Shady scams and other silly business ideas to take advantage of earnest new vinyl collectors

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Has anyone heard of http://vnyl.org/?

I think it was mentioned in a "terrible ideas" thread but it turns out that it is actually a great idea if you want to find a way to trick people into buying $1.50 worth of records for $25.00 (which I believe is the subscription cost).

http://www.stereogum.com/1801049/vnyl-sliding-why-the-netflix-for-vinyl-service-is-such-a-mess/franchises/essay/

Apparently no matter who you indicate as your favorite artists, they'll just send you a random three common 70s thrift shop records and then play dumb if that upsets you.
They don't accept returns.

Evan, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:33 (three years ago) Permalink

http://www.recordstoreday.com/

example (crüt), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:35 (three years ago) Permalink

good lord

Mr. Murphy in the wine bar. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:43 (three years ago) Permalink

http://www.shugarecords.com/

sleeve, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:45 (three years ago) Permalink

http://www.better-records.com/dept.asp?dept_id=14-015-034

sleeve, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:45 (three years ago) Permalink

http://www.artvinyl.com/

anthony braxton diamond geezer (anagram), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:56 (three years ago) Permalink

the second hand rack in the one Urban Outfitters store I've browsed was 98% dogshit and sold everything for £6 but I was happy enough with the Heavy Metal Kids LP I got for that price

pull blart, maul cops (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:57 (three years ago) Permalink

http://www.artvinyl.com/

― anthony braxton diamond geezer (anagram), Thursday, May 14, 2015 2:56 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the branch of (UK odds'n'ends austerity store) Home Bargains near my house sells 12" frames for £1.99 if anyone fancies displaying some LPs on their wall but isn't a profligate moron who thinks that £39 is good value for such a thing

pull blart, maul cops (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:02 (three years ago) Permalink

Seriously, how is this a thing?

austinato (Austin), Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:12 (three years ago) Permalink

Which one?

Evan, Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:20 (three years ago) Permalink

On my twittefeed I keep getting a "Get xx number of indie singles from new acts each month, pre-chosen for youx" subscription service.

I mean, why would I?

(I'd post the link, but it's not there at the mo)

I dare-say a bunch of you music writers would pay a monthly fee to not receive etc, but.

Mark G, Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:30 (three years ago) Permalink

the second hand rack in the one Urban Outfitters store I've browsed was 98% dogshit and sold everything for £6 but I was happy enough with the Heavy Metal Kids LP I got for that price

― pull blart, maul cops (DJ Mencap), Thursday, May 14, 2015 2:57 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

If that's the one at Marble Arch, all the second-hand stuff has gone, leaving only the 180g represses..

Mark G, Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:32 (three years ago) Permalink

nah it was in Cardiff and yeah it's just moderately overpriced new stuff now so presumably such is the case with all their stores

pull blart, maul cops (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:34 (three years ago) Permalink

This is more silly than scam, I guess, but ...

http://vinylmeplease.com/how-it-works/

"Custom cocktail pairing recipes"

andrew m., Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:37 (three years ago) Permalink

It's...pretty exclusive. Request your invite today.

andrew m., Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:39 (three years ago) Permalink

Wow. This is so depressing.

MikoMcha, Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:53 (three years ago) Permalink

need that custom youth lagoon record for $27

Mr. Murphy in the wine bar. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:06 (three years ago) Permalink

lol these are all pretty great

k3vin k., Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:11 (three years ago) Permalink

the VNYL scam is amazing, the robotic 500 days of summer tone of their con artistry is brilliant

ceres, Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:18 (three years ago) Permalink

http://www.homebargains.co.uk/products/10407-rock-it-records-12-album-sleeve-frame-case-of-12.aspx

"Our price: £23.88"

(for 12!)

we have those expensive frames in the office, filled with U2 and Bob Marley sleeves.

koogs, Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:23 (three years ago) Permalink

That girl on the front page of VNYL. So excited! So naive! Such a perfectly sad thing! Ugh

andrew m., Thursday, 14 May 2015 17:03 (three years ago) Permalink

Not to mention the really poorly executed record-face meme thing with the fka twigs. Just.. no.

andrew m., Thursday, 14 May 2015 17:05 (three years ago) Permalink

https://twitter.com/ajakober/status/598701455080431616

Evan, Thursday, 14 May 2015 17:10 (three years ago) Permalink

wasn't there a thread on ILM started by someone looking into setting up something like this a few months ago ?

had a revival a little after, but to little avail.

mark e, Thursday, 14 May 2015 17:14 (three years ago) Permalink

WTF

https://twitter.com/gotvnyl/status/598911277952557057

Evan, Thursday, 14 May 2015 18:19 (three years ago) Permalink

That is NOT Doug Martsch...

