, jefferson airplane is not garbage u dummies

yeovil knievel (NickB), Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:57 (eight years ago) link

What happened to vinyl fans being diggers? I remember when I first got into vinyl, it was just instinctual to hit second hand stores. Has common sense gone out the window in order to make room for this renewed interest in vinyl?

as a new vinyl buyer i will say that i have been to many second-hand shops over the last 5 years and the selections - esp re what i'm looking for - tend to be really really bad. otoh if yr in the market for a jefferson airplane album this is a golden time to be alive.

Mordy, Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:58 (eight years ago) link

most of the good vinyl i've gotten have been donations from relatives, finding stuff on ebay, and -- eek - paying full price for some new reissue

Mordy, Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:59 (eight years ago) link

Airplane may not suck, but it is an easy, 25¢ thrift store find.

And yeah, genuinely *GREAT* stuff is not going to be found in thrift stores. But when everything's a quarter, you have to expect Cat Stevens, not Velvet Underground.

austinato (Austin), Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:03 (eight years ago) link

I guess burning n00bs will never get old.

austinato (Austin), Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:19 (eight years ago) link

dying at the stereogum VNYL story, had not heard of this amazing scam. i'm imagining someone having some kind of account difficulty, they can't turn it off, lost password, and every month three more England Dan & John Ford Coley LPs show up, with "#LazySunday" stickers on the front, because of their interest in Sleater-Kinney, Meat Beat Manifesto and Sun Ra. they run out of places to put them, local stores have them on the blacklist, city sanitation crews rip them out of the trash and hurl them back under their doors. and yet they keep coming. endless England Dan & John Ford Coley. eventually a fire starts and they die of poisonous vinyl fumes. all for only $25 a month --- thanks, kickstarter and #VYNL!

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:19 (eight years ago) link

i've always wanted to buy a dog eared copies of Sesame Street's The Muppet Musicians of Bremen and a Perry Como compilation for 25 bucks

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:19 (eight years ago) link

the best part of the kickstarter economy part of the story is that nobody bothered to see if pay-for-records is legal, so it's now technically pay-for-whatever

the fact that they have no actual curation and it's just backstock and secondhand garbage is icing

ultimate american sock (mh), Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:26 (eight years ago) link

Quoting the owner:

“It fucking sucks when we disappoint our members. We honestly feel incredibly sad when a member doesn’t like what we sent. That sucks for them and also for us. It’s like you just spent all this time planning out what you think is an awesome surprise gift idea for someone and then they can’t mask the look of disappointment when they open it up right in front of you. It’s completely deflating. Unfortunately, this comes with the territory of being a human curated service."

I imagine in the back of his mind he's thinking: "Nailed it! Just got to stay in character, then nobody can call us out! It's all subjective, I'll say. As long as enough r/vinyl or Urban Outfitters type kids keep subscribing we should be just fine."

Evan, Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:27 (eight years ago) link

If this was mine I'd just buy the contents of a record store that is going out of business with the kickstarter money and pay someone to put four random records that aren't too beat up in an envelope monthly

that'd be like a half-dozen kids working minimum wage for a couple days per month maximum right?

ultimate american sock (mh), Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:29 (eight years ago) link

https://media.wnyc.org/media/photologue/images/a7/yourfavoritexmas3_firestone722.jpg

My #XmasVibes arrived! Nice clean copy. No flood damage!

andrew m., Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:31 (eight years ago) link

^
Might be U.S.-centric

andrew m., Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:32 (eight years ago) link

$30!

omar little, Monday, 20 November 2023 23:56 (four months ago) link

Thrift stores are vinyl grift stores now. My local has all their LPs at $4.99 -- it's the cheapest in the area. But it's all dollar bin fodder.

omar little, Monday, 20 November 2023 23:58 (four months ago) link

$30!!! I had to zip my lip

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 21 November 2023 00:09 (four months ago) link

That's an actual crime being committed

omar little, Tuesday, 21 November 2023 00:13 (four months ago) link

onfg

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Tuesday, 21 November 2023 00:47 (four months ago) link

sorry OMFG

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Tuesday, 21 November 2023 00:47 (four months ago) link

Sealed early pressing, I hope.

nickn, Tuesday, 21 November 2023 01:28 (four months ago) link

you guys haven't heard Grease? proto-punk band from Milwaukee, only released one record privately in '76, $30 is a steal!

budo jeru, Tuesday, 21 November 2023 01:39 (four months ago) link

For $30 I'd want a hot stamper so hot the vinyl's melting on my turntable and running into the mechanism.

sophie glanced up, looking concerned (Matt #2), Tuesday, 21 November 2023 02:44 (four months ago) link

It's electrifyin'

not the one who's tryin' to dub your anime (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 21 November 2023 04:21 (four months ago) link

i'm in a 'thrift scored records' group on FB where the rule is you can only post reccords you found in a thrift store and so many people complain their goodwills and thrifts have started jacking prices on albums to insane prices. Lots of $80 beatles records in terrible condition in locked up cases.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 21 November 2023 05:35 (four months ago) link

have often found stuff on my wantlist on Vinyl Pimp's discogs account but the whole thing of "spend £300 and stay in my hotel for free" they blurb under every entry squicked me out.

Yngwie Azalea (stevie), Tuesday, 21 November 2023 09:04 (four months ago) link

good setting for a murder mystery imo

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 21 November 2023 10:53 (four months ago) link

like Clue but all the murder weapons are things like "unstable Ikea Kallax"

budo jeru, Tuesday, 21 November 2023 14:16 (four months ago) link

Speaking of Goodwill getting in on the grift, have you ever checked out shopgoodwill.com? Some Goodwill stores sell stuff that never even makes it to the record bins if they think it will command a higher price on the internet. Nothing is graded, so it's a bit of a gamble.

I've tried it a couple of times with mixed results. One time I bought a lot of funk/r&b records that included a decent copy of Innervisions, but a Sly and the Family Stone's Greatest Hits that had huge skips all over side B. Another time though, I found a sealed copy of the first Warpaint EP that turned out to be a rare, colored pressing.

https://shopgoodwill.com/categories/records-8-track?p=1

peace, man, Wednesday, 22 November 2023 15:39 (four months ago) link

dang i had no idea -- this is kind of blowing my mind!

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 22 November 2023 15:44 (four months ago) link

they do it with books as well

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Wednesday, 22 November 2023 15:45 (four months ago) link

A 2013 article on Watchdog.org reported that Goodwill's tax returns showed that more than 100 Goodwills pay less than minimum wage while simultaneously paying more than $53.7 million in total compensation to top executives.[41]

budo jeru, Wednesday, 22 November 2023 16:01 (four months ago) link

yah they suck

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Wednesday, 22 November 2023 16:01 (four months ago) link

i figure everybody knows, but yeah. still better than Savers!

budo jeru, Wednesday, 22 November 2023 16:02 (four months ago) link

what's worse -- Salvation Army or Goodwill?

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 22 November 2023 16:05 (four months ago) link

i think SA bc iirc they are openly homophobic as well as being stingy w workers
Goodwill sounds simply stingy?

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 22 November 2023 16:05 (four months ago) link

and greedy!!

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 22 November 2023 16:05 (four months ago) link

yeah SA def worse

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Wednesday, 22 November 2023 16:06 (four months ago) link

Down by the riverside is NOT bound to be a better ride than what you got planned.

peace, man, Wednesday, 22 November 2023 16:10 (four months ago) link

i am pleased that i only hear the Bangles version of that song in my head

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 22 November 2023 16:12 (four months ago) link

yeah when i worked at goodwill some years back, i was always the first one to go through records, pick out the good stuff, and send it off to shop (which was our shorthand for the shop goodwill processing facility). they track which stuff comes from which donation sites and the places who consistently send in stuff that sells get paycheck bonuses; only ever about $30 every six months, but hey!

this also explains why you'll hardly ever find anything of any interest in the record bins in the stores.

protip: if you're into jewelry, shop goodwill could be a literal goldmine.

"another slice of death, please." (Austin), Wednesday, 22 November 2023 19:31 (four months ago) link

also yeah: i am definitely a disgruntled former employee

"another slice of death, please." (Austin), Wednesday, 22 November 2023 19:32 (four months ago) link

So, I guess my days of donating to Goodwill are over now

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 22 November 2023 19:33 (four months ago) link

sidebar attesting to gw's overall shittiness:
the local chapter here was found intentionally making payroll mistakes only on the checks for employees with developmental disabilities. it was never said out loud, but the implication was that they targeted these employees because they were less likely to notice.

it amounted to several years worth of this practice and over a million dollars in stolen wages.

"another slice of death, please." (Austin), Wednesday, 22 November 2023 19:36 (four months ago) link

I went to the Goodwill nearest me only a couple of times, they carry probably about 20 records at any moment and it's basically all along the lines of completely trashed copies of stuff like flower drum song or Eddie rabbitt's greatest Hits Volume 2, definitely not priced to move.

omar little, Wednesday, 22 November 2023 19:39 (four months ago) link

I like to donate actually decent stuff to independent thrift shops (like one for the SPCA) and scads of questionable shit to Value Village (aka Savers). They manage to sell, like, coax cable. At least there's always a steady supply of it on the wall.

maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 22 November 2023 20:21 (four months ago) link

this thrift “chain” in my area is pretty cool, 100% of profits go to HIV prevention

https://outofthecloset.org/

brimstead, Wednesday, 22 November 2023 21:00 (four months ago) link

I don’t know about vinyl, though, never found any cool discs digging thrift stores, possibly born too late

brimstead, Wednesday, 22 November 2023 21:02 (four months ago) link

yeah we have St. Vincent De Paul for a good local org

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Wednesday, 22 November 2023 21:13 (four months ago) link

my best thrift score in recent memory (i.e maybe 5 years ago) was a Mothers Of Invention album, the Buckingham/Nicks S/T, Miles Davis Quiet Nights, and T Rex Electric Warrior all together.