Evan, Thursday, 14 May 2015 18:22 (three years ago) Permalink

Am I crazy here? Are they trying to trick people into thinking that's Doug Martsch, or did this dude trick them?

Evan, Thursday, 14 May 2015 18:27 (three years ago) Permalink

maybe that guy's name is also doug martsch

k3vin k., Thursday, 14 May 2015 18:38 (three years ago) Permalink

Parody account.

andrew m., Thursday, 14 May 2015 18:51 (three years ago) Permalink

Real one's GETvinyl not got. Still sux.

andrew m., Thursday, 14 May 2015 18:52 (three years ago) Permalink

any evidence that VNYL is actually a successful rip-off, or just a would-be rip-off?

it seems sort of tone-deaf to me.

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:01 (three years ago) Permalink

Maybe it will inadvertently lead to a lounge/easy listening revival in a couple years.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:02 (three years ago) Permalink

Is there any evidence that anyone's gotten something besides thrift store garbage from VYNL?

SCHLITZ MIXED BAG (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:36 (three years ago) Permalink

Nope. Even with the happy customers.

Evan, Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:39 (three years ago) Permalink

Which one?

I was replying quickly on my phone earlier, so my initial response was to the first one, but it truly is disheartening to see so many.

What happened to vinyl fans being diggers? I remember when I first got into vinyl, it was just instinctual to hit second hand stores. Has common sense gone out the window in order to make room for this renewed interest in vinyl?

austinato (Austin), Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:54 (three years ago) Permalink

lol crut

markers, Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:55 (three years ago) Permalink

Hey, jefferson airplane is not garbage u dummies

yeovil knievel (NickB), Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:57 (three years ago) Permalink

What happened to vinyl fans being diggers? I remember when I first got into vinyl, it was just instinctual to hit second hand stores. Has common sense gone out the window in order to make room for this renewed interest in vinyl?

as a new vinyl buyer i will say that i have been to many second-hand shops over the last 5 years and the selections - esp re what i'm looking for - tend to be really really bad. otoh if yr in the market for a jefferson airplane album this is a golden time to be alive.

Mordy, Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:58 (three years ago) Permalink

most of the good vinyl i've gotten have been donations from relatives, finding stuff on ebay, and -- eek - paying full price for some new reissue

Mordy, Thursday, 14 May 2015 19:59 (three years ago) Permalink

Airplane may not suck, but it is an easy, 25¢ thrift store find.

And yeah, genuinely *GREAT* stuff is not going to be found in thrift stores. But when everything's a quarter, you have to expect Cat Stevens, not Velvet Underground.

austinato (Austin), Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:03 (three years ago) Permalink

I guess burning n00bs will never get old.

austinato (Austin), Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:19 (three years ago) Permalink

dying at the stereogum VNYL story, had not heard of this amazing scam. i'm imagining someone having some kind of account difficulty, they can't turn it off, lost password, and every month three more England Dan & John Ford Coley LPs show up, with "#LazySunday" stickers on the front, because of their interest in Sleater-Kinney, Meat Beat Manifesto and Sun Ra. they run out of places to put them, local stores have them on the blacklist, city sanitation crews rip them out of the trash and hurl them back under their doors. and yet they keep coming. endless England Dan & John Ford Coley. eventually a fire starts and they die of poisonous vinyl fumes. all for only $25 a month --- thanks, kickstarter and #VYNL!

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:19 (three years ago) Permalink

i've always wanted to buy a dog eared copies of Sesame Street's The Muppet Musicians of Bremen and a Perry Como compilation for 25 bucks

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:19 (three years ago) Permalink

the best part of the kickstarter economy part of the story is that nobody bothered to see if pay-for-records is legal, so it's now technically pay-for-whatever

the fact that they have no actual curation and it's just backstock and secondhand garbage is icing

ultimate american sock (mh), Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:26 (three years ago) Permalink

Quoting the owner:

“It fucking sucks when we disappoint our members. We honestly feel incredibly sad when a member doesn’t like what we sent. That sucks for them and also for us. It’s like you just spent all this time planning out what you think is an awesome surprise gift idea for someone and then they can’t mask the look of disappointment when they open it up right in front of you. It’s completely deflating. Unfortunately, this comes with the territory of being a human curated service."

I imagine in the back of his mind he's thinking: "Nailed it! Just got to stay in character, then nobody can call us out! It's all subjective, I'll say. As long as enough r/vinyl or Urban Outfitters type kids keep subscribing we should be just fine."

Evan, Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:27 (three years ago) Permalink

If this was mine I'd just buy the contents of a record store that is going out of business with the kickstarter money and pay someone to put four random records that aren't too beat up in an envelope monthly

that'd be like a half-dozen kids working minimum wage for a couple days per month maximum right?

ultimate american sock (mh), Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:29 (three years ago) Permalink

https://media.wnyc.org/media/photologue/images/a7/yourfavoritexmas3_firestone722.jpg

My #XmasVibes arrived! Nice clean copy. No flood damage!

andrew m., Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:31 (three years ago) Permalink

^
Might be U.S.-centric

andrew m., Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:32 (three years ago) Permalink

i remember that grand royal sale. but by the time i was even browsing it it was down to pizzicato 5 singles, and ummm.... a sean lennon album maybe? the bran van 3000 lp that didn't have "drinkin' in LA" ? you had to be real on the ball.

explosion from DOOM courtesy of id software (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 12 April 2018 14:47 (two months ago) Permalink

that most reviled of used CDs, REM's Monster, sells for a little chunk of dough iirc. Lots of stuff from that time.

ian, Thursday, 12 April 2018 14:48 (two months ago) Permalink

this is an interview along the same lines as ums's link, although more geared toward mastering for vinyl:
http://www.roberthenke.com/interviews/mastering.html

for a lot of the european/techno/electronic releases I like, anything mastered at dubplates&mastering is pretty much guaranteed to be excellent

alvin noto (mh), Thursday, 12 April 2018 14:48 (two months ago) Permalink

SO many dollar CDs that sell for a ton on vinyl. sucks to be a fan of things.

x-post

scott seward, Thursday, 12 April 2018 14:56 (two months ago) Permalink

a lot of the stuff that sells for a ton on CD now is music you would never think of in a million years. some aor rock album from the 70s reissued for five seconds in japan in 1996 and never reissued again. hundreds of dollars. again, some dollar bin record on vinyl.

scott seward, Thursday, 12 April 2018 14:59 (two months ago) Permalink

Beta Band, Mogwai, Cake, Eels, Pearl Jam, Pumpkins, Yo La Tengo, National, Nick Cave, Tortoise, GbV... All that stuff that wasn't even that rare at the time was selling like crazy 5-10 years ago. It went down a bit but it always surprised me pretty regular stuff like the above went for 40, 50, 60 a pop and higher.

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 12 April 2018 15:01 (two months ago) Permalink

(first IDM wave records too)

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 12 April 2018 15:02 (two months ago) Permalink

oh and Mo'Wax/UNKLE etc. That was madness for a while

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 12 April 2018 15:03 (two months ago) Permalink

Stuff I've sold on Discogs in the past 18 months for GBP 100 or more, in descending order - 7" unless flagged otherwise:

dib cochran & the earwigs - oh baby
larry lurex - I can hear music
roy castle - record breaker
blitzkrieg bop - let's go
shina williams & his african percussionists - agboju logun (12")
the klf - chill out (LP)
dolly mixture - demonstration tapes (LP)
jonathan jr - hangin' on to you (12")
angelo & eighteen - midnight flight
smoke - dreams of dreams
queen - keep yourself alive (promo)
donna gaines (donna summer) - sally go round the roses
millionaires - never for me
georgie fame - somebody stole my thunder

and from GBP 75-99, all 7":

jungle brothers 40 below trooper
sandie jones - music of love
ya ho wha 13 - the last chant / awaken
garland green - ain't that good enough / love now pay later
gladys knight & the pips - take me in your arms and love me (promo)
nolan porter - if I could only be sure / work it out in the morning
levi jackson - this beautiful day
paul st. john - flying saucers have landed
slade - merry xmas everybody (promo sleeve)
creations - footsteps / a dream
joubert singers - stand on the word

mike t-diva, Thursday, 12 April 2018 15:13 (two months ago) Permalink

ah man I assume this must've been the Mortonsound version if it went for that much -

blitzkrieg bop - let's go

but I love that record. Not enough to pay £200+ for it though.