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Wednesday, 22 November 2023 21:14 (four months ago) link

we have a local SVDP too, actually two. i agree that it's good people. also the scores there are way better across categories

budo jeru, Wednesday, 22 November 2023 21:17 (four months ago) link

yes that score above was at SVDP, also the time I found a stash of like half a dozen mint Brazilian 45s from 1970-72, Veloso etc

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Wednesday, 22 November 2023 21:19 (four months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Not quite getting what this is, exactly, but it probably belongs here: http://repress.qrates.com

― a full playlist of presidential sex jams (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, August 15, 2016 5:11 PM (seven years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Not quite getting what this is, exactly, but it probably belongs here: http://repress.qrates.com

if i'm reading this right they'll straight up bootleg anything?! wtf

― andrew m., Wednesday, November 2, 2016 4:20 PM (seven years ago) bookmarkflaglink

"QRATES gives artists, labels and brands the tools..."

It's aimed at artists and labels, not just random people. How much checking they do is open to question though.

― koogs, Thursday, November 3, 2016 4:46 AM (seven years ago) bookmarkflaglink

not going qreat...

https://www.reddit.com/r/vinyl/s/inBLbNHOsx

https://www.reddit.com/r/VinylReleases/comments/18lkvuz/just_a_reminder_do_not_buy_from_qrates/

https://www.instagram.com/p/CzkCDvkveh0/

Evan, Tuesday, 19 December 2023 19:53 (three months ago) link

original url doesn't work so i'm having trouble understanding what this is

budo jeru, Tuesday, 19 December 2023 19:59 (three months ago) link

It was service that pressed to vinyl anything you sent in to them (copyright be damned).

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 20:08 (three months ago) link

sending in carrots

Formica Jordan (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 20:38 (three months ago) link

i thought this was an interesting comment in the first reddit thread:

Qrates uses GZ Media as their pressing plant. GZ was known for being a “safe” plant for sample-based music. Lots of vaporwave artists got their stuff pressed there, for instance. Around June of this year, GZ started using AI technology to identify samples and require clearance documentation. A LOT of Qrates’ projects were sample-based music, and around the middle of this year, a lot of projects had to be mass-refunded. This is my speculation. Qrates ran out of money to get anything pressed because GZ Media started cracking down on samples, and they had to mass refund a bunch of projects and ran out of cash.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 20:42 (three months ago) link

the sad thing about those reddit threads is just how many comments were basically, "whaaa! we should be able to press any sample we want, this is bullshit".

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 20:45 (three months ago) link

original url doesn't work so i'm having trouble understanding what this is

― budo jeru, Tuesday, December 19, 2023 2:59 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Ah I didn't realize that, here: https://qrates.com

Evan, Tuesday, 19 December 2023 21:38 (three months ago) link

i have only ever made records by physically going somewhere and having lacquers cut, which you then would mail off to be plated. it always seemed to me like the places where you sent files w/ music and art were weird because surely you'd end up with a disappointing product? or maybe i'm just too cynical about the QC at these kinds of places, although this story . . .

budo jeru, Tuesday, 19 December 2023 22:37 (three months ago) link

iirc, CZ does direct metal masters

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Wednesday, 20 December 2023 00:31 (three months ago) link

i'm not saying it's not legit, nor do i think my caveman process is the only way. but i've only ever been able to make it happen by doing as much as i possibly could myself

budo jeru, Wednesday, 20 December 2023 01:38 (three months ago) link

plus it's more fun that way

budo jeru, Wednesday, 20 December 2023 01:39 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

I won't go as far as calling it a shady scam, but I can't image why anyone would want to listen to Feldman's String Quartet II, an extremely long and quiet piece, on vinyl. Any tiny flaw, pop, or crackle will likely be louder than the music, and you have to switch sides every 25 minutes. Oh, and the label only offers this recording on vinyl - no CD, download, or streaming. (Luckily there are two other recordings of the piece out there).

https://www.discogs.com/release/14771547-Morton-Feldman-Pellegrini-Quartet-String-Quartet-II

Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Monday, 11 March 2024 04:56 (one month ago) link


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