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 12 April 2018 15:37 (two months ago) Permalink

40 below trooper on 7-inch is dope. i only have the 12-inch.

scott seward, Thursday, 12 April 2018 15:40 (two months ago) Permalink

I got a Duster (90s band) album for cheap off Amazon or something in 2010... now it goes for $250. Found a Duster 7" in a bin at Gimme Gimme in NYC (now closed/moved) for $8 now goes for $60. Sometimes forgotten bands just explode with a sudden cult following.

Evan, Thursday, 12 April 2018 15:44 (two months ago) Permalink

Yeah, the Blitzkrieg Bop is indeed on Mortonsound, and the Jungle Brothers is the rare German 7".

mike t-diva, Thursday, 12 April 2018 15:58 (two months ago) Permalink

Britpop/ Britrock stuff does well too: £80 if you have a vinyl copy of the Verve's first album, £35 for Pulp 12" singles etc.

Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Thursday, 12 April 2018 16:25 (two months ago) Permalink

Off the top of my head, '90s LPs that we sold secondhand for big money (i.e £50-£100 and upwards) over recent years at the record shop I worked at included...

Take That - Take That & Party
Spice Girls - can't remember which, but Spiceworld seems to be the bigger collectible on vinyl
Alanis Morissette - Jagged Little Pill
Radiohead - OK Computer

Proving that even multi-million selling status does not preclude LP scarcity from that era. I also recall a copy of Reef's Replenish on LP selling for very good money very quickly, which surprised me as I didn't think their status warranted such value.

brain (krakow), Thursday, 12 April 2018 16:33 (two months ago) Permalink

someone explain this service to me. i'm dumb:

https://www.diggersfactory.com/

scott seward, Thursday, 12 April 2018 16:45 (two months ago) Permalink

I recall it being very hard to find vinyl in the last year or two before being completely wound down (don't remember exactly which year it was). By then the labels wouldn't accept returns of vinyl, so most stores didn't want to stock it. The labels still pressed a very small batch of 45s and LPs to coincide with a record's hoped-for chart run, and that was it. Most record stores in my area had already dropped vinyl completely by then; I had to go to indie shops to find it, and their stocks were limited. I think Tower still had a small vinyl section too, but their stores were a half hour drive away from home. I did buy quite a few now-valuable records during the waning days of the (first?) vinyl era, including the last two krakow mentioned.

Lee626, Thursday, 12 April 2018 17:00 (two months ago) Permalink

xp kickstarter to press a record

brendon urine (diamonddave85), Thursday, 12 April 2018 18:45 (two months ago) Permalink

i remember multiple copies of that Dead Man soundtrack too. oof...

oof indeed. this was my holy grail record til i bought a bootleg now i'm cool

brendon urine (diamonddave85), Thursday, 12 April 2018 18:46 (two months ago) Permalink

Quality control on some domestic 90s Major Label vinyl was pretty iffy. I think I've told this story on here before (maybe even upthread?), but I remember my sister picking Stevie Ray Vaughan's The Sky Is Crying on vinyl (IIRC, it was his last LP to be released on vinyl stateside) on release day in '91. Back home on the turntable the record skipped numerous times, even after changing needles. She took it back the next day to exchange for another copy, but the clerk went through a few others off the rack on their system and they were all fucked the same way.

Fast Forward about 20 years: I'm in another record store with my sister, and we see them attempting to sell a couple sealed The Sky Is Cryings for $75-100* apeice. We look at each other all like "Somebody's gonna get screwed here."

*Checking discogs now, and the cheapest copy from an American dealer is a $60 used VG+ edition.

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 12 April 2018 19:06 (two months ago) Permalink

poor seller doesnt realize he's actually selling mint dogpile

Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 12 April 2018 21:42 (two months ago) Permalink

I've got a bunch of vinyl from that early-to-mid 90s period (Kyuss, various hip-hop rand records, death metal) and the quality is certainly patchy. My copy of Sky Valley sounds heartbreakingly thin and weedy.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Friday, 13 April 2018 15:02 (two months ago) Permalink

No idea what hip-hop rand records was supposed to be. A South African niche, obvs.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Friday, 13 April 2018 15:03 (two months ago) Permalink

I have to say my OG copy of Nevermind, purchased week of release, when I was 16, still sounds heavenly.

Lou Grant, the Iranian cinema of late '70s TV (stevie), Saturday, 14 April 2018 14:47 (two months ago) Permalink

That rules. I have an OG copy that sounds splendid as well.

brimstead, Saturday, 14 April 2018 15:48 (two months ago) Permalink

super jealous of yall. my og cd is no doubt scratched to hell in a landfill somewhere with the liner notes & packaging in another landfill and the plastic case long since shattered into a million fragments.

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 14 April 2018 15:59 (two months ago) Permalink

my OG CD sounds better than the remaster imo, but it still doesn't have "Endless, Nameless" :(

like æ duce says, smell my anvil vapre (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 14 April 2018 16:29 (two months ago) Permalink

woah, there were CDs without Endless Nameless?

Lou Grant, the Iranian cinema of late '70s TV (stevie), Saturday, 14 April 2018 23:15 (two months ago) Permalink

First 50,000 iirc

like æ duce says, smell my anvil vapre (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 14 April 2018 23:43 (two months ago) Permalink

Yeah, theoretically quite valuable.

My 'In Utero' doesn't have that rubbing alcohol track, but hey its rub.

Mark G, Sunday, 15 April 2018 10:18 (two months ago) Permalink

It’s prolly not valuable (there’s 50,000 of them) but it’s cool to have,

like æ duce says, smell my anvil vapre (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 15 April 2018 13:52 (two months ago) Permalink

I got the same when I bought it back then, no bonus track. Not valuable though

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 15 April 2018 13:55 (two months ago) Permalink

I'm always prattling on about this, but the Mobile Fidelity CD of Nevermind sounds amazing.

brimstead, Sunday, 15 April 2018 17:44 (two months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

http://www.businessinsider.com/trntbl-wireless-turntable-review-2018-3

VNYL is back with a new TRNTBL

omar little, Saturday, 19 May 2018 07:42 (one month ago) Permalink

While it calls itself "wireless," technically this term solely refers to the fact that you don't need to mess with analog cables or outputs in order to connect to a speaker. You do still need to plug a cord into the wall to power your turntable.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/87c2a55f05fe4fa12b4730d7201f0f09/tenor.gif?itemid=4384766

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 19 May 2018 08:23 (one month ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Saw these photos on Twitter, laughed really hard.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfLHv27X0AAIiv8.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfLHv2zX4AAAoVZ.jpg

grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 10 June 2018 15:26 (one week ago) Permalink

I don't even know what I'm looking at.

They're using pants hangers to store their records?

(V) (°,,,,°) (V) (Austin), Sunday, 10 June 2018 16:36 (one week ago) Permalink

as a bonus, now you can store all your folded up shirts and pants in your suddenly wide open record shelves

obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Sunday, 10 June 2018 16:40 (one week ago) Permalink

In a shower stall, no less? (xp)

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Sunday, 10 June 2018 16:49 (one week ago) Permalink

(Sorry, guess it’s just a closet; the rod threw me for a sec)

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Sunday, 10 June 2018 16:51 (one week ago) Permalink

Looks like a lifehack invented by someone that's running out of ideas for lifehacks.

Evan, Sunday, 10 June 2018 16:54 (one week ago) Permalink

S O A E S T H E T I C

(V) (°,,,,°) (V) (Austin), Sunday, 10 June 2018 17:24 (one week ago) Permalink

I was actually legit wondering why they didn't hang them with the spines facing out, but then I realized that makes sense and this person is a total fucking lunatic.

(V) (°,,,,°) (V) (Austin), Sunday, 10 June 2018 17:26 (one week ago) Permalink

kinda cringing at what those clips are doing to the record jackets

com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Sunday, 10 June 2018 18:12 (one week ago) Permalink

any adult that has balloons up as a decorative feature needs to have a long hard think about where their life is heading.

mark e, Sunday, 10 June 2018 18:22 (one week ago) Permalink

They look like thrift store records, who cares?

we æt so many shimripl (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 10 June 2018 18:26 (one week ago) Permalink

Also I'm pretty sure those balloons have the logo of Mind, the mental health charity on them. So possibly actually a charity shop. I mean, I still think it's a terrible terrible idea, but...

emil.y, Sunday, 10 June 2018 18:34 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah this is a classic uk charity shop move, pretty sure I saw this in norwich or nottingham or some other place beginning with NO

my old man’s a wasteman (NickB), Sunday, 10 June 2018 19:41 (one week ago) Permalink

appropriately enough

CARL MARKS PRINCIPAL INVESTING AND ADVISORY SERVICES (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 10 June 2018 19:44 (one week ago) Permalink

gotta be honest, that's a lot better than how some thrift stores treat their LP section.

omar little, Sunday, 10 June 2018 20:52 (one week ago) Permalink


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